**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 04 02:59:58 2013
Sep 04 03:31:19 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: nokia appears to still have quite a lot - networking, almost all car navigation systems, and umpteen patents -- might be a share to buy now ;)
Sep 04 03:41:05 <jpinx> or have we missed that boat ? ;)
Sep 04 07:12:04 <XATRIX> Hi i have trouble with calendar events. It seems like i have holidays and birthdays of my skype,icq, etc... contacts in, and they double itself
Sep 04 07:12:23 <XATRIX> For example i have DocScrutinizer05's birthday today
Sep 04 07:12:35 <XATRIX> my calendar shows it twice
Sep 04 08:07:06 <Apic> Good Morning (UGT).
Sep 04 09:14:43 <freemangordon> kerio: how's thymby python?
Sep 04 09:14:47 <freemangordon> thumby*
Sep 04 10:33:29 <kerio> i haven't felt any changes, to be honest
Sep 04 10:33:41 <kerio> i should try modrana actually
Sep 04 10:33:49 <kerio> it's the most intensive python program i know of
Sep 04 10:33:57 <freemangordon> :nod:
Sep 04 10:34:02 <kerio> mh, it could be the benchmark actually
Sep 04 10:34:22 <freemangordon> does it show some values? fps or something?
Sep 04 10:34:46 <kerio> mh, i think it does, actually
Sep 04 10:34:54 <kerio> but i was talking about the general feel of it
Sep 04 11:06:09 <LjL-Alps> Cloud GPS looks fancy
Sep 04 11:17:32 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, I have birthday? HAHA
Sep 04 11:18:54 <kerio> happy birthday docky!
Sep 04 11:19:01 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Sep 04 11:19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> happy hoax-day to XATRIX
Sep 04 11:19:38 <kerio> yeah, it's silly
Sep 04 11:19:50 <kerio> everyone knows you're eternal
Sep 04 11:20:07 <XATRIX> :)
Sep 04 11:20:27 <XATRIX> Are you really reading all the logs on the channel ?
Sep 04 11:20:36 <XATRIX> I asked my question a few hours ago :)
Sep 04 11:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, sure
Sep 04 11:20:45 <kerio> at the very least the nickpings
Sep 04 11:21:43 <LjL-Alps> uhm, i thought something was wrong with the connection between my N900 and my RTLSDR (or not enough power), but now i see that even if i don't connect anything to USB and just leave my cable dangling, when i set "full" or "high" host mode, "lsusb" hangs up for some time. is that normal?
Sep 04 11:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL-Alps: simplified answer: yes
Sep 04 11:33:36 <LjL-Alps> ah
Sep 04 11:37:41 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL-Alps: please do wc -l /usr/sbin/booston
Sep 04 12:39:19 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Sep 04 13:32:56 <Apic> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O18v_0Qn5_8/UB9HTMMS0oI/AAAAAAAABTc/-JXR0z8YbHw/w426-h364/one-question.png
Sep 04 13:36:46 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: please don't spam channel with URLs that neither contain any hint on the topic covered in the URL itself, nor any additional context coming with it in here
Sep 04 13:36:55 <Apic> Okay.
Sep 04 13:36:57 <Apic> Sorry.
Sep 04 13:37:44 <DocScrutinizer05> after all no sane user will click on any such URL
Sep 04 13:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> (of course *some* nerds click every URL they can find, just to find out where to it takes them. Those nerds usually have no problems whatsoever with malware on their PC, since they simply don't care ;-P)
Sep 04 13:40:18 <DocScrutinizer05> for the rest of us, we usually ponder *why* we would want to click on a URL
Sep 04 13:41:30 <DocScrutinizer05> "user Apic posted it to IRC" is frequently not any sufficient justification to visit any website
Sep 04 13:42:37 <Apic> ;-)
Sep 04 13:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: so, what's this URL about?
Sep 04 13:42:57 <Apic> An xkcd Comic Strip
Sep 04 13:43:03 <Apic> About 42 and an Alien.
Sep 04 13:43:23 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, then you should link to the original xkcd page
Sep 04 13:43:31 <Apic> Yes, sorry.
Sep 04 13:43:35 <Apic> Premature Ejaculation.
