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Aug 23 03:44:27 <DocScrutinizer05> robbiethe1st: yep. confirmed
Aug 23 03:44:56 <robbiethe1st> Do you know what wavelength of light it produces?
Aug 23 03:45:54 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, alas not. But I'm worried I seem to have lost my IR sight
Aug 23 03:47:03 <DocScrutinizer05> while I recall I've seen IR LEDs in the past, I seem incapable to see this one
Aug 23 03:48:14 <robbiethe1st> I'd never noticed it before
Aug 23 03:48:39 <robbiethe1st> But it was A, in the dark, after my eyes had adjusted to near-pitch-black for a few minutes
Aug 23 03:48:59 <robbiethe1st> (reading ebooks on my N900 at 2 brightness, and a minute or so staring off into the night
Aug 23 03:51:29 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10901 sounds somehow like it might be that component
Aug 23 04:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> or this one? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SFH 7741-Z/475-2663-1-ND/1893865?cur=USD
Aug 23 04:07:32 <ecc3g> there are tons of IR wavelengths, I think there are two common IR wavelengths though.  One is just outside of red, which is barely visible.  The other is way out and nobody can see it.
Aug 23 04:13:43 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/23/plasma-desktopGV3743.png
Aug 23 04:14:28 <DocScrutinizer05> yup, wasn't that 830 and 880nm?
Aug 23 04:16:42 <ecc3g> I guess mr.google says 850 and a 950-ish range.  I guess the upper range ones is not precise
Aug 23 04:17:51 <ecc3g> thought they were different.  the 850 one makes sense because they're used to make blue lasers.  The upper one I thought was closer to 1000nm but it wasn't the case (to make green lasers)
Aug 23 04:24:26 <DocScrutinizer05> err yep, 880 and 950
Aug 23 04:25:14 <robbiethe1st> Aarrrgghhh!
Aug 23 04:25:48 <robbiethe1st> I almost gave ubuntu credit. I finally got Ubuntu Mobile installed on my nexus 7 tablet. It works surprisingly smoothly
Aug 23 04:26:03 <robbiethe1st> I've got a terminal, large repo, etc. Yay!
Aug 23 04:26:16 <robbiethe1st> I install Openjdk, get it installed, it all works.
Aug 23 04:26:26 <robbiethe1st> I go to try to run a java app, and oh, wait, no X11.
Aug 23 04:26:59 <robbiethe1st> I wouldn't care so much if they provided a compatibility layer, but as it is now, it's worse than Cyannogen mod.
Aug 23 04:27:10 <robbiethe1st> Tomorrow, plasma active time. we'll see if they can do better.
Aug 23 04:27:30 <robbiethe1st> Damnit, I /will/ get Runescape to run natively on my Nexus 7!
Aug 23 04:28:03 <robbiethe1st> (I will point out that it runs on my N900, so something that is many times as powerful should be able to run it.
Aug 23 04:28:28 <DocScrutinizer05> lol, tell stskeeps and jolla about your thoughts regarding non-X11 platforms
Aug 23 04:30:30 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui they opted for wayland since that allows to run HD-video ... . . .oO(whatever THATS worth for, on a 4" screen)
Aug 23 04:31:03 <DocScrutinizer05> but wayland is THE FUTURE, oh my :-x
Aug 23 04:36:00 <DocScrutinizer05> "use QML and you'll not even notice it's no X11!" tzzzzzz
Aug 23 05:03:50 <Macer> hm
Aug 23 05:03:56 <Macer> i disabled js in microb
Aug 23 05:04:02 <Macer> works great now! heh
Aug 23 05:09:04 <Macer> omg why does the default app manager have to suck so much? heh
Aug 23 05:09:22 <Macer> i wish the other one was the default. have there been any talks to replace it?
