**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 17 02:59:58 2013 Sep 17 05:54:29 moooo Sep 17 05:55:25 boooo **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 17 06:12:43 2013 Sep 17 06:14:29 Joy o joy with old nokia's discontinued products *sigh*. Sep 17 06:52:31 well Sep 17 06:52:44 guess the tethering service for tmob could be added to a prepay acct for $15/month Sep 17 06:52:56 so $45/month with the tethering included and unlimited data. i guess i can live with that Sep 17 06:53:16 better than ATTs $110 with no txting lol Sep 17 07:03:06 God USA phone plans suck Sep 17 07:08:49 Still sounds a lot better than the ones offered in .au :p there's no truly "unlimited" 3G plans. Sep 17 07:13:50 I live in .au and the plan I am on is far better than most of what the USA seems to get Sep 17 07:14:34 Does yours provide truly unlimited data plan for $45-$90? Sep 17 07:14:46 Here in Oz I pay $15.95 per month and get 1GB of data plus $300 worth of credit to use on calls, text and data Sep 17 07:15:06 I personally have never seen one yet I live in .au as well. All the plans seems to have extra costs if you exceed the quota. Sep 17 07:15:13 I can use my $300 on anything except international calls, international roaming and premium rate numbers Sep 17 07:15:26 Ah so your's isn't even unlimited :) Sep 17 07:15:28 and yes I pay extra if I go over the $300 Sep 17 07:15:45 but I have never hit that limit and I am a fairly heavy user (of data in particular) Sep 17 07:15:46 or probably as well you pay extra if you went over 1GB/month plan. Sep 17 07:16:05 if I use more than 1GB per month, I can use my $300 included credit on data Sep 17 07:16:17 at 0.2c per kb Sep 17 07:16:21 I'm sure running a few torrents through 3G will see you hit that limit in no time for instance.. or even mirroring repo.maemo.org. Sep 17 07:16:27 yes that is true Sep 17 07:17:25 but that's what my 500GB ADSL2+ plan is for Sep 17 07:17:37 I'd rather have a truly unlimited plan where I wouldn't have to worry about exceeding any sort of bandwidth (3G-wise). However the companies here are more than willing to take money off you should you exceed your specified quota. Sep 17 07:17:51 Yeah.. and being chained to wherever your ADSL2+ connection is. :) Sep 17 07:18:19 fine by me, I have 2 computers and both are desktops Sep 17 07:18:32 I too have truly unlimited ADSL2+ here but its pointless because I have to stay at home just to use it.. its a huge pain. Sep 17 07:19:12 I have no real need to use lots of data when I am out and about, if I am downloading big files I can do it at home Sep 17 07:19:47 Heh one of my laptops recently died but even if it didn't die or if I plan to use my device/phone for heavy internet usage such as torrenting some brand spanking new indie music I'd be paying through my nose if I wasn't cautions. Sep 17 07:20:23 yeah that's why I dont use my N900 for anything bandwidth-heavy Sep 17 07:20:23 *shrugs* I guess that's where we differ :) preferences but regardless, there's no truly "unlimited" plan in .au for 3G. Simply put. Sep 17 07:20:38 yeah true Sep 17 07:21:04 I haven't seen an 100% unlimited data plan in the US either Sep 17 07:21:26 At once I did make my N900 mirror a few large sites, obviously not through 3G because I'd be paying through my nose if I were that stupid/naive. Sep 17 07:22:03 *shrugs* I've heard they offer plans that will cap you (yes on 3G or whatever else they had) once you hit your quota. Nothing like that here. Sep 17 07:22:23 I haven't heard of those Sep 17 07:22:33 Over there they force you to pay expensive costs for a "data pack" just because you have a smartphone even if you dont want big amounts of