**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 01 02:59:59 2013 Sep 01 03:33:52 why is dh_make not present in my scratchbox -_- ?? Sep 01 03:46:08 Ok, desn't matter. FANN (for now without python binding) is working. Tommorow i will try to upload it to the extras-devel Sep 01 03:49:09 oooh... new FANN needs cmake2.8.. i will have to upload an old version which needs just classical ./configure; make; make install Sep 01 04:01:52 another project has fallen under the sway of hpsters Sep 01 04:02:13 *hipsters Sep 01 04:02:33 ? :) Sep 01 04:02:41 my biggest grief with cmake is that there is no easy way to cross compile Sep 01 04:03:00 or use libtool Sep 01 04:03:13 or automake Sep 01 04:03:55 it's like an iPad, pretty with a GUI, but not very functional Sep 01 04:04:04 i have successfly compiled FANN with cmake :) Sep 01 04:04:29 so how do you cross compile it? Sep 01 04:04:40 in scatchbox Sep 01 04:04:47 *scratchbox Sep 01 04:04:51 without scratchbox Sep 01 04:05:02 how do you tell it to --host=xxxx? Sep 01 04:05:19 oh wait, you can't, you need some kind of chroot Sep 01 04:06:06 and probably assume qemu-user is installed Sep 01 04:07:27 whatever new hipster buildsystems that pops up, is going to reinvent autotools poorly Sep 01 04:08:38 cmake was simply the simpliest way how to compile newest version of FANN... older, which im going to try to upload to extras-devel, can be compiled with clasical make Sep 01 04:09:55 sure, it's simple as wrapping everything in build.sh Sep 01 04:12:16 python ./setup.py install :P Sep 01 04:12:27 good night.. :) Sep 01 10:45:57 hello. I am looking for good, fast uSD 64GB card for mine N900. obviously I would be "loading it up" on computer, so I do not care about N900 limitations in term of speed Sep 01 10:46:20 I know there are people here, who are testing cards for fun ;) Sep 01 10:46:44 Samsung Pro Sep 01 10:47:38 I was thinking about Samsung, as they are producing memory and other storage devices and their RAM is fast Sep 01 10:48:07 will SDXC work properly? In theory it should. Sep 01 10:48:29 Samsung Value and Samsung Plus are a bit random, at some capacity points Value is better, at some points Plus is better. Samsung Pro is consistently good though. Sep 01 10:49:08 Also, Samsung only recently started selling cards to consumers, so you don't need to worry too much about accidentally getting older models. Sep 01 10:49:14 I am not going for anything else then premium stuff - like pro Sep 01 10:49:42 other then fakes - I have nothing to worry about then Sep 01 10:50:30 Sandisk also has good products, but you need to be very careful about the exact product# you're getting so that you get the latest model. The "android edition" cards are pretty decent Sep 01 10:50:47 I consider all other brands too untrustworthy :) Sep 01 10:50:48 I got one fake - suppose to be Samsung plus 10 class - it barely goes to 800KiB/s and never works properly - creating ext4 on it is impossible Sep 01 10:51:19 I was considering sandisk, as it is easier to get it on ebay Sep 01 10:51:40 but I might get it from amazon or something like this Sep 01 10:52:29 I wouldn't get any memory cards from ebay Sep 01 10:52:46 And only Amazon if it says sold and shipped by Amazon Sep 01 10:52:51 not any more - damn one never arrived, another is fake Sep 01 10:53:58 fortunately it says sold and shipped by amazon Sep 01 11:07:16 What's with tmo? Sep 01 11:16:53 I have understood there was a spam attack and it is pauzed until an admin is available Sep 01 11:17:44 yup Sep 01 11:20:00 I see. Sep 01 12:25:16 hi Sep 01 12:25:28 has any of you a harmattan sbox ? Sep 01 12:42:58 Status on TMO? Is the spam being cleared? Sep 01 12:48:23 TMO is down.. Sep 01 12:49:27 :\ Sep 01 12:57:36 randervault: TMO is waiting for some admin/mod to step up and prevent more spam Sep 01 12:58:00 is stskeep still the admin? Sep 01 13:01:13 was he ever? Sep 01 13:01:31 wait what Sep 01 13:08:40 Earthwings: is the upload account for that other guy (forgot the name) working now? Sep 01 13:12:45 hi DocScrutinizer05 Sep 01 