**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 26 02:59:59 2013 Oct 26 07:46:52 hah Oct 26 08:08:44 hello. DocScrutinizer05 hey I want the cli for alarmed for optimizen900 and opening amd closing the email app is it possible mate? Oct 26 08:12:31 alarmed is a gui for alarmd Oct 26 08:18:01 sixwheeledbeast, i don't understand what does that mean... shall i use another app? Oct 26 08:18:25 what exactly do you want to do? Oct 26 08:18:27 ~xy Oct 26 08:18:28 methinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. Oct 26 08:20:07 I said I want command line for optimizen900 and email client so I can program timer with opening and closing email client which name idk... as well as optimizen900 Oct 26 08:20:21 I mean by command line Oct 26 08:20:44 so I add custom run cl on alarmed Oct 26 08:21:41 I was aiming and tabbing doc he usually follows my stressasking Oct 26 08:26:40 use the alarmed applications GUI to program your alarmd commands, e-mail client is modest. Doc must be engaged so you'll have to wait around Oct 26 08:26:51 zamn900: The GUI Mail User Agent (MUA) shipped with Maemo 5 is named modest. Oct 26 08:28:24 so uplift Oct 26 08:28:57 ~optimizen900 Oct 26 08:29:42 ~pkg Oct 26 08:29:42 methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 26 08:33:30 oh great a random killall package that depends on rootsh Oct 26 08:40:08 OMG Oct 26 08:41:56 omg?... Oct 26 08:41:59 i got up 30 minutes ago, feeling depressed and not had coffee yet. why the shouting? Oct 26 08:42:19 ~omg Oct 26 08:42:20 hmm... omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God Oct 26 08:43:03 omg Oct 26 08:43:22 and it's fubar by breaking versioning as well, see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/optimizen900// Oct 26 08:43:27 * sixwheeledbeast is aware of the meaning omg :) Oct 26 08:43:28 (SIC!) Oct 26 08:43:37 infobot: WTF is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the ASN specs. "WTF! IT'S MASSIVE!". What The Fuck Oct 26 08:43:39 usage: wtf . Oct 26 08:43:45 meh Oct 26 08:44:06 * sono goes to make coffee Oct 26 08:44:21 see http://maemo.org/packages/view/optimizen900/ Oct 26 08:44:42 optimizen900 Fremantle Extras-devel free armel Package imported System 2011-12-02 14:43 UTC Oct 26 08:45:06 one package, 153 fsckups Oct 26 08:45:47 I see no point in the thing anyway, it was a myth from 2011 maemo era Oct 26 08:47:54 what else except **OH**MY**GOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!** could you say when looking at stuff like http://privatepaste.com/21ddf3a141 Oct 26 08:49:51 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if 153 is really a estimation high enough to meet the number of wrong ideas and fsckups and misconceptions and utter rogue things done, in that package Oct 26 08:50:17 bruteforce heap defragmentation Oct 26 08:50:59 lol, a rather polite euphemism for that abomination Oct 26 08:51:28 in my book it's in one class with Oct 26 08:51:33 ~crappatch Oct 26 08:51:34 [speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Oct 26 08:54:53 DocScrutinizer05: agreed but it's in devel so as long as it stays there "all is fine" and people won't use it or cause chaos... mmm Oct 26 08:55:12 yeah, dang Oct 26 08:56:07 how about creating a "BS-cleaner" app that simply uninstalls all known BS apps (where BS is exactly what you guess it means) Oct 26 09:00:46 talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58935 look at thanks on the OP dafuq Oct 26 09:05:33 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=761377&postcount=79 I'd argue that this script will eat more battery than a reboot, BME shows wack values after reboot. Oct 26 09:06:43 afaik my n900 can connect to the TV Oct 26 09:06:57 now I want to display content of my laptop on the TV Oct 26 09:07:04 what's the best approach? Oct 26 09:08:19 what inputs are on your TV and what outputs doesn't your laptop have? Oct 