**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 06 02:59:58 2013 Nov 06 03:03:41 anybody tries the latest upstream kernels? Nov 06 06:22:26 felipec: ask Pali and freemangordon Nov 06 06:45:50 kerio: I found this http://musicnaut.iki.fi/musicnaut/comp/linux/v3.10/arm-testresults.html Nov 06 10:54:40 hi, how do I import sms from sim card? Nov 06 10:58:25 I don't know if there's a reasonable feasible method at all for this Nov 06 11:00:42 hmm ok Nov 06 11:01:09 particularly since nowadays it's mostly useless feature, no device stores SMS on SIM anymore. Not even my year2000 nokia 6210 did this, it distributed them arbitrarily between SIM and device storage, with a max of 15orso SMS on the SIM - then the storage of a standard SIM is used up Nov 06 11:01:33 DocScrutinizer05: my old phone does Nov 06 11:01:38 Nokia 101 Nov 06 11:01:52 more like a hundred of them Nov 06 11:02:10 yes, those old phones which have a "SMS storage full" alert as well, those actually do this Nov 06 11:02:22 My Siemens C25 did Nov 06 11:02:29 right they did Nov 06 11:02:40 except it works again after deleting old messages Nov 06 11:02:46 yes Nov 06 11:02:51 now I want to import existing messages Nov 06 11:03:05 you shouldn't try to do this via SIM Nov 06 11:03:29 hmm how else do you do it? it is a dumb phone Nov 06 11:03:39 it's basically as futile as trying to export rich contacts via SIM phonebook Nov 06 11:03:53 hmm Nov 06 11:03:56 "Please search before ceating a new post- this has been covered extensivly. not possible now but it is being activly worked on. in future updates to sync and pc suite." Nov 06 11:04:02 looks like Nokia says no Nov 06 11:04:07 oh well Nov 06 11:04:14 at least the old messages are still in there Nov 06 11:04:14 you can read out SIM card with arbitrary cardreaders Nov 06 11:04:41 contacts transfered fine though Nov 06 11:04:54 I don't mind manually deleting a few dupes Nov 06 11:05:39 you can *try* to access SIM via pnatd and standard AT command set Nov 06 11:05:59 but I think BB5 doesn't support much of SIM storage access Nov 06 11:06:18 pnatd? Nov 06 11:06:22 or maybe pnatd doesn't know how to support it Nov 06 11:06:26 a command Nov 06 11:06:36 shell command Nov 06 11:06:41 ok, will look it up Nov 06 11:06:52 you also need to learn about AT cmd set Nov 06 11:07:09 I need a semi-smart phone to read the SMS to the nokia PC suite, maybe Nov 06 11:07:19 and then dump it back to the n900 Nov 06 11:07:26 http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/100900_100999/100916/07.08.00_60/ts_100916v070800p.pdf Nov 06 11:08:01 also see gnokii and kandy Nov 06 11:08:20 ok, thanks Nov 06 11:09:02 which package contains pnatd? Nov 06 11:09:08 or does it come ootb? Nov 06 11:10:00 http://linuxappfinder.com/package/kandy http://gnokii.org/ Nov 06 11:10:10 pnatd comes OOTB Nov 06 11:10:15 ok Nov 06 11:10:29 you need to close shell to stop it, or kill it from second shell Nov 06 11:10:51 once started it talks to the modem and can't get stopped by ^C etc Nov 06 11:11:06 just press the X in the corner, got it Nov 06 11:12:07 DocScrutinizer05: also, sms delivery report, does the service provider charge? Nov 06 11:12:29 usually not Nov 06 11:12:40 afaik, Nov 06 11:12:48 depends on service provider? Nov 06 11:12:53 prolly Nov 06 11:12:56 ok Nov 06 11:13:10 I can't share info I don't have ;-) Nov 06 11:13:28 *my* delivery reports are free of charge Nov 06 11:13:39 YMMV Nov 06 11:14:05 any package maintainers out there have any thoughts around adding paths to $PATH when a package is installed Nov 06 11:14:12 I'm not aware of any global regulation saying "delivery report MUST be free of charge" Nov 06 11:14:40 joshgillies: usually a pretty bad idea Nov 06 11:14:48 I thought as much Nov 06 11:14:57 add your app (or a symlink) to the standard path Nov 06 11:15:30 that's what I'm doing currently (symlink) Nov 06 11:15:40 optification frequently does exactly this Nov 06 11:16:21 however, as I'm packaging a development tool that ships its own package manager, the issue I'm running into is when global modules installed they aren't in the path Nov 06 11:16:22 well, then you're already done with it Nov 06 11:16:29 Delivery report charges: definitely depend on provider. I've been somewhere where they charged Nov 06 11:17:01 joshgillies: modules? Nov 06 11:17:09 But that was only one country out of quite a few :) Nov 06 11:17:56 delivery reports usually fail epically when roaming Nov 06 11:18:04 exactly, so I'm pacaking the latest Nodejs and with it you can install node applications globally via npm Nov 06 11:18:23 these global apps/modules are installed by default to /opt/nodejs/bin Nov 06 11:18:27 never heard of any of those Nov 06 11:18:30 DocScrutinizer05: I finally switched back to my n900 Nov 06 11:18:41 because sim card full of sms :( Nov 06 11:18:50 well, n900 don't seem to have a limit Nov 06 11:18:57 *practical limit Nov 06 11:19:12 So I'm looking for some advise as to how to manage this moving forward Nov 06 11:19:13 hmm? Nov 06 11:20:02 also, how do I best protect my n900 until I can get some cover for it? Nov 06 11:20:12 and as with the previous question all I can think of is the hack via adding /opt/nodejs/bin to the path Nov 06 11:20:15 PATH* Nov 06 11:20:30 does ESD bag in pocket