data Sep 17 07:22:52 oh and "smartphone" means whatever the carrier wants it to mean Sep 17 07:24:37 Heh I was on "data pack" some 3 years ago. It was one of the three optional packs because I chose to pay with rather expensive plan. The "data plan" offered 300MB instead of.. I don't know probably 100MB, instead I forfeit SMS pack or call pack just for data pack. Sep 17 07:25:40 * psycho_oreos is certain there's probably better plans in US. Even their connections throughout city-wise is reasonably faster (on the average) compared to .au. Sep 17 07:27:45 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/17/jolla_sailfish_os_android_support/ Sep 17 07:29:58 Oh yeah that reminds me, I need to go back and fix this bloody issue up. Sep 17 08:32:22 DocScrutinizer05: I will remove the link as soon as I am home tonight (tapatalk) Sep 17 11:04:01 chem|st: thanks! Sep 17 11:13:01 DocScrutinizer05, Sep 17 11:13:34 You summoned me? Sep 17 11:14:05 yep dude. can i send you a private message? Sep 17 11:14:15 dunno, can you? Sep 17 11:14:20 ;-) Sep 17 11:14:41 i does. Sep 17 11:14:44 it does. Sep 17 14:21:11 the USB-OTG cable works with a USB key i tried, but no luck with the RTLSDR :( Sep 17 14:25:15 RTLSDR? Sep 17 14:27:13 Ahh DVB-T chip. I guess you'd need to compile the kernel driver/driver as I don't think anyone else would have used N900 for DVB-T stuff. Sep 17 14:38:44 psycho_oreos: wrong Sep 17 14:38:58 psycho_oreos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373762#post1373762 Sep 17 14:39:14 well, not exactly dvb-t Sep 17 14:39:32 n900 can't prolly do that, not enough grunt, no drivers Sep 17 14:39:54 but we're talking about SDR, not DVB-T Sep 17 14:41:58 DocScrutinizer05, interesting, though when I googled RTLSDR, the first few results were DVB-T stuff. If only LjL had specified it was SDR stuff. :p Sep 17 14:42:07 LjL: you used the enhanced booston script? (you do when you installed a semi-recent H-E-N). You might want to define a LED pattern in mce.ini to give you a clue about boostmode still active or already failed out due to e.g. overcurrent protection. rtlsdr sticks are power greedy Sep 17 14:43:17 psycho_oreos: RTLSDR is about abusing a rtl2832 chip based dvb-t stick for SDR Sep 17 14:51:01 psycho_oreos, these cheap USB keys are *meant* to be DVB-T receivers, but in practice, people found out they can be used as pretty powerful and generic SDR receivers. they dubbed this use "RTLSDR" Sep 17 14:51:35 DocScrutinizer05: hm, i tried using Pali's (?) usb host enabler script, which does have a LED pattern, and it stays on. but with h-e-n i currently have no LED pattern Sep 17 14:51:50 still, the RTLSDR's blue LED stays on Sep 17 14:51:56 so it's getting *some* current Sep 17 14:53:08 DocScrutinizer05 && LjL, ahh I see. All this is starting to make sense (as I was just reading wikipedia entries about it). Sep 17 14:53:51 DocScrutinizer05: oh yeah i used the enhanced booston, maybe it was already in h-e-n, but anyway i copied it manually from your forum post about it Sep 17 14:56:36 Pali's USB host enabler script is convenient as long as it works, but every so often it just fails where H-E-N still works Sep 17 14:57:36 LjL: for LED pattern in H-E-N booston script you need to define a pattern in /etc/mce/mce.ini Sep 17 14:58:05 booston script has a comment about that part Sep 17 14:58:50 I didn't add an auto-installed since that would have pulled in additional dependencies Sep 17 14:58:59 installer* Sep 17 15:09:41 DocScrutinizer05, need to leave home now so can't try right away, but i'll let you know Sep 17 15:09:55 :nod: Sep 17 15:27:47 hooray Sep 17 15:27:55 filesystem corrupt for a 3rd time Sep 17 15:49:05 