**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 15 02:59:58 2013 Oct 15 07:09:07 morning Oct 15 07:10:13 morning Oct 15 07:10:15 https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/10/13/61 Oct 15 07:10:31 * freemangordon likes Pavel's style :) Oct 15 07:26:12 I wonder has anyone tried those microUSB Y cables, there was I guess one mentioning of it when RTLSDR stuff was being discussed but there was no "continuation" with the same subject. Oct 15 07:43:01 LOL Oct 15 07:43:25 psycho_oreos: eh? Oct 15 07:44:22 DocScrutinizer05, talking about this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370763&postcount=3 There's no fruit with that being mentioned. Oct 15 07:44:39 freemangordon: pali seems to adopt my style pretty well Oct 15 07:45:29 psycho_oreos: sorry? fruit? Oct 15 07:45:49 ~hostmode-powered Oct 15 07:45:49 hostmode-powered is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 Oct 15 07:47:09 DocScrutinizer05, my bad. I meant there's no results with those one mentioning about it.. such question like if it works or not still lies fairly unknown. Oct 15 07:47:14 * psycho_oreos checks the link. Oct 15 07:48:53 I can hardly see a way how it could fail Oct 15 07:49:50 though the setup is a tad unfortunate, aiui it's a micro-A male plug that's not fitting into N900 without filing the plug down Oct 15 07:50:48 it also looks like a micro-A to me Oct 15 07:50:58 I was more so referring to the commercially made variant. Some people have reported the said commercially made cables to work with their embedded devices (namely android phones but then there was one reporting of where with raspberry pi it fails). Oct 15 07:51:25 You mean the little legs or teeth that micro-A has? Oct 15 07:51:49 you'd be better of with a micro-B male plug, but the micro-B they mention is only for the receptacle at the charger leg Oct 15 07:52:34 please check wikipedia for USB plugs Oct 15 07:53:00 N900 has a micro-B receptacle, micro-A plug won't fit Oct 15 07:53:01 The only problem is with these dime-a-dozen ebay sellers, they don't make any specific mentioning if its micro-A or micro-B. I know for sure micro-B would definitely work afterall that's what N900 is using natively. Oct 15 07:53:15 Hmm :/ ok thanks. Oct 15 07:53:44 you can however file down the micro-A profile to fit into micro-B Oct 15 07:54:52 Ahh yes I can clearly see what you mean there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_and_Micro_connectors The micro-A are more rectangular than micro-B. Oct 15 07:56:30 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261265741063?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 <-- I'd say that would most likely fit (albeit the pricing). Oct 15 07:58:10 Also reading those description blurbs, it's clearly evident that they make a mentioning if it's type A or type B. Hmm.. Oct 15 07:58:30 yes Oct 15 07:58:52 this one looks better Oct 15 08:04:15 Better than the one mentioned by xes? Oct 15 08:06:02 yes, much better Oct 15 08:06:35 I guess in either way, the differences between micro-A and micro-B are clearly evident. It's not likely that one will be fooled for micro-A connector when the seller is declaring it's micro-B or micro-B compatible. Oct 15 08:07:06 I guess a lot of sellers have no clue Oct 15 08:07:30 the one referenced by xes clearly has none Oct 15 08:09:07 your link the seller mentions the fact that other sellers have no clue Oct 15 08:09:48 A wonderful spendid Bureaucracy the 69th in the YOLD 3179! Oct 15 08:10:21 micro-B plugs fit into micro-AB (aka OTG) receptacles. Micro-A plugs however don't fit into micro-B receptacles and probably often have