**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 28 02:59:58 2013
Sep 28 03:45:34 <ecc3g> the messybox devs have looked into this, it drops root privs for everything but su, ping, etc. or at least it tries to...  Not to say there may be bugs and be exploitable but they did add in support for it
Sep 28 03:46:13 <ecc3g> I have an embedded box with suid busybox, I don't get a rootshell when I run busybox ash, but can su and ping with it.
Sep 28 05:20:19 <kerio> ecc3g: assuming one trusts busybox
Sep 28 05:20:29 <kerio> and it's kinda hard to do
Sep 28 05:20:32 <kerio> because busybox is HUUUUUUUGE
Sep 28 05:46:33 <psycho_oreos> The case is gets more worse when one uses busybox-power for instance and wants suid on that as well.
Sep 28 05:46:57 <psycho_oreos> s/is//
Sep 28 05:46:57 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: The case  gets more worse when one uses busybox-power for instance and wants suid on that as well.
Sep 28 05:47:39 <psycho_oreos> Hmm... }:/ *shrugs*
Sep 28 05:47:42 <psycho_oreos> !botsnack
Sep 28 05:47:48 <psycho_oreos> botsnack
Sep 28 05:48:02 <psycho_oreos> Gah.
Sep 28 06:48:56 <kerio> ~botsnack
Sep 28 06:48:56 <infobot> kerio: aw, gee
Sep 28 06:49:00 <kerio> ~<3
Sep 28 06:49:01 <infobot> i heard <3 is love
Sep 28 06:49:04 <kerio> it is!
Sep 28 08:03:10 <brolin_empey> Can I recover from my “$ time sudo chvt 1” experiment by using only the video console?  I know I could log in remotely via ssh but that would be cheating. :-P
Sep 28 08:06:17 <brolin_empey> To which virtual terminal is the X server attached on Maemo 5?
Sep 28 08:10:07 <brolin_empey> Incidentally:  Is rasterburn literally a terminal illness? ;-)
Sep 28 08:19:48 <brolin_empey> Haha:  brolin-N900 is disconnected from my LAN and, of course, I cannot connect it to my LAN without using the video console, which I cannot use until I run chvt via ssh, which I cannot do until I can access brolin-N900 via my LAN. :-D
Sep 28 08:25:45 * brolin_empey believes the moral of this story is to ensure that Maemo is remotely accessible /before/ experimenting with changing the foreground virtual terminal on Maemo.
Sep 28 08:32:09 <brolin_empey> freemangordon: Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches?
Sep 28 08:40:10 <Pali> brolin_empey: my notebook with maemo env is in service...
Sep 28 08:40:33 <Pali> need to wait until they repair it
Sep 28 08:56:51 <brolin_empey> Pali: OK.
Sep 28 09:16:28 <MrPingu> Hi
Sep 28 09:41:18 <jonwil> ~seen DocScrutinizer05
Sep 28 09:41:23 <infobot> docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko (11h 45m 53s) #openmoko-cdevel (11h 45m 53s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 8h 37m 5s, last said: 'btw how would messybox know that it shouldn't drop permissions for ping?'.
Sep 28 11:36:53 <jonwil> DocScrutinizer05: ping
Sep 28 15:05:17 <ZogG_laptop> ~botsnack
Sep 28 15:05:17 <infobot> :), ZogG_laptop
Sep 28 15:05:21 <ZogG_laptop> :)
Sep 28 15:08:11 <DocScrutinizer05> jonwil: pong
Sep 28 15:56:20 <ashley> is there a FOSS Game Boy Color emulator for Fremantle?
Sep 28 16:06:34 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, i'd be pretty surprised if not
Sep 28 16:07:32 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc there are gameboy "emulators" in verilog, for FPGA ;-)
Sep 28 16:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> so you would expect some silly software emulator been built by a student for his graduate in CS
Sep 28 16:29:06 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, how much would a single NeoXXX cost if it was reworked to fit another case assuming that the Neo900 reaches the production threshold? (including payment for project members time to do the modified design etc etc)
Sep 28 16:43:51 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: please rephrase
Sep 28 16:44:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I seem too dull to parse that, atm
Sep 28 16:44:59 <DocScrutinizer05> you mean modify a GTA04 board build to custom, to fit in frankencase?
