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Oct 29 07:51:28 <Apic> Good Morning (UGT).
Oct 29 08:33:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal broken
Oct 29 08:33:03 <infobot> "broken" is "mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/  or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you."
Oct 29 08:33:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo broken is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/known_broken_packages
Oct 29 08:33:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Oct 29 08:33:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~broken
Oct 29 08:33:33 <infobot> well, broken is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/known_broken_packages
Oct 29 08:35:28 <DocScrutinizer05> qwerty123 finally should ffiixx hhiiss kkeeyyss!! !! !! !!
Oct 29 08:36:36 <DocScrutinizer05> >>hav yu tried sumthing like thiss???<< OMG!
Oct 29 08:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: please check >>E: Package liblzo2-2 has no installation candidate<< issue as reported by Malinux in http://paste.ubuntu.com/6319570/ ^^^^
Oct 29 08:43:26 <DocScrutinizer05> bm not installable is inacceptable
Oct 29 10:01:52 <anYc> is it possible (with reasonable methods) to unmount /home? I have a fs error on mmcblk0p2.
Oct 29 10:02:09 <anYc> I can also boot nemo but it would be nice if it's possible from within maemo
Oct 29 10:09:38 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it is possible, BM is doing this - or almost this, it's simply not mounting /home since it's started in early bootup init process
Oct 29 10:10:08 <DocScrutinizer05> once maemo is completely started, it's virtually impossible to umount /home
Oct 29 10:10:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Oct 29 10:10:42 <infobot> from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Oct 29 10:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> get it, you'll wonder why you didn't already :-)
Oct 29 10:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I think there also might be a way to force a /home fsck during next boot, by placing some flag file somewhere (ala touch /fsck-home  <- this is not it)
Oct 29 10:22:19 <anYc> problem with backups is, they are always too old ;)
Oct 29 10:22:33 <anYc> but thanks :)
Oct 29 10:23:17 <anYc> I fscked it with nemo, lots of unused blocks. Let's see if he was able to fix it
Oct 29 10:23:34 <anYc> is this usually an indicator that the emmc is dying?
Oct 29 10:24:24 <anYc> I thought about moving maemo to the sdcard anyway as I read that new sdcard are usually faster than the internal emmc
Oct 29 10:39:41 <DocScrutinizer05> BM is not only about backups, it even has a fsck option
Oct 29 10:41:26 <DocScrutinizer05> eMMC has a 8bit interface, uSd has a 4bit interface. So unless it's about writing huge amounts of data, eMMC should be always faster than any uSD, no matter how fast the uSD may be
Oct 29 10:41:27 <anYc> ah okay, that's handy. I'll try it, thanks
Oct 29 10:42:27 <anYc> oh, hm. I read that here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900
Oct 29 10:42:43 <anYc> okay, they're saying "probably"
Oct 29 10:58:19 <ruskie> http://motorola-blog.blogspot.fr/2013/10/goodbye-sticky-hello-ara.html
Oct 29 14:47:14 <bindi> anyone link that tv-out feature nokia demoed making the tv into a touch screen using the phones camera?
Oct 29 14:47:48 <bindi> or did i dream about that? :P
Oct 29 15:00:52 <DocScrutinizer05> umm
Oct 29 15:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> that's not exactly easy to do
Oct 29 15:01:33 <DocScrutinizer05> so you probably dreamed it
Oct 29 15:02:58 <DocScrutinizer05> even with a clear unobstructed (by your body) LOS from cam to the screen it's not easy or not possible at all to actually tell apart touches from hoovering ofer the screen in 5 or 10cm distance
Oct 29 15:03:23 <DocScrutinizer05> when you look from the side of the screen you can tell a touch but you don't see where
Oct 29 15:03:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like a big hoax or one of your dreams to me
Oct 29 15:04:55 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ofer/over/
Oct 29 15:05:43 <r00t|home> what about that laser keyboard...