a tight fit in micro-AB Oct 15 08:10:38 Albeit much cheaper imo :) apart from very long delivery time (the one xes mentioned). Upon closely looking at the xes referred one, I guess they do sort of say its micro-B and the photos upon closer inspection seems more like micro-B than micro-A. Oct 15 08:10:47 * DocScrutinizer05 fires a ddate Oct 15 08:11:13 Yeah definitely micro-A won't fit into micro-B of the differences in shape. Oct 15 08:11:35 read again, the seller only states gibvberish Oct 15 08:12:06 and no, it doesn't exactly look like a micro-B plug Oct 15 08:12:18 though there are no good photos to show Oct 15 08:13:18 hmm, might be a micro-B as well Oct 15 08:13:26 The last two statements by the seller xes mentioned is definitely gibberish. Oct 15 08:13:30 hard to tell Oct 15 08:19:01 Definitely without better pictures it's hard to identify. Oct 15 08:19:31 it's how much? 2 bucks? try it! Oct 15 08:20:23 It'll be a long wait, one buyer mentioned that it takes four weeks for delivery. Oct 15 08:20:38 ouch Oct 15 08:21:28 maybe visit a *good* phoneshop next to you? Oct 15 08:21:42 Besides, the link I mentioned here looks much nicer imo. Despite the photo the seller for that link showing off having the Y cable plugged into his phone and memory stick is not the same as the one he is selling. Oct 15 08:21:56 OTG cables, even Y cables, shouldn't be that exotic anymore Oct 15 08:23:04 There's none as far as I'm aware. :/ I used to source microUSB adapters from overseas whilst travelling. Besides I guess there's no way for me to test until I get the ports fixed anyhow, *shrugs* will go shop around tomorrow in my time I suppose. Oct 15 08:23:12 indeed a different pair of plugs Oct 15 08:24:30 Also there's that stupid tax for electronics lol (which actually still applies here). Oct 15 08:25:24 * DocScrutinizer05 needs to hurry, to get sth to eat before losing control Oct 15 08:25:29 o/ Oct 15 08:25:39 O.o cya! and thanks for input! Oct 15 09:51:32 Sorry, I am in hurry but there seems to be package is missing on the server: Oct 15 09:52:05 See my reply on: http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?t=88444 Oct 15 10:23:15 If you piped that file into google you would see another mirror. Oct 15 10:25:20 I know, but it's more about reporting this as it is a leftover of the migration Oct 15 10:25:37 already got the deb file from one of the mirrors ;) Oct 15 10:26:33 where?? Oct 15 10:26:45 since when we're using raw IP addr? Oct 15 10:27:39 Since that's what google returned me, after searching that particular thread Oct 15 10:27:53 Ignore that, it's my fault Oct 15 10:30:44 anyway, you say this package is missing in extras-devel? Oct 15 10:31:19 Yep Oct 15 10:31:24 strange Oct 15 10:31:51 But g2g Oct 15 10:33:27 hi all Oct 15 10:33:44 I want to setup proxy in wifi , is there possible to setup it from terminal? Oct 15 10:33:54 hmm? Oct 15 10:34:04 ooh Oct 15 10:34:37 it has + and - to find the right port Oct 15 10:34:45 I can't type it Oct 15 10:34:54 what? Oct 15 10:35:36 I go to wifi ap and advance Oct 15 10:35:53 I can type proxy address, but port number need + or - key Oct 15 10:36:05 I can't just type it ? Oct 15 10:36:28 no, judst click into the numeric field and type the port number Oct 15 10:37:03 it doesn't _need_ (+) or (-) Oct 15 10:37:48 actually the (+) and (-) are touchscreen buttons Oct 15 10:38:00 and they work for me Oct 15 10:38:23 strange it dosnt let me type port number even if I open keyboard Oct 15 10:39:13 it's in numeric mode Oct 15 10:39:24 ok Oct 15 10:39:25 no bluekey Oct 15 10:39:28 yes , it work now Oct 15 10:39:29 thankyou Oct 15 10:39:32 yw Oct 