incredible Sep 17 15:51:42 and this time it was definitely not caused by a hard shutdown Sep 17 15:52:08 because my last shutdown was due to a battery dying... Sep 17 16:45:45 sorry for tmo IP-ban fsckup. Techstaff hopes your tmo admin will sort it out in due time Sep 17 16:46:51 if you're not affected, all the better Sep 17 20:13:08 question about ebook(epub) readers on maemo -- i have fbreader, mebook, and dorian installed (listed in order of worst to best performance). however all these can't do annotations/highlighting in epub files. Xournal can do this for PDfs, but obviously doesn't support EPUB. Sep 17 20:13:59 is there a reader that can add annotations or highlighting o an EPUB file one Maemo? Sep 17 20:14:14 s/one/on/ Sep 17 20:14:15 Sicelo meant: is there a reader that can add annotations or highlighting o an EPUB file on Maemo? Sep 17 20:15:03 s/g o/g to/ Sep 17 20:15:03 Sicelo meant: is there a reader that can add annotations or highlighting to an EPUB file one Maemo? Sep 17 20:46:56 Sicelo: I have no idea but have you tried epubreader Sep 17 20:48:43 http://maemo.org/packages/view/epubreader/ Sep 17 21:05:28 how can i create a symlink in .sounds that redirects to a specific folder in my memory card? Sep 17 21:07:25 $ ln -s /media/mmc1/file .sounds/file Sep 17 21:07:32 if you haven't created a new filesystem on MyDocs, you don't Sep 17 21:08:01 it uses vfat by defalt, which doesn't support fancy things such as symlinks Sep 17 21:08:07 ugh Sep 17 21:08:13 you can symlink *to* vfat Sep 17 21:08:19 you cannot do that *on* it Sep 17 21:08:22 hmm... Sep 17 21:08:30 i guess that will do it. Sep 17 21:09:05 you could bind-mount a proper fs over .sounds :-) Sep 17 21:09:32 oh wait Sep 17 21:09:36 does symlink work on fat32? Sep 17 21:15:00 yeah it doesn't. Guess I'll have to live with it - too lazy to reformat mSD card, since it's sole purpose is to store & listen to music Sep 17 21:16:51 RiD: vfat == fat32 Sep 17 21:17:20 if you want to point to memory card, then it doesn't matter which fs it has Sep 17 21:17:33 what matters is which fs is where you want to place that link Sep 17 21:18:24 well i just wanted it to be sort of a simple "shortcut" to another folder, so that I don't have to separatedly browse mSD music on rockbox Sep 17 21:18:44 where is .sounds? in /home? Sep 17 21:18:55 /home/MyDocs/.sounds i guess Sep 17 21:19:13 MyDocs is vfat, so it won't work Sep 17 21:19:19 i noticed Sep 17 21:19:23 you would have to reformat MyDocs, not mSD card Sep 17 21:19:44 but the other way could work for me too - i can set rockbox file browser default location Sep 17 21:20:13 hm, maybe if I do a folder full of symlinks to these, on a different fs? Sep 17 21:21:29 it should work Sep 17 22:05:11 Hi there! Sep 17 22:05:14 Would you agree that option #2 here is the right way to go to install grub on a Laptop with 1 SSD for Ubuntu+Win7 and 1 HDD for data?: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=102097#p579913 Sep 17 23:14:21 DocScrutinizer05: neo900.org got some visits with trooli.fi referers Sep 17 23:14:51 hm? Sep 17 23:14:56 patent trolls? Sep 17 23:15:18 google translate: "Finland's leading investment and economic debate focuses on economically and ideologically totally independent forum." Sep 17 23:15:57 hmm Sep 17 23:16:24 but seems to be available only for registered Sep 17 23:16:25 still unclear what to think about it Sep 17 23:16:42 so dunno what's inside about neo900 Sep 17 23:17:36 since website update there were 18 referrals (for comparition: 25 from mwkn, 23 from slashdot) Sep 17 23:17:54 ooh, mwkn Sep 17 23:18:13 * DocScrutinizer05 forgot to check recent issue Sep 17 23:18:22 :) Sep 17 23:18:42 39 from