26 09:11:08 my tv has a scart Oct 26 09:11:29 i've such a converter so my n900 should be able to connect to it Oct 26 09:17:36 infobot: optimizen900 is a killall script that hopes watchdog will restart all processes it nukes. It does not solve the fact you have installed leaky widgets, causing a slow device after ~3 days. Also see ~crappatch Oct 26 09:17:36 sixwheeledbeast: okay Oct 26 09:18:00 grammoboy: only scart on your tv? Oct 26 09:18:49 sixwheeledbeast, i think so, yes Oct 26 09:19:24 and he you had N900 working via that? Oct 26 09:19:38 s/he/have/ Oct 26 09:19:39 sixwheeledbeast meant: and have you had N900 working via that? Oct 26 09:19:48 i tried tvout at the hackspace yesterday night, because i found a display there in the attic Oct 26 09:20:00 quality was not usable, i hope it was the display? Oct 26 09:20:24 i mean, i *did* find it in the attic. Oct 26 09:21:02 My tv-out is fine quality wise. Oct 26 09:21:28 sixwheeledbeast, yep got my n900 working on that Oct 26 09:21:45 do I use ssh -X or vnc or ..? Oct 26 09:24:09 well ideally the best option is to wire the laptop into a compatible tv input which you don't have, so therefore maybe vnc Oct 26 09:25:04 whats the difference between ssh -x and vnc? Oct 26 09:25:29 I want to control the laptop from the laptop keybd Oct 26 09:25:38 seriously? Oct 26 09:25:47 one is ssh using X11 forwarding, the other is VNC. Oct 26 09:26:14 VNC may be the better choice fo ryou Oct 26 09:26:29 why? Oct 26 09:26:53 because it requires less understanding, and is generally speaking a little bit faster Oct 26 09:27:16 for full desktop forwarding of modern UIs, anyway. Oct 26 09:27:22 which i assume you will do. Oct 26 09:27:50 I want to use the content of one VJ app Oct 26 09:28:15 graphically intensive app, this? Oct 26 09:28:24 I think so Oct 26 09:28:43 good luck Oct 26 09:29:13 thanks you Oct 26 09:29:54 by the way, what is it that you actually want to do? Oct 26 09:29:57 11:25 < grammoboy> I want to control the laptop from the laptop keybd Oct 26 09:30:02 thjis makes no sense Oct 26 09:30:25 it makes sense if there's no other way to display the content on the tv Oct 26 09:30:44 I don't know if it makes sense, exploring the possibilities Oct 26 09:31:08 in order to control the laptop from the laptop keyboard, i assume you would sit down at said laptop, and use the keyboard. Oct 26 09:31:21 so, now you talk about a TV Oct 26 09:31:27 so, it makes no sense Oct 26 09:31:35 you conclude too fast Oct 26 09:31:47 no, you are not giving the required info Oct 26 09:32:02 it's for an art project Oct 26 09:32:12 ok Oct 26 09:32:16 display video content on old small tvs Oct 26 09:32:20 so you have an n900 with tvout? Oct 26 09:32:26 just an crazy idea Oct 26 09:32:27 and you want to control that from a laptop? Oct 26 09:32:34 as opposed to controlling a laptop from the laptop? Oct 26 09:32:42 or what Oct 26 09:32:52 can you describe the setup in remotely technical terms Oct 26 09:32:57 it's not about control, its about getting the video content on the TV Oct 26 09:33:16 laptop -> tv Not possible Oct 26 09:33:24 n900 -> tv possible Oct 26 09:33:34 laptop -> n900 - > TV Oct 26 09:33:35 what inputs does the TV have? Oct 26 09:33:40 scart Oct 26 09:33:45 sono: I understand hence my recommendation above. Oct 26 09:34:15 sexyea he wants to do VJing over a VNC player on an n900 which is insane, right Oct 26 09:34:23 damn you freud Oct 26 09:35:36 frammanyway, TV with compatible input, or adapter to convert VGA (which can be gotten from DVI, if your laptop is any good) to scart. but AFAIK there are no passive adapters for this. Oct 26 09:35:38 well it's not ideal but Oct 26 09:36:05 grammoboy you say "tv's" this maybe more of an issue. Oct 26 09:36:40 VGA > composite will look crap Oct 26 09:36:42 splitting s-video should be a simple circuit Oct 26 09:36:50 hmm, ok Oct 26 09:37:28 I've 2 n900s