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Sep 10 07:30:32 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Sep 10 07:30:33 <infobot> aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51
Sep 10 07:43:17 <DocScrutinizer51> ~neo900
Sep 10 07:43:18 <infobot> i heard neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/
Sep 10 09:07:07 <Macer> wow win8 blows oln a desktop heh
Sep 10 09:07:09 <DrCode> hi all
Sep 10 09:07:23 <DrCode> I need to send my phone to repair
Sep 10 09:07:30 <Macer> i didnt even hook my n900 up
Sep 10 09:07:38 <Macer> DrCode: usb port fall off? lol
Sep 10 09:08:00 <DrCode> I my get new n900 phone, how can I backup all my apps , sms and etc? is there way to make dd from emmc?
Sep 10 09:08:06 <Macer> be careful. nokia might send you an e7 back hehe
Sep 10 09:08:07 <DrCode> I don't want to start install all again
Sep 10 09:08:09 <DrCode> no
Sep 10 09:08:15 <DrCode> the slider is going hard
Sep 10 09:08:23 <Macer> there is backupmenu i suppose
Sep 10 09:08:34 <DrCode> the reseller promise to send me same phone
Sep 10 09:09:05 <DrCode> I didn't bout it from nokia, its chaines n900
Sep 10 09:09:27 <Macer> not sure if it does sms etc. might have a full backup option
Sep 10 09:09:52 <Macer> im on #3 heh
Sep 10 09:10:12 <Macer> i wonder if a surface rt can do adhoc to connect it to my n900
Sep 10 09:10:31 <DrCode> I bout n900 like from chaina , its great phone , I think its the same like nokia n900
Sep 10 09:12:20 <Macer> some chinese resellers were selling knockoff ones
Sep 10 09:18:37 <DrCode> It worked well
Sep 10 09:19:10 <DrCode> appbackup will backup all apps with config, I will not have to reinstall .deb in the new phone?
Sep 10 09:23:09 <thedead1440> Macer: last i read, winrt doesn't have ad-hoc support hence it can't even connect to an ad-hoc network
Sep 10 09:26:28 <DocScrutinizer51> DrCode: backup restore wll do for you
Sep 10 09:27:10 <DocScrutinizer51> it has a list of deb to download and install
Sep 10 09:29:53 <DocScrutinizer51> DrCode: of course a BM backup would be best
Sep 10 09:29:59 <DocScrutinizer51> ~BM
Sep 10 09:30:00 <infobot> it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Sep 10 09:48:21 <DrCode> thanku
Sep 10 09:48:57 <DrCode> I want to install backupmenu but the download link is broken
Sep 10 10:09:48 <DocScrutinizer51> BM should be in extras-devel repository
Sep 10 10:10:17 <DocScrutinizer51> installable via appmanager aka HAM
Sep 10 10:16:51 <DrCode> DocScrutinizer05, how do I had extras-devl?
Sep 10 10:17:01 <DrCode> I am using ccsu
Sep 10 10:28:27 <Pali> ~extras-devel
Sep 10 10:28:28 <infobot> hmm... extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel
Sep 10 13:46:54 <mashina> finally got a data plan
Sep 10 13:47:00 <mashina> ssh and irc in the car!
