**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 25 02:59:58 2013 Oct 25 03:08:04 * brolin_empey seems to have successfully installed the CSSU-stable. modest now seems able to open/load messages from a Google Mail account via the IMAP. So far, though, I have tested only with a Wireless LAN, not with the cellular network. Oct 25 05:47:16 moo Oct 25 06:11:32 DocScrutinizer05: Lactation? Oct 25 06:14:41 SHAman? Oct 25 06:17:41 If someone seriously created a program named dog as “an enhanced replacement for cat”, does a command or program named woman exist to complement man? Oct 25 06:18:32 Write-Only man(ual)? Oct 25 06:20:19 If tac seriously exists as a backward cat, then god should exist as a backward dog too. :-D Oct 25 06:21:54 Then I could seriously use chmod to set god mode. Well, at least the mode of god. Oct 25 06:22:41 ~reverse brolin_empey Oct 25 06:22:43 yepme_nilorb Oct 25 06:23:14 ~dog brolin_empey Oct 25 06:23:14 * infobot stares at brolin_empey until brolin_empey whimpers and pees all over himself. Oct 25 06:25:15 trivia about cat: it originally meant conCATenate&print Oct 25 06:25:58 which is still what cat does Oct 25 06:26:41 guess what's "usr" Oct 25 06:28:10 hint: it's three(!) words Oct 25 06:43:32 >>When Dennis Ritchie was asked what he would do diffrerently regarding the birth of Unix, he said "I would put a 'e' in /tmp"<< Oct 25 06:46:25 usr is simply for "multi-user programs" everything else is made up afterwards Oct 25 06:47:58 hm Oct 25 06:48:21 nowait Oct 25 06:48:40 just "user" Oct 25 06:48:45 user something resources? Oct 25 06:48:46 as in "not boot" Oct 25 06:48:57 damn Oct 25 06:49:09 haha i actually forgot Oct 25 06:49:34 DocScrutinizer05: Yes, I knew cat means concatenate. :-P Oct 25 06:50:08 unix system resources Oct 25 06:50:30 now that is certainly not it. Oct 25 06:50:39 ~cat DocScrutinizer05 Oct 25 06:50:40 * infobot shoves a feral cat down DocScrutinizer05's pants Oct 25 06:50:47 the unix system did not go into /usr Oct 25 06:51:32 USER didn't even have write permissions or any data whatsoever in /usr Oct 25 06:51:38 unless your hosts is in /usr/etc/hosts Oct 25 06:51:47 irrelevant Oct 25 06:52:10 ~reverse Microsoft Windows Live Oct 25 06:52:10 yeah, this discussion is irrelevant Oct 25 06:52:11 eviL swodniW tfosorciM Oct 25 06:52:29 /usr contains installations of user-specific programs Oct 25 06:52:37 bullshit Oct 25 06:52:54 remember when unix actually was multi-user machines? Oct 25 06:53:00 ~optification Oct 25 06:53:01 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Oct 25 06:53:01 hahah Oct 25 06:53:12 the bullshit again Oct 25 06:53:18 the point of /usr was that you didn't need it to boot the system Oct 25 06:53:26 you're so full of it. Oct 25 06:53:34 everything needed to boot was in /bin etc Oct 25 06:53:39 everything else went in /usr Oct 25 06:53:48 unless it was local, then it went in /usr/local Oct 25 06:54:06 Luke-Jr: stuff you didnt need in single user. yes. Oct 25 06:54:08 no, not everything, only "System Resources" aka binaries, libs, whatnot Oct 25 06:54:28 user system resources Oct 25 06:54:34 that was it Oct 25 06:54:40 rhe idea of /usr originally been to share one volume between several machines Oct 25 06:55:23 thus stuff in there is a) not user-specific, and b) not needed during boot Oct 25 06:55:52 however see /usr/local/ Oct 25 06:56:19 which should mount back to a local volme Oct 25 06:56:23 i didnt mean user-specific, i meant "for the users" as opposed to "for the admins" Oct 25 06:56:41 it used to be that they were actually differnt people =) Oct 25 06:56:47 haha, what's with usr/sbin ? Oct 25 06:57:16 that came later afaik. also is an abomination Oct 25 06:57:20 … Oct 25 06:57:34 don't mess