13:12:59 hi! Sep 01 13:14:29 xes: do you think I should try to mail reggie and ask for help with tmo administration? Sep 01 13:15:02 tonight i saw that someone removed a few of that spam threads/posts... Who? Sep 01 13:15:17 good question, no idea Sep 01 13:15:43 I don't even have a comprehensive list of mods on tmo Sep 01 13:15:53 i don't think that those spammers changed idea removing what they had posted before Sep 01 13:15:58 shentey: ^^ Sep 01 13:16:00 chem|st does his very own empire there Sep 01 13:16:24 right, shentey. could you ask him if his account works as expected, please? Sep 01 13:16:47 ooh, he's in here Sep 01 13:16:48 shentey: around? did you try uploading to extras yet? Sep 01 13:16:52 yep Sep 01 13:18:10 shentey: we need your close feedback to fix possible oopsies in your account Sep 01 13:18:52 sysops / maintainers can't test your account, you're the only one who got the ssh key Sep 01 13:19:16 Earthwings: nope, I'm still looking for a way to build the package that doesn't require too much patching Sep 01 13:19:31 aaah, well. Sep 01 13:20:32 shentey: please ask freemangordon_ about that testpackage he used to check autobuilder and relatives. You might try to upload that void package to confirm your account is ok Sep 01 13:21:05 DocScrutinizer05: ah, great Sep 01 13:21:09 freemangordon_: around? Sep 01 13:21:13 tmo still paused? Sep 01 13:21:23 I'm not savvy regarding that, please coordinate with freemangordon_. When any problems arise, come back here and oing me, I'll try to fix them Sep 01 13:21:38 alright Sep 01 13:22:29 RiD: alas yes. chem|st failed to appoint any stand-in who has full admin rights on tmo Sep 01 13:22:59 and aiui chem|st isn't available due to holiday offtime Sep 01 13:23:05 aww Sep 01 13:23:10 indeed Sep 01 13:23:32 I'll try to fight spam issue with help of thedead1440 Sep 01 13:23:43 funny thing, wayback machine has a tmo snapshot 30 august Sep 01 13:24:09 or reach out for reggie (ex tmo owner), afaik he still should have full permissions Sep 01 13:24:12 oh but probably many things are missing Sep 01 13:24:27 It was Gerbick who removed some of the spam posts. He has limited rights to delete spam AFAIK Sep 01 13:24:46 thanks Sep 01 13:24:55 wayback machine is useless, probably tmo does not let robots sneak the content Sep 01 13:25:33 RiD: tmo is highly dynamic content, it's hard to "mirror" it Sep 01 13:25:40 almost impossible Sep 01 13:26:05 I wonder how spambots reacted on TMO being down Sep 01 13:26:20 panic and rage? Sep 01 13:26:26 maybe it already got removed from their lists as being inaccessible? :D Sep 01 13:26:51 RiD: nah, that was community members Sep 01 13:26:53 ;) Sep 01 13:27:53 In another spam attack earlier this year it was discovered that those spamming accounts were registered months before the spamming Sep 01 13:27:54 now that a few interested tmo users who are experienced are around, i might unpause it while you keep it under close observation and holler if spamming persists Sep 01 13:27:57 ok? Sep 01 13:28:16 sure Sep 01 13:28:27 lets give it a try Sep 01 13:28:44 i'd laugh and cry at the same time if suddenly a bot horde joins Sep 01 13:28:45 I expect very close monitoring done by a few of you, with reports every 60s in here Sep 01 13:29:15 tmo: admin/spam mod: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache:3Vvk7KKuIJgJ:http://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php%2Bhttp://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php&gbv=1&sei=_EAjUvKyGNSI7Abv6YGQDg&hl=it&ct=clnk Sep 01 13:29:26 who's willing to help doing such monitoring (I.E. searching for new members and new spams)? Sep 01 13:30:01 I will Sep 01 13:30:06 I can do it for a while too Sep 01 13:30:35 xes: nice! thanks! Sep 01 13:30:41 ok Sep 01 13:30:49 unpausing it in 30s Sep 01 13:30:59 initiate launch countdown Sep 01 13:31:33 running Sep 01 13:31:57 :) Sep 01 13:32:27 50 guests already? Sep 01 13:34:02 what's going on? Sep 01 13:34:13 nothing. Someone deleted the old spam Sep 01 13:34:39 all spam gone Sep 01 13:34:50 now it's the waiting