Sep 10 13:47:21 <mashina> that sim tray is fiddly as hell
Sep 10 13:48:03 <Apic> =)
Sep 10 13:50:29 <mashina> im passenger
Sep 10 13:50:33 <mashina> no safety worries
Sep 10 13:51:04 <mashina> but yeah i accidentally snapped out the tray flap
Sep 10 13:51:22 <mashina> put it back in... no wonder people say that tray breaks
Sep 10 13:52:17 <DocScrutinizer06> tzzz
Sep 10 13:52:38 <DocScrutinizer06> we will look for one made from massive steel, for Neo900
Sep 10 13:53:19 <mashina> look at the nokia c3 for a good one, uses the exact same battery but nicer cover for sim - simpler
Sep 10 13:53:19 <DocScrutinizer06> with a mugen cover, we might get it fitted
Sep 10 13:53:39 <mashina> pretty good try for a $20 phone
Sep 10 13:54:13 <mashina> maybe gps will work a lot better
Sep 10 13:54:22 <mashina> now that agps can kick in
Sep 10 13:54:31 <DocScrutinizer06> admittedly those things are clumsy
Sep 10 13:55:02 <mashina> i'm not sure if i can do 3G, it tops at either 2.5 or 2G
Sep 10 13:55:04 <DocScrutinizer06> change to supl.google.com
Sep 10 13:55:04 <jon_y> the Neo900 will be built with 250mm thich steel case
Sep 10 13:55:13 <jon_y> enough to withstand a tank gun
Sep 10 13:55:15 <jon_y> :)
Sep 10 13:55:19 <mashina> prob diff bands, I'm on rogers/at&t bands
Sep 10 13:55:21 <DocScrutinizer06> fron russian tanks
Sep 10 13:55:35 <jon_y> well, WW2 era tanks anyway
Sep 10 13:56:05 <DocScrutinizer06> we dived up steel in bikini atoll
Sep 10 13:56:22 <DocScrutinizer06> there's a lot there
Sep 10 13:56:39 <jon_y> hmm, radioactive steel
Sep 10 13:56:45 <mashina> jonjon true winter war and 3310 heritage
Sep 10 13:56:46 <mashina> starting to get laggy
Sep 10 13:56:57 <mashina> 4bars with lag
Sep 10 13:57:05 <mashina> but im moving at like 80kph
Sep 10 13:57:40 <DocScrutinizer06> 3G and at&t don't work together well, I heard
Sep 10 13:58:03 <mashina> yeah im on rogerds which is at&t bands up north
Sep 10 13:58:05 <jon_y> GSM, in the USA?
Sep 10 13:58:10 <mashina> canada
Sep 10 13:58:14 <jon_y> oh ok
Sep 10 13:58:34 <jon_y> I remember my N900 keeps showing 2.5G in the US
Sep 10 13:58:44 <jon_y> not sure if I remembered wrongly
Sep 10 13:58:54 <DocScrutinizer06> anyway, if problems with GPS: change supl server to supl.google.com
Sep 10 13:59:02 <mashina> its gsm our cdma carriers switched
Sep 10 13:59:10 <DocScrutinizer06> and ask freemangordon about latest patches
Sep 10 13:59:21 <mashina> i havent added cssu yet
Sep 10 14:00:41 <mashina> edge sucks lag wise
Sep 10 14:00:41 <mashina> i can tolerate speed but lag i hate
Sep 10 14:01:43 <mashina> but like i said moving fast
Sep 10 14:01:43 <mashina> ok i can see what looks like the cell tower from here
Sep 10 14:02:41 <mashina> onna disconnect my tmux
Sep 10 14:09:01 <mashina> alright parked now, laggy but not bunged up bad
Sep 10 14:09:26 <mashina> ssh -C should reduce usage to fit my 500MB cap
Sep 10 14:10:06 <mashina> should try tor maybe too
Sep 10 14:33:16 <kerio> ssh compression is a must, both for lag and for traffic usage
Sep 10 14:33:38 <kerio> at least, for small amounts of data
Sep 10 14:33:47 <kerio> if you can send a whole screenful in a single packet, you don't get that annoying jitter
Sep 10 14:34:21 <kerio> come back next week for the next episode of "shit i learned about terminals when playing nethack"
Sep 10 14:40:36 <mashina> heh
Sep 10 14:40:42 <mashina> on public wifi now
Sep 10 14:40:52 <mashina> quite a bit nicer lag wise