facebook and 181 from tmo :D Sep 17 23:18:53 Woo, MWKN Sep 17 23:20:48 ms which killed nokia Sep 17 23:22:11 * DocScrutinizer05 just started to wonder why Jolla can sell a 300EUR preorder tshirt when Neo900 worries about how to get 15k bucks to develop prototypes Sep 17 23:22:26 there are also referrals from various blog posts, mostly in foreign languages Sep 17 23:22:52 this trooli.fi being the only mysterious one Sep 17 23:24:00 I mean, what jolla promises to deliver eventually (basically nothing specific at all), we can promise just as well Sep 17 23:24:48 More modern? Sep 17 23:24:53 backing of a real company? Sep 17 23:24:54 well, let's be honest - for now "walk on, nothing to see here!" on Neo900.org Sep 17 23:25:22 hmm, trooli means trawl in Finnish, so I guess it's some news robot or something Sep 17 23:25:34 err wait, 100EUR preorder Sep 17 23:25:40 rightß Sep 17 23:25:44 ? Sep 17 23:26:31 dos1: google it, there must be something known about this site Sep 17 23:28:01 ok, "news bot" is a red herring Sep 17 23:28:03 "The country's leading stock market experts gathered to it anonymously on a daily basis. If you want to succeed and make the first miljoonasi quickly as trooli.fi is the right address. Does not require an email or a name, so you can chat with the investment problems anonymously!" Sep 17 23:28:11 (gtranslate of course) Sep 17 23:28:51 I wonder what "leading stock market experts" would want to discuss about neo900 :o Sep 17 23:30:35 well, something's fishy there: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&u=http://kaksplus.fi/keskustelu/plussalaiset/mitas-nyt/2261649-miten-saisin-trooli-fi-sta-varakkaan-miehen-itselleni-iskettya/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtrooli%2Bfi%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Diceweasel-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:pl-PL:unofficial Sep 17 23:30:49 I guess we need someone who knows Finnish to get proper answer :P Sep 17 23:31:44 * dos1 can sing Ievan Polkka, but that's it :) Sep 17 23:32:08 HUMPPA? Sep 17 23:34:44 dunno much about humppa, but I definitely cannot dance :D Sep 17 23:34:55 erm... "How can I hook up with a weathy gentleman at trooli.fi? They're wealthy and smart; just look at their huge 4x4s and booze cruises to Tallinn. They save loads of money that way, and I'd definitely have use for that money! [image link] I suppose they wouldn't have a poor, low-income women?" Sep 17 23:35:00 what a load of... Sep 17 23:35:54 wtf Sep 17 23:38:05 it's hard to translate badly written text that's as clueless as that Sep 17 23:38:39 thaks anyway X-D Sep 17 23:39:09 So I actually noticed today who you are on the forums, Doc. Sep 17 23:39:18 uhuh Sep 17 23:39:25 Kilroo haha, it wasn't instant for me either Sep 17 23:40:17 Kilroo: could you tell me? i'm wondering since long time who i am Sep 17 23:40:47 I know the feeling. I have no idea who I am. Sep 17 23:41:51 let's ask my darling infobot Sep 17 23:41:58 ~joerg Sep 17 23:41:58 joerg is probably a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer Sep 17 23:42:06 you're wealthy and smart, just look at your huge 4x4s! but I suppose you wouldn't have a... wait, no, stop Sep 17 23:42:09 ;) Sep 17 23:42:36 ~DocScrutinizer Sep 17 23:42:36 i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Sep 17 23:42:51 ~dos Sep 17 23:42:52 i guess dos is (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service... Sep 17 23:42:56 :) Sep 17 23:42:59 Hooray cross-referencing... Sep 17 23:43:02 ~Kilroo Sep 17 23:43:16 ~scriptninja Sep 17 23:43:21 Good. Sep 17 23:44:47 you have huge 4x4's? Sep 17 23:45:16 they're weathy gentleman at #maemo :) Sep 17 23:45:18 I