15 10:43:09 when I setup proxy , I will be able to connect via gtalk and other IM? Oct 15 10:50:53 dang, mrpingu is right, it seems wirouterkeyrec is missing in extras-devel Oct 15 10:51:11 merlin1991: ^^^ Oct 15 10:51:35 merlin1991: could you check and possibly fix this? Oct 15 10:53:47 http://maemo.org/packages/view/wirouterkeyrec/ http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/wirouterkeyrec/1.1.2-0maemo1/ Oct 15 13:32:01 Hi Oct 15 13:42:37 Ah, good, some movement from Nokia on maemo.org handover. Oct 15 13:43:03 what news is this? Oct 15 13:43:26 i.e. does this benefit the community or is it just administrative stuff? Oct 15 13:44:29 Hopefully concluding contact negotiations with Nokia. Oct 15 13:44:40 Mostly administrative/legal. Oct 15 13:45:01 ok Oct 15 13:49:02 Means Nokia won't be able to yank the rug out from under us at least. Oct 15 15:19:02 so exactly which domains are going to the community? *.maemo.org? Some subset of that? Other domains? Oct 15 15:24:04 so i've been on freenode for over 4 years.... wow Oct 15 15:24:08 time flies Oct 15 15:27:53 Time flies like an Arrow, Fruit Flies like a Banana. Oct 15 16:10:49 GeneralAntilles: council to board: please consider tabletsdev.nokia.com, and the nokia repos Oct 15 16:12:30 please also consider tablets-dev.nokia.com Oct 15 16:12:45 DocScrutinizer05: :P Oct 15 16:13:19 banana? I always found they like rotten fruit in general, except banana which don't rot mostly Oct 15 16:14:21 kerio: next council term the will be no hiding and no escape for you!!! Oct 15 16:14:30 D: Oct 15 16:14:32 what have i done now? Oct 15 16:14:33 s/the/there/ Oct 15 16:14:34 DocScrutinizer05 meant: kerio: next council term there will be no hiding and no escape for you!!! Oct 15 16:14:59 nothing yet ;-) Oct 15 16:23:44 i ordered a lumia 521 Oct 15 16:23:49 and what's funny is... Oct 15 16:23:53 the n900 is more expensive haha Oct 15 16:24:52 i think i'm tired of playing with devices. time to get something that simply works. Oct 15 16:28:45 DocScrutinizer05, it may be down to just getting something signed that ensures we don't lose everything before the Microsoft stuff steals all of the attention. Oct 15 16:43:31 Macer: you're simply refreshing... always :-S Oct 15 16:43:51 Macer: we for sure need that kind of prodding Oct 15 16:44:26 Macer: honestly, take it to #android, I'm sure they are way more pleased to hear the very same words Oct 15 16:45:11 huh? Oct 15 16:45:21 i wasn't being insulting. Oct 15 16:45:36 i'll still keep my n900 :) Oct 15 16:45:41 I rhink ~98% of what I've seen you posting durng the last 12 months been "eeew, N900 is so terribly XXXXX" Oct 15 16:45:42 i need to get a sim adapter for it tho. Oct 15 16:45:53 then you have very selective memory Oct 15 16:46:13 but it is always easier to remember the things we hate than those we like ;) Oct 15 16:47:19 N900 is awesome. simply obsolete. has a bit more time i'm sure in the hobbyist area. Oct 15 16:47:38 sad thing about the N900 is you don't want it to be obsolete heh Oct 15 16:47:47 DocScrutinizer05: my n900 has a broken wifi :c Oct 15 16:47:52 gift me a new one! Oct 15 16:48:02 point me to the last statement of yours that's eligible to give me the "now I know why I waste my time for this guy" moment Oct 15 16:48:47 * Macer points at "...is you don't want it to be obsolete." Oct 15 16:49:04 while i said "you" it is implied that the "you" is 3rd person "I" Oct 15 16:49:18 kerio: i have an e7.. want that? :) Oct 15 16:49:50 i'd give anything for nokia drive on the n900 heh Oct 15 16:51:35 I bet in 15 min you have 5 guys explaining to you why nokia drive is shite and what