with an old grumpy fart who's doing unix since ~30 years Oct 25 06:58:08 sono: Remember when a “phone” was a telephone instead of a computer with optional telephony capability? Oct 25 06:58:20 DUH, 38, damn the time flies by Oct 25 06:58:31 you're way too quick with the ranthammer to gegt respect, no matter how grey l.. Oct 25 06:58:35 hahahhaha 38 Oct 25 06:59:08 i am 36. have you been doing unix since you were 8? Oct 25 06:59:12 ooh, you're right Oct 25 06:59:28 no, I thought 15 Oct 25 06:59:29 i am done with this Oct 25 06:59:37 but actually might have been way later Oct 25 06:59:57 I vote we strap sono to a Windows RT toy and make him use Program Files Oct 25 07:00:33 :-) Oct 25 07:00:52 Luke-Jr: You mean PROGRA~1 ? ;-) Oct 25 07:01:01 :-D Oct 25 07:01:24 sono: fhs doesn't care about your bullshit, thankfully Oct 25 07:01:38 fhs sucks, wtf did they do to poor /mnt ? Oct 25 07:01:50 hihi Oct 25 07:02:23 I need to figure out eudev soon. Oct 25 07:02:33 since the systemd idiots took over udev Oct 25 07:02:46 * DocScrutinizer05 giggles watching USA blush on embarrassment about their own espionage and the global damage done Oct 25 07:03:08 singular, not plural Oct 25 07:03:18 THE systemd idiot Oct 25 07:03:57 akso took over /usr, so my above joke been just a reminescence, since soon we'll miss it completely Oct 25 07:04:05 s/ak/al/ Oct 25 07:04:06 DocScrutinizer05 meant: also took over /usr, so my above joke been just a reminescence, since soon we'll miss it completely Oct 25 07:05:08 in times of systemd, there are no more late-mounted volumes, and no more small root filesystems where every byte counts Oct 25 07:05:36 fsck lennart! Oct 25 07:06:08 i doubt systemd will take over completly Oct 25 07:13:21 * brolin_empey is (still) up past his bedtime. Oct 25 07:16:29 btw u gatta give credit to Lennart Poettering.... i didn't belive some1 will make init i'll disslike more then sysV ... Oct 25 07:16:35 not an easy task to do. Oct 25 07:23:49 i am trying to overcome the initial reaction because it's clearly here to stay.. Oct 25 07:23:52 * sono arrived at the office Oct 25 07:24:17 kerio: luckily, the filesystem structure goes way before the actual FHS, it goes back to bell labs Oct 25 07:24:20 kerio: so more bullshit Oct 25 07:24:57 * sono still doesn't know how to write rules for the new udev Oct 25 07:26:26 ~cat dog Oct 25 07:26:27 * infobot shoves a feral cat down dog's pants Oct 25 07:26:50 ~dog cat Oct 25 07:26:50 * infobot stares at cat until cat whimpers and pees all over himself. Oct 25 07:27:12 ~dog female Oct 25 07:27:13 * infobot stares at female until female whimpers and pees all over himself. Oct 25 07:27:37 and can we finally stop the hostilities, it's getting old. i guess we all proved that we are cranky old farts long enough now Oct 25 07:28:26 Why does infobot seem to assume that all IRC users are male? (fail) Oct 25 07:29:44 gender-specific pronouns are silly. Oct 25 07:31:21 indeed Oct 25 07:31:26 and yet, they prevail Oct 25 07:31:46 Or maybe female whimpers and urinates all over infobot, who is (a) male, hence the masculine pronoun? Oct 25 07:33:29 What is the intended antecedent (sp?) of “himself” in the sentence “infobot stares at female until female whimpers and pees all over himself.”