Sep 28 16:45:05 <qwazix> let's say I had the money to order a special-made NeoXXX board that fits into E7 case or Droid 4 case, how much would that cost, assuming Neo900 reaches production
Sep 28 16:45:17 <qwazix> yes exactly
Sep 28 16:45:35 <DocScrutinizer05> err, arounf 2500..6000
Sep 28 16:46:04 <DocScrutinizer05> feasibility analysis pending
Sep 28 16:47:04 <DocScrutinizer05> GTA04 already reached production, the situations wasn't any different for GTA04-NeoN board once we got it working
Sep 28 16:47:21 <qwazix> don't put any effort in that silly idea, I don't have that kind of money, but I'm just pondering whether building a Neo950, would help the project assuming N950's sell for outrageous prices
Sep 28 16:47:37 <DocScrutinizer05> NB that's a very rough and uneducated guess of me personally
Sep 28 16:48:34 <DocScrutinizer05> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CustomVariants/  ask Nikolaus
Sep 28 16:48:47 <dos1> ashley: I remember playing some GBC games on my N900
Sep 28 16:49:43 <qwazix> The line of thought was this, if synergies of working on Neo900 help drive the initial cost of creating another variant in a fancier case would be near 2k eur (a usual price for N950's on ebay) maybe selling just 2 of those could cover the initial investment, and then any more sold would help on the Neo900 bottom line by just increasing the total order number
Sep 28 16:50:07 * qwazix hopes he made some kind of sense
Sep 28 16:50:08 <joga> ashley, perhaps "vgb"
Sep 28 16:50:54 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: makes some kind of sense, but is missing on a specific detail: those costs are not income/profit
Sep 28 16:51:55 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW we will not own 2*2k of gambling money after selling 2 pcs franken-GTA04
Sep 28 16:52:21 <dos1> ashley: but it looks like VGB/VGBA aren't free
Sep 28 16:52:26 <dos1> maybe visualboyadvance?
Sep 28 16:53:50 <DocScrutinizer05> but yeah, we are considering to sell Neo900-protos unconditionally, no matter which threshold of preorders reached or not reached. For ~5k you can order one any time
Sep 28 16:55:11 <qwazix> I know, I'm just thinking that maybe there are X people interested in Neo900, Y people that would pay outrageous money for Neo950, and Z people that would pay the regular price for Neo950. Now if there is a scheme (kickstarter perks?) to gauge if Y>2 then the total component orders would be X+Z driving the consumer cost for both Neo900 and Neo950 down.
Sep 28 16:55:48 <DocScrutinizer05> of course we can't guarantee any special properties like standby time etc, which would need several such protoboards to get built and debugged and fixed/improved
Sep 28 16:56:44 <qwazix> does standby time depend so much on board layout?
Sep 28 16:56:44 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: that fails on N950 case availability, as well as N950 using another SOC
Sep 28 16:57:05 <qwazix> E7 is pretty similar to N950
Sep 28 16:57:40 <DocScrutinizer05> N950 hw design is quite different to N900/GTA04 design
Sep 28 16:58:11 <qwazix> :nod: still it may attract the odd buyer
Sep 28 16:58:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, but it doesn't help us
Sep 28 16:59:18 <qwazix> if it doesn't then the point is moot, I was thinking that it might do because of the same components, even if board layout is different
Sep 28 16:59:24 <DocScrutinizer05> all the contrary it would require us to source yet another SoC and other components, which all are different to those used in GTA04-NeoN
Sep 28 17:00:15 <qwazix> why another SoC?
Sep 28 17:00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, scratch the SoC
Sep 28 17:00:30 <jonwil> in order to be able to run N950 software
Sep 28 17:00:40 <jonwil> oh wait no
Sep 28 17:00:46 <jonwil> my mistake, thinking of something else
Sep 28 17:00:50 <qwazix> jonwil, that's up to a similar HPTF to do
Sep 28 17:01:14 <jonwil> in any case n950 case is unavailable on market so thats the real issue for neo950
Sep 28 17:01:20 <DocScrutinizer05> but it starts with the custom storage PoP chip with its 1GB of RAM that's not even "existing" according to aunt google
Sep 28 17:01:27 <qwazix> or even there would probably be buyers (even more) longing for a N950/E7 form factor with fremantle
Sep 28 17:02:03 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, rarest N950's which sell most expensive are the 512mb ones, so that doesn't seem to bother buyere
Sep 28 17:02:08 <qwazix> buyers
Sep 28 17:02:30 <DocScrutinizer05> the target market for that is tiny
Sep 28 17:03:18 <DocScrutinizer05> and probably limited to "original" N950, built by Nokia
Sep 28 17:03:33 <qwazix> It is. That's why I said, if the costs are around $2k-$4k and there are enough buyers pre-ordering then it might be a good idea.
