**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 09 02:59:58 2013 Sep 09 03:23:03 i love sociality Sep 09 03:23:09 wish it was still maintained Sep 09 03:23:14 best fb client ever heh Sep 09 03:32:16 I guess it's MohammadAG you need to pester about it Sep 09 03:49:26 oooh, look what I found with google http://pastie.org/pastes/1149931 Sep 09 03:56:21 jonwil: nice Sep 09 03:57:43 a shame that http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ is down Sep 09 03:59:02 I still have bits and pieces of headers from there Sep 09 03:59:07 I have zips from there and other info Sep 09 03:59:21 which is only of value if you care about the actual isi interface to the modem Sep 09 04:00:13 and by and large we dont need to care about that so much Sep 09 04:01:02 I do for example have the exact header file matching the N900 cellular modem GPS interface Sep 09 04:01:16 and I think the matching one for a few other modem interfaces Sep 09 04:02:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91313 Sep 09 04:02:26 More to come in that thread :) Sep 09 04:02:55 which btw I linked from in the FPTF thread Sep 09 04:06:01 jonwil: I see we talked about it 14 months ago, in another channel Sep 09 04:06:22 hmmm, ok Sep 09 04:06:58 I'm trying to locate the wirelessmodemapi shit on my PC, but no idea where to look ;-D Sep 09 04:09:08 http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G1%20V2%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V1%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V2%2011w05.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V3%2011w25.zip Sep 09 04:09:38 oooh Sep 09 04:09:48 :-D Sep 09 04:10:14 thanks! Sep 09 04:10:46 and what you posted on pastie was not included in that zip stuff? Sep 09 04:15:09 that wasn't my paste Sep 09 04:15:15 it was something I randomly found with google Sep 09 04:15:20 just now Sep 09 04:15:25 seems like I found it before Sep 09 04:15:41 but forgot I found it (and discussed it in this channel) Sep 09 04:16:28 isi_info is higher level than the wirelessmodemapi stuff Sep 09 04:18:23 :nod: Sep 09 04:20:21 Ruby on Rails 10.09.2010 <-- that's a joke, no? Sep 09 04:27:00 DocScrutinizer05, huh? Sep 09 04:59:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373026#post1373026 Sep 09 04:59:34 Thats a good start for documenting the cellular services daemon dbus calls :) Sep 09 05:00:00 nothing new there really but its good to have it in the one place :) Sep 09 05:00:57 DocScrutinizer05: i can't ban and delete those whose accounts are >90 days (i did ban the user as a spambot). I can't also edit/delete posts+threads in sub-forums for which i am not a moderator. As of now the only sub-forums where i have privs are general, community, n9/950, meego/harmattan, n900 as well as the whole alternatives sub-forums. i used to have sailfish but when chemist re-jigged its location i lost privs. the thread which you Sep 09 05:00:58 deleted was in games; a sub-forum without any moderator. hence admin or super-mod privs required on such sub-forums. I have previously asked for the latter but was told not to ask for too much :D Sep 09 05:13:00 Maybe we can create a new section on TMO named "Neo900"? There are three threads about it, and it is probably going to be more Sep 09 06:32:36 sounds like a reasonable request Sep 09 06:47:25 jonwil: please consider creating wiki pages, otherwise contributions by others will be sparse and rare, and scattered all over the place Sep 09 08:16:08 hi there.have problems with the Rapuyama chip,i suspect,that is foobar.any way how to get a replacement? Sep 09 08:17:10 it is in a n900,rx51 2104 uk Sep 09 08:17:58 try to reball,but if I can't how to buy it? Sep 09 08:23:51 any idea?this rapuyama ic is the