Aug 23 05:14:01 <Macer> lieke the way it randomly updates stuff
Aug 23 05:14:29 <Macer> i just wanted to check which repos were activated so in order to do that it has to "check for updates" then go on its 20 min db update
Aug 23 06:58:51 <discopig> usb port broke on my n900 :(
Aug 23 06:58:54 <discopig> and i've been so careful with it
Aug 23 06:59:01 <discopig> i even sanded off the teeth on the usb cables
Aug 23 06:59:06 <discopig> so it would slide in and out without any effort
Aug 23 06:59:35 <discopig> i have a motherboard with a working usb port so i'd just need to switch it out but i still dont get how this broke
Aug 23 07:05:53 <discopig> is there any way to solder the port back on after it fell off?
Aug 23 09:32:11 <ShadowJK> I imagine sideways forces are more of a concern than the insertion and removal force
Aug 23 09:44:57 <Iridos> on related news, I soldered my n900 usb port-casing to the board last weekend \o/ 
Aug 23 09:45:33 <Iridos> but seems it was just a big coincidence that 3 or so external chargers stopped working [with the N900]
Aug 23 09:46:15 <Iridos> what's weird, one charger still works with other devices, but not with the N900... the N900 does detect when I plug it out, too... then the screen goes on... but it never goes into a charging state
Aug 23 09:58:56 <discopig> hi
Aug 23 09:59:04 <discopig> yeah ShadowJK 
Aug 23 09:59:07 <discopig> i've been really careful though
Aug 23 09:59:24 <discopig> but yeah i have another motherboard until i can get around to getting a soldering iron and fixing the broken one
Aug 23 09:59:41 <discopig> i just disassembled it and switched it out 1h ago
Aug 23 10:00:02 <discopig> Iridos, i had the same issue
Aug 23 10:00:07 <discopig> it means your microusb port is about to fall off
Aug 23 10:00:29 <discopig> it means some of the pins are already not touching anymore, so it's messing it up
Aug 23 10:01:30 <discopig> it's really a shame there is still no good n900 replacement in 2013 :/
Aug 23 10:01:51 <discopig> i'm going to end up using that n900 until it completely breaks down
Aug 23 10:11:59 <Iridos> discopig, dunno... other charger now worked fine with it... seems at least the original nokia charger is really broken (but I cannot really test it, as I surprisingly don't have any other micro-usb-charged device in reach)
Aug 23 10:12:21 <discopig> weird
Aug 23 10:12:29 <discopig> yeah
Aug 23 10:12:41 <Iridos> and charging with the computer also works 
Aug 23 10:12:43 <Iridos> dunno
Aug 23 10:13:13 <korhojoa> "magic"
Aug 23 10:13:16 <Iridos> I first thought that charging with a charger is just different, as that probably doesn't do the full usb protocol thing but takes some kind of shortcut
Aug 23 10:13:31 <Iridos> but then still either all chargers should work or none... *shrug*
Aug 23 10:13:36 <Iridos> korhojoa, "more magic"!
Aug 23 10:13:56 <korhojoa> :D nice reference.
Aug 23 10:14:21 <Iridos> ha, you know that one? :)
Aug 23 10:14:29 <Iridos> thought I was the only one who still knew that
Aug 23 10:14:54 <korhojoa> people don't read the jargon file anymore?
Aug 23 10:15:02 <Iridos> was just searching for it to give the reference (http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html) because I thought nobody knows about it
Aug 23 10:15:21 <Iridos> I actually read the story in a book. on paper. in the 90ies.