? Oct 25 07:33:54 antecedant? Oct 25 07:34:29 ~dog Oct 25 07:34:30 it has been said that dog is In Dog We Trust Oct 25 07:34:48 ~dog Oct 25 07:34:48 extra, extra, read all about it, dog is In Dog We Trust Oct 25 07:35:35 ~dog self Oct 25 07:35:36 * infobot stares at self until self whimpers and pees all over himself. Oct 25 07:36:09 ~dog infobot Oct 25 07:36:10 * infobot stares at infobot until infobot whimpers and pees all over himself. Oct 25 07:36:21 eyes in stalks? Oct 25 07:36:55 ~cat infobot Oct 25 07:36:56 * infobot shoves a feral cat down infobot's pants Oct 25 07:37:31 ~reverse racecar Oct 25 07:37:32 racecar Oct 25 07:38:01 ~reverse engineer Oct 25 07:38:02 reenigne Oct 25 07:38:25 ~reverse palindrome Oct 25 07:38:26 emordnilap Oct 25 07:39:16 ~reverse PRND Oct 25 07:39:17 DNRP Oct 25 07:39:50 ~forward D Oct 25 07:39:59 ~forward 1 Oct 25 07:40:32 Aww. ☹ Oct 25 07:41:09 ~slap stick Oct 25 07:41:10 * infobot slaps stick, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Oct 25 07:41:24 ~gender Oct 25 07:41:24 I'm gay Oct 25 07:41:51 ~finger self Oct 25 07:41:52 * infobot raises his middle finger to self Oct 25 07:42:13 ~attack brolin_empey Oct 25 07:42:13 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing brolin_empey Oct 25 07:43:22 Why is infobot now feminine instead of masculine? Oct 25 07:43:43 ~gender bender Oct 25 07:43:44 I heard bender is sexless. Oct 25 07:44:02 ~gender hack Oct 25 07:44:03 I heard hack is male. Oct 25 07:44:07 ~gender hack Oct 25 07:44:14 :-P Oct 25 07:45:12 and WOOOOSH Oct 25 07:45:34 ~gender infobot Oct 25 07:45:35 I heard infobot is female. Oct 25 07:45:45 ~gender female Oct 25 07:45:45 I heard female is sexless. Oct 25 07:45:53 ~gender male Oct 25 07:45:53 I heard male is lesbian. Oct 25 07:45:59 :-D Oct 25 07:46:12 you can probably message the bot Oct 25 07:46:22 ~query Oct 25 07:46:25 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Oct 25 07:47:29 ~gender brolin_empey DocScrutinizer05 Oct 25 07:47:29 I heard brolin_empey DocScrutinizer05 is sexless. Oct 25 07:47:38 so CALL ME NOW! Oct 25 07:48:47 (only 4.99 per minute) Oct 25 07:51:47 ~striptease Oct 25 07:51:48 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Oct 25 07:55:41 ~.~ Oct 25 07:55:42 Ni hao! Oct 25 07:59:45 hello DocScrutinizer05 great master. Can I have an app for automatically have timers of the day and night or custom of general and silence profile? Oct 25 08:01:17 and why dropbox never recognizes me as the account to authenticate? I am pretty sure I enter the right user and pass Oct 25 08:01:17 err, when I correctly parsed your question, then the answer is "YES". And the answer to your next question is "alarmed" Oct 25 08:01:58 it seems already on tasks in htop alarmed Oct 25 08:02:00 and I heard dropbox changed API. IIRC. thus no more works Oct 25 08:02:32 don't mix alarmd and alarmed Oct 25 08:02:46 ~pkg Oct 25 08:02:47 well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 25 08:02:53 and no develops? no chances? no alternatives to that app? Oct 25 08:03:06 that app is brilliant Oct 25 08:03:17 ah ok thank you DocScrutinizer05 Oct 25 08:03:24 (I contributed to it ;-P ) Oct 25 08:03:37 I meant about dropbox Oct 25 08:03:56 aah, sorry, I don't know much about that dropbox issue Oct 25 08:04:07 all remains to do is remove it Oct 25 08:04:22 and some alternative app? Oct 25 08:04:37 sorry, I'm using my own server Oct 25 08:04:56 that's means? Oct 25 08:05:18 that means I never used dropbox or any of the possibly existing alternatives Oct 25 08:05:32 alright Oct 25 08:05:35 bye Oct 25 08:05:37 thus I have no idea and can't really help Oct 25 08:05:46 ok Oct 25 08:06:09 likewise I know little about gmail Oct 25 08:06:30 or facebook Oct 25 08:06:32 or twitter Oct 25 08:06:57 or wazzapp Oct 25 08:07:07 yappari Oct 25 08:07:10 or whatever is the spelling of that hoax Oct 25 08:07:14 is cool developed Oct 25 08:07:46 yes no problem about that ones Oct 25 08:08:10 maybe because is all developed Oct 25 08:10:13 note that alarmed also has a nice versatile cmdline interface, all it needs is a symlink to not break your fingers when using it: /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py Oct 25 08:11:07 