**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 17 02:59:58 2013 Oct 17 07:22:24 Morn (UGT). Oct 17 07:24:42 moo Oct 17 09:16:15 ~moo Oct 17 09:16:15 mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. Oct 17 10:11:19 Ollila about Nokia's ceo kairamo ( kairamo, ollila, opk, elop (iirc)): "He hated the banks' power and influence over industrial companies. He himself was quite powerless" ... "He wanted everything we did to atleast be fun" ... "Once, to the delight of his friends, he hung from the door of a helicopter while traveling to an Island that Nokia owned." Oct 17 12:18:17 lol Oct 17 12:19:13 mew? Oct 17 12:30:17 moo Oct 17 12:33:58 ACL on www - finally! \o/ Oct 17 13:38:33 Hi maemoers. Anyone else unable to login here? - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Oct 17 13:38:48 I get "Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 15-digit IMEI code." Oct 17 13:39:14 Meh, ffs, have to remove forward slahes Oct 17 13:41:14 I wonder if I should use the UK or global one Oct 17 13:41:37 narcos: Just get the firmware from one of the mirrors Oct 17 13:42:23 aha Oct 17 13:42:25 * narcos finds http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ Oct 17 13:43:19 It seems I need to perform these commands: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R , flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R , and then the first one again Oct 17 13:45:14 Does this script seem correct ? - http://pastebin.com/N5vYhzg5 Oct 17 13:46:39 mmm.... i think not... w8 Oct 17 13:48:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#N900 Oct 17 13:49:04 as far as I remember it was only a 2 stop process for full flash. Oct 17 13:49:36 so I guess the script will work , but will do something two times... (maybe there's some hidden idea behind it..not sure) Oct 17 13:49:46 Yes, no need to flash root twice Oct 17 13:50:06 And no need to remove the battery Oct 17 13:50:52 -R reboots Oct 17 13:51:02 btw i'm having a strange problem.... i cannot change my security code on the n900... it tells me 'security code not changed' after inputing (two times) the new one....any1 had issue like this? Oct 17 13:52:46 narcos: Removing the battery while rebooting is probabl not healthy for the device Oct 17 14:01:22 kolp: Thanks. I made the script after reading several different tutorials. Oct 17 14:01:38 ~flashing Oct 17 14:01:38 hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 17 14:01:53 the main and truly right resource ;) Oct 17 14:02:03 yeah read that one, and a couple of others. I wrote the script some time ago, so forget why the double flash now. Oct 17 14:02:56 regarding double flash, probably: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Oct 17 14:03:23 so yeah the wiki tells you todo that :) Oct 17 14:04:40 ahhh yes Oct 17 14:05:04 so, without -R :) Oct 17 14:05:36 with -R for reboot; the wiki page still advises removing the battery, iirc Oct 17 14:06:31 So the process works, and I flashed a few phones, but then I installed the PwnieExpress 'pwnphone' software, which fails with a big ugly optfs error Oct 17 14:06:36 Well, it all depends on the order of things Oct 17 14:08:14 non GUI app to change the security code ? Oct 17 14:09:36 pwnieexpress seems to be so badly done, we get all kinds of complaints about it in here Oct 17 14:10:37 merlin1991: Ahh, that sucks. And they don't seem to maintain it any longer. Oct 17 14:11:48 I don't see the point in using it anyways Oct 17 14:11:59 ^ +1 Oct 17 14:12:03 maemo + stuff from extras devel does everything Oct 17 14:12:20 and if you want fancy new you can always attempt to get stuff running under nemo Oct 17 14:13:26 Yeah, I agree. Can just add all the tools manually. Was nice just having it all pre-done. Oct 17 14:13:38 but now I have a non-booting device, so, bleh. Oct 17 14:14:18 You could easily run pwnie express in a maemo chroot. Much less mess and headaches. I don't know why people still insist on installing pwnie express to their own base setup. Oct 17 14:14:34 in other news, i had a runaway process two days ago, the battery is actually good and still showing full after a day of nearly idle on 2G. Oct 17 14:14:39 psycho_oreos: Hm, tell me more? Oct 17 14:14:47 so yea.. Oct 17 14:15:51 