**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 07 02:59:59 2013 Sep 07 03:07:04 not as you crossed the boarder but the moment you roamed to a local GSM network Sep 07 03:07:51 GSM networks indeed usually send time and some extremely weird representation of timezone Sep 07 03:08:16 some do non-standard Sep 07 03:08:24 some do not send at all Sep 07 03:09:06 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how "update automatically" can even be set when no SIM present Sep 07 03:09:44 Yeah, "cross border" is kinda fuzzy Sep 07 03:10:34 but actually "update automaticaly" is enabled even when no SIM Sep 07 03:10:51 Most of Haparanda (Sweden), including Ikea has excellent .fi cellphone operator signals :) Sep 07 03:11:43 That place just weirds me out. It's like the exact reverse of where I live. Sep 07 03:11:47 jon_y: it doesn't need to read anything from SIM to set the time Sep 07 03:11:58 it reads the timestamp message from network Sep 07 03:12:45 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if timestamp is in BCC and unencrypted so every mobile could receive it, no matter which or if any SIM Sep 07 03:13:45 ShadowJK: ever pondered using a 13 element yagi for GSM antenna? ;-P Sep 07 03:14:27 you can do amazing things with it. Up to 32km distance from BTS Sep 07 03:15:17 you can receive even more distant BTS, but "no signal" despite excellent signal level Sep 07 03:15:33 I ahvent considered such things :) Sep 07 03:15:33 Time Advance out of range Sep 07 03:16:07 In real life Ive had N900 do gprs at 20km range though Sep 07 03:16:28 My usual IRC idling used enormous amounts of energy :) Sep 07 03:17:04 you *might* be lucky finding a BTS that has TA offset. So that TA=0 means you are N km away from BTS and that's the *minimum* distance you need to have to make a successful connection to such umbrella BTS Sep 07 03:17:43 It was out at sea Sep 07 03:17:44 hehe, using a decent antenna can dramatically improve that Sep 07 03:18:09 The last inhabited islands before open sea :) Sep 07 03:18:21 and yeah, offshore covering BTS sometimes might use TA offset Sep 07 03:18:59 on one channel, while another channel fills in the segment between BTS and start of outer zone Sep 07 03:19:37 NB I have no insider knowledge about that stuff Sep 07 03:20:04 just concluding from reports about specification limits and exceptions Sep 07 03:21:06 I don't even know if you get TA=0 or TA=1 when you are 10m away from BTS Sep 07 03:21:24 but I know one TA click are 550m Sep 07 03:22:01 That place was bloody amazing. My sister's parents' in law own the island.. There are thousands of tiny rocks all over the place when heading out towards the sea, closer to shore it's interlaced with small islands with people and houses on it waving and greeting you, but as you go further there's less and less inhabitation. Then out of the thousands of rocks sticking out of the sea,our pilot decides to break hard right and steer right between them, then slows Sep 07 03:22:07 down, and navigates a narrow passage between cliffs Sep 07 03:23:22 Snaking between rocks and underwater rocks, we arrive "inside" the island at a pier barely long enough for the speedboat :) Sep 07 03:23:37 And I still have enough signal on N900 to IRC, win Sep 07 03:29:08 It's a kind of cultural thing with finns, I guess. Either you own a summer house in middle of nowhere in the forrest, with hardly any road access, or you own a summer house in the middle of the sea where nobody can see that you're actually there Sep 07 03:29:56 cool Sep 07 03:30:33 * DocScrutinizer05 feels some jealousy Sep 07 03:31:29 though, it's probably pretty hard to get home from the pub at night ;-P Sep 07 03:31:45 Yes Sep 07 03:32:14 In the winter, the last 20km is by ski Sep 07 03:32:21 king size quadrocopter! Sep 07 