Oct 29 15:06:21 <DocScrutinizer05> that afaik worked with 2 cams and a lase projector - or even two
Oct 29 15:06:44 <DocScrutinizer05> there are touch screens working with 2 cams
Oct 29 15:06:53 <DocScrutinizer05> but not with one cam
Oct 29 15:07:16 <DocScrutinizer05> the 2 cams are mounted in two corners of screen
Oct 29 15:07:30 <DocScrutinizer05> usually upper right and upper left, I guess
Oct 29 15:08:00 <DocScrutinizer05> thus you can actually calculate position of finger on screen
Oct 29 15:08:23 <DocScrutinizer05> simple triangulation
Oct 29 15:09:57 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik the laser kbd works exactly same
Oct 29 15:10:42 <DocScrutinizer05> if it happens to work at all, I heard it's quite unreliable
Oct 29 15:15:28 <bindi> DocScrutinizer05: it was with n8, plug and touch
Oct 29 15:15:30 <r00t|home> it also has the advantage of a high contrast fixed image
Oct 29 15:15:34 <bindi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQle3y7YVQ
Oct 29 15:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> looks a bit like a hoax
Oct 29 15:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a Wii-type motion/gesture detection, but I don't see how they, even theoretically, detect touch events
Oct 29 15:17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess they're massively cheating in this video
Oct 29 15:18:55 <DocScrutinizer05> you eihter need a sensor in TV/LCD or attached to the human body that touches it, to detect a touch event
Oct 29 15:19:28 <DocScrutinizer05> no way a setup like visible in this video can do what they suggest it does
Oct 29 15:20:54 <DocScrutinizer05> you *theoretically* could detect the artifacts an LCD produces when you press it hard, to detect touch
Oct 29 15:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> contemporary LCD are rather immune to those effects though
Oct 29 15:21:40 <bindi> what's with stereo plugs being too big to fit phones
Oct 29 15:21:51 <DocScrutinizer05> eh?
Oct 29 15:21:56 <bindi> i resoldered two koss porta pro 3.5mm stereo plugs, turns out they're too big to fit note 2 / lumia 1020
Oct 29 15:21:59 <bindi> fits n900 / pc fine :p
Oct 29 15:22:06 <bindi> the tip is too big
Oct 29 15:22:12 <bindi> compared to a plug that fits
Oct 29 15:22:47 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Oct 29 15:23:15 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously noze2 has a nonstandard receptacle then. Maybe a 2.5mm?
Oct 29 15:23:24 <bindi> nope, 
Oct 29 15:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, what was your question?
Oct 29 15:24:26 <bindi> random blabbering
Oct 29 15:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> too thick or too long?
Oct 29 15:25:10 <bindi> thinck
Oct 29 15:25:12 <bindi> thick
Oct 29 15:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> there are known apple over-length 3.5mm plugs that tend to destroy standard device you force them in
Oct 29 15:26:28 <bindi> i bought it from http://www.vekoy.com/info_pages.php?pages_id=28
Oct 29 15:27:02 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
Oct 29 15:27:04 <bindi> http://www.vekoy.com/product_info.php?products_id=625
Oct 29 15:28:00 <mashina> i need new earbuds anyways - the one i was using that came with the N800 fell apart
Oct 29 15:28:41 <mashina> one of them was not putting, dangling our from the cover, and the foam didn't fit
Oct 29 15:28:54 <mashina> shame as they had good audio
Oct 29 15:29:18 <DocScrutinizer05> bindi: prolly cheap chinese crap that used standard 3.5mm plugs and goldplated them, forgetting about the additional diameter
Oct 29 15:29:24 <merlin1991> ich konnte auch nicht0,
Oct 29 15:29:36 <DocScrutinizer05> echan
Oct 29 15:29:42 <mashina> scheiss
Oct 29 15:30:54 <bindi> http://sdrv.ms/1ch28rX left one fits, right one doesn't
Oct 29 15:31:58 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: nah
Oct 29 15:32:00 <merlin1991> EWINDOW
Oct 29 15:32:26 * DocScrutinizer05 waves
Oct 29 15:32:39 <merlin1991> it's actually a combination of arrow up (message history) and random letters :D
Oct 29 17:35:26 <trx> how can i access SIM data?
