**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 02 02:59:58 2013 Sep 02 03:56:58 hmmmff Sep 02 08:15:06 hmm, don't know if 'm the only one with this.. but Nokia Maps seems to now pick the longest possible routes :( Sep 02 08:15:44 it was perfect all along, finding shortest routes on the first go, even better than Google Maps Sep 02 08:17:38 but now, now, to travel from Johannesburg, South Africa to Mbabane, Swaziland, Maps tells me to go through Botswana! wtf Sep 02 09:03:56 but now, now, to travel from Johannesburg, South Africa to Mbabane, Swaziland, Maps tells me to go through Botswana! wtf Sep 02 09:04:08 aw.. sorry for repeat.. Sep 02 10:17:17 the extras assistant... why does it not ask me for the source file? Sep 02 10:17:29 it asks me for debian.tar.gz and dsc, after uploading the .changes file Sep 02 10:17:50 but it does not ask for the orig.tar.gz Sep 02 10:37:51 divVerent: it decides on what to ask for based on your .dsc Sep 02 10:38:36 freemangordon: the .dsc mentions the .orig.tar.gz Sep 02 10:38:38 dput did it right Sep 02 10:39:03 divVerent: sorry, based on .changes, but lemme check once again, just to be sure Sep 02 10:39:09 .changes lists it too Sep 02 10:39:18 and yes, probably based on .changes, as that is uploaded first Sep 02 10:39:42 divVerent: maybe .orig.tar.gz is already there? Sep 02 10:39:55 hm... I would wonder why Sep 02 10:40:01 given the package got released only days ago Sep 02 10:40:09 and Maemo didn't have it at all before Sep 02 10:40:20 divVerent: which package is that? Sep 02 10:40:26 clex Sep 02 10:40:46 or rather, may I look at .changes/.dsc? Sep 02 10:41:04 can you still see them on the build server? Sep 02 10:41:08 if not, I can upload separately Sep 02 10:41:26 hmm, "Build succeeded" Sep 02 10:41:41 yes Sep 02 10:41:43 I used dput Sep 02 10:41:51 after the web interface looked like it would fail when I would do it Sep 02 10:41:58 due to not asking me for the orig file Sep 02 10:43:21 strange Sep 02 10:45:53 another thing... is there a way to send Alt-F8 in the terminal? Sep 02 10:45:57 or ESC F8 Sep 02 10:46:00 esc esc 8 doesn't do Sep 02 10:47:23 ESC ESC [ 19 ~ seems to be the sequence Sep 02 10:47:58 hehe, typing that whole monster works ;) but is barely practicable Sep 02 11:10:53 of course, not REALLY needed, I can change clex's config to not need that :P Sep 02 11:23:41 freemangordon: yes! after a few modifications, i have successfully packaged FANN library with dpkg-buildpackage, now, there are two files: the .deb package,a and .tar.gz one, to the extras-devel i must upload the .tar.gz? Sep 02 11:23:51 hm, are there any things I have to think of, ordering a new usb-charger for the N900? Sep 02 11:25:16 also there is an .dsc and .changes file, where to put them? Sep 02 11:40:00 Yo. Sep 02 11:40:11 neo900 Sep 02 11:40:17 Very exciting! Sep 02 11:40:42 DocScrutinizer51: good afternoon. Sep 02 11:40:51 DocScrutinizer51: Is there an N900 BOM? Sep 02 11:44:04 Or indeed any note of the footprint of the white camera LEDs? Sep 02 11:46:16 Or possibly what the forward voltage of those LEDs are or perhaps the current supplied when thy flash? Sep 02 12:21:48 http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~kalmar/blog/?p=247 << do we have this? Sep 02 12:22:37 or better yet some "hold modifier to right-click" configuration Sep 02 12:24:37 there's supposedly some "mouseemu" script that's supposed to be able to do that, but it's website is down Sep 02 12:59:37 ccxCZ: Yes there is hold to right click. Sep 02 13:01:07 is that on by default? can I change the delay? Sep 02 13:01:19 ccxCZ: read the second half of this wiki entry: Sep 02 13:01:20 Sep 02 13:01:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Sep 