**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 29 02:59:58 2013 Aug 29 04:35:05 nice to see the exchange support works with the n900 and outlook.com Aug 29 04:35:36 calendar sync and all heh Aug 29 05:17:22 out of curiosity, how annoying is it to open the case? Aug 29 05:17:33 since it's suggested that you properly solder the USB connection into place on the wiki Aug 29 05:21:20 not difficult at all Aug 29 05:21:45 you can probably do it with your fingernail Aug 29 05:22:03 Macer: not just opening the back Aug 29 05:22:05 at least I think Aug 29 05:22:35 i cant remember exactly how i did it but it was fairly easy Aug 29 05:22:40 hmm, looks like after opening up the back of the case it's just 4 small philips heads Aug 29 05:22:58 only thing to look out for was the cam module Aug 29 05:23:17 i believe you have to unstick it from the board Aug 29 05:23:40 mine fell off on my first n900 Aug 29 05:23:46 it was a sad sad day heh Aug 29 05:23:53 i'm on n900 #3 Aug 29 05:24:06 I'm on my first, received today :) Aug 29 05:24:11 Had my eye on one for years, though Aug 29 05:24:21 they are rather cheap nowadays Aug 29 05:24:25 mhm Aug 29 05:24:30 and my other phone had died Aug 29 05:24:34 so n900 Aug 29 05:24:35 Welcome to the club Tekk Aug 29 05:24:48 thanks Aug 29 05:25:11 the n900 is sometimes the device you hate to love heh Aug 29 05:25:21 how good's the n900 as far as self-hosting? Aug 29 05:25:33 self-hosting a dev environment* Aug 29 05:25:33 i have an e7 as a backup in case this one breaks Aug 29 05:25:51 I figure if I can get host mode working I might be able to hook up a keyboard, throw something together Aug 29 05:25:55 difficult i believe but you would have to ask the devs here if one pops up Aug 29 05:26:05 maybe a mediagoblin app Aug 29 05:26:09 since I'm going on vacation soon Aug 29 05:26:17 you can always hook up a bt kb Aug 29 05:26:19 heh Aug 29 05:26:26 or Aug 29 05:26:27 don't have anything bt, actually Aug 29 05:26:31 use sshd on it Aug 29 05:26:38 now that's an idea... Aug 29 05:26:39 and ssh into it Aug 29 05:26:57 the pkg is in the repo Aug 29 05:27:07 you should at least update to cssu stable ;) Aug 29 05:27:12 yep, already on cssu Aug 29 05:27:17 and power kernel Aug 29 05:27:37 but now my battery is dead, so I guess sshd has to wait :P Aug 29 05:27:39 if youre going to dev... take over the sociality app Aug 29 05:27:41 lol Aug 29 05:27:57 battery life is pretty impressive on this, for how old it is Aug 29 05:27:58 and make it function perfectly :-D Aug 29 05:28:05 yah Aug 29 05:28:12 especially since it really multitasks Aug 29 05:28:16 I mean, 4 year old phone, I was messing with it constantly for probably 7 hours Aug 29 05:28:24 not the awkward method the rest do Aug 29 05:28:25 with a lot of updating in package manager Aug 29 05:28:51 idle it lasts forever Aug 29 05:28:53 days heh Aug 29 05:29:11 the guys here really managed to make it sip power Aug 29 05:29:16 Tekk_: 4 Ph, 2 Tx Aug 29 05:29:31 and be damn careful with the flat ribbon cable Aug 29 05:30:06 you better watch some movies and read the service manual L1_2 Aug 29 05:30:39 youtube has zillions of "disassembling N900" videos Aug 29 05:30:44 DocScrutinizer05: it's an eventual thing for me Aug 29 05:31:00 I don't trust myself enough with a soldering iron yet to touch my new toy that I've been waiting years for :P Aug 29 05:31:26 lol. it is brand new. unless you do something horrible to the port im sure it will be fine for a while Aug 29 05:31:38 if it is even in jeopardy at all Aug 29 05:31:45 not all were doing it Aug 29 05:31:50 nah, as far as I know it seems new Aug 29 05:32:02 a few tiny scratches on the screen, but a transatlantic ship will do that Aug 29 05:35:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8 Aug 29 05:35:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA82LYF64es Aug 29 05:36:14 thanks Aug 29 05:36:53 step14 ff are nonsense Aug 29 05:37:28 Doc, pls link to the L1 and L2 service manual, Aug 29 05:39:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7JjvnPNMH0 Aug 29 05:39:52 this helps to re-assemble ;-D Aug 29 05:41:31 not for nothing the lumia 1020 is a ver pretty looking device Aug 29 05:41:39 too bad it is only att heh Aug 29 05:43:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j7JjvnPNMH0#t=307 is critical! Aug 29 05:43:08 i wonder if they ever even bothered releasing wp7.8 for the 900 Aug 29 05:45:53 SAiF: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Aug 29 09:26:27 mmh, does rescueOS work for you? Aug 29 10:39:52 does rescueOS 1.1 work for anyone? Aug 29 10:39:58 i get a missing library to run /bin/sh Aug 29 10:40:04 ~seen nin101 Aug 29 10:40:07 nin101 <~NIN@p57B9E936.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 14h 24m 48s ago, saying: 'hardfalcon1: ResecueOS != meego rescue initrd.'. Aug 29 10:45:24 ~rescueos Aug 29 10:45:24 rumour has it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/, or http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 29 10:45:31 seriously though, did *anyone* try it? Aug 29 10:50:05 DocScrutinizer05: iwlist scan doesn't do anything in rescueOS Aug 29 10:50:09 is my wifi broken? Aug 29 10:50:11 what the fuck Aug 29 10:57:46 Da fuq? Aug 29 10:59:17 now i removed the battery, i'll wait like 10 minutes for everything to reset i guess Aug 29 10:59:32 (btw: rescueos 1.1 is broken) Aug 29 11:01:10 k Aug 29 11:43:02 oh wow, BatteryGraph is non-free, never noticed before Aug 29 12:53:22 A gambling website's favorite as Microsoft Corp.'s next chief executive officer is Stephen Elop, the Nokia CEO who has presided over a 62 percent decline in market value. Elop, a former Microsoft executive, has 5-to-1 odds to be hired as Steve Ballmer's replacement, according to Ladbrokes, the U.K.