03:33:41 you should be able to control such thing in a way so you enter, close the "door" and press the button for the desired desination, like in an elevator Sep 07 03:34:17 Why not voice activation? Sep 07 03:34:23 "Take me home, jeeves" Sep 07 03:34:41 There's a lake, with an island obstruction in the middle, it might be long enough for a STOL airplane in winter, at close to 0 temperatures. Sep 07 03:34:50 I think the are certain circumstances where a button is more reliable Sep 07 03:35:08 I imagine at the usual -10 .. - 35C, the friction to snow would be too high for anything reasonable to take off :) Sep 07 03:36:10 dang, make that octocopter Sep 07 03:36:24 If you can't handle taking off, you don't have a big enough rocket. Sep 07 03:36:31 Moar power! Sep 07 03:36:35 I love that place :) Sep 07 03:37:13 8* 50HP should suffice Sep 07 03:37:37 my grandpa built the first building by dragging logs manually through the forrest, across a swamp, then one by one in a small boat to reach the shore on the other side Sep 07 03:37:39 and sufficiently redundant Sep 07 03:38:07 those were real men Sep 07 03:38:26 Nearest electricity line runs 30km away even today :) Sep 07 03:38:37 piped water is even further Sep 07 03:39:05 It's a "back to basics" place, and "apocalypse survival site" in one Sep 07 03:39:36 And for some reason, us finns love to spend summer holidays at such locations. Sep 07 03:40:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMu5XY31DY Sep 07 03:42:28 I heard there's bazillions of mosquitoes in summer Sep 07 03:42:38 Yes. Sep 07 03:42:38 i'd prefer the island Sep 07 03:42:51 offshore Sep 07 03:42:59 The islands do not escape :) Sep 07 03:43:06 no mosqui Sep 07 03:43:24 They've got their local mosquito populations Sep 07 03:43:31 DUH! Sep 07 03:43:47 huge island, eh? Sep 07 03:44:03 Seems related to mainland mosquito population though, because I didnt react too badly to them Sep 07 03:44:30 kill'em with lazors Sep 07 03:44:47 When I was up north in lapland, the mosquitos there seemed very annoying to me, some bites even swelled Sep 07 03:45:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnSKrzmpKGw Sep 07 03:45:24 The mosquitos where I live, there's slight pinch when they depart, and that's about all Sep 07 03:45:44 No swelling or other reactions Sep 07 03:45:51 Not even an itch Sep 07 03:45:57 dnag, the bots go kookoo Sep 07 03:46:09 But that because I've lived here all my life, more or less Sep 07 03:46:54 I react to mosqui bites like somebody poisoned me. Sometimes 2 weeks of injury Sep 07 03:47:03 The protein mosquitos use when they penetrate the skin varies, here they've managed to develop one that goes unnoticed :) Sep 07 03:47:42 with stains on the skin that never ever go away Sep 07 03:48:40 To me it's like someone gently touched me with a jumper wire Sep 07 03:49:25 when I'm in lapland, it feels like a superheated poker, but it goes away after killing the critter Sep 07 03:50:33 The most awesome thing is when there is non-native around.. One mosquito, and non-native is waving arms around in panic, which increases his metabolism rate, which emits more CO2, which means all the mosquitos in the region will converge on him :)) Sep 07 04:17:57 DocScrutinizer05: ok, got it Sep 07 04:18:23 no sim == no timestampt from gsm operator Sep 07 04:43:26 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 07 08:56:18 hello everybody :) Sep 07 08:56:26 I have this new n9 , and I am installing wazapp , unfortunately it is crashing on startup, I found a post that is suggesting I edit the file ui.py located in /opt/waxmppplugin/bin/wazapp/ Sep 07 08:56:32 what is the best way to do that?? Sep 07 10:16:55 ~ping Sep 07 10:17:21 DocScrutinizer05: she is sleeping, wake her up please ^^^ Sep 07 10:45:17 