cellular modem. Sep 09 08:24:19 saw this spring fixing method,but I'd like a permanent solution. Sep 09 08:25:16 thank you for the answers. Sep 09 08:33:31 mike-hun: i think your only chance is to buy a new n900 - and at that point, you might as well use it Sep 09 08:33:44 i don't think anyone has ever been successful in reballing it Sep 09 08:34:09 DocScrutinizer05: *rapuyama reball poke* Sep 09 08:34:48 is there a maemo fics client? Sep 09 08:35:06 one of the linux ones maybe Sep 09 08:35:40 hm. i looked on the repos. i dont see one Sep 09 08:35:46 something with a front end Sep 09 08:35:51 wow Sep 09 08:36:00 I'm not sure I ever seen bb5 chips for sale. For sure not nowadays Sep 09 08:36:55 simply reflowing the chip might already help Sep 09 08:37:29 I don't think it's wise to unsolder and reball rapuyama Sep 09 08:37:43 btw ir might as well be retu(?) Sep 09 08:37:48 it* Sep 09 08:39:27 hm Sep 09 08:39:33 miniature is in devel Sep 09 09:20:17 Just bought new n900 32gb for about 200$. Is it good price? Sep 09 09:20:55 Yes. Sep 09 09:21:23 I paid over 500€ IIRC Easter 2010 Sep 09 09:24:28 uff, now i'm fine, definitely not overpayed Sep 09 09:26:15 I bought mine for about $200 too Sep 09 09:26:22 Never regreg Sep 09 09:26:25 *regret Sep 09 10:22:36 hello Sep 09 10:22:44 just got an n900 from a friend Sep 09 10:22:56 Nice. Sep 09 10:23:01 sadly it won't turn on Sep 09 10:23:12 measured voltage across battery - 0.2... Sep 09 10:23:23 LED shows green with USB plugged (with or without battery) Sep 09 10:23:33 but battery won't charge itself.. Sep 09 10:23:52 might be dead.. Sep 09 10:24:16 any games I could play now before obtaining an external charger or new battery? Sep 09 10:24:33 got a bench PSU could wire it up :) Sep 09 10:25:52 also measured the battery connector pins on the phone - no juices from there either when USB plugged Sep 09 10:26:26 either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it.. Sep 09 10:26:35 or charging itself is knackered Sep 09 10:26:42 (remember, LED is always green, never seen it orange..) Sep 09 10:27:01 will try to needle-pin probe when battery is inserted in a minute.. Sep 09 10:34:57 ok the voltage between pin 1 and pin 3 is 0.7V when battery is supposedly being charged Sep 09 10:35:10 sorry Sep 09 10:35:15 pin 2 (-) and pin 3 (no label) Sep 09 10:40:05 ~seen nicolai Sep 09 10:40:11 Pali: i haven't seen 'nicolai' Sep 09 10:46:47 ((either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it..)) yep, exactly Sep 09 10:47:08 green LED however is weird Sep 09 10:47:43 I'm tempted to clamp up a 3.7V PSU Sep 09 10:47:51 go ahead Sep 09 10:48:04 too impatient to wait days for batteries/ext.chargers :) Sep 09 10:48:07 just watch out for the right pins! Sep 09 10:48:21 thanks Sep 09 10:48:26 i already mixed them up :D Sep 09 10:48:30 + is outer, - middle(!) contact Sep 09 10:48:45 yes Sep 09 10:49:01 BSI: pin3 Sep 09 10:49:03 the + and - measured 0.7 once battery in and usb plugged Sep 09 10:49:37 BSI - sounds like logic part of my peugeot :D Sep 09 10:49:39 and duh, you probably won't have much fun without a 75kR between BSI and - Sep 09 10:50:18 75kΩ ? Sep 09 10:50:24 :nod: Sep 09 10:50:40 right Sep 09 10:51:11 you *could* slaughter your busted battery Sep 09 10:51:12 thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) will see what's in the shed Sep 09 10:51:26 (if I wire PSU with battery in? no, I won't go that way) Sep 09 10:51:36 remove cell Sep 09 10:51:39 yup Sep 09 10:51:56 keep the protective circuit and 75kR Sep 09 10:52:18 pretty easy to disassemble those batteries Sep 09 10:52:32 understood Sep 09 10:52:42 n900 refuse to boot without 75KR? Sep 09 10:53:06 yep Sep 09 10:53:11 pondering maybe battery is not dead, only charging