game, tic tac Sep 01 13:34:54 isn't there a "newest member" somewhere in maemo skin? Sep 01 13:35:54 member search > advanced > member after >put date here Sep 01 13:35:58 well, on the bottom there's a "welcome to our newest member" Sep 01 13:36:13 RiD: that's what I recalled Sep 01 13:36:38 please try to monitor if new accounts get created Sep 01 13:38:15 our regular mods can ban members who created account yesterday and today start spamming, but they can't edit/patch/block account creation Sep 01 13:42:39 DANG!! Sep 01 13:42:44 >>Welcome to our newest member, zlf4Cn << Sep 01 13:43:12 2nd but last: bobfromcanada Sep 01 13:43:13 sorry, it seems I have to take tmo down again Sep 01 13:43:45 good that i've already finished sending reply to Neo900 thread Sep 01 13:47:31 tmo paused since obviously still spammers creating new accounts (zlf4Cn doesn't look like a sane username) Sep 01 13:47:46 neither bobfromcanada Sep 01 13:48:06 hi i'm bob and i'm from canada Sep 01 13:48:07 nah, bobfromcanada is a very pretty name I'd think Sep 01 13:49:09 we need some tmo admin to fix registration procedure, it's either broken or got hacked, or both Sep 01 13:50:23 also we should forbid new accounts to post, for at least 3 days. Or ceate an automatism that bans new users when their first post gets "reported" Sep 01 13:51:15 probably better: forbid new accounts to post links Sep 01 13:51:41 thats how other forums usually handle it Sep 01 13:51:46 that's a safe bet, and I thought it been like this Sep 01 13:52:04 oh, i don' know, might be Sep 01 13:52:20 (it's a while since I had a new account on tmo ;-D ) Sep 01 14:02:37 ok, awesome thedead1440 mailed me that he can't IRC but takes care of permanently ban any new tmo users who start spamming. He asked me to resume tmo VM. Sep 01 14:02:58 hi thedead1440! via chanlog, a bold THANKYOU! Sep 01 14:03:12 tmo resumed Sep 01 14:07:47 hello. I need to reset media-player db. tmo is down and there's answer. Do anybody remember command? Sep 01 14:08:27 WizardNumberNext: tmo is up since few minutes ago ;) Sep 01 14:08:52 nice Sep 01 14:10:01 trackerd -r; or sth like that Sep 01 14:10:56 please everybody continue watching tmo for spammers, thedead1440 can one-click clean out them, but he needs to know about them to do that Sep 01 14:12:09 ooh, and could somebody evaluate the registration process please. I tried and it seemed to me that creating new account is already not possible. zlf4Cn lets me stand corrected Sep 01 14:12:52 I got http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/31/plasma-desktopJW3743.png Sep 01 14:14:26 DocScrutinizer05: dos2 has just registered Sep 01 14:14:34 my suspicion is that somebody removed a few text input fields from http://talk.maemo.org/register.php - but that doesn't help when spammer creates the URL to register by a script Sep 01 14:15:10 xes: could you try removing the register.php? Sep 01 14:15:25 Welcome to our newest member, dos2 Sep 01 14:15:31 DocScrutinizer05: sure Sep 01 14:15:37 thanks a lot! Sep 01 14:15:39 is that you dos1? Sep 01 14:15:55 dos1: thanks to you as well Sep 01 14:16:42 http://talk.maemo.org/register.php 404 Sep 01 14:16:44 xes: of course not remove but just rename, and send a tmo PM and a mail to chem|st Sep 01 14:17:01 so he knows how to revert Sep 01 14:17:13 xes: awesome, many thanks! Sep 01 14:19:40 to everybody: on talk.maemo.org, at very bottom of page, under "maemo.org - Talk Statistics" you got "Welcome to our newest member, dos2". Please holler loud and immediately when the user dos2 changes to sth else there! Thanks! Sep 01 14:21:30 i'll wait for dos 3, would rather have nested subdirectories Sep 01 14:21:58 hehe Sep 01 14:22:10 drdos FTW Sep 01 14:32:02 Pali: KP packages are in the stable repo, but not in the package interface. reason is that KP49 is still in the repo. If you want them to appear in the package interface, I can just remove KP49 Sep 01 14:32:27 freemangordon: ok, do it Sep 01 14:32:40 remove kp49? ok. Sep 01 14:36:18 Pali: it is kp42 even :) Sep 01 14:36:32 ok :-) Sep 01 14:37:02 