here, so that makes 2 tvs :) Oct 26 09:39:13 grammoboy: If you are using multiple "TV's" I would wire them all to a aerial distribution amp and use a aerial modulator to send composite signal via RF. Attach N900 tv out to modulator and you'll even get sound out of the TV's Oct 26 09:39:38 i'm not saying "don't do it", because its nifty from the hack factor alone Oct 26 09:39:48 what you need is VNC player on the n900s Oct 26 09:39:53 then run a vnc server on the laptop Oct 26 09:40:04 this should be easy to set up Oct 26 09:40:09 vnc is user-friednly Oct 26 09:40:16 much moreso than X11 forwarding, anyway Oct 26 09:40:20 I'll look into it Oct 26 09:40:28 I did some X11 forwarding too in the past Oct 26 09:41:00 tightVNC on laptop with presence VNC on N900 Oct 26 09:41:37 ^ this guy seems to know what he is talking about, tightVNC is good, i haven't used VNC in ages tho Oct 26 09:41:58 hm wondering whether black/white tv have scart as well :) Oct 26 09:41:58 i would do a proper test run, and expect stuttering Oct 26 09:42:03 worth a try tho Oct 26 09:42:56 * sixwheeledbeast works with home electronics and security systems so hopefully should know what he is doing... ) Oct 26 09:43:55 grammoboy: if you do it the way I say you only need a aerial input not even a scart. Oct 26 09:44:45 sixwheeledbeast, aerial input, hmm Oct 26 09:44:58 so any TV will work, see backscroll :) Oct 26 09:45:06 sixwheeledbeast, I don't need sound though Oct 26 09:45:40 doesn't matter, only wire in the video on the modulator Oct 26 09:45:56 hm, if you can get your hands ona modulator Oct 26 09:45:59 I thought audio would add that bit extra to the artwork ;) Oct 26 09:46:07 the band adds that Oct 26 09:46:12 if he is VJing there will be no audio from the TV Oct 26 09:46:34 otherwise, nifty Oct 26 09:46:47 OMP in background? Oct 26 09:46:58 ;) Oct 26 09:47:14 maybe exporting the videos with effects to videofiles and play them on the n900 might be more simple Oct 26 09:47:26 but then you need easy switching between clips Oct 26 09:47:31 well that's hardly VJing then, is it Oct 26 09:47:43 true, but no problem Oct 26 09:48:04 that's even better export the video to a N900 friendly format Oct 26 09:48:20 loose the PC Oct 26 09:48:48 which format and which player then? Oct 26 09:48:51 mplayer? Oct 26 09:49:51 grammoboy: I use this for security application, will work for this to. http://www.pecancctv.com/downloads/RF-MOD-Data_2011.pdf Oct 26 09:50:45 sixwheeledbeast, doesnt look cheap Oct 26 09:50:48 :) Oct 26 09:55:13 can be used as example maybe there are cheaper ones. It's the brand we use due to our supplier Oct 26 09:57:31 grammoboy: if you'd like an expensive option use a IP video > composite video decoder ;) Oct 26 10:10:57 hello, does anyone code Java on N900? I'm starting to learn programming with Java and I have the idea that I could do some of my coding exercises on the N900. I installed Icedtea6, but I have no idea how to use the command line for coding actually. Can anybody give me a hint how to get started /what other tools I need? Oct 26 10:11:41 * sono gulps Oct 26 10:12:21 are you looking for something like java --help or are your looking for something like vim Oct 26 10:12:42 i suspect you might not actually know what you are looking for Oct 26 10:12:52 perhaps start with python Oct 26 10:13:39 sono actually, I'm looking for a Java IDE for the N900, but I figure we don't have that Oct 26 10:13:40 ? Oct 26 10:13:54 oh mz. Oct 26 10:13:57 my* Oct 26 10:14:32 learnpythonthehardway.org <= i suggest you do this at least until you feel confident about programming in general, only then turn back to java. Oct 26 10:14:36 it seems as though we'Re restricted to command line for coding on the N900, no? Oct 26 10:15:10 I'd have liked to start with Python but my school goes with Java, so I have no choice Oct 26 10:15:17 there is always a choice Oct 26 