narcos, I once had a maemo environment within a chroot. I basically extracted the contents from the fiasco of the rootfs and dumped them all into a normal "fs container". Oct 17 14:16:48 Hmm @ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/770flasher/ - "You can?t open the application ?770Flasher? because PowerPC applications are no longer supported." Oct 17 14:16:56 It's not perfect, pwnie express setup within chroot. You don't get to have the fancy kernel and kernel modules because it's all enclosed and heavily relies on maemo base. Oct 17 14:17:08 psycho_oreos: Ahh ok Oct 17 14:23:44 * narcos finds maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg Oct 17 14:24:43 .dmg ? Oct 17 14:24:45 Seems that 's broken too Oct 17 14:25:11 "However, since OS X Lion this installer hasn't worked completely. To make it work you need to install the .pkg from the .dmg and then execute the following commands:...." Oct 17 14:25:17 l4m3rx: yeah, for OSX Oct 17 14:25:48 Oh... strange combination ..osx & n900 ... :) Oct 17 14:25:55 heh Oct 17 14:26:00 It would seem so. Oct 17 14:30:53 Rwwwarrrr. Let's try from a Linux VM then. This seems dangerous. Oct 17 14:31:19 not if you passthrou one of the USBs Oct 17 14:34:13 Pass through is pretty good with VMWare Oct 17 14:34:17 It is shitty with VirtualBox Oct 17 14:35:01 qemu/kvm FTW :) Oct 17 14:37:48 Seems to be working so far, with that hack of a script I wrote :) Oct 17 14:38:55 If I wanted to 'fix' the PwnPhone setup, what would I do? Oct 17 14:39:01 I mean the general direction Oct 17 14:41:16 rewrite it Oct 17 14:41:17 :) Oct 17 14:41:51 heh, yes Oct 17 14:42:03 jk ^. not even sure what the issues with pwnphone are :) I've never had the need to install it. Oct 17 14:42:11 I mean, shall I take a stock N900, install power kernel + all appropriate tools, and then somehow image it? Oct 17 14:43:25 It will probably be best just to make meta package containing all the stuff in it (probably 90% of the packages are already in the repo) Oct 17 14:44:12 and be sure move all stuff to /opt so it dosnt waste space on the root patition Oct 17 14:46:14 Hmm - meta package you say. Could you elaborate? So, a package that when I install, will infall a bunch of other packages? Oct 17 14:46:56 meta packages is..... well , package containing few other packages (a pretty stupid way to explain it but you'll understand what I mean) Oct 17 14:48:55 In reality the meta pacakge itself dosnt contain any packages...it just has deps on all packages you want him to "contain" Oct 17 14:48:57 just a package with dependencies that pulls in what you need, really. optionally with more glue Oct 17 14:49:29 y...sono explaind it better :) Oct 17 14:50:44 ok cool Oct 17 14:51:02 Well, my script worked. Oct 17 14:51:10 Without the final flash there were no icons, which is weird? Oct 17 14:51:16 But, 3rd flash worked. Oct 17 14:51:44 3rd time's the charm :P Oct 17 15:00:24 Hm, now the N900 is not seeing any wifi networks Oct 17 15:01:21 remove and then reload the wifi module. It may help. Oct 17 15:01:44 How do I do that? The drivers? Oct 17 15:06:07 MMm... if you have "advanced interface switcher" or what whas the package's name .... (a menu shit witch adds possability to turn on/off wifi, bt and gsm) you can use it Oct 17 15:06:24 this is the GUI way to do it ...the CLI is : rmmod (modname) Oct 17 15:06:25 ifconfig lists the wlan0 device, odd Oct 17 15:06:28 and then modprobe (modname) Oct 17 15:06:46 ifconfig should list it. Oct 17 15:07:04 iwconfig and ifconfig are used to config different things. So they both display the wifi adapters Oct 17 15:07:50 k will try modprobing Oct 17 15:10:12 Does an ssh server come running my default? I can't remember. I've configured the usb0 device, but can't seem to ping or ssh in Oct 17 15:11:09 narcos: nope Oct 17 15:11:10 nope Oct 17 15:11:18 wth Oct 17 15:11:20 i think its not even installed by default Oct 17 15:11:36 dang Oct 17 15:11:50 how does nick completion without tab work in xchat? Oct 17 15:12:10 shouldnt it just be (partial nick), Oct 17 15:12:18 and it should send the nick? Oct 17 15:12:28 narcos: ? Oct 17 15:12:35 oh. it worked there. weird Oct 17 15:13:31 * narcos raises an eyebrow @ MaceN900 Oct 17 