circuit broken. need to wait for ext charger from a friend beforehand Sep 09 10:53:12 ok Sep 09 10:53:35 0V7? DEADBEEF Sep 09 10:53:56 oke 0xDEADBEEF then Sep 09 10:54:14 DocScrutinizer05: my battery is from 2010 Sep 09 10:54:16 0.2V when measured removed battery itself Sep 09 10:54:21 should I get a new one? Sep 09 10:54:30 or can it go on forever? Sep 09 10:54:34 jon_y: dunno. Why? Sep 09 10:54:45 0.7V is phone's attempt to charge it. maybe it's phone's charging circuit not giving out more? Sep 09 10:54:59 I seen batteries that were 7 years old and in near perfect condition Sep 09 10:55:21 ok Sep 09 10:55:32 I was just wondering if it was considered old already Sep 09 10:55:56 sledges: the bq24150 probes battery during iirc 20ms, then throws error "no battery" or "broken" or whatever Sep 09 10:57:48 sledges: your constant green however might be a yellow with broken red LED Sep 09 10:59:20 sledges: anyway LiIon cells with <2V are considered dead and must not get recharged Sep 09 10:59:44 DocScrutinizer05, time to gut-dissect it :) Sep 09 11:00:17 indeed, particularly since protective circuit might have cut out and cell voltage is actually still good Sep 09 11:00:42 but probably isn't Sep 09 11:01:04 prot circuit blocks charging when cell voltage too low Sep 09 11:01:30 what happens if you try to charge a LiIon cell with <2V? Sep 09 11:01:58 it also blocks discharging when cell voltage reaches lower limit, which is ~2.2..2.4V Sep 09 11:02:15 kerio: it might vent and catch fire Sep 09 11:02:26 D: Sep 09 11:02:29 that's not good! Sep 09 11:02:51 considering the protective circuit, how the hell do you get a BL-5J to 0.7V? Sep 09 11:03:06 sledges: are you sure you measured between + and -? Sep 09 11:03:17 kerio, measured all combos Sep 09 11:03:17 discharge to limit, then store away for months Sep 09 11:03:24 + and - gives out 0.2 and now even less Sep 09 11:03:31 once I removed prot circuit Sep 09 11:03:38 and measured between terminals directly Sep 09 11:03:40 it gives 0.04 Sep 09 11:05:46 DocScrutinizer05, it has been stored away for months Sep 09 11:05:48 &) Sep 09 11:06:06 ~batteryfaq Sep 09 11:06:06 batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Sep 09 11:18:33 O.K. photos for neo900 are done. Now i'm going to edit them a little in photoshop (sorry, or gimp maybe) - then i will upload them, in my opinion they are better than the official Nokia photos :D [BIG THANKS TO MY MOM :D] Sep 09 11:22:16 :-D Sep 09 11:23:55 lexik_ntb: just ideally don't spam the thread with lots of photos, rather create a new thread or post an URL only Sep 09 11:26:23 theard that have posts with huge [img][/img] embedded photos are a PITA to read on e.g. N900. Post that [quote] those posts with lots of [img] are a major annoyance Sep 09 11:27:39 chem|st: could vBulletin learn to not quote [img] tags? Sep 09 11:28:07 I mean, it already doesn't quote [quote] Sep 09 11:29:33 lexik_ntb: make an imgur album maybe Sep 09 11:29:53 imgur is what im going to do Sep 09 11:30:22 than i will send you the link and dos1 will upload it to neo900.org/photos Sep 09 11:35:25 ~seen _nicolai_ Sep 09 11:35:28 _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-1810.