for completely unclear reasons shapeshifter(?) refused to add that link to the package Oct 25 08:12:15 http://privatepaste.com/4c0722f2e6 Oct 25 08:13:02 ooh, he also didn't use basename($0) in --help output Oct 25 08:13:43 and (a pity) tehere's no --version option Oct 25 08:14:56 hold down... anyway just installed... man as I tab you you get on fire Oct 25 08:15:16 XP Oct 25 08:17:45 ~xyawn Oct 25 08:17:45 somebody said xyawn was big coffee Oct 25 08:17:50 K Oct 25 08:18:14 YEAH cool app DocScrutinizer05 I configured my stuff Oct 25 08:18:21 cool Oct 25 08:18:26 toldya it's a cool app Oct 25 08:18:26 DocScrutinizer05, /etc/init.d/rcS the mount_mmc() function, is the earlyest stage of boot where we have mounted partitions with rw? right? Oct 25 08:18:53 (excluding the tmpfs partitions ofc) Oct 25 08:18:58 I guess that's correct, yeah Oct 25 08:19:25 at end of rcS Oct 25 08:19:44 anyway before last flash this n900 wa heavy slow Oct 25 08:19:57 now it's completely reborn Oct 25 08:20:48 such a pain no dropbox here Oct 25 08:22:41 yeah, in some respect maemo5 is like windows - occasionally a complete fresh installation does wonders. Just for maemo5 it's months, not days Oct 25 08:23:54 lulz did you never try smscon? it's amazing... as you test the 'track on' with gps... it starts and you can't stop it from using gps... but it shows the gps icon anyway so whoever steal this... can understand and remove battey suddenly... Oct 25 08:25:56 and I did not test it without money inside the SIM Oct 25 08:26:30 but I think this is not working without money...won't send sms Oct 25 08:26:35 good point! file a ticket against the app Oct 25 08:26:51 it SHOULD hide GPS systray icon Oct 25 08:26:54 I won't do you it Oct 25 08:27:36 sorry, I *never* file tickets against bugs I haven't reproduced myself Oct 25 08:27:51 alright Oct 25 08:27:56 BY myself Oct 25 08:28:07 no develop never on it then Oct 25 08:28:22 anyway you know yet by me here Oct 25 08:28:24 your fault ;-) Oct 25 08:28:51 you will might have will to test by youself Oct 25 08:28:55 then... Oct 25 08:29:01 I'll win Oct 25 08:29:55 you could find out who's maintainer (on ~pkg), and try to directly ping her/him here, instead of using the bugtracker link on that ~pkg page Oct 25 08:30:28 also the deficit fact further is that without money on the card ... no sms more and loss of tracks Oct 25 08:30:58 only so much you can do about that Oct 25 08:31:17 but... as the n900 gets a new and not IMEI recognized card it send the sms with new number Oct 25 08:32:22 but in the case the stealer does not be supported about hot to flash the n900 before starting it with new sim card and number Oct 25 08:33:36 if the stealer get supported here about how to flash it... before to use it with his own sim card Oct 25 08:33:42 he will win Oct 25 08:34:38 so... there are such deficits... of the entire plan project... not only some bug Oct 25 08:35:22 I reported here And I won't report in no any other part Oct 25 08:35:32 byez Oct 25 08:37:35 A suggestion to the security concerned devels/hackers: patch uBoot so it needs slide-open AND volume-up AND cam-door open to pop up menu. Make default startup pass a parameter on cmdline that causes a lockscreen to show up that mentions the owner's name, and landline phone number. Make that screen also "call home" whenever a wrong device lockcode gets entered. And now the missing jigsaw puzzle piece: Patch NOLO so it doesn't enter Oct 25 08:37:36 flashing mode unless you hold a key of user's choice (NOT 'U'!), or even completely forbid NOLO entering flashing mode Oct 25 08:39:34 sounds like you thought of everything (except jtag perhaps ;-) Oct 25 08:46:13 oh god this sounds good Oct 25 08:46:25 I would learn