Sep 04 13:44:13 <DocScrutinizer05> an xkcd URL is self-explanatory and needs no further context
Sep 04 13:44:43 <Apic> Yes.
Sep 04 13:44:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~buntkuh
Sep 04 13:44:45 <infobot> [buntkuh] http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind
Sep 04 13:45:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xkcd
Sep 04 13:45:11 <infobot> it has been said that xkcd is http://xkcd.com/ or only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language.
Sep 04 13:45:21 <Apic> ;-)
Sep 04 13:50:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ld50.png   :-P   even matches context somehow
Sep 04 13:52:18 <dos1> Apic: that's from Cyanide & Happiness, not xkcd :P
Sep 04 13:52:58 <Apic> Oh, I see.
Sep 04 14:18:06 <DocScrutinizer05> hah! I pondered to set up an autoresponder to "may I ask a question?"  -> "yes, one! cya"
Sep 04 14:18:45 <DocScrutinizer05> funny enough that been yesterday when I mused about this
Sep 04 14:19:59 <DocScrutinizer05> actually my conclusion for my own patterns been to always ask: "may I ask 2 questions?"
Sep 04 14:59:06 <SAiF> can any body link to flash player 10 armel.deb?
Sep 04 14:59:56 <SAiF> or is there anything newer that works..
Sep 04 15:01:26 <sixwheeledbeast> SAiF: I don't know if it works but this was linked to recently http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276589&postcount=2221
Sep 04 15:02:34 <sixwheeledbeast> oh and this is the file http://www.mediafire.com/download/6y8x0ob9g8p7khw/adobe-flashplayer-10.deb
Sep 04 15:02:54 <kerio> :s
Sep 04 15:03:00 <kerio> isn't there a more legit link?
Sep 04 15:03:07 <kerio> and yeah, it works
Sep 04 15:03:15 <kerio> it's legit
Sep 04 15:03:27 <SAiF> the mediafire one works,, the other one doesnt.
Sep 04 15:03:34 <SAiF> Thanks
Sep 04 15:04:22 <sixwheeledbeast> I believe you follow the instruction on the first link with the file from mediafire
Sep 04 15:04:48 <SAiF> sure thanks
Sep 04 15:05:37 <LauRoman> will maemo automount fat16 formatted cards?
Sep 04 15:06:05 <SAiF> unable to fetch some archives... hexedit
Sep 04 15:12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/hexedit/
Sep 04 17:26:49 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05, sorry for not following up earlier but my connection started acting up and then i had to leave for return from holidays."wc -l /usr/sbin/booston" gives 110, it's the modified booston you posted on the rtlsdr thread
Sep 04 18:01:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Sep 04 18:07:47 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL: you might want to augment your /etc/mce/mce.ini to include a LED pattern for vboost
Sep 04 18:08:21 <DocScrutinizer05> then the indicator LED will show if your USB is providing 5V power or not
Sep 04 18:25:47 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05: hm i think it's providing the power, because the hub i used has a led, and that led lights up, and so does the led in my rtlsdr dongle for that matter
Sep 04 19:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, just saying
Sep 04 19:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> also just saying: hubs are not always helpful. for example the non-powered ones claim 500mA from host and only provide 100mA to each of 4 downstream ports
Sep 04 19:10:23 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05: ah, mine is probably like that, has 4 ports. now i'm back home and i can go buy an OTG cable (although i don't think they're very common around stores, maybe best to ebay)
Sep 04 19:20:56 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: why the hell does ubuntu 13 feel the need to enable transparencies and other crap when running live from usb on a fucking netbook?
Sep 04 19:22:45 <kerio> also, why the hell did i run this instead of systemrescuecd?
Sep 04 19:24:19 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: they do enumerate, though
Sep 04 19:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: who does what?
Sep 04 19:25:53 <kerio> hubs
Sep 04 19:25:58 <kerio> even non-powered ones
Sep 04 19:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> friggin "broken" hubs?