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 07 10:49:35 [2013-09-07 06:43:25] DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! [2013-09-07 11:15:59] <-- infobot has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [2013-09-07 12:45:17] DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 07 11:42:12 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sep 07 11:42:18 * exo`` yawns in peace Sep 07 11:49:47 Hi Sep 07 11:50:06 Hi. Sep 07 11:50:17 hi Sep 07 11:50:21 So if i understand there isn't any twitter client that works currently on n900 ? Sep 07 11:51:21 jonwil: Sep 07 11:51:26 jonwil: hi Sep 07 11:51:27 :) Sep 07 11:51:32 :) Sep 07 11:51:52 whaou ... my n900 didn't have fremantle on it ... hihi Sep 07 11:51:53 just reading the interesting looking tmo thread about Neo900 and think its a good idea :) Sep 07 11:52:09 jonwil: could be indeed Sep 07 11:52:32 but i believe more in nemo mobile than using a plateform with closed parts Sep 07 11:53:29 I think something that would be worth doing is to figure out the software (i.e. there is talk of reusing Nokia blobs, work is needed to figure out which blobs to re-use and which blobs to clone or rewrite) Sep 07 11:57:02 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 07 11:57:43 lol ... khweeteur works also on desktop Sep 07 11:57:45 .... Sep 07 11:57:49 i forgot :) Sep 07 11:58:46 ~ping Sep 07 11:58:55 :-S Sep 07 12:22:25 hey , i have a doubt , not really related to maemo, can anyone help?? Sep 07 12:23:31 SpeedEvil: you there now? Sep 07 12:25:11 err - with? Sep 07 12:25:23 I'm sort of slightly awake Sep 07 12:26:02 with c.. it may sound stupid, but my doubt is can we just write protect just one or an array of memory locations of a pen drive?? Sep 07 12:26:14 No. Sep 07 12:26:39 At least not for any meanings of that sentance i can think of Sep 07 12:26:51 answer was really short.. :P Sep 07 12:27:26 actually, is there any way to make my pc access just the pendrives i want?? Sep 07 12:28:59 thats why i was thinking of reserving some memorylocatiosn of pendrive with some "key" that would be read everytime, and if it doesnot match, then it should simply unmunt it, Sep 07 12:29:27 SpeedEvil: Sep 07 12:29:50 What is your PC running. Sep 07 12:30:16 both windows n ubuntu. Sep 07 12:30:26 currently on win7. Sep 07 12:30:49 Readonly is pretty irrelevant Sep 07 12:31:17 you for example could make a second partition with a key on the pendrive, and only mount if that exists. Sep 07 12:31:38 Avoiding that key being tribvially copyable if anyone gets a hold of your device isn't simple Sep 07 12:32:06 yeah that should work , thanks.. will try that. but again, i wont be able to put any data in that partition.. Sep 07 12:32:35 you don't care - you put the data in the main partition Sep 07 12:32:45 the key is supposed to be linked with those memorylocations only. Sep 07 12:32:59 that doesn't really make any sense. Sep 07 12:33:54 that wud have atleast decreased the risk of a copied key,.. key may be copied but mem locattions if different, then reject ! Sep 07 12:34:25 yep.. :) thanks .. i believe yu were sleeping. good night. :) Sep 07 12:35:15 You want a read protect - not a write protect Sep 07 12:35:24 And - how can you read from a protected sector Sep 07 12:35:32 the 'right' way to do this involves assymetric keys. Sep 07 12:35:56 but you cannot do this with a dumb device. There are some encrypted pendrives out there - I am unsure if any would support what you want to do. Sep 07 13:18:04 khertan: Hi, thanks for responding to my PM re council meeting yesterday :) Sep 07 16:48:59 hello my n9 is stuck in a reboot loop , please help me :-( Sep 07 16:49:23 is there anyway to backup my contacts now before flashing?? Sep 07 16:49:40 any help is really appreciated Sep 07 16:59:24 mike11, I can't help