Sep 28 17:03:55 <qwazix> if no-one goes for it then nothing lost
Sep 28 17:04:55 <qwazix> (My hunch is that there would be at least 4 people on the planet willing to shell >1k for a fremantle-running capacitive GTA04 in the E7 case)
Sep 28 17:08:12 <jonwil> ~seen pali
Sep 28 17:08:16 <infobot> pali is currently on #maemo (1d 1h 44m 41s) #maemo-ssu (1d 1h 44m 41s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 8h 27m 42s, last said: 'need to wait until they repair it'.
Sep 28 17:08:30 <jonwil> pali: ping
Sep 28 18:04:45 <Pali> ah, jonwil is offline
Sep 28 19:45:16 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Sep 28 21:08:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: yes, but he hoped to see you in that channel I created on your request
Sep 28 21:10:51 <Pali> I do not have here on n900 data and irc client from desktop version...
Sep 28 21:37:16 <Macer> how odd
Sep 28 21:37:40 <Macer> i don't know what it is that windows uses to figure out if something should connect via a direct connection or as an adhoc connection
Sep 28 21:37:52 <Macer> i have to keep re-adding the n900 to get pan to work properly
Sep 28 21:42:18 <ShadowJK> heh.
Sep 28 21:42:44 <Macer> at least it works
Sep 28 21:42:54 <Macer> half assly but still works nonetheless
Sep 28 21:43:07 <ShadowJK> I was creating bt dun between rPi and N900, and walked out of range. Hasnt worked since
Sep 28 21:43:15 <Macer> lol
Sep 28 21:43:18 <ShadowJK> I guess both needs powercycle now
Sep 28 21:43:22 <Macer> i wish rt supported dun
Sep 28 21:43:24 <Macer> so much easier
Sep 28 21:43:30 <Macer> :-/
Sep 28 21:43:34 <ShadowJK> surface rt?
Sep 28 21:43:34 <Macer> at least from the n900 side
Sep 28 21:43:39 <Macer> yeah
Sep 28 21:43:50 <Macer> android, ipad, and surface rt use pan 
Sep 28 21:43:56 <Macer> none directly support dun
Sep 28 21:44:14 <ShadowJK> Android does, but only stock stock stock fw?
Sep 28 21:44:39 <Macer> nope. it doesn't
Sep 28 21:44:41 <Macer> heh
Sep 28 21:44:44 <ShadowJK> hm
Sep 28 21:44:48 <Macer> not unless they added it later
Sep 28 21:44:53 <ShadowJK> ive seen it on cheap china tablets
Sep 28 21:44:54 <Macer> but my 4.2.2 only supports pan
Sep 28 21:44:59 <Macer> not dun
Sep 28 21:45:04 <ShadowJK> so I assumed they didnt bother to kill it
Sep 28 21:45:09 <Macer> they did
Sep 28 21:45:13 <Macer> it worked in 3.x
Sep 28 21:45:16 <Macer> removed in 4.x
Sep 28 21:45:20 <Macer> heh
Sep 28 21:45:20 <ShadowJK> suck
Sep 28 21:45:24 <Macer> figure that one out
Sep 28 21:45:26 <Macer> pan only
Sep 28 21:45:47 <ShadowJK> My firefox phone doesn't do any interwebs over bt
Sep 28 21:45:52 <Macer> wouldnt be that big of a deal if the n900 wasn't such a bitch to configure pan on
Sep 28 21:45:55 <ShadowJK> but it does wifi
Sep 28 21:45:57 <Macer> i wish mobilehotspot had pan heh
Sep 28 21:46:08 <Macer> surface rt doesn't do adhoc either
Sep 28 21:46:12 <Macer> windows rt should i say
Sep 28 21:46:21 <ShadowJK> Well, anything linuy is a bitch to configure anything bluetooth on