-based gambling operator. He leads a pool including internal candidates Kevin Turner and Julie Larson-Green and outsiders. Aug 29 12:53:52 ELOP! ELOP! ELOP! ELOP! Aug 29 13:05:58 hi Aug 29 13:06:15 N900 user since Aug2010 :D Aug 29 13:06:39 very excited about the new upgrade :) Aug 29 13:07:00 even after flashing incoming call display is not working in portrait mode.. Aug 29 13:07:00 \o Aug 29 13:07:23 Guest17626, casted vote? Aug 29 13:07:51 yes 450, but that was before i read all the thread Aug 29 13:08:06 I would go higher Aug 29 13:08:55 :) Aug 29 13:10:52 and how would I know the kp version I installed.. Aug 29 13:16:06 via your app manager/installer.. or uname in cli (i think) Aug 29 13:22:48 RST38h: Aww - you beat me. Aug 29 13:23:10 RST38h: Well - surface is clearly one sort of platform that can burn Aug 29 13:23:57 Guest17626: >=700? Aug 29 13:27:44 most fun comment - QWOP seems to be a better choice than Elop. Aug 29 13:29:03 Hehe Aug 29 13:37:06 SpeedEvil: I hope they just all jump into the cold wet water, like fucking rats following the piper, and drown Aug 29 13:37:22 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 29 13:37:57 The world will be a better place without Microsoft "technologies" Aug 29 13:50:16 kerio: I don't know. Is your rescueOS broken maybe? Aug 29 13:51:42 maybe rescueOS doesn't have the firmware for the WLAN, to upload? (is there any firmware upload happening during power-up of WLAN chip? IIRC there is) Aug 29 13:55:50 DocScrutinizer05: no, 1.1 doesn't work because there's no libncurses to run /bin/sh Aug 29 13:55:55 1.0 does have the firmware Aug 29 13:56:29 uhuh, so why or how is that affecting WLAN then? Aug 29 13:57:40 it doesn't Aug 29 13:57:48 that's why i claim that's my wifi that's broken Aug 29 13:58:06 i might do a second test after reflashing pr1.3 Aug 29 13:58:19 do that! Aug 29 13:58:28 ok! Aug 29 13:58:30 but not now Aug 29 13:59:50 SAiF: what means "call display is not working in portrait mode" ? Aug 29 14:01:52 "no libncurses to run /bin/sh", he, wtf? Aug 29 14:02:22 ;-) Aug 29 14:02:42 NIN101: honest Aug 29 14:03:02 kernel panic due to /bin/sh erroring out due to missing libncurses.something Aug 29 14:03:18 ^.^ Aug 29 14:03:54 i'm surprised nobody actually *tried* that image Aug 29 14:04:29 well, let me check. Aug 29 14:04:55 means when I get a call, I can't see whos calling. just black screen with ringtone and/or vibration Aug 29 14:05:36 however, if when ringing, I slide up, It will show the caller name in landscape mode. Aug 29 14:07:00 when does it kernel panic kerio? Aug 29 14:07:08 during boot time Aug 29 14:07:13 your image is broken Aug 29 14:07:16 i mean, it just... does nothing Aug 29 14:07:17 is boots perfectly fine here Aug 29 14:07:17 probably! Aug 29 14:07:31 one sec Aug 29 14:07:34 ~rescueos Aug 29 14:07:34 it has been said that rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/, or http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 29 14:07:40 the first one is the "official" site, right? Aug 29 14:07:46 no, the second one is the official site Aug 29 14:07:55 k Aug 29 14:08:02 so whoever has rights to factinfo can actually kill the url with the IP. Aug 29 14:08:12 infobot: no, rescue-os is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 29 14:08:13 okay, kerio Aug 29 14:08:17 ~rescueos Aug 29 14:08:18 it has been said that rescue-os is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 29 14:08:25 ~literal rescueos Aug 29 14:08:26 "rescueos" is "see rescue-os" Aug 29 14:08:30 mmh Aug 29 14:08:40 infobot: no, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 29 14:08:41 okay, kerio Aug 29 14:08:49 infobot: no, rescue-os is see rescueos Aug 29 14:08:51 kerio: okay Aug 29 14:08:58 the official name is rescueos with no space, right Aug 29 14:09:47 NIN101: MD5 (rescueOS-1.1.img) = 5740b431843b8b8c40a36c09b1d7f60f Aug 29 14:09:53 can you confirm? i have no gnupg installed at the moment Aug 29 14:10:33 mom Aug 29 14:11:07 kerio: yes, looks good Aug 29 14:13:07 infobot: no, rescue-os is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ or http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Aug 29 14:13:07 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Aug 29 14:13:58 the only thing I have done before getting a call was to do a restore of contacts using the default backup program. Aug 29 14:14:07 SAiF: is your proximity sensor next to screenside camera covered by sth? Aug 29 14:14:31 nope.. Aug 29 14:15:34 what's your system? stock PR1.3.1, CSSU-*?? Aug 29 14:15:54 NIN101: yay, it actually works Aug 29 14:16:06 ;-P Aug 29 14:17:00 NIN101: please consider providing MD5SUMS file on your site Aug 29 14:17:11 DocScrutinizer05: even in rescueos 1.1, wlan0 No scan results Aug 29 14:17:35 is stock now.. Aug 29 14:17:51 downloading cssu_ s over 2g Aug 29 14:17:51 hmmmmm Aug 29 14:17:56 md5 sha256 sha384 sha512 pls :) Aug 29 14:18:10 can't go wrong with multiple Aug 29 14:18:13 meh! Aug 29 14:18:15 just CRC32 the sha512 hash Aug 29 14:18:16 easy Aug 29 14:18:30 :) Aug 29 14:18:36 by the way, can you tell me best way t o install kp Aug 29 14:18:46 sudo apt-get install kernel-power-flasher Aug 29 14:18:51 I know I know, let's use a parity bit for the whole file Aug 29 14:19:00 jon_y: and then md5 the parity bit Aug 29 14:19:07 :) Aug 29 14:19:07 or from repository? Aug 29 14:19:17 SAiF: that's from repository Aug 29 14:19:43 I mean HAM Aug 29 14:19:48 same thing Aug 29 14:20:06 but cleven says no suitable kp found Aug 29 14:20:28 ok, you got your checksums + ketchup. But only gpg is serious, so keep using that. Aug 29 14:21:07 DocScrutinizer05: have you seen http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1l7baq/creating_a_user_from_the_web_problem/ ? Aug 29 14:21:17 cleven from apt-get install cleven Aug 29 14:21:17 no Aug 29 14:21:36 what is it about? Aug 29 14:21:46 just look at that guy's question Aug 29 14:24:24 kerio: jon_y: the chances to corrupt a file in such a way that the md5sum stays unchanged are smaller than your chances watching a neutron decay. So why for God's sake would we need sha256 sha384 sha512 ? Aug 29 14:24:37 to confuse users? Aug 29 14:24:45 DocScrutinizer05: sha512 has less collisions Aug 29 14:25:01 pfff Aug 29 14:25:29 neutron decay Aug 29 14:25:45 it has... mh Aug 29 14:25:58 actually, if you use the sums to verify something instead of the gpg... you are doing something wrong anyway. Aug 29 14:26:17 NIN101: i'm trying to avoid mistakes, not malice Aug 29 14:26:24 and i don't have a trusted copy of your public key anyway Aug 29 14:26:38 well, true. Aug 29 14:26:39 wtf? we're not signing something to protect it against NSA attacks Aug 29 14:27:15 NIN101: i'll come to your house with a dna sampling machine, check your dna to see if you're really you, and then you can give me your public key Aug 29 14:27:21 we're doing a CHECKSUM to detect transmission errors Aug 29 14:27:27 hopefully there's no backdoor in the dna sampling machine Aug 29 14:27:35 mh, i guess i'm building that myself then Aug 29 14:27:44 can't trust it Aug 29 14:28:11 DocScrutinizer05: ooh good point Aug 29 14:28:20 we can just ask the NSA if the