10:15:39 read the help for the java executeable and the jar executeable Oct 26 10:15:40 Python would be better to do on the N900 I guess Oct 26 10:15:42 learn java the hard way Oct 26 10:15:49 learn how to compile java classes Oct 26 10:15:57 what editor you use is irrelevant Oct 26 10:16:09 learn how to work with ant or maven or whatever you youngsters consider hip nowadays Oct 26 10:16:18 :-D Oct 26 10:16:19 sixwheeledbeast, but you think a 900 is a good device to connect to old tvs, or would you choose an other one? Oct 26 10:16:32 really, benny Oct 26 10:16:33 wish that I were a youngster Oct 26 10:16:54 you will learn nothing of value from coding from example textbooks against java APIs that the IDE will present to you on a tablet Oct 26 10:17:04 worse, you will be doing negative learning Oct 26 10:17:07 sixwheeledbeast, laptop is hard to an old tv probably Oct 26 10:17:55 rPi outputs SVID and HDMI. Oct 26 10:17:55 I'm more of a late starter Oct 26 10:18:02 irrelevant =) Oct 26 10:18:27 even moreso you should learn the hard way Oct 26 10:19:00 well to compile java classes on N900, I need just icedtea, yes? Oct 26 10:19:16 * sono briefly wonders if there is a "learn java the hard way" thing with comparable quality to zed shaw's work Oct 26 10:19:19 yes Oct 26 10:19:40 javac name.java Oct 26 10:19:48 presumably Oct 26 10:19:52 bennypr0fane: python will be better to learn and execute on N900 also opens up PyQt GUI's Oct 26 10:20:35 which are the tools that you guys use for coding on N900? Oct 26 10:20:43 i don't code on the n900 Oct 26 10:20:59 the n900 is a smart network appliance for me Oct 26 10:21:14 bennypr0fane: ssh, and a computer with a real keyboard :) Oct 26 10:21:17 grammoboy: You said you have N900 and laptop with only old TV's so that is what I worked from Oct 26 10:21:20 if i write code using the n900, it will be on a remote ^ Oct 26 10:21:36 i mean, seriously Oct 26 10:21:49 why would you even consider such a thing. even if you don't own a PC Oct 26 10:21:49 (more importantly, a bigger CPU to do the compiling one...) Oct 26 10:22:05 sixwheeledbeast: (talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58935 etc) yep, insane. And lots of noobs applauding to a lot of handwaving Oct 26 10:22:10 alright, so none of you codes on the N900. Got it Oct 26 10:22:21 it is an insane notion, if you ask me Oct 26 10:22:30 but w/e Oct 26 10:22:37 Doc :nod: see ~optimizen900 :) Oct 26 10:24:59 sono because seriously, sitting in a public place with a laptop actually on yr lap seems more insane to me , it gives me cramps in the neck Oct 26 10:25:43 Some people code on N900 but it's got more room for text errors IMO. mainly use Vi or Vim. I like gedit on debian/buntu myself the colors help weed out the typos. Oct 26 10:26:02 I've read lots of people on TMO syaing the do some minor coding work on N900 Oct 26 10:26:02 nobody is stopping you from ssh'ing out from your n900 to a host where you have a good, customized vim and enough CPU to actually compile things. Oct 26 10:26:27 but as soon as you get home, either hook the n900 into your "dock" or use the other machines Oct 26 10:26:41 everything else is just masochism Oct 26 10:27:04 when I'm home that's obviously what I do Oct 26 10:27:10 not a masochist Oct 26 10:27:11 so ssh out. Oct 26 10:27:23 i am verboten from mentioning how i do that Oct 26 10:27:28 I'm talking about mobile use, y'know Oct 26 10:27:47 the kinbd of thing you use mobile devices for Oct 26 10:27:48 but doc will gladly supply you with an autossh-like hack consisting of a shell script loop Oct 26 10:27:49 geez Oct 26 10:27:56 =) Oct 26 10:28:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GvPxbAiv8 Oct 26 10:28:50 grammoboy: a honest suggestion: forget about using N900 for a PC->TV adapter, it won't fly Oct 26 10:28:53 you vim and ssh/rsync your work back to desktop using stuff from ~jrtools Oct 26 