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 58d 17h 30m 18s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, please do so. It is for my "ledpulse" package. maemo package interface says: "old version cleaned ..." every 4 hourse. The newest version to import is ledpulse 0.3'. Sep 09 11:38:25 ledpulse? Sep 09 11:39:39 only every 4h? pah! other packages hat that every 4 MINUTES Sep 09 11:39:39 n900 just booted! Sep 09 11:39:43 on PSU, thanks DocScrutinizer05 Sep 09 11:39:45 :-) Sep 09 11:39:51 yw Sep 09 11:39:56 now onto another 'minor' bit: display doesn't work Sep 09 11:39:56 :D Sep 09 11:40:04 will require some disassembling :) Sep 09 11:40:06 won't bme complain eventually? Sep 09 11:40:10 a PSU isn't quite like a battery Sep 09 11:40:12 sledges: once it booted, you can run it from USB Sep 09 11:40:17 nice Sep 09 11:40:31 can i launch a VNC or something? Sep 09 11:40:37 to get around non-working display problem? Sep 09 11:40:42 sledges: try the tv cable Sep 09 11:40:53 or sure, install x11vnc Sep 09 11:40:59 ok Sep 09 11:41:12 hope usb networking works, and is relatively similar to that of n9 Sep 09 11:41:21 but "let's boot again" Sep 09 11:41:25 like we did last summer :) Sep 09 11:42:03 * DocScrutinizer05 fetches the saxophone Sep 09 11:59:10 sad, plugged USB in, right after it gets automounted under /run/media/simonas/Nokia N900 Sep 09 11:59:28 it spits usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 110 Sep 09 11:59:47 and then loops Sep 09 11:59:52 over again Sep 09 12:00:28 and when switched PSU off, juices from USB cable could not keep n900 alive <- DocScrutinizer05 Sep 09 12:01:01 LED is fine, now that I removed dead battery cell, it very briefly flashes orange upon USB connect Sep 09 12:01:18 and when boots, has the nice gradient white at first, then "breathes" orange Sep 09 12:01:22 during boot process Sep 09 12:01:33 that's ok Sep 09 12:02:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 Sep 09 12:02:30 very n9 retro-reminiscenty ;) Sep 09 12:03:21 understood the usb juices Sep 09 12:03:29 but what about looping automount?.. Sep 09 12:04:17 weird Sep 09 12:04:28 will try another PC Sep 09 12:04:34 means its set on usb mass storage mode Sep 09 12:04:42 does it interface usb eth altogether? Sep 09 12:05:28 sorry? Sep 09 12:06:04 nvm :) Sep 09 12:06:28 when loop problem goes away, i guess I'll have to use TV out cable to switch from usb mass storage mode to usb networking mode Sep 09 12:06:31 so i could ssh into it Sep 09 12:06:38 or connect to a wifi.. Sep 09 12:07:01 get a real battery first Sep 09 12:07:10 i feel that it's too awkward otherwise Sep 09 12:07:37 kerio, any of those showstopper will prevent my from doing anything with it for next days anyway :{ Sep 09 12:07:41 meh, powering by PSU is a perfect "battery" Sep 09 12:07:45 just though I could get the max out ofų it today :) Sep 09 12:08:34 what's wrong with the display? Sep 09 12:09:17 pitch black, no backlight nothing Sep 09 12:09:24 need to get a screwdriver Sep 09 12:09:43 but will leave this for later, or boss will start asking questions :)) Sep 09 12:14:49 FPC broken? Sep 09 12:15:31 hope so Sep 09 12:15:45 friend said he managed once to have booted even with display Sep 09 12:15:56 did not give details though Sep 09 12:16:02 yeah, that sounds like ribbon Sep 09 12:17:27 the really odd thing about OMAP3430: when FPC is broken, AV-out doesn't work either Sep 09 12:18:48 good test Sep 09 12:19:30 maybe just a kernel issue, when primary display device can't get initialized properly and thus the driver blows chunks and doesn't even start to init video framebuffer. Sep 09 12:20:28 It's known that even NOLO/kernel refuses to kick vibra when display flawed Sep 09 12:21:12 prolly some sort of "beep code" Sep 09 12:21:14 true Sep 09 12:21:20 never felt vibra on startup Sep 09 12:22:51 but then, when my FPC was borked, I had very nasty artifacts on TV Sep 09 12:23:20 which can't be caused by driver not initializing video fb Sep 09 12:24:09 no idea how that relates Sep 09 12:33:07 Here we go :) Sep 09 12:33:09 http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt Sep 09 12:33:30 these three photos are photoshoped Sep 09 12:33:58 i can upload the other ones but they have some scratches on the screen etc. Sep 09 12:38:04 