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Sep 06 08:38:30 <Vibe> hi
Sep 06 08:39:17 <Vibe> how I can choose on n900 to what wlan to connect automatically?
Sep 06 08:43:55 <Pali> Vibe: in settings open internet connection and set here auto connect
Sep 06 08:48:20 <Vibe> Pali: hmm cant find autoconnect anywhere
Sep 06 09:30:52 <Pali> Vibe: in settings these is interet connection button
Sep 06 09:31:12 <Pali> and there is checkbox for auto scan/connect wifi networks
Sep 06 09:31:24 <Pali> (with configurable minute timeout)
Sep 06 09:45:15 <Macer> so
Sep 06 09:45:24 <Macer> for the distrivution
Sep 06 09:45:35 <Macer> do we put fremantle-13?
Sep 06 09:45:50 <Macer> ~repo
Sep 06 09:45:51 <infobot> The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications
Sep 06 09:46:01 <Macer> uhm
Sep 06 09:55:36 <Macer> so it is just extras that should use fremantle-1.3 for the distribution?
Sep 06 09:55:42 <Macer> or all maemo.org repos?
Sep 06 09:56:47 <Macer> and does this mean the non maemo.org repos (merlin's) will be eliminated?
Sep 06 10:00:46 <merlin1991> Macer: my repo will stay up
Sep 06 10:01:04 <merlin1991> and yep technically you should use fremantle-1.3 on extras, but in the end you can simply use fremantle
Sep 06 10:02:45 <Macer> ok
Sep 06 10:02:47 <Macer> thanks
Sep 06 10:03:13 <Macer> i was just installing sociality and needed newer q-extras and libqjson
Sep 06 10:03:21 <Macer> too bad nobody is working on it
Sep 06 10:03:29 <Macer> fb chat is borked in it as well
Sep 06 10:03:36 <Macer> guess fb changed their stuff
Sep 06 10:03:46 <Macer> so telepathy/conversations is broken
Sep 06 10:03:48 <Vibe> Pali: it doesn't have :o
Sep 06 10:04:10 <Macer> quite a few xmpp clients dont seem to work with it
Sep 06 10:05:23 <Macer> too bad
Sep 06 10:05:28 <Macer> looks like an awesome fb client heh
Sep 06 10:05:31 <Pali> Viber: open application menu --> settings -> internet connection: and there choose "connect automatically" and select WLAN and choose some interval
Sep 06 10:05:47 <Pali> this option is *there* I looked right now on my n900
Sep 06 10:13:05 <Macer> damn. sociality is such a good client
Sep 06 17:36:04 <ShadowJK> So I did wonder how mozilla/firefox would get boot-to-gecko usable on 256M ram
Sep 06 17:36:14 <ShadowJK> Now I know from first hand experience, they didn't
Sep 06 17:42:33 <beford> :) what phone did you test?
Sep 06 17:43:42 <ShadowJK> zte open
Sep 06 17:43:52 <beford> I've got a keon with 512 MB of RAM and can only imagine the terrible it could be with 256
Sep 06 17:44:12 <ShadowJK> There are basic issues like some webpages not being either scrollable or zoomable
Sep 06 17:44:39 <ShadowJK> and the now-common website "This page uses cookies, click here to accept" popups can't be dismissed and cover up the screen :)
Sep 06 18:19:20 <zacharias> Hey, folks.  I just installed CSSU-thumb and now hildon-desktop keeps segfaulting.
Sep 06 18:20:00 <freemangordon> opent xterm and check /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transittions.ini
Sep 06 18:20:05 <freemangordon> *open
Sep 06 18:20:45 <zacharias> Grmpf.  There's none.  I made a backup of mine before updating…
Sep 06 18:21:05 <freemangordon> zacharias: it is "transitions.ini", I mistyped it
Sep 06 18:21:32 <freemangordon> zacharias: do apt-get install --reinstall hildon-desktop
Sep 06 18:21:51 <freemangordon> and choose "use maintainer..." when asked
Sep 06 18:23:20 <zacharias> Aaah, thank you very much.
Sep 06 18:23:36 <zacharias> Everything back to normal, AFAICT.
Sep 06 18:23:58 <freemangordon> zacharias: make sure you don't have "cssu-transitions-whatever" and similar crap installed
Sep 06 18:24:42 <freemangordon> those are not updated since long ago and are incompatible with hidon-desktop for a while
Sep 06 18:26:07 <zacharias> freemangordon: Nope, none there.
