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Aug 13 03:35:06 <Noone> anyone point me how to use bme replacement ?
Aug 13 03:55:50 <psycho_oreos> Google is your friend.
Aug 13 04:23:40 <Noone> i thought psycho is my friend
Aug 13 04:49:46 <DrCode> hi all
Aug 13 04:49:55 <DrCode> I have problem with chroot and 4Gb image
Aug 13 04:50:16 <DrCode> is it possible to split 4Gb image into 2 x 4Gb image?
Aug 13 04:50:16 <DrCode> so I will have more space?
Aug 13 04:51:48 <psycho_oreos> yes
Aug 13 04:54:16 <DrCode> hi 
Aug 13 04:54:19 <DrCode> how I can tell chroot to mount two images into one?
Aug 13 04:55:04 <psycho_oreos> two clues: unionfs && overlayfs
Aug 13 04:55:20 <bef0rd> maemo kernel supports unionfs?
Aug 13 04:55:52 <DrCode> ?
Aug 13 04:56:00 <DrCode> psycho_oreos, chroot?
Aug 13 04:56:18 <psycho_oreos> there is another way. Read both topics first then you get the hint.
Aug 13 04:56:30 <freemangordon> bef0rd: KP has a module for unionfs iirc
Aug 13 04:57:08 <DrCode> psycho_oreos, U mean for chroot?
Aug 13 05:02:20 <DrCode> I want to split 4Gb image (chroot) into two 4Gb images 
Aug 13 05:02:32 <DrCode> but I want to be able to mount both images in chroot
Aug 13 05:02:41 <bef0rd> freemangordon: ah right, always forget about KP :)
Aug 13 05:07:20 <psycho_oreos> FYI, 2 x 4GB != 4GB.
Aug 13 05:07:50 <DrCode> yes
Aug 13 05:07:50 <DrCode> I downloaded chroot image
Aug 13 05:08:14 <DrCode> I can copy 4Gb image into 2 x 4Gb 
Aug 13 05:08:33 <DrCode> I can delete users folder in one image 
Aug 13 05:08:41 <DrCode> and other folders in other image
Aug 13 05:09:15 <DrCode> now I want chroot to mount user folder that it in one image and other folders that is in other iamge
Aug 13 05:09:16 <DrCode> image
Aug 13 05:09:21 <psycho_oreos> You can easily create your own blank chroot image without having to download 4GB, mount it, delete the contents, etc.
Aug 13 05:09:24 <DrCode> so I will get 2 images into one
Aug 13 05:09:38 <DrCode> yes
Aug 13 05:09:43 <DrCode> but how can I tell chroot to mount both images?
Aug 13 05:10:05 <psycho_oreos> By learning how mount works.
Aug 13 05:11:06 <DrCode> I can do it from .chroot file?
Aug 13 05:11:10 <psycho_oreos> Even better how the whole rootfs (/) is organised under unix/linux.
Aug 13 05:11:14 <DrCode> or I will have to make changes in chroot script?
Aug 13 05:11:37 <DrCode> I did it with busybox in android
Aug 13 05:11:43 <DrCode> I want to do the same in maemo
Aug 13 05:11:58 <psycho_oreos> Whichever does the actual mounting, think about it.
Aug 13 05:12:20 <DrCode> ok
Aug 13 05:12:55 <DrCode> .chroot file have this option?
Aug 13 06:09:32 <Pali> ~bme-replacement
Aug 13 06:09:32 <infobot> it has been said that bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement  http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html  See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!
Aug 13 06:10:07 <Pali> ~bme-replacment
Aug 13 06:10:16 <Pali> ~bme-replacement
Aug 13 06:10:16 <infobot> well, bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement  http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html  See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!
Aug 13 07:04:07 <LauRoman> is there some downside of having cssu and cssu-t repos enabled at the same time if i have cssu-t installed?
Aug 13 07:10:23 <psycho_oreos> Doubt it but "why" begs the question.
Aug 13 07:11:41 <LauRoman> i enabled by accident then i saw there are a few libqtm packages that show as updates that are from the stable cssu :)
Aug 13 07:16:29 <psycho_oreos> Those updates could most likely be part of CSSU-Testing, or at least were. According to my apt-cache output, there are three versions one being the stock one, one being cssu updated/patched variant and the last being the thumb compiled variant.
Aug 13 07:16:29 <LauRoman> it's even funnier that they only advertise themselves as updates in ham and not fapman, i have just enabled cssu-s in fapman too but they don't appear there
Aug 13 07:17:22 <LauRoman> they are not part of testing, as they disappear if i disable cssu-s repo
Aug 13 07:17:42 <LauRoman> so cssu-s seems to have a high/newer version of some files
Aug 13 07:18:11 <lrtz> anyone noticed youtube clients (like ytube) not working with cssu? I suspect the 720p video recording could be related to this
Aug 13 07:20:08 <psycho_oreos> Which versions did you see just curiously? mine shows: libqtm-bearer_1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1 for the CSSU updated variant.