Oct 29 17:35:54 <trx> i have a SIM card that had its contacts deleted by accident
Oct 29 17:36:10 <trx> i'm looking for a way to recover that data
Oct 29 17:59:10 <sixwheeledbeast> trx: USB SIM reader?
Oct 29 18:05:37 <trx> sixwheeledbeast i dont have one
Oct 29 18:05:57 <trx> i was hoping that n900 can emulate one :)
Oct 29 18:06:31 <trx> if i obtain one of those i could access it like any card right?
Oct 29 18:07:26 <sixwheeledbeast> I have seen them for PC's I expect them to have software to recover contacts etc.
Oct 29 18:12:15 <trx> i guess then i'll give it a try
Oct 29 19:36:36 <sixwheeledbeast> uh ..
Oct 29 19:36:39 <sixwheeledbeast> ~pkg
Oct 29 19:36:39 <infobot> well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
Oct 29 19:38:22 <sixwheeledbeast> yay, vagalume update
Oct 29 19:42:23 <ecc2g> odd, havent seen the certificate handling fix promoted (for the agps/SUPL server problem?)
Oct 29 20:03:38 <sixwheeledbeast> re certificates the Nokia SSU repo's have expired have they not? It seems a device my friend acquired on PR1.2 will not OTA update due to expired keys.
Oct 29 20:04:10 <sixwheeledbeast> ecc2g: do to mean in T8.3?
Oct 29 20:08:14 <ecc2g> err.. no..well maybe, dunno what package is what, but I'm using cssu-stable now...   Last I read on t.m.o the supl.nokia.com problem was due to inability to read the right certificate on the n900 and there was some fix?
Oct 29 20:12:09 <sixwheeledbeast> oh well no there hasn't been a CSSU-S update for a while. I'd expect it in the next one if no issues with it.
Oct 29 20:12:43 <sixwheeledbeast> I have it installed on my CSSU-S so it works fine :)
Oct 29 20:33:38 <Pali> change year back to 2010 and Nokia SSU repo will work :-)
Oct 29 20:38:03 <sixwheeledbeast> in the end I got root and apt-get for him so he can CSSU.
Oct 29 22:50:06 <Agge> I have an old N900 that I would like to be able to use again what should I do to get the most use from it? The device is fully funtional just havent been used in years.
Oct 29 22:50:58 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: update it and use it
Oct 29 22:51:19 <Agge> do nokia still make updates for it?
Oct 29 22:51:33 <sixwheeledbeast> community updates now.
Oct 29 22:51:44 <sixwheeledbeast> what bersion you have now?
Oct 29 22:51:51 <sixwheeledbeast> s/bersion/version/
Oct 29 22:51:51 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: what version you have now?
Oct 29 22:52:11 <Agge> probibly the last one that nokia pushed
Oct 29 22:53:15 <sixwheeledbeast> possibly not
Oct 29 22:53:56 <sixwheeledbeast> there have been security fixes in both Nokia and CSSU (community) updates
Oct 29 22:54:04 <sixwheeledbeast> ~getversion
Oct 29 22:54:04 <infobot> methinks getversion is input the following in a terminal "osso-product-info | grep OSSO_VERSION | cut -d "'" -f 2; dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}n' mp-fremantle-community-pr; uname -r"
Oct 29 22:54:48 <sixwheeledbeast> or Settings > About product 
Oct 29 22:54:53 <Agge> i should have found it and started it before I asked the question :( looks like the bathery is drained so it wont boot right away :( 
Oct 29 22:56:19 <sixwheeledbeast> ~flatbatrecover
Oct 29 22:56:20 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
Oct 29 22:57:57 <Agge> hm thanks geting the stedy amber now but it is conected to a computer for power not the original charger
Oct 29 22:59:14 <sixwheeledbeast> Best to use charge if possible, or it may take a while.