Oct 25 08:46:49 some guide? Oct 25 08:47:11 DocScrutinizer05: i was thinking about something along displaying a bootscreen, encrypted by the hash of the bootloader/bootimage plus users rsa key (only decryption available on the device), plus maybe some other credential like pin/passwd Oct 25 08:47:49 if the user feeds once a unique image (deleted everywhere else) then this should be rather hard to crack and its easily visible if tampered Oct 25 08:50:11 cehteh: nice idea Oct 25 08:50:55 different target but nicely complementary to my suggestion Oct 25 08:51:51 apropos lockscreen ... would be nice if it accepts characters and keyboard input too, i dont care if only the numpad is visible on touchscreen Oct 25 08:52:01 yes I see that too as well Oct 25 08:52:06 but that you cant enter lockcodes from keyboard sux Oct 25 08:52:23 yep Oct 25 08:52:42 anything that can't get entered via both HID alternatively sucks Oct 25 08:52:43 besides the lockcode is hillariously insecore .. what hash do they use? Oct 25 08:53:19 and full device encryption .. Oct 25 08:53:35 well prolly no for the n900 anymore, aging system :( Oct 25 08:53:51 you heard of neo900? Oct 25 08:53:57 i mean by default/well supported i know it works has hack Oct 25 08:53:58 sure Oct 25 08:54:00 nope? ahaahaha Oct 25 08:54:25 how is the ne0900 come along? Oct 25 08:54:38 monday we start "kickstarter" Oct 25 08:54:41 i like the idea but its way to expensive for me Oct 25 08:54:46 actually NOT kickstarter Oct 25 08:54:51 uboot I have already installed... so should I mess up by myself the conf? Oct 25 08:54:56 half the price double the ram would be a deal Oct 25 08:55:11 and meanwhile i'd like a biggier screen Oct 25 08:55:15 sorry, not really feasible Oct 25 08:55:18 i know Oct 25 08:55:21 too bad Oct 25 08:55:50 maybe ArgoNinehundred Oct 25 08:55:56 neo900 is an expensive geek toy, i wish it all luck and success, but i cant go that way Oct 25 08:56:06 aka Argo900 Oct 25 08:56:16 aka GTA04-ArgoN Oct 25 08:56:49 hardware wise i'd like my wifes Note 2 ... but the droid sux Oct 25 08:57:01 once freemantle settled and matured on Neo900, we might dare to switch hw architecture Oct 25 08:57:03 would be awesome when one had some more choices for an od Oct 25 08:57:05 os Oct 25 08:57:22 cyanogen might be an option for my wife but isnt for me Oct 25 08:57:41 and a friend offered me a spare n900 so my stock is secured for some time Oct 25 08:57:58 wait for next major step of this operation, which may start in as short as 12 months Oct 25 08:58:13 mmmaybe i get a jolla otherwise, but thats also rather a waitandsee Oct 25 08:58:31 yeah i hope i can sustain the n900 as long as possible Oct 25 08:58:59 when Neo900 realy flies, we might build an ecosystem that allows own case Oct 25 08:59:01 anyways .. there are meanwhile few more players, sometihng i wouldnt expected 1.5-2 years ago Oct 25 08:59:15 for Argo900 Oct 25 08:59:17 firefox os, 'nuntu, sailfish, .... Oct 25 08:59:31 competition is really good Oct 25 08:59:51 any island-platform needs to readjust now Oct 25 08:59:55 all targeting at smartphone competition, NOT at MID Oct 25 09:00:07 yeah Oct 25 09:00:36 but i think more about ecology, having platforms with portable libs, forcing devs to think in a portable way Oct 25 09:00:52 none of them even considers offering an alternative to their individual flavor of "appstore" Oct 25 09:00:56 years ago you made one android and one ios port and you are done Oct 25 09:01:07 now you have really reconsider when making products Oct 25 09:01:45 well i'll bet that will come because no one wants to maintain 5+ platforms for his app Oct 25 09:01:51 and none really dedicated to FOSS Oct 25 09:02:21 thats true, but its a start to force