Aug 23 10:25:06 <discopig> well since my filed down charger broke my n900s usb port i'm going to file it more
Aug 23 10:25:08 <discopig> and make it so it's really loose
Aug 23 10:25:15 <discopig> and doesnt put any pressure either sideways or any way
Aug 23 10:25:41 <discopig> so it will just fall out instead of putting any pressure
Aug 23 10:27:12 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: i did a wifi scan, i got *two* networks
Aug 23 10:27:21 <kerio> so yeah, i think the hardware just can't keep up: http://i.imgur.com/ANQJ8f5.png
Aug 23 11:56:42 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, that picture doesn't help much
Aug 23 11:58:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't have kismac so don't know the meaning of the cols "A..." "S..." whatever. And even if I knnew, I still can't tell what all those stations are without looking at mac/SSID. Odds are they might be clients of maybe 3 AP
Aug 23 11:59:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the used-channel distribution suggests that as well
Aug 23 12:02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I also had situations where I could *detect* ~30 APs, but only maybe 2 or 3 were offered to conect to. This usually is caused by the other ones simply having an abysmal S/N-ratio, caused by one nearby transmitter (often not even a AP) simply polluting the whole WLAN band
Aug 23 13:14:50 <Macer> hm
Aug 23 13:15:11 <Macer> there has to be something messed up somewhere with microb. i dont remember it ever being this bad
Aug 23 13:15:38 <Macer> it runs for a while then for whatever reason cpu maxes out and i keep getting the close dialogue
Aug 23 13:15:56 <Macer> it eventually starts working again but it happens over and over
Aug 23 13:16:23 <ecc3g> i wish web devs stop writing inefficient javascript...
Aug 23 13:16:32 <Macer> i disabled js
Aug 23 13:16:35 <Macer> still does it
Aug 23 13:16:53 <Macer> thought that may be the problem as well
Aug 23 13:17:18 <ecc3g> or other plugins too...
Aug 23 13:19:36 <Macer> yeah i suppose
Aug 23 13:19:50 <Macer> i do have the adblock stuff installed. maybe i will disable those and see what happens later
Aug 23 13:20:01 <Macer> it probably blocks it in a difficult manner
Aug 23 13:25:24 <DocScrutinizer05> adblock is an extreme hog
Aug 23 13:25:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the blocking list is waaaaaay too large, and searching it costs eternities of time
Aug 23 13:27:58 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly for doing stuff like adblock you should consider a client-server or rather proxy concept, with your own or a provider's http proxy server
Aug 23 13:28:39 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway it's a known fact that adblock slows down rather than speed up webbrowsing on embedded devices like N900
Aug 23 13:30:18 <DocScrutinizer05> even with 9.6kbps plain CSD it would take less time to download and render the ads than what adblock takes to check each single GET against that monster of a blocklist
Aug 23 13:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc adblock also hogs RAM which is another reason why stuff comes to a grinding halt when it's enabled
Aug 23 13:45:10 <DocScrutinizer05> weird, nobody missed infobot
Aug 23 13:45:26 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Aug 23 13:46:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Aug 23 13:46:16 <infobot> - Uptime for purl -
Aug 23 13:46:16 <infobot> Now: 2m 16s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Aug 23 13:46:17 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Aug 23 13:46:17 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Aug 23 13:46:17 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Aug 23 13:49:53 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: can you also invite to alternatives ?
Aug 23 13:50:14 <drathir> or not needed ?
Aug 23 13:50:17 <DocScrutinizer05> drathir: sorry?
Aug 23 13:50:47 <drathir> missing info boot too there...
Aug 23 13:50:57 <drathir> !ping
Aug 23 13:51:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ping
Aug 23 13:51:03 <infobot> ~pong
Aug 23 14:28:10 <sixwheeledbeast> Win7Mac: I have made Maemo Weekly News wiki page "registered users only" due to excessive vandalism. This must be 4/5 times we have rolledback now.
Aug 23 14:39:39 <Win7Mac> sixwheeledbeast, good, didn't even know this was possible
Aug 23 14:41:17 <sixwheeledbeast> see wiki logs ;) protect is in the column on the right :)
Aug 23 14:42:49 <sixwheeledbeast> Use sparingly on pages that have excessive issues that unregistered users don't need to edit.
Aug 23 14:43:43 <Win7Mac> ok, thanks
Aug 23 15:07:36 <Natanaiel> what is the voice call app name in maemo?
Aug 23 15:08:34 <Pali> Natanaiel: rtcom-call-ui
Aug 23 15:17:30 <Natanaiel> Pali: Is there any place where can I download its source code from?