Sep 10 15:31:09 <jonwil> ok, I have now identified what should be all the dbus interfaces we need to support in fsogsmd for Neo900 (either support them or take the things that are using them and rewrite/clone/replace them)
Sep 10 15:31:33 <jonwil> so yeah that covers everything we need to replace in order to replace the cellular services daemon going forward :)
Sep 10 15:32:59 <jonwil> We have full documentation for /com/nokia/csd/gprs and  /com/nokia/phone/net
Sep 10 15:33:45 <jonwil> And we have what should hopefully be full dbus introspection details for  /com/nokia/csd/call,  /com/nokia/csd/info, /com/nokia/phone/sms and /com/nokia/csd/ss
Sep 10 15:34:14 <jonwil> its only /com/nokia/phone/sim, /com/nokia/phone/sim/security and /com/nokia/phone/sim/phonebook where we dont have full details :)
Sep 10 15:47:43 <DocScrutinizer05> jonwil: that sounds awesome
Sep 10 15:48:19 <DocScrutinizer05> phonebook is boring - and probbaly can get done way better than what we have now
Sep 10 15:48:34 <DocScrutinizer05> sim/security is not much
Sep 10 15:48:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sim is cloudy
Sep 10 15:49:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm afraid sim will hold a lot of surprises for us
Sep 10 15:50:09 <DocScrutinizer05> niche cases you rather wouldn't even think of
Sep 10 15:50:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I think we at least can ignore simlock ;-)
Sep 10 15:56:31 <jonwil> Let me see of the things that use com.nokia.phone.sim.* which bits they actually use
Sep 10 15:59:21 <jonwil> Quite a few of them only use phone.sim.* to get imsi/imei
Sep 10 16:17:57 <jonwil> oooh neat, csd-sim has some info on the methods it exposes after all, functions in that lib have names like m_Phone_Sim__authenticate_sim_card_ay
Sep 10 16:18:04 <jonwil> so Phone_Sim is the interface
Sep 10 16:18:15 <jonwil> authenticate_sim_card is the method
Sep 10 16:18:18 <jonwil> and ay is the args
Sep 10 16:25:16 <dos11> jonwil: nice!
Sep 10 16:25:30 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Sep 10 16:45:15 <RiD> hey DocScrutinizer05!
Sep 10 16:51:27 <jonwil> so yeah in theory we can probably figure out the format (parameters, return type) of most of the dbus messages related to the cellular services daemon. Doesn't help us figure out what they do or what the values actually mean though :(
Sep 10 16:54:55 <jonwil> Too bad some anonymous Nokia person hasn't leaked libcscall-blah.tar.gz or libsim-blah.tar.gz or libsms-blah.tar.gz :P
Sep 10 16:55:58 <dos1> all anonymous Nokia persons over here - we need your help!
Sep 10 16:57:09 <dos1> cookies for docs, deal? :)
Sep 10 17:12:44 <mike-hun> hello.my n900's board is damaged,but found pcb board for sale without spare parts.does it worth to buy it or are there any phone recycling companies in the uk where can I buy a new board?
Sep 10 17:17:31 <mike-hun> thank you
Sep 10 17:17:51 <RiD> ?
Sep 10 17:19:46 <mike-hun> what chances i have to get a new board?
Sep 10 17:32:03 <wnd> not again.. telepathy + gtalk fails with informative "network error".
Sep 10 17:47:09 <Win7Mac> tmo down?
Sep 10 17:47:15 <dos1> seems so
Sep 10 17:47:48 <thedead1440> maintenance being carried out
Sep 10 17:48:04 <Win7Mac> without notice?
Sep 10 17:48:35 <RiD> actually you had notice
Sep 10 17:48:36 <RiD> afaik
Sep 10 17:49:25 <thedead1440> i'm not sure of the notice too; just saw that a snapshot of talk was required hence the vm is frozzen..
Sep 10 17:49:53 <dos1> k
Sep 10 17:51:17 <thedead1440> frozen*
Sep 10 18:07:29 <sixwheeledbeast> maintenance was completed over the weekend AFAIK
Sep 10 18:07:38 <sixwheeledbeast> down for me too.