10:28:57 what you might do when you're out and about with some spare time on your hands, sitting around ... Oct 26 10:29:03 s/you/use/ Oct 26 10:29:04 sixwheeledbeast meant: use vim and ssh/rsync your work back to desktop using stuff from ~jrtools Oct 26 10:29:13 ~jrtools Oct 26 10:29:13 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 26 10:29:21 DocScrutinizer05, and n900 -> TV? Oct 26 10:29:29 that works OOTB Oct 26 10:29:46 sixwheeledbeast, thanks Oct 26 10:29:56 aiui you already did it, with your CVBS->SCART adapter Oct 26 10:30:00 hm then I need to see if can can smartly loop and switch clips via mplayer Oct 26 10:30:52 bennypr0fane: instead of using rsync learn git. Oct 26 10:31:01 grammoboy: get an adapter from whatever video-out you may have on laptop, to RGB or CVBS. they are dirt cheap, like 20 bucks Oct 26 10:31:56 DocScrutinizer05, that works the same as n900 to tv, quality wise? Oct 26 10:32:12 nowadays every modern TV set has HDMI input as well, and many come with VGA input even, which is perfect to hook up a PC/laptip to it Oct 26 10:32:27 hey I am back Oct 26 10:32:35 yes, quality is at least at par Oct 26 10:32:36 he mentioned something about an art project and black and white TVs, doc Oct 26 10:32:43 i think this is intentionally low-fi Oct 26 10:32:45 sono I guess compiling stuff before uploading to git is better so rsync to me home devices for testing seems a good idea Oct 26 10:32:46 so modest is for email cool Oct 26 10:33:08 i did not find any else about optimizen900 Oct 26 10:33:09 DocScrutinizer05, yep I want to use old TVs Oct 26 10:33:20 then use CVBS Oct 26 10:33:21 did I miss something? Oct 26 10:34:10 http://www.geekbuying.com/item/VGA-to-CVBS---S-Video-PC-to-TV-Video-Converter-Box-Adapter-AV-Gadgets-Equipment-CN147997--305395.html Oct 26 10:34:49 first hit on google Oct 26 10:35:11 for `vga to cvbs adapter` Oct 26 10:35:39 I'm too lazy to do `hdmi to cvbs adapter` for you Oct 26 10:35:52 ok,thx :) Oct 26 10:35:56 or whatever you laptop may support for video out Oct 26 10:36:04 vga I guess Oct 26 10:36:49 is normal having 188 tasks on this tiny n900 Oct 26 10:37:47 yes Oct 26 10:38:01 well, 158 is normal Oct 26 10:38:19 top - 12:38:17 up 26 days, 16:16, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00 Oct 26 10:38:21 Tasks: 153 total, 1 running, 152 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Oct 26 10:38:21 as long as they all sleep nicely.. scheduler is ok with that Oct 26 10:38:38 zamn900: it's basically normal for unix in general Oct 26 10:38:46 having a very large number of processes, i mean Oct 26 10:39:13 top (true top, from procps ;-D ) or htop (easier) is your friend Oct 26 10:39:14 yes and If I give a hit with optimizen900 I get 160 tasks about Oct 26 10:39:32 please!!!! Oct 26 10:39:42 didnt we establish that this thing is snake oil already? Oct 26 10:39:55 optimizen900 will declared a ban'able subject in 30 minutes Oct 26 10:40:02 =D Oct 26 10:40:07 ? Oct 26 10:40:23 zamn900: FORGET DAT SHITE! Oct 26 10:40:37 it's ruining your day Oct 26 10:40:46 alright Oct 26 10:40:50 (and mine, when you talk about it) Oct 26 10:40:52 so what?? Oct 26 10:41:01 uninstall it, never use it Oct 26 10:41:07 lol Oct 26 10:41:13 tell others to avoid it Oct 26 10:41:21 ok but whatelse to use instead Oct 26 10:41:29 err, for what? Oct 26 10:41:30 DocScrutinizer05: is that the script that just kills a bunch of stuff, which eventually respawns anyway? Oct 26 10:41:38 yep Oct 26 10:41:45 ;-P Oct 26 10:41:51 oh I see... Oct 26 10:41:56 you right Oct 26 10:42:04 wow, that is prove of an incredible lack of understanding Oct 26 10:42:11 indeed Oct 26 10:42:12 proof* Oct 26 10:42:15 times it's imperfect Oct 26 10:42:33 just like crappatches Oct 26 10:42:45 ~optimizen900 Oct 26 10:42:45 from memory, optimizen900 is a killall script that hopes watchdog will restart all processes it nukes. It does