02 13:01:51 The above is keyboard modifier. Sep 02 13:02:03 I did not read your question close enough. Sep 02 13:03:42 I'd be really grateful to have mod-click so I can play few mouse-driven games via dosbox. it has keyboard remapper by itself but can't do a thing about mouse apparently Sep 02 13:50:01 vi___: check the cam driver, it has comments about current Sep 02 13:52:06 I am rather sure current been 300mA, max 0.5seconds. voltage prolly 5..6Vmaybe 8 Sep 02 13:53:24 max continuous current 50mA iirc Sep 02 13:58:36 DocScrutinizer05: That sounds plausible. The 2 LEDs are in series. Sep 02 13:58:50 300mA for 500mS. Sep 02 13:59:02 That is plenty meat. Sep 02 13:59:22 FYI they are a 2.15*1.65mm footprint. Sep 02 14:00:29 ccxCZ: The article I linked talks about mapping a keyboard modifier to middle and right click. Sep 02 14:00:46 AFAIK some users use that method to play dosbox games. Sep 02 14:01:49 The 8v Vf sounds plausible that is. Sep 02 14:02:04 by 8, I of course meant 6. Sep 02 14:09:52 vi___: hi, long time no see Sep 02 14:16:04 vi___: maybe it been 200mA, and maybe 0.7s or 0.4s Sep 02 14:17:41 check cam driver source! Sep 02 14:19:21 or even the fine wiki Sep 02 14:21:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch RTFM! Sep 02 14:21:49 >>It can flash brightly for a maximum of 0.5 s, with an LED current of no more than 320 mA, or be in torch mode for arbitrary duration, at a current of no more than 50 mA<< Sep 02 14:35:51 DocScrutinizer05: Ty doc Sep 02 14:35:58 freemangordon: hello FMG. Sep 02 14:36:07 Yeah, I got a new job. Sep 02 14:36:08 yw, but pretty please check wiki! :-D Sep 02 14:36:13 I am now mega busy. Sep 02 14:36:35 Not much time for messing with technology. Sep 02 14:36:38 vi___: thanks for support on Neo900 Sep 02 14:36:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Sep 02 14:36:56 If it is as good as the idea seems, I am all in! Sep 02 14:37:21 I really think you should look into things like kickstarter etc. Sep 02 14:37:38 we could need every help we can get, for fremantle porting task force Sep 02 14:37:51 s/need/use/ Sep 02 14:37:53 DocScrutinizer05 meant: we could use every help we can get, for fremantle porting task force Sep 02 14:39:03 oops, irssi had a fit! Sep 02 14:39:16 huh? Sep 02 14:40:13 I am using irssi on a windos box. Sep 02 14:40:36 I accidentally pressed ctrl+z Sep 02 14:40:42 ooh, windows term. I'm not familiar with those ;-P Sep 02 14:40:46 The whole thing spazzed out. Sep 02 14:41:05 I assume ctrl+z is left over from th 'nix version. Sep 02 14:41:14 btw 8V Vf is more likely than 6V Sep 02 14:41:32 4V Vf for each LED? Sep 02 14:41:41 That seems quite high. Sep 02 14:41:49 yup, usual for blue end white LED of high power Sep 02 14:41:59 s/end/and/ Sep 02 14:41:59 DocScrutinizer05 meant: yup, usual for blue and white LED of high power Sep 02 14:42:10 oh. Sep 02 14:42:37 see nichia and osram 1W 3W 5W LEDs Sep 02 14:42:40 LED like the cree XML have a Vf of ~3.1V at 1.5A Sep 02 14:42:48 and cree of course Sep 02 14:43:16 check again, iirc that's not true for blue and white Sep 02 14:43:42 I will. Sep 02 14:43:43 well, they differ a lot between types Sep 02 14:44:00 obviously those are 1W LEDs in N900 Sep 02 14:44:31 Yes, just 4V is probably the highest I have seen. I could not find a part number for the N900 flash LEDs though. Sep 02 14:55:58 /disconnect/names Sep 02 14:56:02 fuuu Sep 02 15:05:58 I've seen 4.5V Vf on a crappy chinaled Sep 02 15:06:30 Cree has LEDs with Vf around 2.7V @ 350mA, iirc Sep 02 15:42:43 vi__: there probably is no part number / name of those LED available Sep 02 15:44:47 vi__: all I have is: Sep 02 15:44:49 Main PCB, Top