you, but did you ask at #meego ? Sep 07 17:01:22 i asked at #harmattan , i will ask now at #meego thanks entitled Sep 07 18:36:12 I don't think #meego is the ideal place to ask. if #harmattan doesn't know... Sep 07 18:37:52 will there be an extra irc node for stuff regarding the Neo900, or is it still happening here, since it'll use the same SW? Sep 07 18:38:21 trying to modprobe ubifs in the sdk ubuntu vm: UBIFS error (pid 17519): compr_init: cannot initialize compressor zlib, error -2 Sep 07 18:39:29 FATAL: Error inserting ubifs (/lib/modules/2.6.32-24-generic/kernel/fs/ubifs/ubifs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) Sep 07 18:39:51 didn't expect symbol or lib mismatches in the sdk Sep 07 18:40:37 Sosica: here Sep 07 18:40:45 thx Sep 07 18:40:49 yw Sep 07 18:41:41 cybertheque: indeed a bit strange Sep 07 18:41:53 need to mount rootfs.jfss2 from n900 Sep 07 18:41:57 is really ubi i am told Sep 07 18:48:33 it is Sep 07 18:49:11 cannot initialize compressor zlib Sep 07 18:49:18 is the key I guess Sep 07 18:49:48 check for your zlib Sep 07 18:50:22 I seem to recall several related bug reports lately Sep 07 18:52:38 kk - will do and report back later Sep 07 18:53:08 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 07 18:54:14 ~ping Sep 07 18:54:15 ~pong Sep 07 18:54:22 ~wb Sep 07 18:54:22 It's great to be back! Sep 07 18:54:35 ~+status Sep 07 18:54:36 Since Sat Sep 7 18:52:03 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 2m 32s this session, and currently reference 119127 factoids. I'm using about 18476 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.89/0.17 child 0/0 Sep 07 18:55:31 Wammu/Gammu question-- do any maemo devices have SMS? The n900 (reportedly) only has the "info" feature, not SMS Sep 07 18:55:47 huh? Sep 07 18:56:31 och, nvm Sep 07 18:56:40 most devices only have partial gammu support.. the n900 is one of them Sep 07 18:57:48 wtf gammu? Sep 07 18:58:07 DocScrutinizer05: see http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/?page=8 Sep 07 18:58:22 my interest is in an SMS server.. gammu does that Sep 07 18:58:52 now that tells me zlch Sep 07 18:59:30 in the end, I need a maemo device that can send SMS messages to a gammu instance (a server that collects SMS messages) Sep 07 19:00:14 apparently maemo is the only phone OS that has SDR capability, which is another (unrelated) need that I have Sep 07 19:01:27 DocScrutinizer05: if you look at the n900 on that page, you'll see that SMS is not supported, unlike other devices Sep 07 19:01:35 is the little arm cpu even fast enough for sdr? Sep 07 19:02:03 nox-: that's a good question.. I only heard that someone pulled it off recently Sep 07 19:02:27 but i don't know if they actually accomplished anything more than working drivers Sep 07 19:03:01 ask xes :-D Sep 07 19:03:41 (btw, all qualcomm chipsets seem to be SDR, but I don't count them because they're proprietary, undocumented, and unfreed) Sep 07 19:03:52 or simply test it! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91182 Sep 07 19:05:19 * DocScrutinizer05 still wondering what's that gwammu stuff Sep 07 19:05:36 and how N900 SMS could not be supported Sep 07 19:06:07 DocScrutinizer05: app used to control phone- and messagebooks on feature phones Sep 07 19:06:28 oooh, THAT nonsense Sep 07 19:07:07 yeah, that relates to my allude to "control SMS" in fremantle-neo Sep 07 19:07:44 even genuine fremantle doesn't support all of these control cruft SMS, thanks Goddess Sep 07 19:08:35 No thanks, I don't want a SMS reconfigure my system, bottom up. Without me even letting know Sep 07 19:08:40 cybrNaut: well, on N900 you can do anything you want without wammu. You have access to OS on the phone, so just write a script that reacts to SMS and do whatever you want on that Sep 07 19:08:50 