Sep 04 19:26:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, but they don't "work"
Sep 04 19:26:24 <kerio> 100mA for hub, 100mA for mouse
Sep 04 19:26:30 <kerio> :3
Sep 04 19:26:38 <kerio> ^- that's the face of the mouse
Sep 04 19:26:45 <kerio> because it has enough energy to work, hopefully
Sep 04 19:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly we had to patch out code in musb-hdrc that explicitly disallowed hubs for OTG
Sep 04 19:27:09 <kerio> why would they do that? :s
Sep 04 19:27:10 <DocScrutinizer05> to make it work at all with H-E-N
Sep 04 19:27:27 <kerio> hell, a powered hub would be amazing with OTG
Sep 04 19:27:31 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: because OTG is NOT a host
Sep 04 19:27:49 <kerio> ...is OTG *this* big of a joke?
Sep 04 19:27:52 <kerio> no hub support?
Sep 04 19:27:54 <DocScrutinizer05> true OTG is not even meant to work as a host
Sep 04 19:28:18 <DocScrutinizer05> OTG is strictly designed to work between two OTG devices
Sep 04 19:28:49 <kerio> isn't it supposed to work between my fancy phone and a usb drive?
Sep 04 19:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and both devices have a whitelist of peers they allow to work with
Sep 04 19:29:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hubs however are on a explicit blacklist
Sep 04 19:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> which we patched out in hostmode kernel, as well as the whitelist check
Sep 04 19:30:06 <DocScrutinizer05> still doesn't mean H-E-N works just fine with all sorts of hubs
Sep 04 19:30:25 <DocScrutinizer05> heck, not even normal USB hosts work fine with all sorts of hubs
Sep 04 19:30:38 <kerio> well, we can be sure that once a hub enumerates and works, it'll do what a hub is supposed to do, right?
Sep 04 19:30:53 <DocScrutinizer05> err, prolly yes
Sep 04 19:31:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and powered hubs are supposed to enum to host as "powered" and not require any much power from host, just as little as a few ampere
Sep 04 19:32:56 <DocScrutinizer05> and *host* is supposed to take notice of the fact that hub is powered and thus has to allow enum of devices according to what the HUB can provide on downstream ports (usually 500mA / port)
Sep 04 19:33:27 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless the ENUM happens between host and peripheral, not between HUB and peripheral
Sep 04 19:33:38 <kerio> can usb enumerate more than 500mA?
Sep 04 19:33:50 <kerio> *enumerate for more
Sep 04 19:37:52 <ecc3g> speaking of hubs, anyone seen a hub that doesn't seem to hook +5V straight to the downstream ports?  Seems most cheap hubs are this way...
Sep 04 19:39:04 <kerio> ecc3g: meh, why wouldn't they?
Sep 04 19:41:00 <ecc3g> should have a fuse at least...
Sep 04 19:41:11 <kerio> yolo
Sep 04 19:41:26 <kerio> especially since you're not the poor sod who's going to *use* the hub
Sep 04 19:41:27 <ecc3g> thought most normal host ports can even shut down power if desired as well.
Sep 04 19:43:02 <ecc3g> is it in the spec for a host controller to selectively shut off power for hub ports downstream?
Sep 04 19:49:27 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: (500) no
Sep 04 19:50:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ecc3g: most cheap hubs have just a common +5V rail for all downstream ports. Better hubs however may switch and even monitor current of each port
Sep 04 19:51:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ecc3g: it's in the spec, sort of. But optional
Sep 04 19:51:59 <DocScrutinizer05> on "normal PC" windows does, but linux doesn't
Sep 04 19:52:08 <ecc3g> ah okay.  I have not seen any "better" hubs, they're all "cheap" so I was wondering :)
Sep 04 19:52:12 <DocScrutinizer05> for host ports
Sep 04 20:11:28 <Luke-Jr> What does "SIM card rejected" mean? :p
Sep 04 20:18:31 <SpeedEvil> IMSI bar?
Sep 04 20:18:48 <SpeedEvil> Do you get ti when there is no signal - or is it after contacting the network
Sep 04 20:47:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: depends on the context I guess
Sep 04 22:07:54 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: can you manually turn off a port on a compatible hub on linux? or is it nonstandard?