Aug 13 07:21:36 <LauRoman> i'll check in a min
Aug 13 07:21:51 <psycho_oreos> cutetube is working fine on my end though I have thumb enabled (if that's any relevant).
Aug 13 07:22:09 <LauRoman> lrtz latest cutetube (not cutetube-qml) updated yesterday works fine
Aug 13 07:23:36 <lrtz> unstable or testing?
Aug 13 07:24:13 <lrtz> is testing even maintained anymore? :p
Aug 13 07:24:25 <Lava_Croft> since a short while, promotion works again
Aug 13 07:24:41 <Lava_Croft> so packages can get promoted from -devel to -testing again
Aug 13 07:27:14 <LauRoman> psycho_oreos, now i payed more attentions and it seems to be the same version, the one i have installed from cssu-t and the one being advertised are both libqtm-bearer 1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1
Aug 13 07:29:21 <LauRoman> but the one advertised is from cssu-s :)
Aug 13 07:29:30 <LauRoman> that's some weird behaviour
Aug 13 07:30:00 <psycho_oreos> LauRoman, I'm guessing those libqtm updates were once in CSSU-T have now been promoted to CSSU-S. Regardless if they were or weren't in CSSU-T they will most likely reside in CSSU-S (provided that they are stable).
Aug 13 07:30:17 <psycho_oreos> It could be something to do with priority.
Aug 13 07:31:34 <LauRoman> i'm just gonna disable cssu-s, not think about this and pay more attention to what i enable in the future :)
Aug 13 07:32:25 <LauRoman> lrtz i hade extras extras-testing and extras-devel enabled when i updated cutetube (note cutetube-qml) and the version is 1.7.9
Aug 13 07:32:37 <LauRoman> not*
Aug 13 07:33:06 <psycho_oreos> Strange, latest one for me is 1.7.3
Aug 13 07:33:14 <psycho_oreos> re: cutetube
Aug 13 07:35:44 <LauRoman> it appears that it is in extras-devel
Aug 13 07:36:08 <LauRoman> i usually keep devel disable except when i install a package or two
Aug 13 07:36:49 <LauRoman> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/cutetube/1.7.9/
Aug 13 07:37:02 <psycho_oreos> I have extras-devel disabled in HAM but not fapman. It's probably also been awhile since I last used fapman as well.
Aug 13 07:38:07 <LauRoman> psycho_oreos, that's the usual way i have things set up i install stuff from fapman (only apps and their dependencies) and keep the system updated from ham, i never update the system from fapman
Aug 13 07:38:34 <LauRoman> and i have devel and similar repos disabled in ham
Aug 13 07:38:56 <psycho_oreos> Yeah HAM is way too slow for having extras-devel enabled.
Aug 13 08:02:29 <psycho_oreos> Bit of a shame that qmltube has been left to stagnate.
Aug 13 08:31:10 <psycho_oreos> Hmm massive lag, unsure what may have caused hildon-home to be using most of the CPU. Had nowplayingd not showing music title and music artist. Had HAM, fapman, cute-explorer running from memory, even browserd seemed to lag.
Aug 13 09:04:37 <Lava_Croft> dont use extras-devel, but use merlin's devel-light
Aug 13 09:04:47 <Lava_Croft> http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/
Aug 13 09:05:01 <Lava_Croft> its synced daily to rmo
Aug 13 09:09:25 <kerio> and supports diffindex!
Aug 13 09:09:25 <kerio> and supports diffindex!
Aug 13 09:09:29 <kerio> whoops
Aug 13 11:10:35 <n900-dk> anyone with the dark flyby startup video? I'm not able to download it from http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/shar...id_lame_r1.avi
Aug 13 11:32:18 <psycho_oreos> n900-dk, I think I have the one you are talking about. Trying to find a decent file hoster but its becoming increasingly frustrating for me to find one.
Aug 13 11:34:07 <psycho_oreos> Oh wait.. that's r1, I have r3 here.
Aug 13 11:35:25 <psycho_oreos> n900-dk, http://files.fm/u/idqvuup 
Aug 13 11:41:50 <n900-dk> psycho_oreos: Thank you so much!
Aug 13 11:42:32 <psycho_oreos> n900-dk, was that the correct video you were after? I did notice the link you pasted ended in r1. The one I had was r3.