User Interface Optical Semiconductor LED 2 Primary Camera Flash - High Intensity White 2 2.15 1.65 0.80 Sep 02 15:50:53 and this looks pretty much like a crippled original Nokia BOM that got leaked to those guys who did the RE Sep 02 15:53:41 http://www.electronicproducts.com/Nokia_N900_Mobile_Phone-whatsinside_text-90.aspx Sep 02 15:55:07 HTH Sep 02 15:55:19 it's best I could find Sep 02 15:59:25 ShadowJK: "Typical forward voltage @ 1.4 A (V), 85°C: 37.0" ;-P Sep 02 15:59:36 http://www.cree.com/LED-Components-and-Modules/Products/XLamp/Arrays-NonDirectional/XLamp-CXA3050 Sep 02 16:03:04 http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED Components and Modules/HB/Data Sheets/CLM1CWKW(879) "TYPICAL ELECTRICAL & OPTICAL CHARACTERISTICS (TA = 25°C)" "Vf typ: 3.2V max:4.0V" Sep 02 16:07:38 http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED Components and Modules/HB/Data Sheets/CLA1A(1075) typ:3.6V max:4.2V Sep 02 16:08:02 all no high power LEDs which tend to have even higher Vf usually, afaik Sep 02 16:11:10 generally 1W LEDs seem to average at 2.3V for red and orange, 3.5V for green blue and white Sep 02 16:15:36 http://www.media.highlight-led.de/products/documents/pdf/77900010.pdf Sep 02 16:21:44 very interesting: http://www.uskoreahotlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/1-Watt.pdf with a binning/rank of 4=3.3V Vf to 10=4.0V Vf Sep 02 16:27:33 goldkatze: *caress* Sep 02 16:30:15 also interesting (I didn't know of it yet): >> In particular, if a reverse voltage is continuously applied to the product, such operation can cause migration resulting in LED damage << Sep 02 16:31:08 * DocScrutinizer05 winks to all OC-fanboys who seem to think EM is a hoax Sep 02 16:33:46 lookup Cree XP-G and XR-E too Sep 02 16:38:03 cree.com seems to no longer provide info for those Sep 02 16:39:02 http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED Components and Modules/XLamp/Data and Binning/XLampXPG.pdf Sep 02 16:39:49 Vf 3.25V Sep 02 16:40:01 typ Sep 02 16:42:39 anyway in the end who cares about Vf? It's mandatory to operate those LEDs by a constant current source Sep 02 16:54:46 XR-E Vf (white >5000° (!!)) 3.7V Sep 02 18:11:21 hello, I'd like to install kernel power 52, but the version I find in HAM is 51r1, (have extras-devel enabled) Sep 02 18:14:23 does anyone know where I would find 52? Sep 02 18:20:15 o.O Sep 02 18:20:49 allegedly KP52 got promoted to extras-devel, for all I know Sep 02 18:21:08 ~pkg Sep 02 18:21:08 pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ Sep 02 18:22:10 it did Sep 02 18:22:24 there is a forums posting on it at least saying so Sep 02 18:22:54 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/kernel-power-flasher/2.6.28-10power52/ Sep 02 18:23:27 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/kernel-power/2.6.28-10power52/ Sep 02 18:23:29 http://www.tizenexperts.com/2013/04/announce-kernel-power-stable-v52-extras-devel/ Sep 02 18:23:49 tizenWUT? Sep 02 18:24:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 Sep 02 18:24:15 idk some blogger Sep 02 18:25:14 but he sourced it right off maemo.org so i know he is accurate Sep 02 18:28:21 then why do I see only 51r1 in HAM? Sep 02 18:28:41 is there another way to install it? Sep 02 18:29:13 apt-get "kernel-power-flasher" Sep 02 18:29:43 honestly I don't know. Seems something is flawed. Please ask Pali and freemangordon and merlin1991 to investigate what's wrong, and them fix it ASAP Sep 02 18:30:18 bennypr0fane: check your distribution. Also make sure you did refresh Sep 02 18:30:26 you're supposed to see KP52 in HAM, definitely Sep 02 18:31:06 it's definitely in extras Sep 02 18:31:55 yeah i am looking at it