Aug 23 15:17:44 <Pali> Natanaiel: not it is closed source
Aug 23 15:31:31 <kW_> Hello! Do any N900 successor devices with at least its capabilities (open-source, hardware keyboard, ...) exist?
Aug 23 15:31:55 <kW_> (Maybe the N950, but those devices are not available for purchase...)
Aug 23 15:32:20 <jon_y> kW_: I've been told to get a blackberry :(
Aug 23 15:32:34 <jon_y> it doesn't even run Linux
Aug 23 15:33:12 <drathir> bb is great for main phone...
Aug 23 15:33:37 <jon_y> it doesn't have ssh
Aug 23 15:33:51 <jon_y> or irssi
Aug 23 15:33:56 <jon_y> or gcc
Aug 23 15:34:02 <drathir> have good client
Aug 23 15:34:19 <jon_y> I mean ssh server
Aug 23 15:34:33 <jon_y> with gnu userland and all that
Aug 23 15:34:47 <jon_y> at least apple rooted phones have them the last time I checked
Aug 23 15:34:59 <drathir> http://bbssh.org/ota/
Aug 23 15:35:50 <jon_y> drathir: that's a client
Aug 23 15:35:53 <drathir> oh server yes dont have, but bb need to be a secure phone...
Aug 23 15:36:11 <jon_y> everyone and their mums have ssh clients
Aug 23 15:36:31 <drathir> apple+nsa
Aug 23 15:36:31 <jon_y> you know, you could enable ssh only when you want to connect to it
Aug 23 15:37:11 <jon_y> lack of ssh server isn't related to security
Aug 23 15:37:34 <drathir> bb have bis/bes
Aug 23 15:37:40 <jon_y> so how do you chroot on a BB phone anyway?
Aug 23 15:38:16 <drathir> yes server give acces and security holes not well controled...
Aug 23 15:38:16 <jon_y> the n900 didn't have proper gnuland, so it compensated by allowing chroot
Aug 23 15:38:51 <jon_y> you want an iphone in that case
Aug 23 15:39:17 <jon_y> BIS/BES is already compromised
Aug 23 15:39:34 <jon_y> compromised at the BB end
Aug 23 15:40:57 <drathir> like i say bb is make for security not possible to acces and mess anything... And for main phone is perfect for entertainment use also is good, but for play with phone only n900...  
Aug 23 15:41:31 <jon_y> BB is better used as a door stop, since you can't do anything with it
Aug 23 15:42:00 <jon_y> >entertainment
Aug 23 15:42:10 <jon_y> only if you are into what they call mobile games
Aug 23 15:42:35 <jon_y> I have my wintel desktop for that
Aug 23 15:44:38 <drathir> i find all major apps what i using on symbian... Bb isnt phone to play with it it solid phone to working all the time... If need linux you can simply connect to ssh w/o problems, and not sure also if allow now to port redirection... 
Aug 23 15:45:27 <jon_y> sure, but do not say it is even comparable to the N900
Aug 23 15:45:34 <drathir> jon_y: yea games too, but also music, and movies...
Aug 23 15:45:34 <jon_y> if anything, it is a downgrade
Aug 23 15:46:04 <jon_y> right, N900 can't play music
Aug 23 15:46:33 <drathir> true, that i say for main phone bb for play phone n900.
Aug 23 15:47:19 <jon_y> simply put it, there is no replacement for the N900
Aug 23 15:47:52 <jon_y> all the new phones are all glass, lack SD, and without removable battery
Aug 23 15:48:15 <jon_y> BB phones with hard keyboards come with tiny 2.5" screens
Aug 23 15:48:45 <drathir> i have for main n900 works ok, but time is short and update always is little scary , but all the time without update problems... Now sadly waiting my n900 to fix...
Aug 23 15:51:55 <drathir> jon_y: q10 ?