download had transmission errors Aug 29 14:28:26 there's a backdoor in the sourcecode of the universe Aug 29 14:28:36 can't deal with that Aug 29 14:28:58 DocScrutinizer05: yep, it's called human stupidity Aug 29 14:29:18 I didnt see that coming Aug 29 14:29:22 no, that's the result Aug 29 14:30:15 btw.. NIN101 thanks for the sums and your rescueos... but please add again MC :-) Aug 29 14:30:19 when God created the universe, he didn't plan to add humans. But some rogue hacker exploited the backdoor Aug 29 14:32:28 all the mess we see happen (and the mess that human race creates) is just a result of that, the visible effects of the antivirus process trying to fight the exploit Aug 29 14:32:41 xes: unlikely this happens in the near future. Aug 29 14:35:00 well, mc would bring a LOT of useful functionality Aug 29 14:35:30 in some respect mc is similar to busybox Aug 29 14:35:53 though in fact it just depends on the original tools Aug 29 14:36:38 e.g. I think mc can't look into .tgz and .deb when tar and gzip are not installed Aug 29 14:39:47 for me it's quite simple: I don't know MC. It was once there, eating space. I dunno how useful it was on the N900 keyboard so I nuked it. But anyway, you normally don't use rescueOS that often (unless you are a rescueOS junkie like kerio :-) ) and if you do, well, you can modify the image and help yourself. If you use it sometimes, you can deal with the command line mv cp cat etc. Therefore it is not a priority in the barely alive rescueOS devel Aug 29 14:39:47 opment. Aug 29 14:42:49 Doc,, Aug 29 14:55:44 DocScrutinizer05: Aug 29 15:00:12 huh? Aug 29 15:00:27 ? Aug 29 15:00:33 any ideas? Aug 29 15:00:59 not really. Observe Aug 29 15:01:42 or rather, not now Aug 29 15:02:05 are you speaking abt what I said earlier? Aug 29 15:02:06 the error description isn't inspiring to me Aug 29 15:02:20 are you not? Aug 29 15:02:34 Should I describe in any other way.. Aug 29 15:02:37 explained? Aug 29 15:03:03 SAiF: check if you have some dbus script activated while receiving calls, ringtoned or something similar Aug 29 15:03:25 flashed at noon Aug 29 15:03:35 yes, more verbose. When it happens, what exactly happens, how often it happens, what you did, which OS you're running, if you checked for other similar problems showing up etc pp Aug 29 15:04:38 I had this same exact issue, before flashing. I thought it was because of different softwares I installed. Aug 29 15:04:45 also check dialer menu screen orientation setting, switch it back and forth, disallow auto-orientation Aug 29 15:05:06 ...also if the screen starts rotating during a call the ui opens slowly. Opening the keyb you force the rotation Aug 29 15:05:44 xes, It could be chance.. let me check Aug 29 15:06:11 the file where dialer stores orientation settings might be corrupt. It lives soemwhere in $HOME iirc, which doesn't get reset when you reflash rootfs Aug 29 15:07:01 I flashed both rootfs and emmc Aug 29 15:07:19 * DocScrutinizer05 is supposed to know that stuff, since author of starhash-enabler, but forgot Aug 29 15:07:25 ooops Aug 29 15:07:46 and the problem persists despite you didn't restore stuff? Aug 29 15:10:10 checked both ways, as xes said, it doesnt work either way Aug 29 15:10:57 I am not sure, I didnt checked without restoreing contacts. Aug 29 15:12:13 internal nokia backup? Aug 29 15:12:21 yes Aug 29 15:12:35 well.. onething worked.. Aug 29 15:13:26 the orientation was set to portrait mode by default. Aug 29 15:13:54 now when I changed that to auto, as Doc said, I started working. Aug 29 15:16:22 but only sometimes.. :( Aug 29 15:17:35 now its not working at all. just like before Aug 29 15:19:26 it could also be that some db is corrupted slowing down the dialer's number lookup function. Make some test with the phone clear Aug 29 15:20:26 going to restore original settings. shall i proceed? Aug 29 15:20:38 or clear device? Aug 29 15:21:26 clearing Aug 29 15:21:48 i would save manually all the contacts/sms folders to restore them without nokia backup Aug 29 15:22:19 i just cleared without waiting for reply Aug 29 15:22:20 oops Aug 29 15:25:38 well, cleared device. but still when i ring into n900, display goes black Aug 29 15:27:56 keep the dialer active, screen active, receive a call... what happens? Aug 29 15:30:26 I opened the dailing pad and ringed for 5 secs. screen went black for 5secs and when I disconnected ringing, screen became active again Aug 29 15:31:31 this is the usual behavior when the phone is near something. Proximity sensor covered or broken Aug 29 15:32:09 Its not covered by anything. Aug 29 15:32:45 how could I know if the proximity sensor is working.. in dmesg Aug 29 15:32:47 ?? Aug 29 15:33:19 http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html Aug 29 15:33:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39930 Aug 29 15:39:42 well I suppose, if its an issue with proximity sensor, someone pls tell me how to disable proximity sensor Aug 29 16:05:10 iirc you can see its output somewhere in /sys .. and in very dark environment one can see its IR-led barely glowing red Aug 29 16:05:59 sorry I am in a well lit office now. Aug 29 16:06:26 get some blanket and pull it over your head :) Aug 29 16:07:25 my boss will jump through the window seeing me..:) Aug 29 16:07:39 another phone with a camera can see the ir blinking Aug 29 16:07:45 ^ Aug 29 16:07:51 let me check. Aug 29 16:07:52 i was the first one to discover that Aug 29 16:08:01 or install some app which uses the ir sensor Aug 29 16:08:12 pcam uses it for focussing Aug 29 16:08:15 for example Aug 29 16:11:18 well I could nt see anything Aug 29 16:14:01 the one in near the front cam right? Aug 29 16:19:03 anyone using irc chat on meamo IM conversation? or atleast is it possible? Aug 29 16:25:27 ~fixribbon Aug 29 16:25:28 extra, extra, read all about it, fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 Aug 29 16:26:02 ah, who wants a 2nd hand lcd? Aug 29 16:31:39 SAiF: watch -n 1 cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state Aug 29 16:32:32 RiD: hm? Aug 29 16:33:24 SAiF: usually should show "open" until you place some object close in front of corner with camera Aug 29 16:33:43 closed' Aug 29 16:33:47 bad Aug 29 16:33:51 n900 lcd, second handed. The usual two white spots are there Aug 29 16:33:52 any dirt in it? Aug 29 16:33:56 screensaver? Aug 29 16:34:10 err screen protector Aug 29 16:35:03 RiD: hmmm Aug 29 16:35:09 how much? Aug 29 16:35:10 have