exactly Sep 07 19:09:09 cybrNaut: wammu does not support it because it uses some basic AT interface over USB which does not expose such information on N900 Sep 07 19:09:25 but you can expose it by youself via ssh or anything else Sep 07 19:11:08 hmm, yeah, maybe i can do without gammu. I like the idea of connecting multiple phones to an sms server.. but I guess I could make special accommodations for the n900 Sep 07 19:12:15 cybrNaut: you could manually expose some interface that gammu can support ;) Sep 07 19:12:29 cybrNaut: N900 is no phone. It's a full featured linux desktop computer in your pocket, that happens to have some GSM functions built in Sep 07 19:13:15 probbaly you can use the N900 to control your phones Sep 07 19:13:20 DocScrutinizer05: i have an n800, so i have an idea about it. Sep 07 19:17:35 5400 thanks, 40 votes >=700, I guess we alse will reach the 300 votes this weekend. \o/ Sep 07 19:18:01 and kicked off FPTF Sep 07 19:18:04 i've been out of it for a few years.. my n800 screen died. the n900 was the only GSM-capable maemo device at that time.. is that still the case? any successors? Sep 07 19:18:26 nothing Sep 07 19:18:29 except Sep 07 19:18:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Sep 07 19:18:49 some would say N9, but don't trust them :P Sep 07 19:19:03 ooh, I forgot ;-P Sep 07 19:19:10 no really, I did Sep 07 19:19:14 :D Sep 07 19:19:40 by the letters it's not a maemo device anyway Sep 07 19:20:19 and calling HARM a maemo version is... a gross insult Sep 07 19:20:43 and n9 has this aegis thing rtoo ight? Sep 07 19:20:43 HARM is a maemo version. Sep 07 19:20:51 is it that bad? I don't know much about it Sep 07 19:21:08 N9 is aegis, yes Sep 07 19:21:14 jk :-) Sep 07 19:21:15 aegis == you arent really root anymore Sep 07 19:21:16 ah, the open moko upgrade.. i didn't realize that had maemo Sep 07 19:21:21 and N9 is nuked community Sep 07 19:21:30 and scattered repos Sep 07 19:21:36 i know about aegis, and that's all Sep 07 19:21:58 ~aegis Sep 07 19:21:59 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 07 19:22:11 btw what became of jolla, didnt they want to make a `successor' too? Sep 07 19:22:44 cybrNaut: well, Neo900 is a project to create new board based on GTA04 that will fit into N900 case and will be able to run Fremantle Sep 07 19:22:49 they shipped my t-shirt recently Sep 07 19:23:28 I should have taken XXXXXL, which maybe would have fit to my door Sep 07 19:23:58 cybrNaut: err, for end user it's meant to be a complete device :) Sep 07 19:24:36 (some people are confused about that, so just clearing it out) Sep 07 19:24:48 better that! Sep 07 19:25:09 * DocScrutinizer05 searches for the taser Sep 07 19:25:19 ;-P Sep 07 19:25:58 dos1: I minted the term GTA04-NeoN for the board Sep 07 19:26:31 while Neo900 is clearly a complete assembled device ready to unpack, insert battery, flash OS, enjoy Sep 07 19:27:38 GTA04-N900 felt like "ouch my fingers" Sep 07 19:28:24 yeah... but from "what has to be done"-pov we have to create board fitting into N900 case before we can sell complete devices Sep 07 19:28:33 or rather "who broke my tongue?" Sep 07 19:28:39 so it's easy to become confused while thinking about it Sep 07 19:28:58 not for end users Sep 07 19:29:05 only for us devs Sep 07 19:29:07 GTA04-NeoN looks nice Sep 07 19:29:19 tthought that, yeah :-D Sep 07 19:29:31 next board will be ArgoN Sep 07 19:29:43 CryptoN, XenoN Sep 07 19:29:45 dos1: i don't like hardware keyboards on phones. But if i can get a neo900 ready to go, I might overlook that. Is that possible? or do i have to buy a n900, and swap the boards, and do the effort? Sep 07 19:30:48 cybrNaut: yes, you'll be able to buy complete Neo900 ready to go Sep 07 19:30:50 you better get a GTA04 then Sep 07 19:31:02 you'll probably just