Aug 23 15:51:58 <drathir> http://m.gsmarena.com/blackberry_q10-5274.php
Aug 23 15:54:33 <drathir> my rip bb was 9300 was great phone... :/
Aug 23 16:28:09 <Lithdk> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1368947
Aug 23 16:37:10 <wnd> I've been told that's the graphics core being used before it's fully initialised. I've had that happen number of times and it seems to be completely harmless. if it bothers you, reboot and let the device "settle" before doing anything.
Aug 23 16:38:33 <Lithdk> Aight thank you
Aug 23 16:40:30 <ShadowJK> It's kinda funny how asus and LG make non-nexus version/clone of the google nexus devices, but add microsdhc. On the other hand, you'll have to suffer vendor crapware/crapgui/crapoverlay instead. 
Aug 23 16:59:22 <WizardNumberNext> Hello. I have advanced-interface-switcher. I think it is the one, which shows switches for 2/3G wifi and bt and. Wifi was including driver selector and bt was including discoverable/connectable switches. Allthougt it is not appearing in status drop-down menu. Any ideas?
Aug 23 16:59:50 <WizardNumberNext> P.S. it is not from extras-devel
Aug 23 17:04:11 <kW_> drathir+jon_y: thank you, so this is also my current state: an N900 isn't replaceable with newer models, even 4 years after the N900 was launched... so I will now buy my 3rd N900 as the hardware breaks after some time...
Aug 23 17:06:25 * ShadowJK is on his fourth N900
Aug 23 17:08:24 <kW_> ShadowJK: what happened to the first 3...?
Aug 23 17:08:43 <ShadowJK> kW_; modem failed
Aug 23 17:12:17 * Luke-Jr hasn't had to switch to his spare yet
Aug 23 17:12:22 <Luke-Jr> although I never use it anymore
Aug 23 17:12:56 <ShadowJK> I use mine daily, ircing on it now
Aug 23 17:12:56 <Luke-Jr> now it just sits at my colo as a backup internet link -.-
Aug 23 17:13:07 <Luke-Jr> I basically never leave home <.<
Aug 23 17:13:42 <ShadowJK> lol
Aug 23 17:14:02 <ShadowJK> My old Nokia E70 and E75 sit at home as backup internet links :)
Aug 23 17:15:41 <drathir> Bmine exclude usb work perfect... 
Aug 23 17:19:29 <sixwheeledbeast> ShadowJK: I have three and still on my first using as daily "business" phone ;)
Aug 23 17:21:23 <sixwheeledbeast> main ribbon had died but it's still good :)
Aug 23 19:47:46 <HtheB> moo
Aug 23 19:48:57 <sixwheeledbeast> this channel has super cow powers :)
Aug 23 19:49:32 <HtheB> moo I said....
Aug 23 19:49:39 * HtheB is a Brahmin
Aug 23 19:52:34 <HtheB> http://static.giantbomb.com/api/image/scale_medium/445752-herdofwildbrahmin.jpg
Aug 23 19:53:06 <HtheB> fallout ftw
Aug 23 20:23:00 <WizardNumberNext> sixwheeledbeast, everybody is scared of super cow powers - do not mention it ;)
Aug 23 20:24:38 <WizardNumberNext> btw where is bleeding edge wifi module for kp52? on kp51 I didn't have to download it?
Aug 23 22:11:29 <discopig> WizardNumberNext, still here?
Aug 23 22:11:51 <discopig> cd /opt/packet-injection-modules/2.6.28.10-power52/
Aug 23 22:11:53 <discopig> it's al in there
Aug 23 22:11:56 <discopig> comes with the kernel by default
Aug 23 23:45:14 <jon_y> drathir: q10 has a tiny screen
Aug 23 23:45:38 <jon_y> BB is either bigscreen/no keyboard
Aug 23 23:45:51 <jon_y> or tinyscreen perma keyboard
Aug 24 00:55:10 <Macer> yeah
Aug 24 00:55:16 <Macer> it was the ad blocker
Aug 24 02:24:08 <DocScrutinizer05> toldya
Aug 24 02:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Aug 24 02:24:30 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Aug 24 02:25:38 <DHR> need it for n800
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