a screenprotector Aug 29 16:35:20 SAiF: then you got it Aug 29 16:35:23 eh.. lemme check these chinese prices Aug 29 16:35:47 I am afraid to peel it off now. Aug 29 16:35:56 glue? Aug 29 16:35:58 use scotchtape Aug 29 16:36:08 If i remove it now, I will surely make scractes on display by tomorrow morning? Aug 29 16:36:33 hmm, the screen isn't THAT delicate Aug 29 16:36:52 I will buy another screenprotector, and remove this one, and will check it and then apply new one. Aug 29 16:36:56 :) Aug 29 16:37:00 also you could just lift off the corner over camera Aug 29 16:37:02 SAiF my n900 is 3 and 2 months years old, it's got many micro scratches but nothing deep Aug 29 16:37:31 (i'm lying. But that deep hole is not my fault. Stupid young brother thinks it's cool to play around rotating a usb cable) Aug 29 16:37:31 keep dust away, and after test put it down again Aug 29 16:37:47 happened like on the 2nd week since i owned the n900. I was mad Aug 29 16:38:06 I would cry Aug 29 16:38:26 lucky it was on the side, but "NEVER FORGET" applies Aug 29 16:38:39 side = but still where i use touchscreen Aug 29 16:39:17 my english is deteriorating so much today Aug 29 16:39:42 ~xyawn Aug 29 16:39:43 methinks xyawn is nap Aug 29 16:39:48 dang!!! Aug 29 16:39:50 ~xyawn Aug 29 16:39:51 it has been said that xyawn is coffee Aug 29 16:40:23 any way not tonight,,, may be day after tomorrow.. I will tell you what happens then.. Aug 29 16:40:49 Cheapest i found on ebay was 28.96$ for an lcd with ribbon cable + tools Aug 29 16:41:25 and that's usually without white dots Aug 29 16:41:54 and the ribbon cable is broken ._. Aug 29 16:42:26 what is the white dots? Aug 29 16:42:35 light bleeding Aug 29 16:42:43 two spots are slightly brighter than everything else Aug 29 16:42:50 two or w/e, tends to be two Aug 29 16:43:50 excessive pressure. known effect Aug 29 16:44:12 yes I have got them too. I will see it clearly in white background.. Aug 29 16:44:13 DocScrutinizer05 a ribbon cable is around 4$, right? Aug 29 16:44:16 mechanical destruction of LCD structures Aug 29 16:44:26 :nod: Aug 29 16:44:39 though I paid ~7 Aug 29 16:44:57 still a bargain for what components it comes with Aug 29 16:45:03 i guess i could sell my lcd for 5 heh Aug 29 16:45:12 but the shipping could ruin the price Aug 29 16:45:34 err, wait. The LCD with flex PCB? Aug 29 16:45:42 with frame? Aug 29 16:46:06 a complete upper half? Aug 29 16:46:16 nope, i don't have a good condition complete upper half Aug 29 16:46:20 apart from the one that is on my n900 Aug 29 16:46:41 kinda got scammed months ago Aug 29 16:49:43 digitizer+frame =15€ lcd = 25€ ribbon+camera+sens =7€ Aug 29 16:50:38 (spare parts in the first drawer) Aug 29 16:51:29 I bought a good qualtiy, not original digitizer for 15Euro Aug 29 16:51:47 SAiF: I just tested proxi sensor. Aug 29 16:51:50 dang Aug 29 16:53:21 hey Aug 29 16:53:39 that ribbon cable that connects one half to the another Aug 29 16:53:53 can it be removed without being damaged, and put into another (lol) slider/metal thingy? Aug 29 16:56:08 RiD: yes? Aug 29 16:56:53 that sounds good. Aug 29 16:57:54 it's not really easy though Aug 29 16:58:06 since it's glued to the metal frame afaik Aug 29 16:58:08 that's what i suspected Aug 29 16:58:22 couldn't the glue kinda ruin it Aug 29 16:58:33 hmm? Aug 29 16:59:01 most likely not, since most N900 work fro years Aug 29 16:59:05 for* Aug 29 16:59:24 i mean when taking the cable off and putting it in another Aug 29 16:59:34 I guess Nokia picked some ds-sticky that's not doing dmage to the PCB Aug 29 16:59:41 yes, exactly Aug 29 16:59:47 that's the problem Aug 29 17:00:02 rather get a new cable Aug 29 17:00:07 yeah :\ Aug 29 17:00:09 well, "cable" Aug 29 17:00:31 [2013-08-29 18:49:43] [...] ribbon+camera+sens =7€ Aug 29 17:02:30 a good phon, and a good temperature could help.. Aug 29 17:02:57 for the glue, i mean Aug 29 17:06:09 there you go: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1536586/n900/not-for-sensible-beings/20130829_008.jpg Aug 29 17:06:23 do you like my bed Aug 29 17:06:47 are there any working youtube apps? I tried YTube and cutube but neither of them seem to actually be able to complete a search Aug 29 17:06:52 try cutetube. Aug 29 17:06:55 (not cutetube-QML) Aug 29 17:06:57 so presumably youtube was youtube and broke that at some point :P Aug 29 17:06:58 oh, okay Aug 29 17:07:27 you get a youtube app + few extras (such as video/audio downloader, etc) Aug 29 17:07:44 i think it also does dailymotion Aug 29 17:19:25 oh, what's with network performance? Aug 29 17:19:53 even at 600 mhz this phone kicks my last android phone's ass, but as soon anything involving network usage seems to be slowed to a crawl Aug 29 17:20:19 as soon as anything involves* Aug 29 17:25:10 like I've been waiting on cutetube to show me a profile's upload list for probably 10 minutes now Aug 29 17:30:56 something's wrong then Aug 29 17:31:52 but I'm not sure what could be. This happened before and after cssu update, before and after power kernel Aug 29 17:31:59 and I'm on wifi that's fine, not a cell network Aug 29 17:33:49 how can I disable Lens Cover Sensor? It is broken and camera doesn't work because the whole sdcard board is fucked up Aug 29 18:06:41 also, does anyone have recommendations for an irc client? I saw irssi in the repos, as well as xchat, but I remember seeing a forum post about how the xhcat ui isn't too good on maemo Aug 29 18:06:51 and I'm not a huge fan of irssi, especially without an alt key Aug 29 18:13:20 xchat worked well for me Aug 29 18:13:26 once setup right Aug 29 18:15:12 Tekk_I have no issues with the UI Aug 29 18:20:49 i use xchat Aug 29 18:23:01 okay, maybe the thread I read was old Aug 29 18:24:26 xchat ui is largely unchanged from 2011 Aug 29 18:32:46 yeah, something's definitely up with my networking Aug 29 18:33:04 taking forever to connect to freenode. What'd be the best way to try to diagnose this? Aug 29 18:34:00 it took ~1 minute to connect to freenode Aug 29 18:34:21 by which I mean just connect the socket. I'm still not /nick'd or anything Aug 29 18:48:03 yeah, xchat can't even properly connect to freenode :/ Aug 29 18:50:15 Tekk_: xchat, with custom settings FTQ Aug 29 18:50:21 ~jrxchat Aug 29 18:50:22 i guess jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Aug 29 18:50:35 FTW even Aug 29 18:51:18 DocScrutinizer05: not much help when I can't even connect though :P Aug 29 18:51:29 sorry Aug 29 