have to flash OS, but that'd be all Sep 07 19:31:04 no hw kbd ;-D Sep 07 19:31:27 cybrNaut: but there will be an option for getting just a board too Sep 07 19:31:36 yep Sep 07 19:31:50 see my post on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Sep 07 19:32:03 it's all in there - meanwhile Sep 07 19:32:15 299 :) Sep 07 19:32:24 sometimes old posts are worth rereading ;-) Sep 07 19:32:30 \o/ Sep 07 19:32:56 13,3% voted for 700+ Sep 07 19:33:14 it's getting better every day Sep 07 19:33:23 20% for 600+ Sep 07 19:33:26 40 votes Sep 07 19:33:35 not counting the 3 stealth ones Sep 07 19:33:43 right Sep 07 19:33:48 oh, I didn't even count myself :D Sep 07 19:34:26 so it's something like 14% ;) Sep 07 19:34:34 * DocScrutinizer05 slpas himself Gibbs' style, and grabs the letter envelopes he just bought Sep 07 19:36:31 some votes for ~600 might be important too, as there should be some interest in bare boards, and those will be cheaper a bit Sep 07 19:36:57 not just a bit, ~100..150 Sep 07 19:37:11 I bet most of them just checked the highest price they can afford, without making difference to the board and full device Sep 07 19:37:16 (just like me :D) Sep 07 19:37:22 :nod: Sep 07 19:37:41 we can factor out such statistical errors Sep 07 19:38:32 considering that only tmo users can vote at all, I don't give too much about that poll, except for watching trends Sep 07 19:39:11 about time to send some hw to Nikolaus Sep 07 19:40:45 aaaaand Sep 07 19:40:46 it's 300 Sep 07 19:40:57 http://www.mwkn.net/2013/34/front.html is missing on some news, don't you think? Sep 07 19:41:04 LOL Sep 07 19:41:28 sadly last vote went to something lower than 600 :P Sep 07 19:42:16 don't worry, we'll pick them all up when we have sth to show off Sep 07 19:42:30 We're all terrible busy and/or lazy. Sep 07 19:42:44 hi GA!!! Sep 07 19:42:54 I started worrying Sep 07 19:43:05 If you can con some more people into aggregating stuff onto the Twitter I might find the energy to summarize stuff. Sep 07 19:43:16 Selling a house. :/ Sep 07 19:43:21 eeew Sep 07 19:43:30 been there done that. No fun Sep 07 19:44:04 10 min might cost you a few $$$$$ Sep 07 19:44:15 if you're saying the wrong thing Sep 07 19:45:33 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how long that parcel from the denerous donor will take to arrive. Or if it got sent at all Sep 07 19:46:56 I seem to have to sacrifice another one of my babies D-`,: Sep 07 19:48:00 time to sign some contract with GolDeliCo Sep 07 19:48:42 UGH, wouldn't that diqualify me for council? \o/ Sep 07 19:49:05 you're getting a job? :D Sep 07 19:49:32 I#m pondering to ask Nikolaus to sign some sort of commercial agreement with me Sep 07 19:50:39 I wasted some 30 days of work into that so far, so what? But sending out one of my very own N900 babies to let it slaughter by him, that's definitely *my* red line Sep 07 19:51:08 ;-) Sep 07 19:51:13 i see ;) Sep 07 19:51:20 but why would that disqualify you for council? :o Sep 07 19:51:32 see rules Sep 07 19:52:13 You have to declare any commercial relation to Nokia or other companies who are into selling maemo products. OWTTE Sep 07 19:53:01 is Neo900 an Maemo product? ;) Sep 07 19:53:13 though rles have another loophole there for late "employments", I think I could use it as an excuse ;-) Sep 07 19:54:18 and resigning from council would make my life a lot easier Sep 07 19:55:13 >>Package autobuildertest_0.1-4_armel.changes was installed to suite fremantle<< Sep 07 19:55:29 thanks autobuilder for letting me know Sep 07 19:55:54 >>Package mc_4.8.10-0maemo4_armel.changes was installed to suite fremantle<< Sep 07 19:56:48 301 WTH?! :-) Sep 07 19:57:45 I actually think I did not the worst job to explain why we can't go cheaper than 700 Sep 07 19:58:12 and still offering an attractive