lexik_ntb: goddammit that's a clean n900 Sep 09 12:38:18 ok no it's not Sep 09 12:38:23 but it's much cleaner than mine Sep 09 12:43:20 lexik_ntb, what does your mum do? :) Sep 09 12:43:47 cook the images Sep 09 12:46:05 very nice photos Sep 09 12:47:12 :D she helped me by landing a camera, these pictures will not be as good as they are when they will shooted by Nokia 5800XM :D Sep 09 12:48:14 sledges: thanks :) Sep 09 12:49:02 i like how you got rid of the shadows and scratchmarks Sep 09 13:01:46 May i create the "Neo900 photos and propagation stuff" thread? :) Sep 09 13:19:13 A Sep 09 13:19:17 fooo Sep 09 13:19:22 i hate that Sep 09 13:21:22 what do you use as a UPnP renderer on the Pi? media player can play stuff from UPnP servers, but it doesn't look like a control point can control it Sep 09 13:35:39 So, should I be using fremantle-1.3 or fremantle (talking about the extras/testing/devel repositories) Sep 09 13:39:26 Not that it mattered, because my HAM is broken... What a piece of shit, really. Sep 09 13:41:03 Freshly flashed (vanilla & fiasco), first thing I did was restore a backup (everything but not "application list"), and then I installed CSSU (stable). Now I don't have any catalogues in HAM and I can't add any. Nothing happens when I add one, the list remains empty. If I click "done" it says "no catalogues in use". rootsh not installed yet, because I can't install it without any repos... Sep 09 13:41:55 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list actually contains all of them, incl. extras, community and communty-testing but HAM doesn't see them. Sep 09 13:45:49 can you install things via apt-get? Sep 09 13:46:00 lexik_ntb: I don't have root access yet Sep 09 13:46:06 Where to find a list of tricks, like [ctrl]+[arrow right] jumps one word, not just one character, or circle in browser zooms, and so forth? Sep 09 13:46:11 lexik_ntb: any other method of gaining root without rootsh installed? Sep 09 13:46:45 I'm restarting the device, hoping that fixes it... Sep 09 13:50:10 yeah that fixed it. good ol' windows remedy #1 Sep 09 13:50:52 reboot? Sep 09 13:50:55 yeah Sep 09 13:51:11 yeah since MS-DOS days Sep 09 14:00:12 goldkatze: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures Sep 09 14:00:23 thanks! Sep 09 14:00:41 welcome Sep 09 14:04:13 Pali: noted, though I hopefully won't need to test it in the near future :-] I used the official flasher to reflash rootfs which seemed to fix the system Sep 09 14:05:12 Pali: what I guess I'd appreciate more is more feature-rich initrd/rescueos so I could easily reformat rootfs and upload backup via rsync or something Sep 09 14:07:31 due to nand/ubi/ubifs, only good way is to flash full ubifs image Sep 09 14:08:01 so no support for rsync Sep 09 15:11:36 Shapeshifter: are you sure you have clicked the CSSU icon in appstarter? Sep 09 16:01:47 dos1: can you please upload these photos to neo900.org/photos? >> http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt Sep 09 16:13:37 lexik_ntb: sure, will do! thanks :) Sep 09 16:19:30 lexik_ntb: is 1000px wide original resolution, or rescaled by imgur? Sep 09 16:27:35 that's original, if it is not enough, i can give you the original .tif which is much better Sep 09 16:28:00 lol.. Sep 09 16:28:18 it is not original but it is not rescaled by imgur ;) Sep 09 16:32:20 dos1: i will zip them and upload them somewhere ;) Sep 09 16:39:10 ok Sep 09 16:39:35 lexik_ntb: i can give you direct ftp account if you want Sep 09 16:43:16 that will be great.. i will upload more photos, thanks. Sep 09 16:44:35 *would Sep 09 16:44:58 ooh yeah, my awesome english! Sep 09 16:47:12 my isn't better ;) Sep 09 20:05:38 what do you think, can NSA have backdoor in rijndael cipher (selected as