Sep 28 21:46:24 <Macer> but again... nor does android heh
Sep 28 21:46:38 <ShadowJK> because it's essentially undocumented, and it changes every year
Sep 28 21:46:46 <ShadowJK> yah
Sep 28 21:46:47 <Macer> yah
Sep 28 21:46:55 <Macer> i found that out with pan :-P
Sep 28 21:47:11 <Macer> i came across an ancient maemo wiki
Sep 28 21:47:15 <Macer> that sort of explained it
Sep 28 21:47:28 <Macer> after that i just got lucky
Sep 28 21:47:55 <ShadowJK> it's probably from N8x0 days, I remember there was lots of PAN headache when some blackberry came that only did PAN
Sep 28 21:48:22 <Macer> yeah but you would think that someone would have integrated it into maemo
Sep 28 21:48:36 <Macer> or made an app that runs scripts or auto loads the pan network on bnep0 detection heh
Sep 28 21:48:45 <ShadowJK> it went the other way
Sep 28 21:48:56 <ShadowJK> dun client support was ttotally killed
Sep 28 21:49:16 <Macer> yeah haha
Sep 28 21:49:30 <Macer> well. all the mobile oses use pan
Sep 28 21:49:37 <Macer> none seem to use adhoc or dun
Sep 28 21:49:43 <Macer> which is odd since dun is so easy heh
Sep 28 21:50:07 <Macer> i just wish i could figure out what is causing windows rt to change from "direct connection" to "adhoc connection"
Sep 28 21:50:10 <Macer> or if it matters
Sep 28 21:50:22 <Macer> i haven't done much testing other than to know it works
Sep 28 21:50:32 <Macer> but it still requires that i run a script manually on the n900 after the connection
Sep 28 21:50:41 <Macer> then flush the tables afterwards
Sep 28 21:51:03 <ShadowJK> DUN is "hard" for the server
Sep 28 21:51:24 <ShadowJK> Also, you, of all people, RT? :)
Sep 28 21:52:19 <Macer> of all people? windows is fine heh
Sep 28 21:52:41 <Macer> other than this niche pan issue it has been spectacular
Sep 28 21:52:53 <Macer> anybody who says otherwise hasn't used a surface
Sep 28 21:52:56 <Macer> plus they priced it right
Sep 28 21:53:07 <Macer> $500+ was too expensive for an rt
Sep 28 21:53:45 <ShadowJK> agreed on the price
Sep 28 21:53:53 <ShadowJK> I've used a pro
Sep 28 21:54:07 <Macer> i didn't want the pro because it is retarded with its sleep mode
Sep 28 21:54:14 <Macer> it's like putting a pc to sleep
Sep 28 21:54:18 <Macer> no notifications
Sep 28 21:54:31 <Macer> no always on like the arm
Sep 28 21:54:39 <Macer> and the battery on the arm is a beasw
Sep 28 21:54:40 <Macer> beast
Sep 28 21:55:01 <Macer> surface has a micro sd slot too heh
Sep 28 21:55:06 <Macer> sdxc at that
Sep 28 21:55:23 <Macer> so it would be a miracle if they sold anything other than the 32GB model lol
Sep 28 21:55:39 <ShadowJK> and I have a win8 on a laptop
Sep 28 21:55:52 <Macer> win8 sucks on legacy stuff
Sep 28 21:55:58 <ShadowJK> On tablet, I get pissed off when it switches to classic
Sep 28 21:56:02 <Macer> the interface is awful for a mouse/kb
Sep 28 21:56:07 <Macer> yeah lol
Sep 28 21:56:11 <Macer> i hate that too
Sep 28 21:56:11 <ShadowJK> on laptop, I get pissed off when it switches to metro
Sep 28 21:56:17 <ShadowJK> heh...