Win7Mac: yes, that was me Sep 01 14:38:52 freemangordon: could you please help shentey to test his account? Sep 01 14:39:02 freemangordon: see backscroll Sep 01 14:39:09 ok Sep 01 14:41:22 ok, we have disabled registration of new users on tmo (at least we hope we succeded in doing so). Already registered spammer personalities might still continue spamming. Please report any spam you run into, both in tmo by "report" button and in here via posting link to the spam thread. Thanks! Sep 01 14:41:59 shentey: the package in question is called autobuildertest, just apt-get source autobuildertest, increase the version in changelog and put it in the builder Sep 01 14:42:23 :-) Sep 01 14:42:56 freemangordon: thx :) Sep 01 14:43:37 shentey: if any problems shor up during upload (or "build"), please immediately holler here Sep 01 14:43:40 shentey: the latest version is 0.1-3, in extras-devel Sep 01 14:43:48 http://maemo.org/packages/view/autobuildertest/ Sep 01 14:43:59 show up* Sep 01 14:44:41 shentey: there might be issues with your login-"shell" as configured on drop, then Sep 01 14:46:06 also keep in mind that propagation of changed ssh pubkey on garage may take undefined timespans till it reaches the other VMs Sep 01 14:46:37 VM's are sunced via scrpts started by cron Sep 01 14:46:45 or not at all ;-) Sep 01 14:46:52 synced* Sep 01 14:47:03 Pali: I removed kp37 and kp24 too Sep 01 14:47:11 good! Sep 01 14:47:13 ok Sep 01 14:47:19 cruft! ;-P Sep 01 14:48:11 freemangordon: please try to usually coordinate such removals with merlin1991 (repo maintainer) Sep 01 14:48:19 for kernel-power that is, will fix the other packages once kernel-power 52 appears in the package iface Sep 01 14:50:49 *sigh* usual calm sunday, how relaxing X-P Sep 01 14:53:28 OT rant: KDE4 network monitor widget USELESS. Auto-scaling, with no numeric or other hints to the scale used. All you can tell from it is relative shape of traffic during last 20s, but you dunno if that's kB/s or MB/s Sep 01 14:56:48 does that look correct? http://paste.kde.org/p43d6bb95/ Sep 01 14:57:47 DocScrutinizer05: scale it up, it has numeric hints but only if its height is big enough Sep 01 14:57:47 hmm, I am usually using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc Sep 01 14:57:54 shentey: ^^^ Sep 01 14:58:12 freemangordon: alright, I'll use that command Sep 01 14:58:30 shentey: wait Sep 01 14:58:30 your should be fine too Sep 01 14:58:47 Pali: what about kernel-power-headers? Sep 01 14:58:59 it is not needed in extras repository Sep 01 14:59:00 the version in stable is 40, in testing is 50 Sep 01 14:59:07 but there is one in stable Sep 01 14:59:15 should be removed Sep 01 14:59:16 dos1: how would I scale up this: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/01/plasma-desktopGU3743.png ? Sep 01 14:59:23 freemangordon: your command seems to also build a .deb package Sep 01 14:59:31 shentey: yeah Sep 01 14:59:40 that is why I said your is ok too Sep 01 14:59:42 in extras should be only user packages, right? Sep 01 14:59:53 Pali: hmm, no. afaik Sep 01 15:00:03 freemangordon: alright, I'll try to upload then Sep 01 15:00:08 define "user packages" Sep 01 15:00:12 DocScrutinizer05: ouch, you have it on panel... then you're right Sep 01 15:00:26 :nod: Sep 01 15:00:26 but well, you can always scale your panel up! :D Sep 01 15:00:28 if some package depends on it then that package needs -headers only at compile time Sep 01 15:00:39 and packages are compiled in extras-devel Sep 01 15:00:40 KDE4 built by the 3 stooges Sep 01 15:00:59 freemangordon: package which is not needed on n900 device Sep 01 15:01:10 and headers is really not needed on device Sep 01 15:01:58 Pali: you can;t install them via HAM anyway, but the repo is inconsistent that way Sep 01 15:02:09 BTW the same for kp debug packages Sep 01 15:02:30 debug should not be in extras too... Sep 01 15:02:38 why? Sep 01 15:02:57 in debug package is oprofile module Sep 01 15:02:58 and you cannot install debug/headers packages via HAM Sep 01 15:03:08 hm, then ok Sep 01 15:03:14 Pali: see ;) Sep 01 15:03:33 does the GTA04 support cellular data on debian? Sep 01 15:04:23 looks like it worked, yay! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/autobuildertest/0.1-4/ Sep 01 15:05:21 qwazix: with FSO, yes Sep 01 15:05:57 dos1, thanks Sep 01 15:05:57 freemangordon: so if I'd want to build the package myself (no compiling on the server), I'd use your command? Sep 01 15:06:32 shentey: I use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b for tha purpose Sep 01 15:06:39 no sopurce package build :) Sep 01 15:06:43 source even Sep 01 15:07:02 Hi DocScrutinizer05 Sep 01 15:07:20 thanks for resuming the vm :) Sep 01 15:07:30 freemangordon: iiuc, you don't upload source packages... why? Sep 01 15:07:35 and xes thanks for disabling registration Sep 01 15:07:52 shentey: freemangordon: so if I'd want to build the package myself (no compiling on the server), I'd use your command? Sep 01 15:07:53 dos1: is dos2 really you on tmo? Sep 01 15:08:17 shentey: for "no compiling on the server" I used the above command Sep 01 15:08:21 *use Sep 01 15:08:30 thedead1440: yes, I was just testing if it was still possible to register Sep 01 15:09:06 dos1: did you get a captcha to enter? just wondering as i havent seen the registration page in ages Sep 01 15:09:23 freemangordon: ah, I figured that dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b creates .deb packages only (no source packages) Sep 01 15:09:35 thedead1440: yes Sep 01 15:09:50 thedead1440: yw! :-) When you need to shutdown something call me.. i know many brutal ways to do that! ;-) Sep 01 15:09:58 shentey: good, this is what it is suppoed to do :) Sep 01 15:10:16 dos1: ok since it was a test i will ban and clean the account with a note about the test Sep 01 15:10:22 xes: :D Sep 01 15:10:22 xes: you know what "special NMI" is? Sep 01 15:10:32 thedead1440: now we have ~20 spammer users to remove Sep 01 15:10:56 thedead1440: ok, no problem Sep 01 15:10:56 freemangordon: no sorry Sep 01 15:11:09 pull the power plug :P Sep 01 15:11:11 ~nmi Sep 01 15:11:12 methinks nmi is Non-Maskable Interrupts, a way to diagnose why a CPU soft-froze. Sep 01 15:11:17 xes: you mean those who have posted spam or just suspected spammers? Sep 01 15:11:27 thedead1440: yw, thanks for helping out on managing the attack! :-) Sep 01 15:12:12 np Sep 01 15:12:14 check users registered in the last 24h... many usernames are very clear Sep 01 15:12:57 DocScrutinizer05: i must have refreshed tmo a gazillion times in the hope you were back to resume the vm :D Sep 01 15:13:13 sorry Sep 01 15:13:26 no probs Sep 01 15:13:29 had one of my rare suspend offtimes Sep 01 15:13:47 yeah i was surprised too; usually there is no downtime in jrtzv :p Sep 01 15:14:13 unscheduled service downtime due to virus attack Sep 01 15:14:22 sigh i can't one touch ban&clean an account without any posts; will leave it to chemist to remove dos2 without labeling it as a spam account Sep 01 15:14:33 DocScrutinizer05: ouch... how are you feeling now? Sep 01 15:14:50 thedead1440: keep dos2, I asked tmo users to watch for it changing Sep 01 15:14:59 DocScrutinizer05: ok Sep 01 15:15:14 (feel) like a bag full of surplus junk Sep 01 15:15:30 xes: i can't one touch clean accounts without any posts so have to wait for them to come to life Sep 01 15:15:55 DocScrutinizer05: you should be off then Sep 01 15:16:04 nah Sep 01 15:16:22 how about your meds? Sep 01 15:16:41 What I should do though is prepare me another coffee Sep 01 15:16:52 haha Sep 01 15:17:36 no meds to cure virus attacks Sep 01 15:17:50 thedead1440: the attack is still in progress so we should expect that these new users could post something. Sadly the number of ip that we should block is very large... so there is no easy way to ban them all Sep 01 15:18:11 for my system there's no general purpose antivir yet Sep 01 15:18:47 xes: :( i am awake for another ~2-3 hours so i will be monitoring them but if they come to life after that i hope someone else is able to stop them Sep 01 15:19:02 DocScrutinizer05: lol; you are one of a kind after all :p Sep 01 