in the repo now, it is there. something wrong on his end. Sep 02 18:32:47 apt-cache policy Sep 02 18:33:16 freemangordon I'm on thumb 8.2 Sep 02 18:33:28 oooh, and could somebody fix apt-cache to show full repo URL pretty please!? KTNX Sep 02 18:33:32 shouldn't matter Sep 02 18:33:49 bennypr0fane: as long as you haev maemo-extras repo enabled Sep 02 18:33:52 *have Sep 02 18:34:11 bennypr0fane: in HAM, click on the menu and selct "Refresh" Sep 02 18:34:17 select even Sep 02 18:34:35 ok, done Sep 02 18:34:40 disable extras-devel Sep 02 18:34:43 and make sure you are not using multiboot Sep 02 18:34:46 that fast? Sep 02 18:34:50 use u-boot instead Sep 02 18:34:51 i.e. "done" Sep 02 18:35:00 it will break with multiboot Sep 02 18:35:14 everything breaks with multiboot ;-P Sep 02 18:35:14 as done is after hitting a button in HAM... Sep 02 18:35:19 indeed Sep 02 18:35:20 bennypr0fane: HAM refreshed the catalogues in 10 seconds?!? Sep 02 18:35:23 ooh Sep 02 18:35:28 no multiboot Sep 02 18:35:31 ~maemo-multiboot Sep 02 18:35:31 good Sep 02 18:35:31 rumour has it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Sep 02 18:36:09 just reflashed, acutally after corrupted fs Sep 02 18:36:42 disbale extras-devel (and extras-testing) Sep 02 18:37:00 DocScrutinizer05: wait ;) Sep 02 18:37:03 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/ Sep 02 18:37:04 KP52 is in extras aiui Sep 02 18:37:13 ugh Sep 02 18:37:25 ok, scratch that Sep 02 18:37:27 * freemangordon hates that shit Sep 02 18:37:36 DocScrutinizer05: though I wonder... Sep 02 18:37:46 me not: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/kernel-power/2.6.28-10power52/ Sep 02 18:37:54 according to the logs on stage, this SHOULD be in 1.2 and 1.3 repos Sep 02 18:38:13 but not here http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/ Sep 02 18:38:29 Doc well I don't get it. it's in devel, right? Sep 02 18:38:29 bennypr0fane: check your maemo-extras distribution Sep 02 18:38:39 FSCK DAMN fremantle-1.3!!!! Sep 02 18:38:42 it should be fremantle, not fremantle-1.3 Sep 02 18:38:43 maemo-extras? Sep 02 18:38:48 aha Sep 02 18:38:58 I have 1.3 Sep 02 18:39:08 DocScrutinizer05: I think it is about time to fix that shit Sep 02 18:39:17 there *is* *no* fremantle-1.3 Sep 02 18:39:29 in all the extras repos, or just stable? Sep 02 18:39:37 all of them Sep 02 18:39:53 fremantle-1.3 is actually fremantle, plain vamilla fremantle without fancy extensions Sep 02 18:40:10 * bennypr0fane is missing the tab button on n900 in xchat Sep 02 18:40:25 tab? Sep 02 18:40:36 for nick expansion? use shift-space Sep 02 18:40:48 ~jr-xchat Sep 02 18:40:54 ~jrxchat Sep 02 18:40:54 jrxchat is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Sep 02 18:41:13 DocScrutinizer05, ha, awesome Sep 02 18:41:28 yw Sep 02 18:41:34 jrxchat is not xchat? Sep 02 18:43:12 i'm trying to upload my package but: "Upload error, no repository selected!" ? Sep 02 18:43:32 lexik: select repository :P Sep 02 18:43:38 fremantle, diablo,... Sep 02 18:44:05 freemangordon: :P... i did that.. twice Sep 02 18:44:22 twice times the same error Sep 02 18:44:26 lexik: obviously she doesn;t like you :P Sep 02 18:44:37 probably Sep 02 18:45:45 lexik: what browser? Sep 02 18:47:06 chromium Sep 02 18:47:24 lexik: have mozilla aound? Sep 02 18:47:46 iceweasel Sep 02 18:47:47 it's kinda like my backspace key is broken Sep 02 18:48:12 i will try it with it Sep 02 18:51:12 thats really weird.. extras assistant is looking absolutely differently in firefox than in chromium :D Sep 02 18:51:22 nicer :D Sep 02 18:54:38 lexik: besides looking nicer, does it work? Sep 02 18:54:46 i can move the cursor in ham, but not deleting Sep 02 18:55:10 ... nope. Sep 02 18:55:15 the same error Sep 02 18:55:36 is is caused by browser? Sep 02 18:55:42 lexik: hmm, weird Sep 02 18:55:50 NFC, never seen such an error Sep 02 18:56:03 i can try chrome :/ Sep 02 18:56:52 ah, it works for devel and testing, but not maemo.org. can't delete that 1.3 from fremantle Sep 02 18:57:22 bennypr0fane: wait a bit Sep 02 18:59:20 you mean before Itry to delete 1.3? I waited for more than 5 mins. moving the cursor worled in that time Sep 02 18:59:33 *and also worked Sep 02 18:59:51 bennypr0fane: wait for me to fix the repo :D Sep 02 19:00:53 ok Sep 02 19:01:23 but devel and testing are already good? Sep 02 19:08:09 are there offline maps for america somewhere? i did a bit of searching and could only find europe and india Sep 02 19:30:16 * DocScrutinizer05 starting public technical discussion / hearing, about the fremantle-1.3 issue Sep 02 19:32:52 assumption: fremantle-1.3 repo been invented for whatever reasons during times of PR1.2, to be "safe for future" as a symlink to fremantle repo, and during migration#1/consolidation some funny guy "mirrored" the repo and converted the symlink to a separate unlinked repository dir during the process Sep 02 19:34:49 DocScrutinizer05: actually the real repos are different, but got synced from one and the same source. IIUC Sep 02 19:35:15 my first suggestion been to simply nuke the complete fremantle-1.3 repo, since it's redundant and cruft and serves no particular purpose. But I've been told that flashing gets you fremantle-1.3 repo instead of fremantle repo Sep 02 19:35:28 correct Sep 02 19:36:01 now while this is a brainfart done by somebody in nokia, if it's correct, we now have to deal with it Sep 02 19:37:07 DocScrutinizer05: again, IMO, simply symlinking 1.3 to fremantle on stage will solve that next time a package enters extras. And I will push autobuildertest in extras to make that happen Sep 02 19:37:38 we'll still have lots of wasted HD space, but at least stuff will work Sep 02 19:37:49 further implication: during (or after) consolidation some of the builder/repomanagement scripts obviously got messed up, so now we have dependencies to fremantle-1.3 even in those scripts Sep 02 19:38:57 where from does the wasted HD space come, wehn we effectively nuke freamntle-1.3 and replace it by a symlink? Sep 02 19:40:11 what I anticipate is a mega disaster by repo-management running over the same rapo two times Sep 02 19:40:16 repo even Sep 02 19:41:41 DocScrutinizer05: we'll do that on stage, but not on live Sep 02 19:41:50 what is live? Sep 02 19:42:16 "/var/repository/live", this is what you see when you open http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/ for example Sep 02 19:42:32 so what is stage? Sep 02 19:42:58 and actually, who would want to open fremantle-1.2? Sep 02 19:43:14 could you come up with a better not so fringe case example please? Sep 02 19:43:19 autobuilder puts the packages in incoming, queue manager puts the on stage "/var/repository/stage" and rsync_to_live.sh copies stage to live Sep 02 19:43:28 *them Sep 02 19:43:48 why? Sep 02 19:44:02 NFCm but that is how it works Sep 02 19:44:33 we don't need to rsync from one dir to another dir on same physical and even logical machine, eh? Sep 02 19:44:42 I guess this is a legacy from the times there were lots of "live" servers Sep 02 19:44:58 possibly Sep 02 19:45:12 and those were different machines Sep 02 19:45:31 so first of all we need to nuke that cruft Sep 02 19:45:39 I guess we don;t need to rsync, but that would mean a major rewrite IMO Sep 02 19:45:50 if it's actually nothing else but just an rsync Sep 02 19:46:17 And I'd rather have it working as it is supposed to work before