18:51:59 your network must be fux0red Aug 29 18:52:08 nah, it was happening both on 3g and wifi Aug 29 18:52:15 and my wifi's fine on literally everything but the n900 Aug 29 18:52:24 or you got a browserwindow open that hogs your poor N900 RAM Aug 29 18:52:32 nope Aug 29 18:52:40 then I dunno Aug 29 18:52:50 any way I could try to diagnose what's going on? Aug 29 18:52:53 not any known problem Aug 29 18:53:21 usual network diagnostics, like ping, traceroute, mtr Aug 29 18:53:22 actually just to make sure. idle ram usage of ~100 MB is fine? Aug 29 18:53:38 looking around using htop Aug 29 18:53:39 errrr Aug 29 18:54:10 you rather should look for your swap usage. Free RAM is pretty unusual on maemo Aug 29 18:54:38 well I'm literally not doing anything but htop Aug 29 18:54:41 and swap is at 70 mb Aug 29 18:55:00 I have swappolube installed too Aug 29 18:55:06 using the recommended settings on that Aug 29 18:55:36 should be fine Aug 29 18:55:55 check your powersaving mode on WLAN Aug 29 18:56:16 you might encounter compatibility issues on "medium" or "high" Aug 29 18:56:27 depending on how crappy your AP Aug 29 18:57:48 powersaving on the n900 or on the AP? Aug 29 18:58:37 Timmy: bad luck. Disabling the cmera door sensor is not exactly easy. You probably will need a kernel hack to do so, or at least some severe console magic messing with sysfs Aug 29 18:58:43 i think he means on the N900 (at least, there's that option on it) Aug 29 18:58:53 yep Aug 29 18:59:07 * Tekk_ is looking Aug 29 18:59:55 AP has no powersaving mode, bot some other parameters related that sometimes improve things a bit when tweaking them. But generally only a firmware update or hw update on AP can fix those problems Aug 29 19:00:48 some AP simply don't support or poorly support the PSM used by N900 Aug 29 19:00:58 particularly old AP Aug 29 19:01:04 yeah, but this wasn't just on wlan Aug 29 19:01:07 this was on 3g too Aug 29 19:01:35 install syslog, check what's wrong Aug 29 19:06:35 sysklogd? Aug 29 19:08:14 well that might just be it Aug 29 19:08:34 wlan0 is switching between LOWSIGNAL and HIGHSIGNAL literally hundreds of times a second Aug 29 19:09:36 actually this seems to be when it was logged, not when it happened Aug 29 19:09:43 but there's a LOT of switching between LOW and HIGH Aug 29 19:13:15 hmm, that indicates problems with your WLAN, though no unusual ones Aug 29 19:14:21 and for sure shouldn't have any impact on 3G Aug 29 19:15:58 let me switch to 3g and look in syslog Aug 29 19:17:02 massive switching between HIGH and LOW can be related to a broken config of your AP. Sth like mixedmode, or whatever Aug 29 19:18:03 or even N Aug 29 19:18:25 if i'm not mistaken then N900 WLAN supports B/G only Aug 29 19:19:09 mixed operaton of N and B/G devices in one AP domain might cause issues Aug 29 19:25:41 changed AP out of mixedmode and into I think G Aug 29 19:26:10 seems to have helped freenode a bit, at least Aug 29 19:28:05 ~8s ping :/ Aug 29 19:28:18 :-/ Aug 29 19:28:23 still PSM Aug 29 19:28:29 err, not ping Aug 29 19:28:37 actually yeah ping Aug 29 19:28:45 8s for anything to get to freenode and back, it seems Aug 29 19:29:42 or you got crappy RF environment, lots of collisions from other AP using same channel Aug 29 19:30:33 yeah, same constant switching between HIGHSIGNAL and LOW Aug 29 19:31:00 DocScrutinizer05: did nokia go really cheap on the antenna or something? Aug 29 19:31:33 not particularly Aug 29 19:31:41 hmm Aug 29 19:32:31 I seem to recall similar reports, and sorry I can't say what been the fix or if there been any Aug 29 19:32:54 google for maemo n900 HIGHSIGNAL LOWSIGNAL Aug 29 19:38:37 DocScrutinizer05: there was one mailing list thread on it with no resolution, and one passing mention on irc 2 years ago :/ Aug 29 19:43:28 Tekk_: check BMO there's reports there, no resolution IIRC Aug 29 19:47:34 ooh a whole week passed without any filesystem corruptions! Aug 29 19:47:39 neat Aug 29 19:50:41 sixwheeledbeast: I'm not seeing it on bmo, what search terms were you using? Aug 29 19:53:20 N900 wifi antenna is the best on any mobile device I've had Aug 29 19:53:33 Tekk_: momplz, I'll try and find it for you Aug 29 19:55:06 Tekk_: bug 9101 Aug 29 19:55:08 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9101 Wifi doesn't enter power saving mode properly (wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up) Aug 29 19:56:14 ah, I saw that bug but the title seemed like it was irrelevant Aug 29 19:56:46 I may be more helpful, so I guess I'll sign up for an account Aug 29 19:56:53 since I can reproduce this even with power save mode off, and it's constant for me :P Aug 29 20:15:20 http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/08/29/023200/elop-favored-by-gamblers-as-microsofts-next-chief-executive lmao Aug 29 20:19:24 BWAHAHAHA Aug 29 20:19:40 FLOP for president!! ;-P Aug 29 22:38:27 ـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارت Aug 29 22:38:33 that should crash os x corefont Aug 29 22:40:46 yea, good idea pasting it on IRC Aug 29 22:53:07 bef0rd: well presumably nobody in here would be using iOS... Aug 29 22:54:50 ah, no wonder my IRC client crashed. Aug 29 22:55:00 sorry Aug 29 22:56:46 http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/08/29/anatomy-of-a-dropped-call-how-to-jam-a-city-with-11-customised-mobile-phones/ Aug 29 23:36:24 sure, osmocom again, even when only mentioned on page 7 Aug 29 23:36:29 :-D Aug 29 23:37:13 you're aware that osmocom and openmoko are, errr... cousins? Aug 29 23:37:16 DocScrutinizer05: is Naughty900 going to run an osmocombb modem?!?!? Aug 29 23:37:27 in what way Aug 29 23:37:56 well, first of all both are significantly driven by Harald Welte Aug 29 23:48:05 LjL-Alps: a SDR on the Neo900 would be tons of fun. Aug 29 23:49:02 Hurrian: i think DocScrutinizer05 already has that covered Aug 29 23:49:05 but yes it would Aug 29 23:49:17 to be honest i'd be content with RTLSDR support on the original N900 :P Aug 29 23:50:19 I elaborated on this and suggested a direct link from baseband to shared RAM to feed the signal to DSP. But this will be an unbearable power hog Aug 29 23:50:20 …but I think the FCC would hang us should we advertise a high-gain SDR on the Neo900 :P Aug 29 23:51:01 LjL-Alps: I discussed RTLSDR support on N900 with a few guys, and it might be feasible Aug 29 23:51:15 on lower sampling rates Aug 29 23:51:31 i'm already using an rt2832 into my n900...but so slow Aug 29 23:52:00 xes: really? Aug 29 23:52:08 yep Aug 29 23:52:10 xes: you du WUT??? :-O Aug 29 23:52:21 rotfl Aug 29 23:52:32 and I wonder if it could be done ;-P Aug 29 23:52:32 DocScrutinizer05: you've been outdone. or perhaps outlied. Aug 29 23:52:53 http://superkuh.com/rtlsdr.html#ssb Aug 29 23:53:12 i have compiled all gnuradio and rtlsdr driver Aug 29 23:53:18 ..for the n900 Aug 29 23:53:50 gnuradio???? are you mad? or simply the weirdes hacker I ever heard of Aug 29 23:53:56 i can receive any signal but with a minimalist bandwidth Aug 29 23:54:09 gnuradio is a terrible monster even on my i5 Aug 29 23:54:11 ;-P Aug 29 23:54:14 DocScrutinizer05: well the fancy waterfall program uses gnuraddio! Aug 29 23:54:29 sorry, i had no time to upload all the binaries Aug 29 23:54:39 ~bash xes Aug 29 23:54:40 * infobot beats xes with ksh Aug 29 23:55:05 i thought you'd at least give me enough time to buy a USB-OTG cable first! Aug 29 23:55:13 LOL Aug 29 23:55:26 ...and also gqrx is running http://gqrx.dk/news/gqrx-2-2-0-released Aug 29 23:55:34 muhahahaha this gives me a good laugh Aug 29 23:56:07 xes: you're my new hero Aug 29 23:56:13 DocScrutinizer05: sorry, i'll have to ask your medal back Aug 29 23:56:49 meh Aug 29 23:56:54 before any medal... you have to try it in real life adventures Aug 29 23:57:00 i guess so Aug 29 23:57:06 thanks, I already had a hurting back Aug 29 23:57:14 but it doesn't matter, i'm clueless and never managed to receive anything with my RTLSDR! Aug 29 23:57:19 except for bus drivers talking on the phone Aug 29 23:57:44 BUT you can sign it with the flag N900_CAN_DO_IT Aug 29 23:58:19 in the meanwhile you could try to decode some signal with my fldigi package Aug 29 23:58:47 SSTV or nothing Aug 29 23:59:10 also i want to try the new gqrx now, doubt anything will work on this EeePC 901 though Aug 29 23:59:20 bet the N900's faster Aug 29 23:59:52 ooh, for sure Aug 30 00:01:12 so far i had the sensation that there is somethng wrong with the pulseaudio speed... there is a lot to dig there Aug 30 00:01:29 * DocScrutinizer05 blackmails xes for abusing his usb-hostmode to hack the radio bands Aug 30 00:01:38 are you aware of this HackRF Jawbreaker project? Aug 30 00:02:28 xes: get rid of friggin pukeaudio and enjoy flawlessly working sounds Aug 30 00:02:37 tomorrow i will upload in a new talk.maemo.org thread all my binaries for rtlsdr... it could also be that with more guys tring it, someone find some optimization Aug 30 00:03:19 cooooool Aug 30 00:03:32 :-D Aug 30 00:04:01 I wonder when GeneralAntilles and Jaffa will either kill us or close up MWKN for good ;-) Aug 30 00:04:43 oh neat, there's Ubuntu packages of latest gqrx and dependencies, i won't have to compile stuff Aug 30 00:04:56 Neo900, RTLSDR, I wonder what else we can get in one week Aug 30 00:05:39 DocScrutinizer05: there are rtlsdr keys big just like an usb plug Aug 30 00:05:56 I know Aug 30 00:06:21 the problem though is: the E4000 alone is rated ~150+mA max irrc Aug 30 00:06:31 hmmm Aug 30 00:06:41 my dongle does heat up a bit Aug 30 00:06:46 new ge.tt downloader with fixed parsing for multiple/single links: http://privatepaste.com/e169c595a6 Aug 30 00:06:54 yup, mine too Aug 30 00:07:06 haha Aug 30 00:07:19 you don't give up on ge.tt, eh? Aug 30 00:08:00 :-) you know, i'm ... Aug 30 00:08:00 he made me install his last version on my box Aug 30 00:08:09 ;-P Aug 30 00:08:27 ok, time for update Aug 30 00:08:59 try it, it's dirty but seems to work also with single files Aug 30 00:09:30 I wouldn't know a usecase ;-D Aug 30 00:09:44 ooh, does it come with --help? Aug 30 00:09:52 whats ge.tt? Aug 30 00:10:01 abomination X-P Aug 30 00:10:20 an upload service with no ads and no catcha Aug 30 00:10:29 mh Aug 30 00:10:37 but lots of nasty javascript Aug 30 00:10:42 ew Aug 30 00:11:13 DocScrutinizer05: have you ever looked at the maemo.org js? Aug 30 00:11:14 it's so obfuscated that no real script kiddie bothers to abuse it Aug 30 00:11:40 zje midgard one, oh god, no Aug 30 00:11:59 -no comment Aug 30 00:12:04 xes: so what do you actually do with rtl2832? Aug 30 00:12:22 receive ham radio freq? Aug 30 00:12:31 and decode and listen? Aug 30 00:12:38 xes: what ham radio freqs, the only interesting ones are below 30Mhz! Aug 30 00:12:53 monitoring uhf repeater Aug 30 00:13:00 hah! Aug 30 00:13:47 I want my spectrum analyzer on N900! Aug 30 00:14:04 waterfall Aug 30 00:14:31 btw, i have the ham radio license so i'm doing a legal activity Aug 30 00:14:34 lemme think... isn't it python? Aug 30 00:14:53 DocScrutinizer05 ... Aug 30 00:14:56 xes, in many countries listening to ham is perfectly legal anyway Aug 30 00:15:08 I'm EE, I never do legal activity by definition ;-P Aug 30 00:15:58 DocScrutinizer05: tomoroww i will upload what i have done so far Aug 30 00:16:46 oh, hey look at this, it's a PAL antenna two-inputs selector - *grabs it for the RTLSDR* Aug 30 00:16:46 was probably used to connect the C64 or something Aug 30 00:16:46 we are the guys opening the appliances with the warning"NO USER SERVICABLE PARTS INSIDE! DO NOT OPEN!" Aug 30 00:17:12 now...bed! bye bye guys Aug 30 00:17:27 cya xes! sleep well1 Aug 30 00:17:52 and cure that beriberi! Aug 30 00:18:56 ok i'll try...good night! Aug 30 00:34:23 bef0rd: what the hell was that? Aug 30 00:35:26 Sysaxed, what? Aug 30 00:35:38 Sysaxed, osx crash thing? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6293824 Aug 30 00:37:13 The R820T tuner based dongles actually use even more power than the E4K ones. Aug 30 00:37:14 Sysaxed: sorry, I switched to a windows VM to avoid osx crash and that one seems to be compromised Aug 30 00:37:15 Just as an aside. Aug 30 00:38:11 heh, superkuh!! :-) Aug 30 00:39:06 superkuh: yeah, and h-e-n hostmode blows chunks at ~200mA Aug 30 00:39:34 'blows chunks'? Aug 30 00:39:40 that scares me Aug 30 00:39:40 though, that is when errorflig beeps Aug 30 00:39:43 And as of right now the HackRF pulls way too much power on initialization. Aug 30 00:39:56 the converter however might happily go higher Aug 30 00:40:22 with reduced or even out of spec parameters for voltage, noise, whatnot Aug 30 00:41:06 DocScrutinizer05: i'm, uhm, streaming music from my N900 to my EeePC. but i'll let you guess how Aug 30 00:41:36 I bet you attached the eee as mass storage Aug 30 00:41:59 as a usb soundcard? Aug 30 00:42:13 NFS? Aug 30 00:42:30 USB motorola carkit mode? Aug 30 00:42:33 you got him curious Aug 30 00:42:41 better tell him, he runs