Sep 04 22:08:14 <DocScrutinizer05> err, I dunno
Sep 04 22:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess the command on low level protocol is standard, though optional
Sep 04 22:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno if and how this command is exposed on libusb et al API 
Sep 04 22:24:16 <handaxe>   /quit,
Sep 04 23:17:24 <Luke-Jr> SpeedEvil: at boot
Sep 04 23:18:03 <SpeedEvil> Luke-Jr: eyah - i'm wondering if iut's coming from the network or not
Sep 04 23:18:49 <Luke-Jr> I suspect it's some kind of CDMA2000 SIM
Sep 04 23:27:24 <ShadowJK> There's a /sys invocation that can switch power per port
Sep 04 23:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> obvious
Sep 04 23:37:39 <Luke-Jr> ShadowJK: but 99% of ports don't support it
Sep 04 23:37:41 <Luke-Jr> hubs*
Sep 04 23:38:30 <ShadowJK> yes
Sep 04 23:39:11 <ShadowJK> There's a new craze on ebay $1 hubs
Sep 04 23:39:32 <ShadowJK> It's a proper circuit board, but all the components have been removed and replaced with solder blobs
Sep 04 23:40:13 <ShadowJK> it doesn't work, except for stupid shit like usb led lights or whatever
Sep 04 23:43:58 <SpeedEvil> hah
Sep 04 23:44:03 <SpeedEvil> Really?
Sep 04 23:44:42 <SpeedEvil> i wonder if that's the exporter getting screwed by the factory
Sep 04 23:46:40 <ShadowJK> Could be. the case has been semitranslucent, and the picture has showed the board populated
Sep 05 00:14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Sep 05 00:14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome ripp-off
Sep 05 00:15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> link?
Sep 05 00:16:38 <DocScrutinizer05> if it wasn't for the shipping, it probably still was worth the money
Sep 05 00:17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, I wouldn't bother to package shit for $1
Sep 05 00:17:55 <DocScrutinizer05> the package itself is more expensive
Sep 05 00:18:56 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole thing still makes for a great charger plug multiplier
Sep 05 00:48:49 <DrCode> hi all
Sep 05 00:50:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hi
Sep 05 00:54:03 <DrCode> can i had two mail widget for two mail accout?
Sep 05 00:55:19 <mashina> neo900 sounds crazy and too ambitious
Sep 05 00:55:36 <mashina> i can see replacement mobo reujsing perpherials and case
Sep 05 00:55:57 <mashina> but booting stovk imahes with modem and nolo and shit is too silly
Sep 05 00:56:24 <mashina> sorry typing on n900
Sep 05 01:00:05 <DrCode> I hope that will be new phone like n900 with update hardware,its the best phone I had
Sep 05 01:00:48 <Macer> wow. hell of a chemical fire 
Sep 05 01:00:53 <Macer>  http://www.kitguru.net/components/memory/faith/hynix-fabs-on-fire-after-chemical-explosion/
Sep 05 01:01:02 <mashina> id love a good slider with modern specs and a good os (not android)
Sep 05 01:01:09 <Macer> dram prices went up 10% in the first hour lol
Sep 05 01:01:15 <mashina> but neo900 is a bad execution
Sep 05 01:01:33 <Macer> mashina: sliders are nearly impossible to find
Sep 05 01:01:37 <Macer> good ones especially
Sep 05 01:01:40 <Macer> maybe ms will make one lol
Sep 05 01:01:52 <Macer> nokia lumia 1420 Pro
Sep 05 01:01:53 <Macer> heh
Sep 05 01:02:08 <mashina> id switch to wp
Sep 05 01:02:13 <mashina> i kinda like kt too
Sep 05 01:02:29 <mashina> but i need xmpp, osm, ir, ssh, and a browser
Sep 05 01:02:42 <mashina> also nokia rape via elop was dick move
Sep 05 01:02:53 <mashina> and id miss a real jnix fast
Sep 05 01:03:52 <Macer> yah me too
Sep 05 01:03:53 <Macer> heh
Sep 05 01:03:57 <Macer> you can install IM+ ;)
Sep 05 01:04:06 <Macer> although the ssh client is kind of a pain
Sep 05 01:04:26 <Macer> since it multitasks like ios
Sep 05 01:04:49 <mashina> android multitasking is brain dead but wp and ios are prdictably shitty
Sep 05 01:04:59 <mashina> unlike android random slaughter
Sep 05 01:05:01 <Macer> well... it isn't real true multitasking
Sep 05 01:05:02 <Macer> heh
Sep 05 01:05:22 <Macer> timed background services with front ends
Sep 05 01:05:35 <Macer> ssh wasn't too bad so long as you set your shell up to auto start screen
Sep 05 01:05:51 <Macer> and detatch/reattach the screen upon connect
Sep 05 01:06:01 <Macer> other than that i honestly didn't have a problem with my wp7.5 phone
Sep 05 01:06:07 <Macer> that and no qwerty :(
Sep 05 01:06:10 <mashina> tmux >screen
Sep 05 01:06:24 <Macer> yah. tmux is ok. i just use screen. they both work just fine
Sep 05 01:06:55 <Macer> i had to use tmux on my synology because screen kept dying for whatever reason 
Sep 05 01:07:15 <Macer> now i'm running a beastly freenas box so i don't have to worry about such things anymore heh
Sep 05 01:08:20 <Macer> but if i can't use an n900 or if for whatever reason i no longer have one i'll take the nokia/ms route heh
Sep 05 01:08:25 <Macer> vs android or ios
Sep 05 01:08:39 <Macer> blackberry is all but dead. even tho. i wouldn't mind a q10 heh
Sep 05 01:09:04 <mashina> but bbos!