Aug 13 11:46:41 <trx> there is this too http://files.fm/u/koqwpec
Aug 13 11:47:06 <trx> cant remember where i got it from
Aug 13 11:49:41 <psycho_oreos> Sometimes by googling with the original filename you may get the source.
Aug 13 11:50:15 <psycho_oreos> I have found the source of mine except it seems like the actual host is down and it doesn't seem like anyone else is hosting the dark theme. Mine is the flyby variant.
Aug 13 11:50:39 <n900-dk> do we have a flyby variant with no sound?
Aug 13 11:52:21 <psycho_oreos> Not I but you could probably re-encode it without sound if you wish.
Aug 13 11:54:10 <n900-dk> yes, I might do so
Aug 13 12:00:06 <psycho_oreos> http://www.quadronyx.org/mirror/maemo/boot_videos/
Aug 13 12:00:17 <psycho_oreos> There's r1.avi file there.
Aug 13 12:30:00 <n900-dk> thanks
Aug 13 14:02:47 <LjL-Alps> wow, so cool to see a thread where someone compares a 2005 device to a 2009 device and everyone else flames the 2005 device, or whatever
Aug 13 15:16:39 <kerio> damn, the n900 loses 10 seconds every couple of days :s
Aug 13 15:29:07 <quackquack> did anyone try to rip the omap3430 chip and then trace the pads for jtag on a FUBAR dead board?
Aug 13 15:29:33 <quackquack> that way we can have 100% positive results for jtag.
Aug 13 15:30:12 <quackquack> just an idea. because we can then measure the electrical characteristics and also the continuity and jtag can/could have been found.
Aug 13 15:31:55 <quackquack> now all i need is a completely dead board so i can rip the cpu and trace the pads....
Aug 13 16:40:04 <SAiF> good night..   Anyone seen Doc?
Aug 13 16:40:31 <SAiF> ~Docscrutinizer05
Aug 13 16:40:32 <infobot> methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Aug 13 16:41:09 <SAiF> ~where is Docscrutinizer05
Aug 13 16:41:11 <infobot> it has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Aug 13 16:41:45 <SAiF> ~haha.. I know i know.. atleast you are talking..
Aug 13 16:41:45 <infobot> that's too long, SAiF
Aug 13 16:42:44 <sixwheeledbeast> SAiF: you need "~seen fooperson"
Aug 13 16:45:46 <Guest93169> haha...
Aug 13 16:46:25 <Guest93169> ~seen fooperson?
Aug 13 16:46:29 <infobot> i haven't seen 'fooperson', Guest93169
Aug 13 16:47:13 <Saif> I think I was kicked out..
Aug 13 16:47:30 <Saif> ~seen sixwheeledbeast
Aug 13 16:47:31 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast is currently on #maemo (5h 58m 50s) #maemo-ssu (5h 58m 50s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 4m 48s, last said: 'SAiF: you need "~seen fooperson"'.
Aug 13 16:47:57 <Saif> ~seen Docsrutinizer05
Aug 13 16:47:58 <infobot> i haven't seen 'docsrutinizer05', Saif
Aug 13 16:48:17 <Saif> ~what you mean you havent seen?
Aug 13 16:49:04 <Saif> infobot is dead. RIP..
Aug 13 16:49:21 <Wizzup> ~seen Docscrutinizer05
Aug 13 16:49:22 <infobot> docscrutinizer05 is currently on #n9 (5h 59m 56s) #harmattan (5h 59m 56s) #meego (5h 59m 56s) #openmoko (5h 59m 56s) #infobot (5h 59m 56s) #openmoko-cdevel (5h 59m 56s), last said: 'TimRiker: ^^^ wasn't there a major issue with "scheduler"?'.
Aug 13 16:50:13 <Saif> oops
Aug 13 16:50:42 <Saif> I cant see any difference.
Aug 13 16:51:11 <Saif> ~seen Saif
Aug 13 16:51:13 <infobot> saif is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Saif'.
Aug 13 16:52:08 <Wizzup> Saif: docSCR
Aug 13 16:52:13 <Wizzup> You write docSR
Aug 13 16:52:36 <Saif> ~seen docSR
Aug 13 16:52:37 <infobot> Saif: i haven't seen 'docsr'
Aug 13 16:52:52 <Saif> okay 
Aug 13 16:52:54 <Saif> I got it
Aug 13 16:53:01 <Saif> bad eye.. hahaha
Aug 13 16:53:45 <Saif> wizzup goodnight 
Aug 13 16:54:02 <Wizzup> bye
Aug 13 16:54:23 <Saif> ~infobot good night (UGT) 
Aug 13 16:54:24 <infobot> Good night (UGT), good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry!