this place Aug 30 00:43:29 oh the suspeeeeeense Aug 30 00:43:42 DocScrutinizer05: i'm using the N900's FMTX and the RTLSDR on the EeePC :P Aug 30 00:43:49 LOL Aug 30 00:43:54 HAHA Aug 30 00:44:16 you completely forgot about fmtx Aug 30 00:44:53 well, I hate the quality Aug 30 00:45:24 it's still something Aug 30 00:45:28 stereo *pilot* is at 16kHz iirc! Aug 30 00:45:32 well it only works if i keep the two thingies at like 10cm distance Aug 30 00:46:02 LjL you could market that as "nfc music streaming" Aug 30 00:46:13 and stereo separation is basically nonexistent Aug 30 00:46:14 DocScrutinizer05, i think you're no teenager, don't fool us into thinking you can hear that Aug 30 00:46:28 bef0rd: no, what is this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-30-034615_780x113_scrot.png Aug 30 00:46:32 MEH! Aug 30 00:46:56 na, DocScrutinizer05 has a good point Aug 30 00:47:02 RiD: yes, but i'll leave the expansion of "NFC" undefined Aug 30 00:47:35 if it's anything like a 44100 vs 16khz wav, the difference is enormous Aug 30 00:47:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMu5XY31DY Aug 30 00:48:02 RiD: uhm that's different though, a 16khz wav means you only get frequencies up to 8khz Aug 30 00:48:10 which is a fair bit lowre Aug 30 00:48:18 * LjL-Alps is so British he spells "lower" "lowre" Aug 30 00:48:27 :( Aug 30 00:49:05 i Aug 30 00:49:21 surprised the rtlsdr does (almost... with lag) work with the eeepc, anyway Aug 30 00:49:40 i had my shining moment, and you steal it Aug 30 00:49:49 stole Aug 30 00:50:49 the thing is, i'm pretty sure with the N900's extremely powerful transmitter, you never really reach the point where you have to worry about theoretical FM radio quality constraints ;( Aug 30 00:52:03 DocScrutinizer05, if you folks actually managed to put an RTLSDR-like SDR inside the N900, that would give you worldwide broadcast radio coverage as a bonus - as today, various countries use DAB or DMB-T or 1seg or whatever as FM radio alternatives/replacements Aug 30 00:52:16 at least if the processor were fast enough to decode any of that Aug 30 00:52:54 well, a 1GHz omap3630 with DSP should lift that Aug 30 00:53:51 the problem is it keeps CPU busy, though maybe not much more than mp3-playback Aug 30 00:54:06 yeah it's not going to be battery efficient for sure Aug 30 00:54:54 tbh with our weird PA based AP centric audio concept, nothing audio is exactly a battery smiler Aug 30 00:55:26 well, 24hours of music is not bad is it? Aug 30 00:55:43 it's so weeeeeeird, exactly what you never ever musr do when designing sw architecture for embedded Aug 30 00:55:46 why stop at audio, DocScrutinizer05? these SDR thingies *were* originally meant as TV decoders, after all! Aug 30 00:56:25 1 frame per minute tv would be nice Aug 30 00:56:42 voiced slideshow Aug 30 00:56:50 sure, I never said "stop at audio". Actually for audio any cheesy USB or other attaching method would suffice. I suggested shared RAM and DSP for DVB Aug 30 00:57:14 oh you really want to do DVB Aug 30 00:57:56 sure, when i already got a SDR hooked up to my OMAP3, why not? Aug 30 00:58:13 i guess! Aug 30 00:58:17 why not do GSM as well, and ditch the modem :P Aug 30 00:58:35 when it can playback flash and mpeg2 and mpeg4 and whatnot, why not dvb? Aug 30 00:59:31 actually with a rtl2823 dvb is probably easier to cpu than FM Aug 30 01:00:07 DocScrutinizer05, well i dunno, but the RTLSDR's bandwidth isn't even enough to send in the raw i/q for DVB (which is 6Mhz iirc) Aug 30 01:00:16 i realize we're not talking about the actual RTLSDR here Aug 30 01:00:24 but still, that seems like a lot of data to handle Aug 30 01:01:35 you're aware that rtl2832 allegedly does DVB decoding on chip, and sends a mpeg or whatever stream? Aug 30 01:02:01 yes Aug 30 01:02:17 that's why i said the bandwidth isn't enough to send the raw data :P Aug 30 01:02:52 i don't know anyway. it just seemed like a lot to handle, intuitively, but i'm not going to defend that position Aug 30 01:03:33 ~800*480*25*3 Aug 30 01:03:33 28800000 Aug 30 01:04:01 28MB/s video bandwidth? Aug 30 01:04:13 DSP handling that Aug 30 01:04:45 right but the actual bandwidth needed to get the radio signal in is going to be a lot more Aug 30 01:05:07 ATSC is even worse, 8Mhz Aug 30 01:06:13 well maybe not really a lot more, since i'm talking compressed video on a radio i/q stream, and you're talking uncompressed bitmaps Aug 30 01:06:31 aiui the IQ scheme is meant to run at nyquist and still get a meaningful data stream that even holds info about phase Aug 30 01:07:38 so for 8MHz you need 32MB/s with 8bit resolution Aug 30 01:08:59 8Mhz -> 16Ms/s with 8bit I and 8bit Q Aug 30 01:09:40 but I#m no expert in that digital signal processing stuff Aug 30 01:10:31 me neither. i just know that SDRs are expensive, and the RTLSDR seemed like a miracle already with its "really wide" 3Msps... but, economies of scale i guess Aug 30 01:10:41 I just know the purpose of DVB is to reduce needed bandwidth, not to increase it Aug 30 01:10:58 DocScrutinizer05: well yeah thanks to MPEG Aug 30 01:11:39 but a few channels are crammed into one stream so you still need to read in a lot of stuff, and then ditch some Aug 30 01:11:45 TV channels i mean Aug 30 01:12:05 sure Aug 30 01:12:32 USB highspeed is 480Mbps Aug 30 01:12:45 and CPU handles that easily Aug 30 01:12:55 *usually* ;-P Aug 30 01:12:58 the HackRF thing apparently can go down to 10MHz according to "leaked info", says wikipedia or some other wiki i was reading a moment ago Aug 30 01:13:10 10MHz to 6GHz, now, that's... something Aug 30 01:13:20 indeed Aug 30 01:15:41 well, that's weird Aug 30 01:15:50 http://pastebin.com/qi9Zg9Rr Aug 30 01:16:01 I just saw this in a PM window from this network Aug 30 01:16:15 Like, half an hour ago, apparently? Aug 30 01:18:27 some ultraweird spammerbot Aug 30 01:18:38 I'm thinking it thought /I/ was a bot node Aug 30 01:18:42 Looking at the commands Aug 30 01:18:53 privlogin suckme Aug 30 01:19:15 don't quote any names, this triggers the bot Aug 30 01:19:35 huh? Aug 30 01:20:34 what does it do? Aug 30 01:21:25 I'm guessing that if my computer was compromised, this connection to IRC would be from a RAT, and he was attempting to establish communication, load up some new piece of malware Aug 30 01:22:14 In reality, though, I'm running Linux, so at /least/ give me a proper ELF binary to run Aug 30 01:25:01 has anyone happened to try to compile Mednafen for the