Sep 10 18:08:50 <dos1> vBulletin Message: TMO is on maintenance. We will be back soon.
Sep 10 18:09:13 <dos1> got it few minutes ago, now it's down again
Sep 10 18:09:35 <dos1> so I have no doubt there is mainternance going on right now :P
Sep 10 18:24:20 <sixwheeledbeast> seems all is back?
Sep 10 18:24:41 <Win7Mac> looks gooood
Sep 10 19:15:01 <dos1> I just found some old Nokia 3410 case
Sep 10 19:15:08 <dos1> hmm... Neo3410 anyone? :D
Sep 10 19:15:21 <RiD> dafaq
Sep 10 19:16:31 <dos1> imagine that bragging abilities
Sep 10 19:16:40 <dos1> "I have put Maemo to my 3410!"
Sep 10 19:17:15 <RiD> well
Sep 10 19:17:20 <RiD> that's like saying you put a ferrari in a fiat
Sep 10 19:35:12 <kerio> put an abarth in a fiat :D
Sep 10 19:35:48 <sixwheeledbeast> :)
Sep 10 19:36:09 <sixwheeledbeast> TC130 engine in a panda :D
Sep 10 19:56:34 <sixwheeledbeast> grr...pidgin
Sep 10 20:15:33 <sledges> there's a panda club, quite big in italy , ca 200bhp engines :)
Sep 10 20:36:02 <sixwheeledbeast> 200? you wouldn't get that from the old "999 fire" engine. :) 
Sep 10 21:29:24 <sledges> replacements
Sep 10 23:19:13 <brolin_empey> Does anyone here use the BlackBerry 10 OS?
Sep 10 23:19:22 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Sep 10 23:20:32 <brolin_empey> GeneralAntilles: Do you personally use it?
Sep 10 23:24:09 <GeneralAntilles> brolin_empey, yeah, Z10 is my primary device right now.
Sep 10 23:28:01 <brolin_empey> GeneralAntilles: I am interested in the BlacKBerry Q10 because I want an integrated hardware keyboard.  I guess the BlackBerry 10 OS is the same on the Z10 as on the Q10, though?
Sep 10 23:32:33 <brolin_empey> GeneralAntilles: What do you think of the BlackBerry 10 OS?  Is it suitable for hackers?  Is it friendly to Free/libre Software?  Does it have external USB Host capability?
Sep 10 23:35:08 <GeneralAntilles> It's not Fremantle or Harmattan.
Sep 10 23:35:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's a nice substitute if hacking isn't a requirement
Sep 10 23:35:19 <GeneralAntilles> But it's not a mobile computer.
Sep 10 23:35:23 <brolin_empey> GeneralAntilles: Can I use a Command-Line Interface on the BlackBerry 10 OS?
Sep 10 23:35:28 <GeneralAntilles> No
Sep 10 23:35:34 <GeneralAntilles> SSH is mostly available
Sep 10 23:35:37 <GeneralAntilles> But local term is not.
Sep 10 23:48:04 <brolin_empey> GeneralAntilles: SSH client and server?
Sep 10 23:56:48 <GeneralAntilles> brolin_empey, Android player apps.
Sep 10 23:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> For client
Sep 10 23:56:54 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't seen a server.
Sep 10 23:59:42 <M4rtinK> the QNX shell is also VERY limited
Sep 10 23:59:57 <M4rtinK> only bare POSIX requirements I guess
Sep 11 00:27:39 <M4rtinK> BTW, new modRana version is out ! :)
Sep 11 00:28:11 <M4rtinK> for more info see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373533&postcount=1445
Sep 11 01:41:38 <DrCode> hi al
Sep 11 01:41:44 <DrCode> how can I install backupmenu?
Sep 11 01:42:13 <DrCode> I want to backup my phone before I send it to repair, so I can restore it back easly
Sep 11 01:44:51 <robbiethe1st> apt-get install backupmenu?