AES)? Sep 09 20:06:03 backdoor sounds silly. Sep 09 20:06:13 but they may be able to crack some older keys Sep 09 20:08:10 they seem to have reached the feasibility of cracking 1024 bit keys in a few hours Sep 09 20:09:12 (RSA) Sep 09 20:09:19 won't help them when using PFS Sep 09 20:09:57 just get a 4096 bit key Sep 09 20:09:59 should be okay for now. Sep 09 20:10:52 yup Sep 09 20:13:11 Wizzup: it sounds silly, but america selected Rijndael as AES standard... Sep 09 20:13:40 yes, and it was developed by belgians Sep 09 20:13:45 and some dutch ppl iirc Sep 09 20:14:52 yes, but now I do not trust anything which comes from NSA... Sep 09 20:16:29 Time to switch to Oppan BSD Sep 09 20:16:33 Oppan BSD Style! Sep 09 20:16:41 but forgot about smp support Sep 09 20:16:42 ;-) Sep 09 20:16:44 forget* Sep 09 20:17:21 Pali, RC4 decryption algorithm has been leaked ages ago Sep 09 20:17:32 why was selected Rijndael and not Serpent? Now I cannot find info about it... Sep 09 20:17:51 Pali, RC4? Sep 09 20:17:58 AES Sep 09 20:18:37 oh imho there are no known cryptanalysis method in the wild/zoo except brute force. Sep 09 20:18:41 i may be wrong. Sep 09 20:19:08 someone with crypto in-depth can help i have little knowledge Sep 09 20:21:33 Pali: from what i read, Rijndael was selected because of it's speed... Sep 09 20:21:54 not just speed. Sep 09 20:22:07 but also because of the fact you don't need seperate hardwar for encrypt and decrypt Sep 09 20:23:33 fpga's asic's can really do it fast. Sep 09 20:59:26 This Neo900 business... Sep 09 20:59:32 Very skeptical. Sep 09 21:00:49 but exciting! Sep 09 21:02:00 What kernel is it going to run? If I understood this correctly, it's supposed to run fremantle. Which is a bit of joke. The distro is ancient! Sep 09 21:02:19 it will have a recent kernel. Sep 09 21:02:24 Shapeshifter: it's supposed to run any free distro you want Sep 09 21:02:25 perhaps read more and less sceptisism Sep 09 21:02:57 QtMoko, SHR, Debian - compatibility from day 0, as they already work on GTA04 Sep 09 21:03:10 Aha. Sep 09 21:03:11 and there will be Fremantle port Sep 09 21:03:49 I wonder if it could run sailfish Sep 09 21:04:12 which I hope will bring some new life into replacing closed blobs effort Sep 09 21:04:47 so in long run Fremantle will be able to get some modern, free grounds Sep 09 21:04:56 jeez 700 euros is steep though. Sep 09 21:05:19 but I suppose it's fair in case it actually lives up. Sep 09 21:06:37 yeah, you can't go cheaper with such low production runs Sep 09 21:06:48 we hope for something about 200-300 orders Sep 09 21:06:58 make an estimate: how long does it take for N900 (thumbed, not overclocked), to copy a total of 1650 mp3 files, total size: 12,5GB, from a normal-speed microSDcard to its flash memory? Sep 09 21:07:06 if there will be more zeros at the end, it will be much cheaper ;) Sep 09 21:08:14 bennypr0fane: the only real thing that matters is microsd card read speed and flash-memory write speed. Sep 09 21:08:30 Wizzup, what about ram? Sep 09 21:08:37 why would it matter Sep 09 21:09:11 RAM won't help in that situation, Wizzup already noted the primary bottlenecks Sep 09 21:09:12 because there'll be a lot of shovelling going on there, no? Sep 09 21:09:13 In the default config: ages Sep 09 21:09:37 I would just leave the music on the microsd card, btw. Sep 09 21:09:45 Save both size and your expensive mmc Sep 09 21:09:48 the MicroSD is class 4 Sep 09 21:09:56 yeah, they are fast enough to read from in mediaplayer Sep 09 21:10:00 don't waste mmc on it Sep 09 21:10:01 on my N900: less than 40 minutes Sep 09 21:10:11 ShadowJK, um, what? Sep 09 21:10:15 no way Sep 09 21:11:00 dos1: The GTA04 board looks very different from an N900 board. Who's designing