Sep 06 18:26:30 <zacharias> freemangordon: Many thanks!
Sep 06 18:27:23 <freemangordon> zacharias: np
Sep 06 18:27:39 <sixwheeledbeast> or theme-customizer 
Sep 06 18:27:48 <freemangordon> yeah, that one too
Sep 06 19:15:54 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370626&postcount=101
Sep 06 19:20:07 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, his fault?
Sep 06 19:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> nah!!
Sep 06 19:20:36 <DocScrutinizer05> just pointing you at the location where I last seen his name
Sep 06 19:20:49 <DocScrutinizer05> seems ok
Sep 06 19:21:08 <DocScrutinizer05> judging by his projects
Sep 06 19:28:48 <qwazix> :nod:
Sep 06 21:17:40 <wotan147> people I try to compile a QT application in command line for maemo5 from ubuntu
Sep 06 21:17:49 <wotan147> it says Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC(linux-g++-maemo5) after trying:
Sep 06 21:18:07 <wotan147>   /usr/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs
Sep 06 21:18:16 <wotan147>  the thing is that the Nokia SDK is not installed int this place but I don't know how to change this settings
Sep 06 21:18:21 <wotan147> anyone an idea?
Sep 06 22:31:24 <dos1> DocScrutinizer05: from translated comment about Neo900 on some russian site:
Sep 06 22:31:46 <dos1> "I want, I want, where to write so I got? the link to the maemo.org registration is closed: ( "
Sep 06 22:33:01 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Sep 06 22:33:16 <DocScrutinizer05> he couldn't do much with his tmo registration either
Sep 06 22:34:33 <dos1> http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=37838
Sep 06 22:35:10 <dos1> 114 comments
Sep 06 22:36:49 <dos1> of course most of them flaming about "why not SGS/Android" or N900/Linux phones in general
Sep 06 22:37:13 <DocScrutinizer05> as usual
Sep 06 22:38:50 <DocScrutinizer05> when you give them a pimped up VW beetle, they ask "why not a rolls royce"
Sep 06 22:38:53 <dos1> I wonder about all those negative opinions about N900s stability as a daily phone
Sep 06 22:39:15 <dos1> they make me want to shout "try using Freerunner instead!" :D
Sep 06 22:39:46 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, those are idiots who want a phone where you can mess with everything but nothing has any consequence
Sep 06 22:40:08 <dos1> right
Sep 06 22:41:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm using N900 as a daily phone since, err 4 years now? And I never faced any reliability problems
Sep 06 22:41:41 <dos1> recently I noticed that almost all of most annoying sw bugs on my gta02 were in fact introduced by myself when I last played with the OS few months ago...
Sep 06 22:42:02 <DocScrutinizer05> usual
Sep 06 22:42:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and common
Sep 06 22:43:57 <dos1> it smelled fishy that it lost date on every restart... I knew that RTC battery is borked, so I automaticaly attributed it to that
Sep 06 22:44:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and almost a familiar effect, though I don't want to start rants now
Sep 06 22:44:34 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, only when you remove the main battery
Sep 06 22:45:08 <dos1> yeah... now I realise that... after enabling hwclock.sh initscript :D
Sep 06 22:45:22 <DocScrutinizer05> the PCF50533 should power the cmos clock from main as long as available
Sep 06 22:45:30 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Sep 06 22:45:48 <dos1> I wonder why the hell I have disabled that at the first place
Sep 06 22:46:14 <dos1> I recall playing with bootchart and trying to speed up booting a bit... it might be that ;)
Sep 06 22:46:33 <ShadowJK> lol
Sep 06 22:46:50 <ShadowJK> For me, "every restart" is once or twice a month
Sep 06 22:47:16 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: just make sure that a) it doesn't use adjfile and b) you don't call it on system shutdown
Sep 06 22:47:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: same here
Sep 06 22:47:57 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032# uptime
Sep 06 22:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05>  00:47    16 Tage  7:41 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,11, 0,06, 0,01
Sep 06 22:49:47 <dos1> with lots of small annoying bugs like that, sometimes it was faster to just reboot when I actually wanted to use a phone :P
Sep 06 22:50:40 <dos1> most of them were either created by me, or already fixed for a long time, but for some reason I had versions without fixes
Sep 06 22:51:36 <dos1> for last few days, since I finally took care of it, it's been pretty stable
Sep 06 22:52:19 <ShadowJK> If you want slow, I just obtained a firefoxos phone ;-)
Sep 06 22:52:47 <dos1> I have a Freerunner
Sep 06 22:52:53 <dos1> I don't think you can beat that :)
Sep 06 22:53:17 <dos1> well, maybe if you put firefox os ON freerunner...