I "fix" it :) Sep 02 19:46:37 rewrite? I think we can simply retire the whole process step Sep 02 19:47:04 maybe Sep 02 19:47:50 or no, I am not sure what will happen while packages.gz etc are being rebuilt Sep 02 19:48:34 ok, actually irrelevant. Why do we keep fremantle-1.3 on live? Sep 02 19:48:38 DocScrutinizer05: but see, the first to do is to fix that 1.3 crap Sep 02 19:49:03 fremantle-1.3 has to go, for good Sep 02 19:49:36 because of the reflash. but ask gregoa or someone who knows repos better than me what will happen if you have the same packages.gz for different distributions Sep 02 19:49:59 then after we eradicated it, we will eventually create a convenience-symlink for those poor users who got fremantle-1.3 in their list of catalogs Sep 02 19:50:00 I have NFC if distribution is included in .gz file Sep 02 19:50:57 see: [2013-09-02 21:32:52] assumption: fremantle-1.3 repo been invented for whatever reasons during times of PR1.2, to be "safe for future" as a symlink to fremantle repo, and during migration#1/consolidation some funny guy "mirrored" the repo and converted the symlink to a separate unlinked repository dir during the process Sep 02 19:51:35 DocScrutinizer05: there are 2 "repos", one is "stage" the other is "live" Sep 02 19:51:49 ^^^ happened on "stage" iiuc Sep 02 19:51:52 verify that assumption, then act accordingly. When it got introduced during consolidation, we can as well nuke it now Sep 02 19:52:38 the only way to verify it is to mv fremantle-1.3 from stage and to symlink fremantle-1.3->fremantle. But won;t do it now, I run out of time Sep 02 19:53:03 or, in other words: if it been a symlink before consolidation then there can't be any problems in making it a symlink again, now Sep 02 19:53:12 DocScrutinizer05: sure Sep 02 19:53:39 actually there are problems now it is not a symlink :) Sep 02 19:53:47 I dunno how it works here, but in SHR we're rsyncing from staging dir to "production" exactly for that reason with rebuilding package lists Sep 02 19:53:59 dos1: :nod: Sep 02 19:54:04 my point exactly Sep 02 19:54:07 and if something breaks during builds, repo is left intact and safe Sep 02 19:54:18 fair point Sep 02 19:55:03 but a rsync would keep symlinks as symlinks, no? Sep 02 19:55:23 DocScrutinizer05: so please, discuss with someone who knows how repos work, to explain if it is possible to have different distributions using one and the same packages.gz file Sep 02 19:55:53 it would, but AFAIR only if you use it with proper options Sep 02 19:56:00 DocScrutinizer05: I guess no, maybe it depends on how is rsync called. and maybe it was hardlink, not symlink Sep 02 19:56:23 sorry, I'm afk now for some RL urgent stuff. I think somebody else has to pick up on where I leave here and now Sep 02 19:56:27 guys, gtg, night, will continue tomorrow Sep 02 19:56:32 :) Sep 02 19:57:05 I can't take care of every single BS char in any single script Sep 02 19:57:30 there are guys much more experiencend than I am, with repositories Sep 02 19:58:12 I don't see the benefit and I don't see any free schedule in my calendar, to manage fremantle-1.3 sanitizing Sep 02 19:58:53 ther are ~45 guys around here who are better qualified to sort this issue Sep 02 19:59:30 if it doesn't get sorted soon, I eventually will simply nuke fremantle-1.3 and wait for the impact Sep 02 20:02:25 meanwhile you could start with checking what in Packages.gz and signature of a repo might be hardlinked to the repo's name (fremantle vs fremantle-1.3) Sep 02 20:03:38 hi DocScrutinizer05... does my repo comparison sorted something? Sep 02 20:04:42 I didn't use it for anything yet, but I hope others will do, soon. Sep 02 20:05:10 you're free to