you should use instead Oct 15 16:52:05 on a sidenote I updated marbel and narblemaps today Oct 15 16:52:16 dang, marble* Oct 15 16:52:17 why would they do that? n900 doesn't really have anything that is as good as. maybe some of the n900 apps have some unique features Oct 15 16:52:54 but most just want "say your destination" and directions pop up heh. nokia drive is awesome. Oct 15 16:53:08 kerio: new life for your N900: http://pocketpccentral.net/news/2006/october/1017_spectec_wifi.htm Oct 15 16:53:16 maybe because their mileage may vary, and it's not your definition that rules the world on what's great and what's not Oct 15 16:54:10 DocScrutinizer05: i'd say in this # i would be the majority of users on the planet. give someone nokia drive and give them marble and see which one works out better heh Oct 15 16:54:34 xes: wow that thing is neat Oct 15 16:54:35 I wouldn't want any crappy app that exports all my audio to a distant rogue server, to do speech detection there Oct 15 16:54:58 you can type it in too and store local maps Oct 15 16:55:05 aha Oct 15 16:55:09 for the tin foil hat people ;) Oct 15 16:55:23 Macer: honestly, you better take all that to #android Oct 15 16:55:23 if they want to find you they'll find you DocScrutinizer05 heh Oct 15 16:55:46 i don't have an android device tho Oct 15 16:56:04 actually deleted my entire google acct last week Oct 15 16:56:08 and we have no nerves to read your eloquent explanations why N900 sucks Oct 15 16:56:25 saying that it is lacking in 1 app doesn't mean it sucks Oct 15 16:56:33 telepathy is probably the best im/mms app there is Oct 15 16:56:39 well.. conversations Oct 15 16:56:39 just that in 2h it's the next app Oct 15 16:57:05 xes: that's sweet Oct 15 16:57:06 microb is awesome too albeit lacking power from the n900's hardware side Oct 15 16:57:08 is it supported by linux? Oct 15 16:57:36 I'd estimate the " I'm done with this shit device now" posts and rants at an average of 3/week Oct 15 16:57:37 kerio... :) yep... but it seems discontinued Oct 15 16:57:43 of course it is Oct 15 16:57:46 it's a horrendous idea Oct 15 16:57:54 but it means that you could get dual radios on n900 Oct 15 16:58:04 would libicd-network-wifi work with it? Oct 15 16:58:06 haha Oct 15 16:58:22 kerio: tha is from 2006 Oct 15 16:58:26 too bad.. looks kind of awesome Oct 15 16:58:54 it feels a bit longer than the usual µsd Oct 15 16:59:00 maybe it won't fit Oct 15 16:59:01 does it have storage too? Oct 15 16:59:31 it says it "protrudes" Oct 15 16:59:59 DocScrutinizer05: gimme a uSD with wifi and 1gb of ram-based storage! Oct 15 17:00:22 DocScrutinizer05: naw. i've slowed down. mostly because i've been using the n900 for real world things instead of pretending it is a pocket computer Oct 15 17:00:31 especially when i realized it can sync to outlook.com heh Oct 15 17:00:32 like, 11n wifi Oct 15 17:01:03 lol Oct 15 17:03:27 like email, nav, banking, talking, txting, etc. not trying to find out if i can build znc on it and set it up to act as a shell box while on the go with my laptop hopping across diner free wifi hehe Oct 15 17:04:20 outlook? wtf is outlook? Oct 15 17:05:12 outlook.com .. you have to say the whole thing. like a tribe called quest Oct 15 17:06:53 rephrase: it can connect to outlook.com's exchange connector using mail for exchange and sync cal, mail, contacts Oct 15 17:07:09 ...mmm...could we apply here an auto kick filter to ban everyone that starts talking about 0utl00k? Oct 15 17:07:36 xes: in relationship to connecting an n900 to it? some people might want to know how to do that heh Oct 15 17:08:21 geez. when did this room get so serious. i