Oct 29 22:59:19 <sixwheeledbeast> charger
Oct 29 22:59:51 <Agge> ok. funny that the original charger from the N900 is still my main phone charger :)
Oct 29 23:00:37 <sixwheeledbeast> ~cssu
Oct 29 23:00:38 <infobot> cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Oct 29 23:00:57 <sixwheeledbeast> Reading while you wait :)
Oct 29 23:01:16 <Agge> thanks :)
Oct 29 23:04:41 <Agge> it begun to flash amber as fast as I conected it to the charger :)
Oct 29 23:05:36 <sixwheeledbeast> Nokia Hands?
Oct 29 23:06:02 <Agge> yeah
Oct 29 23:06:16 <Agge> booted now
Oct 29 23:07:20 <sixwheeledbeast> if you have not used in a while and there is nothing on there you need I would reflash to clean any buggy software etc.
Oct 29 23:07:25 <sixwheeledbeast> ~flashing
Oct 29 23:07:26 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 29 23:08:42 <sixwheeledbeast> When flashed with >PR1.3 you can install community update from ~cssu
Oct 29 23:10:52 <Agge> that sounds good might be some old sms that I would like to keep is it any good way to do that?
Oct 29 23:11:43 <sixwheeledbeast> default backup applcation can store SMS and contacts to SD
Oct 29 23:12:42 <Agge> aha Thanks
Oct 29 23:13:28 <Agge> remembered how I did to imput a "|" in the terminal :)
Oct 29 23:15:02 <sixwheeledbeast> Some widgets can be known to slow down the device. so best to start a fresh and only install what you need after reflash+CSSU. 
Oct 29 23:15:32 <Agge> yeah last time I tried to use it it was realy slow
Oct 29 23:15:47 <sixwheeledbeast> There are multiple reasons for this...
Oct 29 23:17:30 <sixwheeledbeast> Unconfirmed leaky widgets, crappatches, devices memory bottleneck.
Oct 29 23:17:59 <sixwheeledbeast> One and two are simple don't install them
Oct 29 23:18:53 <sixwheeledbeast> the latter can be solved by CSSU-Thumb or/and putting swap on uSD.
Oct 29 23:27:15 <Agge> the about product say that the version is 21.2011.38-1
Oct 29 23:28:35 <Agge> the command complained about dpkg-query not existing
Oct 29 23:28:38 <sixwheeledbeast> So that's the latest Nokia aka PR1.3.1
Oct 29 23:29:32 <sixwheeledbeast> that's correct, that part of the command is CSSU only
Oct 29 23:49:04 <Agge> thank sixwheeledbeast now I know whare to start. I will let i charge over night and begin the new install tomorrow :)
Oct 29 23:50:31 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: that is best :) CSSU install will abort if not fully charged. any questions you know where to ask.
Oct 29 23:50:57 <Agge> thanks
Oct 30 01:24:26 <qwerty123>   hey anyone having any issues with facebook??
Oct 30 01:24:51 <qwerty123> My fbcmd stopped working and so did my qutim !!
Oct 30 01:27:00 <qwerty123> ~Gmt
Oct 30 01:27:01 <infobot> Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/.  Greenwich Mean Time
Oct 30 01:27:24 <qwerty123> ~time
Oct 30 01:27:25 <infobot> 2013.10.30  1:27:25 GMT
Oct 30 01:27:46 <qwerty123> Great!! Nite there fellas!!
Oct 30 01:31:11 <qwerty123>  and even netsurf is saying - some ssl facebook error or recv error connecion reset by peer!!
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