n900? Aug 30 01:55:08 hmm Aug 30 01:57:20 it seems that app manager has decided that I have no catalogs and I have no apps installed Aug 30 01:57:34 it doew that Aug 30 01:57:40 just restart app cat Aug 30 01:57:47 or use apt Aug 30 01:58:02 app cat? Aug 30 01:58:15 nonsense Aug 30 01:58:18 just wait! Aug 30 01:58:52 app cataloguw Aug 30 01:58:57 silly keyboard Aug 30 01:59:12 app manager needs up to 15 minutes to display any list of apps, when you enabled a lot of crammed catalogs Aug 30 01:59:27 DocScrutinizer05: no, not now showing anything Aug 30 01:59:32 but "you have no app catalogs enabled" Aug 30 01:59:39 and when you go into app catalogs, it doesn't see any Aug 30 01:59:45 not not showing* Aug 30 02:00:25 then you messed up the catalogs file. That's a result of trying to avouid HAM and configuring catalogs in packages.list or whatever the names of thpose files Aug 30 02:02:05 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/apt/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/hildon-application-manager/ Aug 30 02:02:46 yeah, it actually seems like a force close on HAM fixed it Aug 30 02:03:05 don't think you can edit those files any way you like, it is prone to mess up stuff. Aug 30 02:03:12 Why not just use apt? Aug 30 02:03:29 DocScrutinizer05: I hadn't edited it Aug 30 02:03:47 because for apt you need to know what you're doing, and what maemo does. maemo is NOT debian Aug 30 02:03:49 but I did use apt a bit Aug 30 02:03:58 but it seems that I've reverted the damage Aug 30 02:05:01 apt is fine for a lot of standard stuff, especially command line tools Aug 30 02:05:35 for installing typical maemo specific packages or system stuff, you should resort to HAM Aug 30 02:06:05 ...I don't think I've started HAM in like two, three years Aug 30 02:06:14 *shrug* Aug 30 02:06:59 may I ask how you do upgrades then? Aug 30 02:07:05 upgrade, presumbly? Aug 30 02:07:09 ^^ Aug 30 02:07:19 apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Aug 30 02:07:20 good luck Aug 30 02:07:27 It seems to work Aug 30 02:07:27 kills system Aug 30 02:07:50 emphasis on 2seems" Aug 30 02:08:26 you'll notice the broken or conflicting or autoremoved or uninstalled packages 8 weeks later Aug 30 02:08:49 I've killed the system a few times -- always due to friging optfs getting corrupted after a while; I've actually been able to recover from a pretty badly mangled system(i.e. optfs backup being from a year older than my rootfs) Aug 30 02:09:08 it took apt-get install --reinstalling a bunch of optified stuff, but after doing that, it works Aug 30 02:09:16 or never, while al the time you wonder why XY segfaults or acts weird Aug 30 02:09:29 You mean, aside from OCing? Aug 30 02:10:10 I'm running 950mhz, at probably 99.9% stability, but I've had crashes oh, every month or two. But then again, I also almost never preemptively reboot it Aug 30 02:10:12 unlike some Aug 30 02:10:55 I basically never reboot N900, and I had no crash since err 3 years Aug 30 02:10:59 I suppose that I don't have apt problems because I know enough not to press Y when it asks to remove dozens of things Aug 30 02:11:04 You also aren't OCing, are you? Aug 30 02:11:29 for me, a crash every couple of months and a rebuild every year is worth the extra 50% speed. Aug 30 02:11:41 I temporarily bumped up to 900 Aug 30 02:11:52 to see if pcsx would run decently, it didn't Aug 30 02:11:57 so I brought it back down Aug 30 02:11:57 50% speed? maybe in clock divider Aug 30 02:12:23 CPU wise, 950mhz is slightly over 50% faster than 600mhz. Aug 30 02:12:34 ALU wise Aug 30 02:12:36 robbiethe1st: why do you bother with overclock? Aug 30 02:12:44 Because it /seriously/ helps Aug 30 02:12:46 CPU is more than ALU and PC Aug 30 02:13:10 It really helps with browser speed, which is what I do most of the time Aug 30 02:13:10 with what though? granted, I've only been fiddling for a day or so, but I haven't yet really been hurting for cpu power Aug 30 02:13:13 I wouldn't even know why I'd need any such help Aug 30 02:13:18 JS heavy pages, like Slashdot... Aug 30 02:13:35 /. works fine with noscript, as long as you don't want comments Aug 30 02:13:43 is there a noscript for fennec? Aug 30 02:13:48 ...And that's the whole point of slashdot Aug 30 02:14:18 the comments are the important point. With stock MicroB, I can browse slashdot's desktop site just like I would otherwise, if a bit slower Aug 30 02:14:48 MicroB, I might add, is the only browser I know of with a good implementation of mouse-cursor mode Aug 30 02:15:08 the bottleneck with browsing is the RAM, and swap. You can't speed up swap by OC Aug 30 02:15:24 Depends on the pages. Aug 30 02:15:27 maybe he's really tweaked swappolube to the point where cpu is, I guess Aug 30 02:15:45 I did that a while back; it's definitely faster than it was stock. Aug 30 02:15:49 and the most popular mistake in microb that brings it to a grinding halt is adblock Aug 30 02:16:22 really? Aug 30 02:16:22 Plus, sure, on lightweight webpages, swap is probably the limiting factor. Slashdot is where it Aug 30 02:16:32 It's most noticable, and that's horribly JS heavy Aug 30 02:17:12 Plus, I usually open up several tabs/windows at once, have them load in the background, Between stock 600mhz and 950mhz(changing only the governor), it's noticable Aug 30 02:17:52 (In the past, I occasionally had a crash and PK wouldn't load my preset as default. I'm sitting there wondering "why is it so slow" "Oh..." Aug 30 02:19:12 Also(in the past), games. 950mhz vs 600mhz really helps with something like Runescape(which I was able to get to run, at like 1fps). 1ghz and above work fine for me(I can get to 1.15ghz), but create too much heat when running flat out Aug 30 02:19:39 at 950mhz, it doesn't seem to get nearly as hot(though I haven't stressed it like this in quite a while) Aug 30 02:20:52 robbiethe1st: you should try runescape 3 :D Aug 30 02:21:03 I was getting like 3 fps on a dual core at 3.0 ghz with 4 gb of ram Aug 30 02:21:31 Yeah...No. Aug 30 02:21:44 OSRS is where it's at Aug 30 02:21:53 Though I don't even play that much anymore Aug 30 02:22:29 I used to play on rscangel Aug 30 02:22:51 << (and, on rs3/rs2 robbiethe2nd) Aug 30 02:24:11 Speaking of which, time to see if I can get OSRS working on my N900 again Aug 30 02:25:30 Yay for X11/Linux Aug 30 02:28:18 ...On the other hand, battery life is more like battery death **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 30 02:59:58 2013