miss lcuk. Oct 15 17:10:51 Macer: you are right. So far you are the second one talking about 0utl00k.com: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=outlook.com Oct 15 17:11:57 outlook.com is good. at least imo. nice interface Oct 15 17:12:28 xes: how long did it take you to load that link? Oct 15 17:13:10 90s Oct 15 17:14:06 ..more than a minute Oct 15 17:14:43 sometimes it even times out Oct 15 17:15:21 funny enough that Macer complains about room got serious when xes posts sth I conceife as a pun Oct 15 17:15:29 conceive even Oct 15 17:16:13 anyone know how projects.maemo.org fits into all this community stuff (or for that matter, what it actually is :) Oct 15 17:16:26 kerio: http://www.netcom-3c.com/en/products/detail.asp?id=170 this company is still producing this adapter and also a microsd with NFC. !! Oct 15 17:16:29 just seemed like it took a long time. Lithuania internet heh Oct 15 17:16:35 some obsolete stuff afaik Oct 15 17:17:18 nix lithuana internet. server doing a fulltext grep on a several gb set of textfiles Oct 15 17:18:20 xes: is the nand just to boot the wifi fw? Oct 15 17:18:23 I suggested several times to mgedmin to add a time range filter option to the search function Oct 15 17:19:00 or does it double as actual storage? Oct 15 17:19:21 Macer: sorry? Oct 15 17:19:36 that wifi sd Oct 15 17:19:58 in the diagram it has "nand flash" Oct 15 17:20:15 does the microsd act as wifi + storage? Oct 15 17:21:16 Macer: never tried this. I still have an old spectec wifi sd sleeping in the dust somewhere.. Btw i don't think in a microsd there is enough space for both Oct 15 17:23:31 I actually wonder how there's enough space for WiFi Oct 15 17:24:23 maybe not on microsd? Oct 15 17:24:32 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at that µSD that has a literal sticker on the contact side to cover the chip Oct 15 17:25:17 I peeled it off a tiny bit and traces appeared Oct 15 17:25:42 dude, that's one crappy uSD Oct 15 17:47:50 ~maemo-dev Oct 15 17:47:50 it has been said that maemo-dev is http://maemo.org/development Oct 15 19:34:42 hm Oct 15 19:35:50 DocScrutinizer05; some uSD cards have visible traces as "standard" Oct 15 19:36:37 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20131015_006.jpg Oct 15 19:36:53 ^.^ Oct 15 19:37:11 one more, mompls Oct 15 19:38:08 oh that's cooler Oct 15 19:39:24 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20131015_008.jpg Oct 15 19:39:50 Fine, fine. Oct 15 19:46:03 I thought this was what you meant by traces: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/microsd.jpg Oct 15 19:48:52 The traces going to and from the terminals Oct 15 22:30:05 hello Oct 15 22:31:15 I would know how to fix cutetube which has a wonderful player but no audio Oct 15 22:33:13 any tip? Oct 15 22:41:36 Silent profile active? Oct 15 22:41:54 maybe yew Oct 15 22:42:06 is it that? Oct 15 22:43:22 Some apps are silenced when you set phone to silent Oct 15 22:43:41 There's magic API that apps can use to avoid it, but not all know how to use it Oct 15 22:45:20 gn o/ Oct 15 23:05:43 Trying to build a control panel plugin. When I call it in the sdk, why does the 'Save' button sometimes vanish between starts? Oct 15 23:06:25 I didn't recompile or restart the control panel Oct 15 23:43:57 just found this really nice addressbook script: https://bitbucket.org/darkcloud/maemo-addressbook/src/f8f8ce4ef02ba46093b40c3f7abe24a64245bbc7/addressbook?at=master Oct 16 00:04:39 Does gconf interfere with itself (caching?) when two different apps do r/w access to the same conf keys? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 16 02:59:58 2013