people thinking in a interoperating/portable way Oct 25 09:02:47 nice seed for FOSS software. its a death pin if some FOSS project is tied to a propietary platform Oct 25 09:03:19 ultimatively this will lead to more free software and free platforms Oct 25 09:03:20 nobody wants to earn money with devices anymore. Devices are subsidized to make money fro appstore Oct 25 09:03:31 a concept Nokia finaaly died from Oct 25 09:04:06 i think that model is current but not sustainable in the long run Oct 25 09:04:37 it seems to work - a bazillion fart-apps prove that Oct 25 09:04:56 cehteh: the model is about as sustainable as almost all of commerce. Oct 25 09:05:00 yeah but plg get sick of them, the hype is over Oct 25 09:05:06 cehteh: it works, it makes people money, and as long as this is true, it will persist Oct 25 09:05:35 how much it sucks is entirely irrelevant... Oct 25 09:05:56 sure, but with free software providing 'useful' tools the fart-apps become irrelavent, people have to deliver something to get money from software Oct 25 09:06:08 ? no Oct 25 09:06:17 FLOSS has been useful for ages Oct 25 09:06:28 yet we have as doc said a bazillion fart apps Oct 25 09:06:31 most (except email haha) daily jobs can be done on the n900 for me. i dont need fart-apps Oct 25 09:07:11 yes, still i tihnk that was a hype, everyone wants a speaking cat and whatever .. but meanwhile it gets boring Oct 25 09:07:18 everyone seen it no one needs it Oct 25 09:07:34 DocScrutinizer05, anyway how to make uboot make that weird and customizable things? Oct 25 09:08:39 cehteh: authors (small shops with a terrible boss and clueless dev slaves, or just individuals who wish to enrich themselves) will write fart apps, and people will buy fart apps for the same reason they watch daytime TV. Oct 25 09:08:43 cehteh: there is no end in sight Oct 25 09:09:41 zammy: that's basically rather simple - when you know how uBoot works Oct 25 09:10:19 maybe with uboot edit something... Oct 25 09:10:26 anyway cya folks, I'm busy with preparing our "cone-out" at monday Oct 25 09:10:32 come* even Oct 25 09:10:36 yea i got work stuff, too.. Oct 25 09:10:37 ok Oct 25 09:10:38 cya Oct 25 09:12:18 is bootscreen control panel applet? Oct 25 11:29:42 hello. I'm having some issues flashing my N900 Oct 25 11:30:05 when N900 boots up, all images seem to be broken Oct 25 11:30:39 everything, the whole desktop is broken, and even the pin-input is consisted only of broken images Oct 25 11:31:27 anyone have some time to tell me what to do? Oct 25 11:36:41 you just flashed both images? latest versions? and this happens before touching anything? Oct 25 11:37:02 yes, latest Oct 25 11:37:41 hrm. i have very little experience and can't imagine what would cause this. doc is out preparing for the neo crowdfunding launch Oct 25 11:37:44 maybe he will answer later Oct 25 11:37:45 you failed to flash COMBINED after VANILLA Oct 25 11:37:51 haha =) Oct 25 11:38:04 DocScrutinizer05: you are omnipresent aren't you =) Oct 25 11:38:08 i should flash vanilla first, or? Oct 25 11:38:11 yes Oct 25 11:38:20 and yes Oct 25 11:38:26 will try now Oct 25 11:38:55 funny symptom Oct 25 11:39:19 the absolutely foolproof method as described in wiki flashing howto: COMBINED, then VANILLA, then COMBINED *again* Oct 25 11:39:21 is there any twitter client that works? Oct 25 11:39:25 ~flashing Oct 25 11:39:26 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 11:40:07 the symptom is caused by incomplete or borked optification during first-boot Oct 25 11:40:23 also, why does my terminal stop working after ssh drops? nothing happens when I hit enter Oct 25 11:40:56 hm? inisde ssh? Oct 25 11:41:07 inside* Oct 25 11:43:50 no, in ash. I can still type etc, but