15:19:08 thedead1440: could you ban users? Sep 01 15:19:17 yeah as spambot Sep 01 15:19:25 or just for 3 days too Sep 01 15:19:37 please ban all new users of last maybe 36 hours Sep 01 15:20:15 isnt that risky that legitimate users get banned too? Sep 01 15:20:16 send them a notification that we appoligize for inconveniences if they are no spammer Sep 01 15:20:25 oh ok Sep 01 15:21:09 tell them to contact $maemo-staff to unban them Sep 01 15:21:48 keep in mind spammers also might want to send PM if they can't spam public threads anymore Sep 01 15:21:57 so no pm for them Sep 01 15:22:04 we don't want them to do that Sep 01 15:22:05 just a message to try registering after 48hours Sep 01 15:22:31 we have 20 users (incl dos2) who have registered since 30-08-13 and have 0 posts Sep 01 15:22:40 all the new real users of latest 24h i think to recall that have posted something "human" Sep 01 15:22:45 nah, give them a "out of band" means like email to get ban removed Sep 01 15:23:14 lets shift this to -admin Sep 01 15:23:17 Does tmo run vbulletin? (In train on 2g atm), but my forum recently got hit (but we prevented it) by some new vbulletin 0day Sep 01 15:23:20 k Sep 01 15:23:29 Wizzup: yup Sep 01 15:23:52 Wizzup: any pointers? Sep 01 15:24:14 Which allowed remote attackers to create admin accounts Sep 01 15:24:22 OUCH!!!! Sep 01 15:24:31 Still exists, happened yesterday Sep 01 15:24:38 we have admincp shielded by several layers though Sep 01 15:24:39 UGH!! Sep 01 15:24:44 Not sure if this is related, just saying Sep 01 15:24:52 dunno Sep 01 15:25:00 what's suggested to fight it? Sep 01 15:25:32 I think we should take down tmo again until we investigated and hardened tmo Sep 01 15:25:42 I don't know, someone else took a look at it, I've been off the grid last two days :-) Sep 01 15:26:14 any pointers to the disclosure/original thread? Sep 01 15:26:32 DocScrutinizer05: If you had a breakin of some kind, yes, if it is just spammers, not sure Sep 01 15:27:01 DocScrutinizer05: no, it just happened at our forum, I am going to report it to them this evening Sep 01 15:27:13 Wizzup: I don't want to wait for any breakin Sep 01 15:27:22 (They require full logic details to vbulletin.com to report anything..) Sep 01 15:27:27 s/logic/login/ Sep 01 15:27:28 Wizzup meant: (They require full login details to vbulletin.com to report anything..) Sep 01 15:27:56 mhm, so _you_ discovered it and it's not even disclosed yet? Sep 01 15:28:59 we are investigating it anyway. Thanks for mentioning it. We don't want to spread it here and now, not to wake sleeping dogs Sep 01 15:29:28 Wizzup: what version? Sep 01 15:29:33 DocScrutinizer05: no, I just know it exists, I didn't discover it Sep 01 15:29:52 freemangordon: good question, 4.x; maybe maemo runs 3.x? Sep 01 15:30:53 yep maemo runs 3.8 Sep 01 15:46:25 Pali: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/ Sep 01 15:46:45 nice :-) Sep 01 15:46:51 http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/ Sep 01 15:47:10 Pali: could you check if something is missing? Sep 01 15:48:49 looks like it is ok Sep 01 15:55:20 power52 is on stable now? Sep 01 15:56:55 many thanks to walter1950 for his constant help behind the scenes Sep 01 16:00:38 http://www.vbulletin-germany.com/forum/showthread.php/61661-Mögliche-Sicherheitslücke-in-vBulletin?s=5a632015491b79180f03eb449ac1bf99&p=384267#post384267 Sep 01 16:20:37 ns id Melnik123 Sep 01 16:40:03 huh? Sep 01 16:42:42 hunter2 Sep 01 16:42:50 i wonder if he noticed Sep 01 16:42:54 and if he changed his password already Sep 01 16:43:05 nope Sep 01 16:43:09 -NickServ- You are now identified for freemangordon. Sep 01 16:43:14 freemangordon: yo, change your password Sep 01 16:43:27 kerio: that is what I am trying to do Sep 01 16:43:30 234 people know it Sep 01 16:43:58 it's just /ns set password newpass Sep 01 16:44:30 or wait, let me do that for you... ;) Sep 01 16:44:43 dos1: too late Sep 01 16:45:10 :( but i wanted to be a "hacker"! :( Sep 01 16:45:13 dos1: you can go Melnik123 my Melnik123-ing Melnik123 Sep 01 17:49:12 hey, I've