post the link to those files here Sep 02 20:05:24 so everybody willing to help can access them Sep 02 20:05:49 please keep this running without me pushing and coordinating it Sep 02 20:05:56 I cannot do this Sep 02 20:07:05 it would require too much learning about repository management that i'm not an expert, and I have no time to do this, my plate is already filled. Sep 02 20:08:49 so, it's up to the community now to investigate and fix this issue, before in maybe 2 weeks we are forced to simply nuke fremantle-1.3 and nothing been done to mitigate the fallout Sep 02 20:10:37 if you can dig up any historical info why and when fremantle-1.3 got invented, by whom, and based on which rationale, etc. - please by all means speak up here Sep 02 20:26:04 freemangordon: have you seen my repo comparison? Sep 02 20:30:57 xes: no. don't have time now, GF needs my attention :) Sep 02 20:30:57 goldkatze: wb Sep 02 20:31:25 freemangkrdon: NMI ...not masquerable interrupt :) Sep 02 20:36:28 Apic: YOLD 3149? ddate? Sep 02 20:40:56 jr@saturn:~> ddate Sep 02 20:40:57 Today is Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3179 Sep 02 20:47:59 DocScrutinizer05: just googled neo900. We've already got few mentions in Slashdot comments under Elop-as-possible-MS-CEO article and some comments/posts in russian, czech and french forums; facebook post from italian fanpage of N900 owners, few tweets etc. Sep 02 20:49:03 "for this price I can get shiny quad-core phone" theme appeares quite often, but it was easy to predict; there are also some enthusiastic voices (at least that they seem to be enthisiastic via google translate :D) Sep 02 20:49:54 hehe Sep 02 20:50:05 there are some fears coming from ex-Freerunner owners who weren't happy with it Sep 02 20:50:42 at this price you can even get a hooker for 4 weeks to 2 years, in some countries Sep 02 20:50:42 or s/owners/users/ Sep 02 20:51:09 or find somebody to shoot you down Sep 02 20:51:55 I think Neo900 better compared to a hooker than to a quad-core phone Sep 02 20:52:01 ;-) Sep 02 20:52:29 since it neither is a phone, nor has it quad or dual cores Sep 02 20:53:01 let's build better neo900... with hookers! and blackjack! Sep 02 20:53:48 on the other hand, it has a keyboard that can slide in and out, it's only so slightly resistive to touch, and its back is magnetic Sep 02 20:53:51 sounds like hookers to me Sep 02 20:54:50 so for 700EUR you also get: a very nice x86 PC; a full week of booze from morning till whatever time you fail to open your eyes; a gun; a 20kg bag full of really exciting surplus electronics; a case for your iPhone;... meh, gets boring Sep 02 20:56:57 and mips? Sep 02 20:57:05 on a sidenote, today we first time see >10% of voters for >=700 Sep 02 20:57:11 I like paprika mips Sep 02 20:57:59 and we got a rate of ~10% / week for 700-sweetspot Sep 02 20:59:09 looks pretty optimistic too me Sep 02 20:59:57 gathering 200 orders for 700+ will still take some time, but it seems to be doable from those results Sep 02 21:00:09 ack Sep 02 21:01:15 and there were few posts mentioning wish for changing their votes to higher ones Sep 02 21:01:49 obviously next step is: somebody needs to do a rough port of fremantle to a GTA04 and show off some basic icon juggling and a xterm Sep 02 21:02:26 and /me, who failed to notice "complete device" in poll question and voted for what he'd pay at most, even if only for board Sep 02 21:02:43 haha Sep 02 21:03:43 I wonder if more votes could be higher for the same reason Sep 02 21:04:17 some may go higher, some others may go down, after initial excitement Sep 02 21:04:29 yeah Sep 02 21:04:35 I don't give too much about this poll Sep 02 21:05:14 it served it's