Sep 05 01:10:18 <Macer> heh
Sep 05 01:10:41 <Macer> bbos = symbia n
Sep 05 01:11:03 <beford> If you do video encoding, you need a GPU.
Sep 05 01:11:05 <Macer> awesome os but nobody wants it anymore if it costs more than $150
Sep 05 01:11:07 <beford> er, wrong channel
Sep 05 01:11:45 <Macer> i like the direction ms is taking with their stuff tho. 
Sep 05 01:12:09 <Macer> they are making everything look professional again
Sep 05 01:12:12 <mashina> i want opennes
Sep 05 01:12:33 <Macer> so i am sure companies will swap to that route vs iphones in the years to come
Sep 05 01:12:47 <Macer> there is no such thing
Sep 05 01:12:57 <Macer> ask the guys here lol
Sep 05 01:13:19 <Macer> the big problem isnt the software. it is the hardware side
Sep 05 01:13:46 <Macer> there is no such thing as real open hardware that is readily available
Sep 05 01:15:06 <mashina> open hardware for the masses
Sep 05 01:41:45 <DocScrutinizer05> mashina: uhuh!
Sep 05 01:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> too silly?
Sep 05 01:42:14 <DocScrutinizer05> you assuming we'd need NOLO to boot maemo is silly
Sep 05 01:44:42 <DrCode> is there new hardware phone like n900 with same wifi hw?
Sep 05 01:46:15 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Sep 05 01:47:18 <DrCode> i also use n900 for monitor mode
Sep 05 01:47:21 <quackquack> "<mashina> open hardware for the masses" i am working on it.
Sep 05 01:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> mashina: maemo got booted on e.g. zoom, do you think they used NOLO?
Sep 05 01:47:55 <quackquack> i am trying to rewrite the x-loader and replace u-boot/nolo with coreboot.
Sep 05 01:48:04 <quackquack> as of now there is no progress.
Sep 05 01:48:24 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if it's already Friday
Sep 05 01:48:24 <quackquack> i will update when i am done with something atleast.
Sep 05 01:49:50 <quackquack> as of now i been just reading the pdfs
Sep 05 01:50:20 <DocScrutinizer05> quackquack: what you're telling?
Sep 05 01:50:45 <quackquack> DocScrutinizer05, i am porting coreboot to n900.
Sep 05 01:50:57 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah! nice :-9
Sep 05 01:51:06 <DocScrutinizer05> :-) even
Sep 05 01:51:32 <quackquack> first step is reading all those gigantic documents.... thanks to TI for making them available unlike other vendors.
Sep 05 01:51:37 <quackquack> DocScrutinizer05, :-)
Sep 05 01:52:17 <quackquack> i cant comment on when i will finish it. but expect a little (long time) while before i do something productive.
Sep 05 01:52:43 <DocScrutinizer05> you know about omapwiki stuff?
Sep 05 01:53:05 <quackquack> yep. xvilka told me he will help me with whatever way he can.
Sep 05 01:53:33 <DocScrutinizer05> omapedia actually
Sep 05 01:53:38 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project
Sep 05 01:53:41 <quackquack> plus i am planning to run DPA so i can sniff the e-fuse and read the keys.