Sep 11 01:45:02 <robbiethe1st> It's in the repo
Sep 11 01:45:56 <DrCode> I tryeid
Sep 11 01:46:00 <DrCode> I have cssu
Sep 11 01:46:09 <DrCode> it can't find it
Sep 11 01:47:02 <robbiethe1st> Does cssu disable the regular extras-testing repo?
Sep 11 01:47:59 <robbiethe1st> also, send it in for repair?
Sep 11 01:48:00 <robbiethe1st> to who?
Sep 11 01:48:05 <robbiethe1st> and what's wrong with it?
Sep 11 01:52:11 <DocScrutinizer05> kow's about apt-get update ?
Sep 11 01:52:19 <robbiethe1st> I know Nokia doesn't repair N900s anymore, usually... they'll give you a newer replacement phone, last I knew.
Sep 11 01:52:31 <DrCode> no
Sep 11 01:52:44 <DrCode> its not nokia , its a chaines like
Sep 11 01:52:48 <DrCode> yes
Sep 11 01:52:53 <DrCode> thats what thay said
Sep 11 01:53:08 <DrCode> bcz that I need to backu pmy phone
Sep 11 01:53:21 <DrCode> any idea? can I install it manualy?
Sep 11 01:53:27 <robbiethe1st> So, make sure the repo is installed, and try apt-get install backupmenu
Sep 11 01:54:04 <robbiethe1st> repo list is in /etc/apt/sources*.list files
Sep 11 01:54:13 <DrCode> ok
Sep 11 01:54:23 <DrCode> what do I need to add there?
Sep 11 01:54:47 <robbiethe1st> Um, what do you have in it?
Sep 11 02:00:31 <DrCode> I don't have myphone near
Sep 11 02:00:32 <DrCode> what repos is recommanded to use?
Sep 11 02:02:09 <robbiethe1st> Um, I know backupmenu is in extras-devel, pretty sure it's in extras-testing
Sep 11 02:02:45 <DrCode> is it recommanded to use cssu?
Sep 11 02:03:04 <robbiethe1st> Uh, I don't know. 
Sep 11 02:03:07 <DrCode> mybe  I am doing somthing wrong
Sep 11 02:03:11 <robbiethe1st> Recommended by whom?
Sep 11 02:03:24 <robbiethe1st> Cssu is the community improved version of maemo 5
Sep 11 02:03:54 <robbiethe1st> I haven't used it myself, but I know a number of people who use cssu with backupmenu; backupmenu works at a very low level
Sep 11 02:05:19 <DrCode> ok
Sep 11 02:05:21 <DrCode> thankyou
Sep 11 02:05:29 <DrCode> I will check it, mybe I have install wrong cssu
Sep 11 02:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get update
Sep 11 02:08:08 <DocScrutinizer05> actually, install extras-devel
Sep 11 02:08:24 <DocScrutinizer05> click on installfile in browser
Sep 11 02:09:37 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g. this one:  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install
Sep 11 02:10:55 <DocScrutinizer05> editing the files is a poor idea
Sep 11 02:11:57 <DocScrutinizer05> but if you absolutely want to do it: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/apt/  and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/hildon-application-manager/
Sep 11 02:13:15 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how you could install wrong CSSU
Sep 11 02:36:37 <ds_shadof> how to make pidgin not to open instantly new messages when they arrive?
Sep 11 02:42:40 <Kilroo> I feel like I've gone from depressingly few options to too many in short order.
Sep 11 02:44:12 <Kilroo> Before, I was frustrated with how few options seemed worth getting to replace my n900 and with how dated it was starting to feel. Now, I'm excited about the Jolla, excited about the Neo900, and somehow I've become more tempted than I ever was before to try out an N10.
Sep 11 02:44:42 <Kilroo> ...Possibly due to discovering that during the time I've been considering it not to be an option the price for an n9 has like...thirded.
Sep 11 02:45:48 <Kilroo> I'm still a little hesitant about a capacitive screen on a phone, though.
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