the layout? Sep 09 21:11:40 Shapeshifter: Golden Delicious, probably together with DocScrutinizer05 :P Sep 09 21:11:50 actually, I wanted to transfer the files from one sdcard to another one I meant to put in N900, just using N900 as the computer for this operation Sep 09 21:12:29 which gsm module? Sep 09 21:12:39 and is the gsm stack open? Sep 09 21:13:22 quackquack1: Option, as mentioned in the post Sep 09 21:13:42 used stack will probably be FSO (freesmartphone.org), as it already works nicely on GTA04 Sep 09 21:13:50 and it's free Sep 09 21:13:56 as the name suggests ;) Sep 09 21:13:57 cool Sep 09 21:14:14 anyway, I started the operation around 4:30 before going to school. Now I'm back, it's a little 11:00, and it still ain't done (~1250 of 1650) Sep 09 21:14:21 and chipset? i havent looked into the project. Sep 09 21:14:42 for Fremantle port we'll have to RE dbus interfaces of currect maemos CSD, to implement some CSD-FSO bridge Sep 09 21:14:44 ~neo900 Sep 09 21:14:44 well, neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Sep 09 21:14:48 ...and it just flunked out with an error Sep 09 21:14:49 or http://neo900.org/ Sep 09 21:15:00 one moment Sep 09 21:15:18 and here I was thinking It'd be done by the first break Sep 09 21:16:25 * quackquack1 gets ready to prebook Sep 09 21:16:35 advance booking please. xD Sep 09 21:17:14 buyers patience is adviced :) Sep 09 21:17:30 okay Sep 09 21:17:37 * quackquack1 takes the chill pill Sep 09 21:18:18 by the way can we write our own x-loader? Sep 09 21:18:19 we'll probably go with some crowdfunding soon, to pay for prototypes Sep 09 21:18:32 i mean i am planning to port coreboot to n900. Sep 09 21:18:54 so if there is any need for porting coreboot to this device? count me in. Sep 09 21:19:10 quackquack1: of course you can, bootloader is easily replacable Sep 09 21:19:51 dos1, not the x-loader but coreboot from www.coreboot.org Sep 09 21:20:27 stuff like that won't differ from GTA04, which except GPU acceleration and WiFi firmware is 100% free Sep 09 21:21:06 afaik its non HS chipset Sep 09 21:21:13 in GTA04 am i right? Sep 09 21:21:44 bennypr0fane; tested with 2 gigs of mp3s (dont have more free space), and it looks more like 60m for me Sep 09 21:21:57 (for 12.5g) Sep 09 21:22:30 if the BL1 (boot loader 1 st stage) is not encrypted then we can very well port coreboot as initial bootloader, dos1 Sep 09 21:22:39 quackquack1: everything in GTA04 is unlocked, so I guess it's not HS - it would be pretty pointless :P Sep 09 21:22:51 cool then Sep 09 21:23:03 i will download the document and start working. Sep 09 21:29:00 dos1: is there no free wifi chip out there? Sep 09 21:29:09 I'm not surprised about the GPU Sep 09 21:29:41 dunno. Maybe only that one was easily available in low volumes Sep 09 21:30:07 maybe in Neo900 there will be some free one Sep 09 21:30:08 ShadowJK, turns it was actually less than 8GB, not done after 6 hours! Sep 09 21:30:09 or not, we'll see Sep 09 21:31:11 I'm still very pessimistic. Sep 09 21:31:39 We'll see indeed. Sep 09 21:50:27 replacement for Nokia's hands video on boot for Neo900 - what do you think? :D Sep 09 21:50:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iWEN70-UWs Sep 09 22:01:17 well dos1 shall we all move to openphoenux channel? Sep 09 22:02:54 there's none; but well, it's going to be umbrella project for Maemo phone Sep 09 22:03:02 I guess any Neo900 talk can stay here :P Sep 09 22:03:08 LTE modem really? Sep 09 22:03:44 yup, seems to be pretty possible :) Sep 09 22:06:33 probably there will be choice for either 3.5G or 4G modem Sep 09 22:07:05 as Option GTM601 (3.5G) and GTM801 (4G) are pin-compatible Sep 09 22:07:23 so if you don't need 4G you can save few bucks on it Sep 09 22:09:26