Sep 05 01:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> might help
Sep 05 01:53:47 <quackquack> yes i did.
Sep 05 01:54:28 <quackquack> http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography
Sep 05 01:54:30 <quackquack> DocScrutinizer05, 
Sep 05 01:54:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not sure if you even would *want* to replace x-loader
Sep 05 01:54:53 <quackquack> using DPA we can read the keys.
Sep 05 01:55:05 <quackquack> adventure.
Sep 05 01:55:31 <quackquack> else i will go to BL2 since nokia n900 is not heavily firewalled like blackberry playbook. 
Sep 05 01:55:48 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway as soon as you patch x-loader or rebuild it, aiui you need to sign it with the chip specific key again
Sep 05 01:56:02 <quackquack> a nolo replacement is possible ...
Sep 05 01:56:06 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Sep 05 01:56:17 <DocScrutinizer05> x-loader - not
Sep 05 01:56:27 <quackquack> yes its a headache for me to rebuild
Sep 05 01:56:51 <quackquack> well right now i am just reading tonnes of omap3430 materials
Sep 05 01:56:57 <DocScrutinizer05> even if you can rebuild it, I doubt you can make ROMBOOT load and execute it
Sep 05 01:57:09 <DocScrutinizer05> on N900
Sep 05 01:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> N900, though it doesn't show, is a HS device
Sep 05 01:57:26 <quackquack> its been done for droid
Sep 05 01:57:35 <quackquack> i know
Sep 05 01:58:00 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui you need proper signature on x-loader or device won't boot
Sep 05 01:58:12 <quackquack> http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain
Sep 05 01:58:22 <quackquack> yes.
Sep 05 01:58:36 <quackquack> DPA will help me obtain the signature and et al.
Sep 05 01:58:54 <quackquack> i cant comment anything right now.
Sep 05 01:58:58 <quackquack> but i am trying.
Sep 05 01:59:02 <DocScrutinizer05> cool shit
Sep 05 01:59:18 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Sep 05 01:59:27 <quackquack> little knowledge i possess is dangerous.
Sep 05 01:59:53 <quackquack> let me learn the basics and then see how we can modify it.
Sep 05 02:00:02 <DocScrutinizer05> go for Neo900, it's true open hardware, no HS device ;-D
Sep 05 02:00:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 
Sep 05 02:00:42 <quackquack> DocScrutinizer05, you heard of SCA?
Sep 05 02:00:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Sep 05 02:01:41 <quackquack> side channel attack
Sep 05 02:02:37 <quackquack> the real problem will be making it boot
Sep 05 02:03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> lolwut? you're running a side channel exploit against omap HS infra?
Sep 05 02:03:31 <quackquack> or the RTOS execute coreboot instead of x-loader.
Sep 05 02:03:33 <quackquack> xD
Sep 05 02:04:07 <quackquack> http://siliconpr0n.org/nolink/e186c30b40ba0e3f/black/black_securid__ns50u_semipol/ DocScrutinizer05 
Sep 05 02:04:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL
Sep 05 02:04:44 <quackquack> some dude is teaching me technique to strip off the cpu and read the code under an electron microscope.
Sep 05 02:05:00 <quackquack> thats the picture of rsa secure id he is working on.
Sep 05 02:05:16 <quackquack> i am pretty sure these guys will soon crack it.
Sep 05 02:05:34 <quackquack> http://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start
Sep 05 02:05:38 <quackquack> good luck.
Sep 05 02:06:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Sep 05 02:07:38 <quackquack> if SCA and DPA fails?
Sep 05 02:07:45 <quackquack> then only i go to that final step.
Sep 05 02:08:08 <quackquack> stripping off the CPU layers and then finally read the efuse under electron microscope.
Sep 05 02:08:28 <quackquack> i hope SCA/DPA will not force me to go that extreme.
Sep 05 02:08:42 <quackquack> :-)
Sep 05 02:21:04 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome
Sep 05 02:21:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=physical_protection  <-- also awesome
Sep 05 02:46:55 <DocScrutinizer05> God, the downside of constant work overload: when you got a 60 minutes without anything happening, you die from boredom
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