pupose to attract interest Sep 02 21:05:32 let's hope those who will go down are 1000 EUR and will drop to 700 :D Sep 02 21:05:33 users are eager to vote on polls Sep 02 21:06:09 I see this more like a statistic Sep 02 21:07:03 thus, the >10% are way more exciting to me than the 250 votes total or the 25 votes for >=700 Sep 02 21:07:55 right, I was expecting even higher percentage on the left side that it is now Sep 02 21:08:10 I'm still 'initialy excited', the $500 is MINIMUM which i'm ABLE to pay, when i will see working prototype (with camera (!)) and with some +features i can make some +many and pay 700+... but now, it is just 'poll-about-nothing' Sep 02 21:08:13 and we had this ~10% figure from very beginning, and I notice it's increasing slightly, which tells me I suceed in explaining what this device will be and how much it has to cost Sep 02 21:09:16 i will pay $200 but only if it's got a back glass that GLITTERS Sep 02 21:10:59 when we will have a working prototype, is a fracking good idea to make an kickstarter project where can users offer Neo for better price (that's problem i know..) Sep 02 21:11:33 I'll pay 1337 EUR if it's got ponies everywhere on it! Sep 02 21:12:31 bronies must die Sep 02 21:12:33 we're still sorting out basic feasibility of whole project (Nikolaus still waiting for a N900 to disassemble and investigate), after that's done we will come up with a sort of cowdfunding for the prototypes Sep 02 21:12:39 lexik: some crowdfunding may be needed for producing prototypes, as those are the costliest beasts Sep 02 21:13:33 first guess is ~10k for prototypes Sep 02 21:13:42 hi Sep 02 21:13:54 crowdfunding is the only option ;) Sep 02 21:14:19 or some billionaire TMO user Sep 02 21:14:27 I've been frustrated over some odd bug where xchat will disconnect immediately when reading scrollback containing something evil Sep 02 21:14:47 ooh, again this shit? Sep 02 21:15:03 I thought that got fixed Sep 02 21:15:09 After some experimenting, I found the bad line -- however I'm not sure if submitting it to a bugtracker would be a good idea due to potential abuse Sep 02 21:15:27 it's basically known Sep 02 21:15:33 ok Sep 02 21:15:50 hm Sep 02 21:15:55 we had similar attack some 1 or two years ago Sep 02 21:16:03 wonder where I can submit a report about it then Sep 02 21:16:31 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh Sep 02 21:18:03 # have this rogue string, assuming xchat stopped logging to the file on receiving the string. Sep 02 21:18:21 this is not fully correct, xchat kept running just fine and logged etc Sep 02 21:18:21 hi DocScrutinizer05 Sep 02 21:18:29 only on connect did the issue arise Sep 02 21:18:50 DocScrutinizer05: seems we're close to get shentey into full maintainer role for marble Sep 02 21:19:07 also it seems to search for something vastly different Sep 02 21:19:12 DocScrutinizer05: one last thing i'd like to do is to make him an admin of the marble package so he can promote packages to -testing Sep 02 21:19:40 DocScrutinizer05: either i miss the correct page to manage that or i can't change that on my own? Sep 02 21:19:46 sec Sep 02 21:21:05 FIQ: I didn't say it's a 100% remake of that other attack, I just sayd the hoax is known, based on bugs in utf-8 handling Sep 02 21:21:59 Earthwings: you *should* be able to change other users' permissions in your project Sep 02 21:22:03 on garage Sep 02 21:22:14 DocScrutinizer05: shentey is marked as an admin there already Sep 02 21:22:48 ok Sep 02 21:22:50 hmm, then this is another bug in sync-users-groups.php script Sep 02 21:23:23 the script is known to only propagate new users and new projects, but not correctly forwards changes Sep 02 21:23:34