Sep 28 21:56:17 <Macer> yup lol
Sep 28 21:56:21 <Macer> same here
Sep 28 21:56:28 <Macer> might as well dual boot a pc
Sep 28 21:56:44 <Macer> they should have made a way for legacy apps to run in a metro "window"
Sep 28 21:57:06 <Macer> on the laptop i installed it on
Sep 28 21:57:18 <Macer> i just installed some app that brings a "start" menu back and disables metro
Sep 28 21:57:36 <Macer> then realized.. i should have just stuck with win7 on the laptop
Sep 28 21:57:42 <ShadowJK> Yes I use classic shell on laptop
Sep 28 21:58:02 <Macer> you have to jailbreak winrt
Sep 28 21:58:08 <Macer> to install 3rd party arm apps
Sep 28 21:58:10 <Macer> like putty
Sep 28 21:58:35 <Macer> but i don't do much on the desktop side. i just shelled out the money for an ssh app
Sep 28 21:58:49 <Macer> most of the stock metro stuff does whatever i need
Sep 28 21:59:39 <ShadowJK> Win8 is a nightmare for the non-techie user
Sep 28 21:59:54 <Macer> yeh lol
Sep 28 22:00:01 <Macer> the segregation of metro/classic is lame
Sep 28 22:00:10 <Macer> that is where people get confused
Sep 28 22:00:28 <Macer> they'd have been better off making "Windows Tablet" and "Windows Desktop"
Sep 28 22:00:35 <Macer> and keeping desktop for the legacy gear
Sep 28 22:00:44 <Macer> and tablet with metro based stuff on tablets
Sep 28 22:00:45 <ShadowJK> the accounts.live.com stuff is the biggest confusor for normal users
Sep 28 22:01:02 <Macer> well. i think they want people to use outlook.com
Sep 28 22:01:11 <Macer> which is actually... absolutely awesome
Sep 28 22:01:21 <Macer> compared to... say.... google
Sep 28 22:01:27 <Macer> and MS seems big on FB integration
Sep 28 22:01:45 <Macer> google is following a path of destruction
Sep 28 22:01:50 <Macer> they're closing themselves up
Sep 28 22:01:55 <Macer> bait and switch
Sep 28 22:02:00 <ShadowJK> No I mean
Sep 28 22:02:31 <ShadowJK> User starts computer. It asks for email and pass
Sep 28 22:02:43 <Macer> oh. yeah heh
Sep 28 22:03:00 <Macer> they don't have to enter a live user/pw tho i thought
Sep 28 22:03:24 <Macer> i just happened to have one heh. i think it's illegal for ms to do that because of some anti-trust settlement from the 90s
Sep 28 22:03:30 <ShadowJK> They don't, but it's nonobvious that it's voluntary
Sep 28 22:03:56 <Macer> yeah well... google does it :) but i guess they have a giant "skip" button heh
Sep 28 22:03:58 <Macer> maybe
Sep 28 22:04:01 <Macer> it has been a while
Sep 28 22:04:13 <Macer> i'm just glad i can keep my n900
Sep 28 22:04:27 <Macer> for pan.. i was about to get some cheap nokia 520 
Sep 28 22:04:49 <Macer> no 1020 for tmobile users unless you find an unlocked att model that supports their bands :(
Sep 28 22:04:54 <Macer> i'd have loved to get a 1020
Sep 28 22:05:46 <ShadowJK> I earned 50 bucks the other day, new win8 user called and said he can't "open" his computer
Sep 28 22:06:16 <ShadowJK> Turned out, he entered his email account when it asked for LiveID
Sep 28 22:06:29 <ShadowJK> and after rebooting, it was refusing logon
Sep 28 22:06:51 <ShadowJK> because his user@gmail@live.com account password wasnt same as user@gmail pass
Sep 28 22:07:19 <nox-> so you need to be online now to login to a local windows?
Sep 28 22:07:30 <ShadowJK> Amusing thing is, he entered pass wrong so many times, even if he had the right pass, it refused
Sep 28 22:07:34 <ShadowJK> nox-; ya
Sep 28 22:07:39 <nox-> ugh
Sep 28 22:08:04 <ShadowJK> And it locked not only his PC, but every other win8 pc he has.
Sep 28 22:08:11 <nox-> ew
Sep 28 22:08:43 <ShadowJK> Helpfully, the login screen adviced to visit accounts.live.com
Sep 28 22:08:54 <ShadowJK> which yo onviously cant do if pc is locked
Sep 28 22:08:58 <nox-> haha
Sep 28 22:09:16 <ShadowJK> (and all your other win8 PCs are also locked)
Sep 28 22:09:22 <nox-> reasons i dont like windows++
Sep 28 22:09:54 <ShadowJK> Yeah so I show up, put accounts.live.com into my N900 and reset his password
Sep 28 22:10:01 <ShadowJK> earn 50 bucks, leave
Sep 28 22:10:26 <nox-> yeah good for support ppl to earn money i suppose :)
Sep 28 22:15:56 <kerio> hold on, how do you login if you're offline?
Sep 28 22:16:50 <nox-> i guess then the nsa cannot watch you so you dont :P
Sep 28 23:20:01 <jonwil> Pali: ping
Sep 28 23:23:15 <jonwil> ~seen Pali
Sep 28 23:23:20 <infobot> pali is currently on #maemo (2h 31m 2s) #maemo-ssu (2h 31m 2s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 12m 29s, last said: 'I do not have here on n900 data and irc client from desktop version...'.