not solve the fact you have installed leaky widgets, causing a slow device after ~3 days. Also see ~crappatch Oct 26 10:43:12 ~crappatch Oct 26 10:43:13 somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Oct 26 10:43:23 but what if not this what else app can do faster tasks Oct 26 10:44:20 N900 has a certain speed which is usually just fine unless you mess with crappatch, optimizen900, batterypatch and other shite Oct 26 10:44:57 why they still are in repos? Oct 26 10:45:13 there are a few ways to *really* improve speed of N900, the most sane and effective of them being freemangordon's awesome cssu-thunb Oct 26 10:45:36 zamn900: because we have no justification to remove crap from extras-devel Oct 26 10:45:47 lolz Oct 26 10:46:16 zamn900: basically anybody can put stuff in extras-devel Oct 26 10:46:16 as soon as such stuff tries to enter extras, it will get nuked with a loud BOOOM Oct 26 10:46:17 thumb or thunb? Oct 26 10:46:26 (source: i have done so, and i know nothing) Oct 26 10:46:31 thumb Oct 26 10:46:33 typo Oct 26 10:46:36 ok Oct 26 10:47:55 zamn900: that's why extras-devel come with a BIG FAT RED WARNING not to use it when you don't know exactly what you're doing Oct 26 10:48:22 alright Oct 26 10:49:15 that should be a highlighetd or wtf message cristlline and clear Oct 26 10:49:48 uh uh Oct 26 10:49:57 i get segfaults when i search with nano o_O Oct 26 10:50:19 yes Oct 26 10:50:31 glibc detected Oct 26 10:50:38 iirc there's a nano in sdk tools, and one in extras Oct 26 10:50:40 nano: double free or corruption (out): 0x00042220 Oct 26 10:50:42 <.< Oct 26 10:50:49 I forget what's wrong with extras one Oct 26 10:51:37 "nano-2.0.7 - Fixed release of nano 2.0.7-4, includes patch to resolve search crash. Optified." Oct 26 10:51:41 and search with "huge"! *face troll* XP Oct 26 10:52:42 zammy: it IS fat and highlighted Oct 26 10:52:49 ah ok Oct 26 10:53:38 oh shite... DocScrutinizer05 now I have just minimized xchat on n900... how to recover it Oct 26 10:53:52 your problem ;-P Oct 26 10:54:14 that's not funny Oct 26 10:54:30 indeed Oct 26 10:54:39 reboot? Oct 26 10:54:43 ~extras-devel Oct 26 10:54:43 well, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Oct 26 10:54:45 killall xchat Oct 26 10:55:45 zamn900: you left before I asked my question :( Oct 26 10:58:04 IMO when the rogue leaky extras widget(s) are found and removed from extras less people will look for ~optimizen900 and ~crappatch and ~kps Oct 26 11:00:35 ok Oct 26 11:04:09 sixwheeledbeast: is the leaking confirmed? Oct 26 11:04:18 Not saying KPS is crap BTW. People think my system is slow lets give it more "power" to hide the underlying issue I have NFC about. Oct 26 11:04:31 I thought a very common cause was swap fragmentation Oct 26 11:04:58 KPS? Oct 26 11:04:59 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373958&postcount=89 see very long bug report in post Oct 26 11:05:30 KPS = overclocking with kernel power settings Oct 26 11:06:37 swap frag is also an issue but generally h-h and h-d leaks in top are an issue with some widgetz Oct 26 11:08:50 yeah, widgets are dangerous, particularly since they run in H-H context, as subroutines Oct 26 11:09:38 anyway, see FMG's investigation on memleaks in stock applets/widgets/whatever like lockscreen and whatnot else Oct 26 11:09:45 fixed in CSSU afaik Oct 26 11:10:09 I never ran into it since I never use lockscreen Oct 26 11:10:11 it's not easy to diagnose the issue either as it maybe a combination of extras widgets and not one in isolation Oct 26 11:10:28 hardly Oct 26 11:10:56 widgets should have zero cross effects Oct 26 11:11:34 one widget does hardly get to know about any other widget active, afaik Oct 26 11:11:35 All I know is in my case "stop mce" fixed the h-h CPU spikes Oct 26 11:11:57 hmm Oct 26 11:12:08 which might be rotation-related Oct 26 11:12:40 I suspect something that controls LED like