uploaded some .debs (no sources) which should show up here, but don't? http://maemo.org/packages/view/marble/ Sep 01 17:52:11 DocScrutinizer05, freemangordon: ^^ Sep 01 17:53:55 shentey: you upload to autobuilder input queue. Autbuilder builds. Repo management promotes built package to repository. eventually it will show up in package interface http://maemo.org/packages/view/ then. Sep 01 17:54:42 shentey: there's no way to upload stuff to repo and thus to package interface directly Sep 01 17:54:58 DocScrutinizer05: is this also true for uploading .debs *only*? Sep 01 17:56:26 you're not supposed to upload .deb afaik Sep 01 17:57:40 DocScrutinizer05: freemangordon uses the -b option for dpkg-buildpackage, that's why figured I could upload .deb files directly Sep 01 18:01:04 the idea is: you maintain your project on garage, where your co-devels can contribute and you have all the svn/git and docs and files and mailinglists and stuff. You build locally on your PC under scratchbox. When you are content with the result, you upload the *sources* to autobuilder, which will do a faithful copy of what your local build process did, to make sure all .deb on extras repo are based 100% on what the source claims they are Sep 01 18:01:04 part one (garage project) is not mandatory, though highly recommended Sep 01 18:04:57 even when just using someone else's package and debian source pkg, btw? Sep 01 18:05:17 sorry? Sep 01 18:05:21 I would still feel wrong claiming ownership for it by making such a garage project Sep 01 18:05:30 if it is not my code Sep 01 18:06:04 oooh, you're not claiming ownership by creating a garage project. You accept maintainership responsibility Sep 01 18:06:16 hehe, maybe I should make a garage project "Packages ported from Debian" Sep 01 18:06:22 then it is clear :) Sep 01 18:06:41 nope, will not meet maemo rules for project naming Sep 01 18:07:01 oh? so one project per package is mandatory? Sep 01 18:07:07 yep Sep 01 18:07:24 even if one package is just a dependent lib? Sep 01 18:07:32 then not Sep 01 18:07:55 just wondering, as I probably want to port the clex file manager if it works Sep 01 18:08:13 not just because mc is broken Sep 01 18:08:24 also because mc is no fun on n900 display :P Sep 01 18:08:38 that's correct Sep 01 18:09:08 DocScrutinizer05: i have no experiences with autobilder, so please sorry my stupid questions, i want to upload FANN (in debian repo it it named libfann2), what i have to do is to upload source-codes which can be compiled which "clear" scratchbox? or the .deb package? or both? Sep 01 18:09:09 it works absolutely fine via ssh though Sep 01 18:09:13 one thing I maybe would want to change in clex is keyboard mapping Sep 01 18:09:18 but... how Sep 01 18:09:22 it needs f keys Sep 01 18:09:47 and esc is not bound by default, and unlike mc no onscreen f key bar Sep 01 18:10:10 lexik: ask the developers who actually use that machinery every day. I'm not really any kind of developer on maemo Sep 01 18:10:50 my guess however wuld be: sources plus some auxiliary files that define what to do with the sources Sep 01 18:11:23 DocScrutinizer05: ok, i will ask someone in Saera thread which is related to it, thanks. Sep 01 18:11:28 normally that is how debian source pkgs work Sep 01 18:11:37 dsc, diff.gz, source Sep 01 18:11:49 lexik: ask freemangordon or pali or merlin1991 or... all in here Sep 01 18:12:18 ok Sep 01 18:12:39 also please refer to the howtos available on wiki.maemo.org Sep 01 18:13:11 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide Sep 01 18:14:39 http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel Sep 01 18:14:53 ii have read all these dev-stuff on wiki, however there are some things i still dont understand Sep 01 18:15:45 >>Publishing non-free packages in the Maemo Extras Devel repository for Fremantle is done via dput. Direct upload of binary packages is allowed for non-free packages only.<< Sep 01 18:16:56 so that means i have to upload the >>source<< which will be compiled by autobilder and packaged automaticaly Sep 01 18:16:59