Sep 28 23:28:22 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-09-29 01:28:15] [Whois] Pali is logged in as Pali.
Sep 28 23:29:36 <DocScrutinizer05> NS dead?
Sep 28 23:29:49 <DocScrutinizer05> oohdamn, only lagging
Sep 28 23:30:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: it seems you have all the "data" you need
Sep 29 00:04:47 <Macer> ShadowJK: funny thing about that
Sep 29 00:04:56 <Macer> google closed their syncing with win8
Sep 29 00:04:57 <Macer> :)
Sep 29 00:05:18 <Macer> they turned their gmail connector off for exchange. so a win8 user can no long sync his google stuff to win8
Sep 29 00:05:21 <Macer> like people etc
Sep 29 00:05:29 <Macer> what a bunch of douchebags
Sep 29 00:06:33 <Macer> a surefire way that you can tell google is nevous about ms growth in the mobile area 
Sep 29 00:06:46 <Macer> without android google is another yahoo
Sep 29 00:12:34 <jonwil> Android is a far better phone platform than Windows Phone will ever be
Sep 29 00:30:24 <jonwil> even (gasp) iOS is a better platform than Windows Phone
Sep 29 00:41:19 <jonwil> of course Maemo beats all of em :)
Sep 29 00:53:30 <ShadowJK> Amusingly, if you take the biggest criticisms Maemo ever got
Sep 29 00:53:51 <ShadowJK> And make those points work absolutely perfectly
Sep 29 00:53:59 <ShadowJK> and ignore everything else
Sep 29 00:54:14 <ShadowJK> you more or less end up with winpho
Sep 29 00:54:38 <ShadowJK> (of course, everything *good* about maemo is also gone)
Sep 29 01:21:10 <wmarone> biggest criticisms?
Sep 29 01:31:19 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
Sep 29 01:34:07 <ShadowJK> smoothness, vsync, phone functionality
Sep 29 01:34:44 <DocScrutinizer05> what's wrong with phone?
Sep 29 01:35:21 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe except that US t-mpbile 3G band issue
Sep 29 01:35:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I still think it's one of the best sounding phones I ever had
Sep 29 01:36:47 <ShadowJK> People were upset about features
Sep 29 01:37:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, it has "issues" with decoding/recognizing inbound numbers, when they are too weird
Sep 29 01:37:05 <ShadowJK> Like no contact groups thingy
Sep 29 01:37:14 <DocScrutinizer05> right
Sep 29 01:37:31 <DocScrutinizer05> that's contacts though, not exactly phone
Sep 29 01:38:00 <ShadowJK> The lumias I've seen are splendid at those things
Sep 29 01:38:50 <ShadowJK> And the users are generally like "yeah, the os and phone itself is awesome, I guess.. But I can't actually *do* anything with it"
Sep 29 01:38:53 <DocScrutinizer05> what *really* sucks is no qualified fulltext search in any of the Nokia apps
Sep 29 01:39:05 <ShadowJK> (and then they generally throw it against a wall)
Sep 29 01:39:17 <DocScrutinizer05> everything incl groups could get implemented by that
Sep 29 01:39:56 <ShadowJK> Oh I recently got pissed off that typing stuff in "app menu" searches contacts instead of apps
Sep 29 01:40:00 <DocScrutinizer05> another sucker is the missing customization of contact screens
Sep 29 01:40:32 <DocScrutinizer05> like: I need to manually add "address" field every single time I create a new contact
Sep 29 01:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, another idiocy, but luckily applauncher is FOSS, no?
Sep 29 01:41:31 <ShadowJK> (in firefoxos, searches search everything, and the results with highest comission are topmost, like amazon)
Sep 29 01:41:46 <ShadowJK> ;-)
Sep 29 01:42:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I recall palmpilot and sigh
Sep 29 01:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I think the contacts app should be easy to rewrite as FOSS
Sep 29 01:44:41 <DocScrutinizer05> with full integration
Sep 29 01:45:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, the db format is known, and all the d-bus calls for invoking calls or sipcalls or even address in map or any chats or SMS are all known, no?
Sep 29 01:46:47 <DocScrutinizer05> should be a nice beginner's project to rewrite it, now that we know how stuff works
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