15:13:47 sorry. testing it Oct 17 15:13:53 infobot: word Oct 17 15:13:53 word is probably in reference to Robert Bork, a nominee to the Supreme Court who, despite being very qualified was not appointed to the court due to partisan reasons. Oct 17 15:13:55 odd Oct 17 15:14:09 robert bork hahahah Oct 17 15:14:14 Hm, and there's no ssh server in the default repos? Oct 17 15:14:30 i thought openssh was there Oct 17 15:14:37 server and client Oct 17 15:14:44 bbl Oct 17 15:14:47 I seem to remember there was a magic URL that when surfed to would add a bunch of nice repos? Oct 17 15:15:03 MaceN900: 'apt-cache search ssh' suspiciously returns 0 rows Oct 17 15:15:23 openssh - Secure shell client and server Oct 17 15:15:29 er....? Oct 17 15:15:37 did you update to cssu? Oct 17 15:15:51 and is extras enabled? Oct 17 15:15:57 sorry.. have to go Oct 17 15:15:58 Just booted a fresh flashed device - haven't done anything yet :-. Oct 17 15:16:36 narcos: openssh seems to be in extras-devel Oct 17 15:16:44 ah Oct 17 15:17:04 narcos: dropbear, too Oct 17 15:21:56 kolp: I seem to remember a URL that when browsed to would add a bunch of useful repos. Do you know it? Oct 17 15:21:59 !repos Oct 17 15:23:38 narcos: Nope, sorry Oct 17 15:25:58 kk Oct 17 15:26:01 * narcos Googles harder Oct 17 15:28:14 ~repositories Oct 17 15:28:14 repositories are frequently old. Oct 17 15:28:17 =p Oct 17 15:28:25 ~maemo-devel Oct 17 15:28:32 * sono shrugs Oct 17 15:28:37 hometime Oct 17 15:30:00 :) Oct 17 15:32:34 * narcos will try again later. Gotta go too. Oct 17 16:42:24 freemangordon: Pali: Any news regarding my 2 patches to kernel-power? Oct 17 16:42:43 brolin_empey: Pali's laptop is back in function :) Oct 17 16:42:54 brolin_empey: will look at it Oct 17 16:43:08 now playing with cssu Oct 17 16:43:21 I cannot do everything at same time Oct 17 16:53:25 please paste output of this command run on n900: dpkg -L osso-memory-backend | grep include Oct 17 16:53:56 need to know what is on stock maemo, cssu stable, cssu testing and other versions too Oct 17 16:54:06 Nokia-N900:~# dpkg -L osso-memory-backend | grep include Oct 17 16:54:08 /usr/include Oct 17 16:54:10 /usr/include/gtkfilesystemmemory Oct 17 16:54:12 /usr/include/gtkfilesystemmemory/gtkfilesystemmemory.h Oct 17 16:54:28 this is cssu-thumb :P Oct 17 16:54:32 merlin1991, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05, kerio ^^^^ Oct 17 16:54:35 thanks Oct 17 16:54:44 Pali: I guess only DocScrutinizer05 have stock device Oct 17 16:54:59 this needs to be fixed, header file should not be on production device automatically Oct 17 16:55:09 and osso-memory-backend is core maemo package Oct 17 16:57:30 Pali: same as fmg Oct 17 16:57:39 ok Oct 17 16:57:45 so this is definitly bug Oct 17 17:07:05 hi Oct 17 17:07:14 can some one help me with my n900 wifi Oct 17 17:07:23 I am able to scan the networks well Oct 17 17:07:34 wifiinfo also shows good signal quality Oct 17 17:07:40 but not able to connect to them Oct 17 17:07:48 only if i keep n900 very close to the router Oct 17 17:07:53 practically touching it Oct 17 17:07:58 then it is able to connect Oct 17 17:08:01 please help Oct 17 17:08:21 I still dont think the hardware is screwed because scanning works perfectly fine Oct 17 17:09:23 anyone who can help me with this Oct 17 17:09:24 ?? Oct 17 17:10:39 any experienced users here? Oct 17 17:17:08 help please Oct 17 17:17:10 someone Oct 17 17:28:03 sat2050, probably best to make a post on talk.maemo.org for help on this. Oct 17 17:33:13 Woody14619: ok thanks Oct 17 17:37:59 maemo.org/downloads/ should not require javascript just to show a full-sized version of a screenshot, IMHO Oct 17 19:25:42 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/ollia_memoirs/ Oct 17 19:47:29 I will push fixed gtkfilesystemmemory/osso-memory-backend package to git on cssu gitorious and to cssu-devel Oct 17 19:47:44 header files will be in new package osso-memory-backend-dev Oct 17 19:47:52 so not on n900 device anymore Oct 17 19:56:57 done Oct 17 19:57:06 merlin1991, freemangordon ^^^^ Oct 17 19:57:49 https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/gtkfilesystemmemory/commits/master **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 18 02:59:58 2013