set of features Sep 07 19:58:21 I think your FPTF post might attract some new people, who look at Fremantle subforum but not at N900 one Sep 07 19:58:32 maybe Sep 07 19:59:01 well, maybe this whole thing is just starting to move, eh? Sep 07 19:59:15 but vote no. 301 was for 300EUR :( Sep 07 19:59:24 * DocScrutinizer05 waits for /. and ct.de Sep 07 19:59:30 :) Sep 07 20:00:00 about time to consider a kickstarter for funding the prototypes Sep 07 20:00:33 500EUR buys you your name etched to the PCB, if you buy a device Sep 07 20:00:51 1000 gets you one of the prototypes Sep 07 20:01:08 pledge 50 EUR and your name will be included into About screen on the device Sep 07 20:01:18 no problem Sep 07 20:01:44 pledge 300 and your name will be displayed on first boot tutorial Sep 07 20:01:56 pledge 100000 and we'll rename the project after you Sep 07 20:02:01 ;) Sep 07 20:02:03 hehe Sep 07 20:02:17 is fremantle an OS? Sep 07 20:02:23 cybrNaut: yup. Maemo 5 Sep 07 20:02:48 aka the N900 version Sep 07 20:03:05 wikipedia has nothing on it... even the disambiguation page has nothing Sep 07 20:03:18 I already forgot what been the N800 codename Sep 07 20:03:21 it's a codename for Maemo 5 Sep 07 20:03:27 and an AFL team and a port/town and a Media company .... Sep 07 20:03:49 diablo? Sep 07 20:03:55 nope Sep 07 20:04:01 err, maybe Sep 07 20:04:04 cybrNaut: http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page <-- the real wiki Sep 07 20:04:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames Sep 07 20:04:32 codenames are "winds" IIRC Sep 07 20:04:37 hmm, nope, Diablo was an upgrade for N810 Sep 07 20:04:45 Chinook, how could I forget Sep 07 20:09:00 RM-742 :-((( Sep 07 20:12:17 DocScrutinizer05: it's nice... but it would most likely still have the same harmattan as n9 :( Sep 07 20:12:37 yep, uaergh! Sep 07 20:13:12 with a a ae... AEGIS!! D-: Sep 07 20:13:50 and a "use QtM or don't bother writing apps" policy Sep 07 20:21:48 * DocScrutinizer05 doing another fancy: summing up "preorder" total Sep 07 20:24:34 137250 Sep 07 20:25:00 ~137250/700 Sep 07 20:25:00 196.071428571429 Sep 07 20:25:25 FWIW Sep 07 20:26:08 ~196/301 Sep 07 20:26:10 0.651162790698 Sep 07 20:32:51 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8497686/neo900chart.png Sep 07 20:34:23 GeneralAntilles: I don't twitter (only the birds in my garden), but if you explain the procedure to dos1 I bet he's willing to help with a few short notices Sep 07 20:36:02 dos1: nice. but based on number of users Sep 07 20:36:20 you could argue amount of money is more relevant Sep 07 20:40:48 DocScrutinizer05: right... and this one looks even nicer: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8497686/neo900chart2.png :) Sep 07 20:43:09 half of the money comes from 500+ alone Sep 07 20:44:17 and almost quarter from 700+ Sep 07 20:44:26 looks good to me Sep 07 20:46:11 GeneralAntilles: and I can confirm what Doc said :) Sep 07 20:49:49 dos1, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News Sep 07 20:50:07 Any help aggregating stories would be greatly appreciated. Sep 07 20:55:25 * DocScrutinizer05 slaps himself again looking at /topic and reading " Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources " Sep 07 20:58:03 ccxCZ: ping Sep 07 21:00:42 ~pong pali Sep 07 21:00:42 pali: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sep 07 21:01:10 ? Sep 07 21:07:45 nevermind Sep 07 21:07:52 my silly 5 minutes Sep 07 21:58:21 ccxCZ: I pushed some patches to 0xFFFF repository, can you test if you still have segfault problems? Sep 07 21:59:02 I'd like to release final version, but need to be sure that it working also on other than mine machine... Sep 07 23:00:51 DocScrutinizer05: http://neo900.org/ :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 08 02:59:59 2013