Aug 13 17:48:38 <miniyo> guys, is Stale NFS file handle a bad sign on my emmc ?
Aug 13 17:49:06 <miniyo> I'm having that message lately, I've restored full system twice, and still get it after some days
Aug 13 18:53:38 <ShadowJK> by restore you mean?
Aug 13 19:04:25 <miniyo> ShadowJK: I mean, mkfs.ext3 home and 'rsync --delete root n900:/root', and rsync home also
Aug 13 19:41:35 <NIN101> how to set fact info again?  
Aug 13 19:41:37 <NIN101> ~rescueOS is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Aug 13 19:41:37 <infobot> ...but rescueos is already something else...
Aug 13 20:00:41 <Pali> WHY ON THE EARTH GMAIL STORING MY SENT EMAILS TO SPAM FOLDER?????
Aug 13 20:01:28 <Pali> this is not funny anymore...
Aug 13 21:15:34 <ShadowJK> miniyo; and it's on /home partition you get issues?
Aug 13 22:44:48 <definity> s
Aug 13 22:45:36 <definity> When i install gcc4.6 i cant find the binary, where is it>
Aug 14 01:46:48 <qwerty123> hii can we boot dsl from usd with uboot?or multiboot mayb?
Aug 14 01:55:12 <qwerty123> never mind, just realised its nt for arm!! 
Aug 14 02:00:38 <qwerty123> well, maybe tinycorelinux then!! :P
Aug 14 02:07:57 <robbiethe1st> Wait, why do you want to?
Aug 14 02:08:14 <robbiethe1st> You can strip down Maemo as much as you want, if you don't need X...
Aug 14 02:10:35 <qwerty123> i was just looking for lowest resource eater distros!! came across them!! thought, maybe with n900 hardware, i may have a very smooth linux machine!! dats y!! :P nothing els!! :P
Aug 14 02:11:23 <robbiethe1st> Thing is, how much are you wiling to give up?
Aug 14 02:11:26 <qwerty123> we cant kick X.. kills all the gui?? maemo shudn boot then i believe!!
Aug 14 02:11:41 <robbiethe1st> Well, no... you'd have a command line
Aug 14 02:11:48 <qwerty123> agreed!! :)
Aug 14 02:12:11 <robbiethe1st> with power kernel it's definitely possible to get a proper command line only setup running, which obviously has no real resource use...
Aug 14 02:12:21 <qwerty123> stopping xorg,end in reboot!! removing should end in reboot loop :P
Aug 14 02:13:14 <robbiethe1st> No, you wouldn't stop or remove it, you'd not start it. Of course, you couldn't allow the various other components to start either, so you'd basically have to start from init or so... see bootmenu
Aug 14 02:14:15 <robbiethe1st> You can easily configure a menu item which will allow you to run a script. At that point, you'll need to deal with the watch dog timers, make sure they don't time out, and then load whatever modules you need, drop to a shelll
Aug 14 02:14:26 <robbiethe1st> See Backupmenu for details of this
Aug 14 02:15:24 <qwerty123> recovery console sounds easier!! :P
Aug 14 02:15:44 <robbiethe1st> It depends on what you want...
Aug 14 02:16:21 <robbiethe1st> See, with the method I've described, you'll boot "into" your maemo system, just not all the way. so all the files/kernel modules etc. will all be there
Aug 14 02:17:17 <robbiethe1st> you can then do your own launching etc. Might even be able to boot 'into' a debian chroot, run lightweight X etc?
Aug 14 02:18:17 <qwerty123> yeah kinda got that!! neways i somehow managed to mess my easydeb so was lookkng fr a replacement!! but killing gui is actually going too far :P hehe! thanx man for the info,btw!!
Aug 14 02:34:09 <SAiF> boot looping after battery drain..
Aug 14 02:41:06 <SAiF> last thing was apt-get install SSH
Aug 14 02:41:22 <robbiethe1st> Do you have backupmenu?
Aug 14 02:41:29 <robbiethe1st> If not, you're kind of out of luck
Aug 14 02:41:43 <robbiethe1st> (or rescue console etc)
Aug 14 02:42:05 <SAiF> No.. so I am kinda fscked up.
Aug 14 02:42:33 <robbiethe1st> Yup.
Aug 14 02:43:09 <robbiethe1st> When you wipe it, so long as you just do the main image(and not the eMMC one), you won't lose your MyDocs files
Aug 14 02:43:14 <robbiethe1st> Just your apps and such
Aug 14 02:44:32 <SAiF> Yeah I always take backup of mydocs.. I am I will have to flash it twice in a month.
Aug 14 02:44:46 <SAiF> by the way whats wrong with SSH?
Aug 14 02:50:09 <robbiethe1st> No clue
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