nothing happens when I hit enter Oct 25 11:45:24 DocScrutinizer05: looks like it works, ty :) but there's no wallpaper on the desktop, could something be missing? Oct 25 11:45:30 widgets are there though Oct 25 11:45:48 and photos just crashed on me Oct 25 11:46:04 every application crashes Oct 25 11:46:56 strange Oct 25 11:47:29 sounds to me like flashing failed Oct 25 11:48:36 kerum: did you read the *complete* webpage http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? Oct 25 11:48:51 yeah, a few times Oct 25 11:49:33 did you follow the foolproof procedure under "troubleshooting" ? Oct 25 11:49:45 doing it now Oct 25 11:54:57 it's booting now, those progression dots Oct 25 11:55:16 i flashed combined -> vanilla -> combined with -R parameter Oct 25 11:56:40 wallpaper is here now... Oct 25 11:56:47 microb started too :) Oct 25 11:56:49 ty Oct 25 11:56:58 seems like that's it Oct 25 12:01:28 yw Oct 25 12:37:08 deepy: ssh known to lockup sometimes. killing it from a second shell or closing the complete xterm might be the only two measures to "recover" then Oct 25 12:37:36 nevertheless I'd first try ^C and ~. Oct 25 12:38:58 if both don't help, try ^Q then ^D. Then kill or close Oct 25 12:39:59 this is a bug in ssh seen on "standard" environments (No maemo involved) as well Oct 25 12:47:37 for the record: don't use -R parameter, it at best is useless. Worst case breaks your flashing Oct 25 12:48:29 the foolproof procedure is robust enough to cope with it nevertheless, but better you don't use it Oct 25 13:08:53 DocScrutinizer05: it's not ssh, it's after ssh dies Oct 25 13:09:00 I can do ^C and it puts me on the new line, but I can't hit enter Oct 25 13:09:05 if I so SHIFT+ENTER it prints MO Oct 25 13:09:34 I'd see 'connection to xyz lost' and then I'd be unable to hit enter Oct 25 13:20:53 [11:09:41] 19<DocScrutinizer05> zammy: that's basically rather simple - when you know how uBoot works Oct 25 13:20:57 but I don't Oct 25 13:21:37 ooh, colours Oct 25 13:22:03 deepy: no idea Oct 25 13:22:23 try typing "reset" blindly Oct 25 13:22:40 xoff / xon? Oct 25 13:22:51 zemmy: I can't give instructions in IRC how to do it Oct 25 13:31:35 DocScrutinizer05, is U-Boot with kernel and with penguin funny icon or whitout that's uboot-pr13? Oct 25 13:39:13 alright understood Oct 25 13:39:21 the penguin icon one Oct 25 14:19:45 Hello there... Is there any way how to check if there is a SIP call in progress in maemo on n900 through dbus? checking for voice call is pretty simple but how can I do it for SIP? Oct 25 14:21:00 ah for NSA spies Oct 25 14:22:51 killall rtcom-call-ui Oct 25 14:23:00 lol Oct 25 14:23:13 JoHnY: I think you need to monitor dbus Oct 25 14:23:15 >< Oct 25 14:24:47 hmm, so there is no simple dbus-send command that can check for a SIP call in progress like for regular calls? Oct 25 14:26:25 maybe starhash enabler is useful Oct 25 14:27:32 I'd think a sip call *is* a "regular" call Oct 25 14:27:55 no, *#-ena is completely unrelated to this Oct 25 14:28:03 DocScrutinizer05: well, no, dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call/1 com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance.GetStatus reports 0 while in SIP call Oct 25 14:28:15 I never tested that *# enabler stuff Oct 25 14:28:42 sure, csd is about modem/GSM only Oct 25 14:29:11 you need to ask rtcom or telepathy Oct 25 14:29:39 actually telepathy-sofiasip is handling SIP calls Oct 25 14:29:40 anyway I find in app manager dbus-script-settings Oct 25 14:29:47 anyway I find in app manager dbus-scripts-settings Oct 25 14:30:29 by the way where can I find some reference for all those dbus interfaces? Oct 25 14:30:37 http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/ Oct 25 14:30:50