Sep 06 22:53:37 <ShadowJK> lol
Sep 06 22:53:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ask microsoft, they offer a OS for every usecase that's always just enough to make the system slow
Sep 06 22:54:11 <ShadowJK> Actually, some websites are faster on the firefox phone, but for my usual morning breakfast routing "Read the news sites", it's way slower
Sep 06 22:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> when you get faster hardware, just ask them for an update
Sep 06 22:54:21 <ShadowJK> routine*
Sep 06 22:55:09 <dos1> but well... gta02 performance issues made openmoko distros to be amazingly fast on anything more modern
Sep 06 22:55:31 <dos1> on n900 SHR was booting in few seconds when I played with it :D
Sep 06 22:56:51 <dos1> and boot time dramatically improved even on gta02 since that... I wonder how (and if) it works now on N900
Sep 06 22:57:23 <ShadowJK> heh
Sep 06 22:57:52 <ShadowJK> "Time to load news.bbc.co.uk" used to be a measure of performance I personally used
Sep 06 22:58:31 <dos1> does using links on gta02 count? :)
Sep 06 22:59:06 <ShadowJK> no :)
Sep 06 22:59:41 <dos1> i dunno if i have any other browser there right now :D
Sep 06 23:01:07 <dos1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI
Sep 06 23:01:25 <dos1> good old times...
Sep 06 23:09:00 <DocScrutinizer05> actually SHR is awesome, in a certain way
Sep 06 23:10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> now teach it to zeroclock and it might become usable ;-)
Sep 06 23:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> that suspend-to-ram nonsense been evil dark legacy from S3C2442 times
Sep 06 23:11:10 <DocScrutinizer05> even S3C2410
Sep 06 23:11:29 <dos1> what would be needed to teach it that? just making sure that nothing is hogging cpu when idle?
Sep 06 23:11:50 <DocScrutinizer05> err yup, basically. Plus a few kernel patches iirc
Sep 06 23:12:03 <DocScrutinizer05> NOTICK one of them
Sep 06 23:12:17 <dos1> disabling suspend is just a one change in one config file
Sep 06 23:12:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you need to have a look at freq-governor
Sep 06 23:13:55 <DocScrutinizer05> and get the TI OMAP kernel patches
Sep 06 23:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> though iirc larsc(?) said you're already using PM kernel
Sep 06 23:16:35 <ShadowJK> the s3c64xx datasheet atleast makes it look like a chip not very suitable for cellphones
Sep 06 23:17:02 <dos1> DocScrutinizer05: current meta-smartphone has this one: https://github.com/shr-distribution/linux/tree/nokia900/2.6.37/57.1
Sep 06 23:18:49 <dos1> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
Sep 06 23:20:04 <dos1> same for gta04 (om-gta04/3.4/master branch)
Sep 06 23:21:15 <DocScrutinizer05> uname? PM?
Sep 06 23:22:39 <dos1> dunno how to check that without the devices
Sep 06 23:23:37 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Sep 06 23:23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> grep your #om-devel chanlog
Sep 06 23:25:01 <dos1> "see PM", "check PM", "you should PM me" :)
Sep 06 23:25:36 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Sep 06 23:27:16 <DocScrutinizer05> can you search regex? then maybe something like linux.*PM could help
Sep 06 23:28:01 <DocScrutinizer05> or GNU/Linux
Sep 06 23:28:10 <DocScrutinizer05> armv7l
Sep 06 23:28:44 <dos1> Linux om-gta04 3.4.9 #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 13 00:07:03 CET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
Sep 06 23:28:50 <dos1> Linux nokia900 2.6.37 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 3 10:48:32 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
Sep 06 23:29:11 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Sep 06 23:29:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm absolutely sure somebody mentioned PM kernel, since I wondered if he meant MP
Sep 06 23:31:54 <dos1> I dunno, I don't know much about what was happening recently (something like past year), especially about n900 or gta04
Sep 06 23:31:55 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe just ask your kernel dudes
Sep 06 23:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope we'll reach the 300 votes this weekend
Sep 06 23:35:15 <dos1> fix registration and you'll get some russian votes :D
Sep 06 23:36:08 <DocScrutinizer05> seen http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372405&postcount=107 ?