still read 4x4 and think of a wooden beam before I think of a vehicle... Sep 17 23:45:41 i want to know what kind of 4x4's you own, Doc Sep 17 23:46:14 RiD: read scrollback, I think I just trolled you :D Sep 17 23:47:29 eh wat Sep 17 23:47:46 you messed up my brain Sep 17 23:51:39 yw :) Sep 17 23:53:13 see, you keep doing it Sep 17 23:54:27 I think I'd better go to sleep now Sep 17 23:54:33 before I mess up more innocent brains Sep 17 23:57:40 i am not innocent Sep 18 00:26:05 hah Sep 18 00:28:33 Question, would a "this is the problem with audio on the Neo900 and these are the solutions" type thing be better on the wiki or the forum? Sep 18 00:43:21 huh, that's kinda weird Sep 18 00:44:03 ran fsck from BM, didn't do a thing apparently.. tried fsck -nv on the /opt afterwards when in maemo - considered clean, all fine and good Sep 18 00:44:42 then I open xchat, and it can't open its' logs, I check, they're corrupted.. and now fsck -nv tells more or less that the entire fs is broken Sep 18 00:45:32 I don't really understand what fsck.ext2 really does (beyond attempting to repairr the file system) as I don't know how EXT works Sep 18 00:45:42 but that... doesn't make much sense to me Sep 18 00:46:10 ah well, guess I'll have to restore root+opt to last backup as usual Sep 18 00:46:45 whatever goes wrong with the file system, it's ALWAYS the xchat logs Sep 18 00:47:08 is there a filesize limit? should I back up my logs at the computer and restart them from scratch? Sep 18 00:48:09 it's possible that this will solve all my issues regarding corruption but I dunno Sep 18 00:49:49 xchatlogs is 363M (or something around it - pretty much all logs are corrupt atm as I haven't restored yet), /opt has 189M (i.e. 9%) free.. dunno what's safe and not Sep 18 00:50:26 it's the biggest part of the /opt for me by far Sep 18 00:54:15 holy shit, you need al those logs on device? Sep 18 00:54:26 put them on an sd card and wipe your logs Sep 18 00:55:29 like scrollback is enough log for me Sep 18 00:55:44 no I don't need them on device at all Sep 18 00:55:53 I do like preserving the logs though Sep 18 00:56:02 should probably backup them somewhere else Sep 18 00:56:09 even an sd card Sep 18 00:56:22 after all they're like 2 years old or something Sep 18 00:56:50 i never save logs Sep 18 00:57:04 except xchat scrollback but that has a limiot afaik Sep 18 00:57:17 I always do, everywhere I run a client, unless I forgot to :P Sep 18 00:57:43 but yeah, should get them somewhere so they'll not hurt the fs over and over Sep 18 00:58:02 forcing me to go to backup.. Sep 18 00:58:05 i have a bouncer, but it's a specialized software that only has desktop client Sep 18 00:58:16 could be easily ported though Sep 18 00:58:25 specialized bouncer...? why Sep 18 00:58:32 I use ZNC myself Sep 18 00:58:34 gtk# is ported to mameo Sep 18 00:58:48 Not the logging part of it though, but it should be trivial to turn on Sep 18 00:58:52 i use smuxi - it feels a lot more elegant than a traditionl bnc Sep 18 00:58:57 then I wouldn't need logging at all :P Sep 18 00:59:05 (besides that znc instance) Sep 18 01:02:22 quassel is another option Sep 18 01:02:41 quassel and smuxi are two similar clients Sep 18 01:03:15 i prefer smuxi myself as i support my C# on unix brethereb after rms led lynch mobs thinned their numbers Sep 18 01:03:35 also dev is cool and i help him with bugs Sep 18 01:19:47 jonwil: wiki, definitely Sep 18 01:20:02 ok Sep 18 01:48:12 Now creating http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio Sep 18 01:48:38 Going to state the goal, the problem and the theoretical solutions **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 18 03:00:00 2013