camera-lens0reminder for example Oct 26 11:12:48 OMG Oct 26 11:13:06 yeah, even fcam known to thoroughly messup fubar the indicator LED Oct 26 11:13:41 but some people like Woody report no issues with that app. Oct 26 11:14:09 if cam-lens-reminder is stupid enough to try messing with indicator LED directly, you are doomed to eventually encounter unpleasant effects Oct 26 11:14:28 it's a race and hard to reproduce reliably Oct 26 11:15:04 Hence my combination of apps cause the leak theory. Oct 26 11:15:14 fcam is notorious to occasionally mess up lp5523 that terribly hard that you have to remove battery to recover Oct 26 11:16:18 obviously mce isn't prepared to encounter other apps occupying the lp5523 sysnodes Oct 26 11:16:50 ~pkg Oct 26 11:16:50 i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 26 11:16:52 mmm Oct 26 11:17:19 particularly since configuring lp5523 is a multi-step process that msut not get interrupted Oct 26 11:17:44 Mr Hess is maintainer Oct 26 11:17:51 of fcam? Oct 26 11:18:16 cover-reminder Oct 26 11:18:18 aah Oct 26 11:18:53 grep for sysnodes *5523* Oct 26 11:19:16 grep 5523 Oct 26 11:19:21 hello all Oct 26 11:19:23 N900 got problem with touch screen. behaves mad. it is a software bug Oct 26 11:19:31 aha Oct 26 11:20:00 when you already know it's a sw bug, then what's the question? Oct 26 11:20:25 touch screen responds randomly.. whats the solution to this? Oct 26 11:20:38 solution: fix the bug Oct 26 11:20:46 after few hours its all ok by itself, tried rebooting. Oct 26 11:21:14 how can i get a error log for this? Oct 26 11:21:20 dunno Oct 26 11:21:43 look, I don't see this error, and I got a lot of sw installed Oct 26 11:21:47 let others reply.... someone please help. Oct 26 11:21:58 ~question Oct 26 11:21:59 hmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 26 11:24:48 OMG... let me be clear. running on cssu stable. N900 was working all fine, till last week. now the phone does not respond at times. i mean if i click menu, it just keep on changing screens, nothing is possible. cannot attend calls. i have to press multiple times to select answer. Oct 26 11:25:25 mhm Oct 26 11:25:34 i really dont know how to create a question for this. Oct 26 11:25:40 truly... Oct 26 11:25:46 now that sounds a tiny bit more like a report we could help with Oct 26 11:26:17 so you say the device randomy ignores clicks? Oct 26 11:26:42 aka it "freezes"? Oct 26 11:26:49 the phone is just MAD, at times... after few hours all is okay. how? it must be software na...LOL. .and the most funny thing is this is my only phone, and at the crucial times when i need to make a call it goes mad. Oct 26 11:27:06 it is not FREEZE Oct 26 11:27:45 sorry, the description of symptoms is still too fuzzy then Oct 26 11:28:14 it is taking clicks.... i have only 2 widgets in my desktop.. 1 notes .. 2 phone... if i tap phone, no response... if i tap menu, it just chnages and changes screens. Oct 26 11:28:30 o.O Oct 26 11:28:45 I suggest full reflash Oct 26 11:28:55 DocScrutinizer05: woops, soldered the wrong pins yesterday Oct 26 11:29:03 DocScrutinizer05: cover-reminder basically looks at "/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state" and calls MCE_ACTIVATE_LED_PATTERN if device is locked Oct 26 11:29:04 most of the time the desktop shows , as if i clicked option to change desktop or edit it. Oct 26 11:29:16 anyway i fixed that now, opened recorder app, pressed the button, but it doesnt do the action i specified in hsetctrl.py Oct 26 11:29:19 sixwheeledbeast: sounds sane Oct 26 11:29:29 :nod: Oct 26 11:29:41 bindi: I suggested to use OMP Oct 26 11:30:10 reflash? i really dont want to begin from 1st. please.. i taught myself these things after much trial... Oct 26 11:30:18 I'm not sure about recorder *really* activating the needed profile, and also somebody explained to me (pali?) that it works on CSSU only Oct 26 11:30:40