Sep 06 23:37:21 <dos1> I've seen it, but people coming via links straight into neo900 thread probably haven't and won't
Sep 06 23:37:40 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Sep 06 23:38:00 <dos1> maybe put static page with link to it in place of register.php? :D
Sep 06 23:38:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I might fix the register.php to include a link to that post
Sep 06 23:38:14 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
Sep 06 23:40:33 <dos1> ok, going to sleep, i'll try to research that kernel pm thingy tomorrow
Sep 06 23:40:34 <dos1> gn
Sep 06 23:44:02 <DocScrutinizer05> done
Sep 06 23:44:13 <DocScrutinizer05> gn dos1
Sep 07 01:03:39 <jon_y> hi, is there a way to not charge if connected by USB?
Sep 07 01:03:47 <jon_y> my USB port doesn't have enough power
Sep 07 01:56:47 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Sep 07 01:57:00 <DocScrutinizer05> stop bme
Sep 07 01:57:16 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: how?
Sep 07 01:57:20 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly... your usb port hasn't enough power?
Sep 07 01:57:27 <jon_y> yeah, weird
Sep 07 01:57:31 <DocScrutinizer05> stop bme; ;-)
Sep 07 01:57:40 <jon_y> just type "stop bme"?
Sep 07 01:57:55 <jon_y> I really have no idea where bme comes in
Sep 07 01:57:59 <jon_y> ~bme
Sep 07 01:58:01 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME
Sep 07 01:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Sep 07 01:58:24 <DocScrutinizer05> and don't forget to press <enter> ;-D
Sep 07 01:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, you probably should type "root" first
Sep 07 01:58:49 <jon_y> ok :)
Sep 07 01:59:26 <DocScrutinizer05> start bem; #to revert
Sep 07 01:59:31 <DocScrutinizer05> err bme*
Sep 07 01:59:58 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/a8560d8961
Sep 07 02:01:12 <jon_y> cool it connected
Sep 07 02:16:37 <ShadowJK> jon_y, everything working out for you?
Sep 07 02:17:11 <jon_y> ShadowJK: yes
Sep 07 02:17:34 <jon_y> windows decided the primary route was the n900 usb-net and kicked me off the internet :(
Sep 07 02:18:24 <ShadowJK> lol :)
Sep 07 02:19:38 <jon_y> great, n900 thinks localtime is GMT-4
Sep 07 02:19:42 <jon_y> how do I change that?
Sep 07 02:23:07 <jon_y> ShadowJK: any ideas?
Sep 07 02:23:55 <ShadowJK> settings - date and time ?
Sep 07 02:24:13 <jon_y> cannot set the timezone there
Sep 07 02:25:07 <jon_y> the timezone option seem blacked out
Sep 07 02:26:10 <ShadowJK> wtf
Sep 07 02:27:06 <jon_y> ShadowJK: seems settable if I unselect "Update automatically"
Sep 07 02:27:26 <ShadowJK> ah
Sep 07 02:28:25 <jon_y> I wonder why you can't set the timezone if it is automatic?
Sep 07 02:29:08 * jon_y off for awhile
Sep 07 02:29:12 <ShadowJK> Presumably the timezone plus time gets set by oeprator in "automatic" mode
Sep 07 02:29:33 <ShadowJK> I remember this happening when I went to sweden, the clock automagically switched timezones as I crossed the border
Sep 07 02:29:35 <jon_y> I don't have a sim attached
Sep 07 02:29:46 <jon_y> I guess that's why
Sep 07 02:29:55 <ShadowJK> Oh, welll "update automatically" is totally useless for you then
Sep 07 02:30:16 <jon_y> cool, nice to know it actually reads the sim operator data
Sep 07 02:30:30 <jon_y> or whatever provider is in the area
Sep 07 02:39:10 <Macer> hello
Sep 07 02:39:17 <Macer> looks like fb xmpp is totally borked heh
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