work? :) Nov 06 11:20:47 /opt/nodejs/bin sounds like a app specific location to store binaries, and each such binary needs a symlink when user is supposed to call it directly. When it's only your app using them in a library-alike way, you should use absolute path aka FQN in your code, to invole them Nov 06 11:22:17 I was wondering whether the Ruby guys had solved this, given that npm is to node what gems are to Ruby Nov 06 11:22:18 or will any thick enough pouch protect the screen? Nov 06 11:22:20 joshgillies: another usual way is: the main app uses own binary's path to search it for any libs or modules Nov 06 11:23:16 hrmm interesting... Nov 06 11:24:32 so if your main app is in /opt/nodjsFOOBAR/bin/MAIN, then it uses dirname( /opt/nodjsFOOBAR/bin/MAIN ) to search for modules Nov 06 11:24:50 I've just had a thought, possibly around rolling a helper npm that I place into /usr/bin, that basically passes the usual `npm install module` syntax but appends it with --prefix which from what I can see in the docs tells npm where to place the binaries Nov 06 11:25:32 never heard about npm Nov 06 11:25:41 sounds icky Nov 06 11:25:47 yeah sorry if I'm speaking in tongues over here :) Nov 06 11:25:53 crazy Javascript developers Nov 06 11:25:59 another package manager of sorts Nov 06 11:26:09 javascript guys are full of crazy Nov 06 11:26:20 silar to pip for python or gems for ruby Nov 06 11:26:26 they wrote an x86 emulater in javascript Nov 06 11:26:27 similar* Nov 06 11:26:37 * DocScrutinizer05 facepalms Nov 06 11:26:53 Now now gentlemen :) Nov 06 11:27:59 anyway some good input from DocScrutinizer05 which I'll take away and mill over for a bit Nov 06 11:29:30 so any advice for protecting the n900 screen in the pocket? Nov 06 11:29:53 the nokia support guys changed out my screen and removed the screen protector Nov 06 11:39:53 screen protector, duh. Nov 06 11:43:07 jon_y:do not put other things in the pocket with it... my screen has microscratches from the stylus only and I never used a screenprotextor ever Nov 06 11:43:36 zagg invisible shield. Nov 06 11:43:53 It is a bit expensive (9euro) but in my opinion the best. Nov 06 11:44:17 I have had mine on for over a year and it looks as good as new. No peeling at the edges etc. Nov 06 11:44:21 viquiti is my favourite Nov 06 11:44:43 I used to use the vikuiti ones but they peel up at the edges after a couple of months. Nov 06 11:45:04 They do offer a good range though. Nov 06 11:49:02 just another thought relating to the above, I could package a helper script that sets up the appropriate environment in a subshell and leave it at that Nov 06 11:49:05 thoughts? Nov 06 11:49:28 so the user has to opt in when they want to interact with node/npm Nov 06 11:49:35 Just make sure you have a script to undo whatever you do. Nov 06 11:49:36 and when the leave it's cleared up Nov 06 11:50:03 if it's just a child process that should happen when the process is terminated right? Nov 06 11:54:36 ShadowJK: I doubt I can find one for the n900 these days Nov 06 11:55:19 DocScrutinizer05: is swappolube proposed good enough? Nov 06 11:55:32 yes Nov 06 11:55:38 jon_y: y Nov 06 11:56:14 thanks Nov 06 12:00:27 I recently seen this one on a device and liked it so much that I ordered another 3 packages: http://www.ebay.es/itm/181091251333?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3206wt_1132 Nov 06 12:01:01 I tried the matte ones, they make the screen look like shit in my opinion. Nov 06 12:13:20 vi__: I suspect, you use the only-screen variant of the Zagg foil? Nov 06 12:59:27 yes. Nov 06 13:18:19 can I put the n900 in no-charging mode when it is for example a usb hotspot? Nov 06 13:18:29 I would like to save my laptop battery ;-) Nov 06 13:29:10 Hey guys, I've a question about Harmattan, is that the right place to ask despite the chan's name? Nov 06 13:29:20 #harmattan Nov 06 13:29:32 Oh alright, I thought the chan was for whole TMO Nov 06 13:29:34 Wizzup_: the simplest way is just to do 'stop bme' Nov 06 13:36:12 SpeedEvil: ok Nov 06 13:56:09 Wizzup_: stop charging when hooked to PC? easy: stop bme Nov 06 13:56:56 Wizzup_: though honestly, I'd rather try to save my N900 battery that that laptop monster battery Nov 06 13:57:16 s/that/than/ Nov 06 13:57:16 DocScrutinizer05 meant: Wizzup_: though honestly, I'd rather try to save my N900 battery than that laptop monster battery Nov 06 13:57:39 ooh, SpeedEvil beat me on it Nov 06 13:58:35 DocScrutinizer05, SpeedEvil Thank you Nov 06 13:58:42 DocScrutinizer05: well, I have three spare n900 batteries Nov 06 13:58:55 this chromebook battery lasts about 12 hours, but only 6 with n900 attached Nov 06 13:59:02 and I cannot replace the chromebook battery Nov 06 13:59:02 well, THEN.... :-P Nov 06 13:59:02 ;-) Nov 06 14:00:30 I however wonder if that reduction to 50% uptime is due to the charging or rather due to book-CPU constantly at C0 to serve USB Nov 06 14:03:14 C0? Nov 06 14:03:19 this is the samsung ARM chromebook btw Nov 06 14:03:40 (which I can really recommend as a cheap but awesome netbook) Nov 06 14:09:59 I guess C0 is a cpu sleep state Nov 06 16:56:01 lastlog sono Nov 06 16:56:06 grmpg Nov 06 16:56:15 i need a marker script Nov 06 17:30:24 http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-microsoft-narrows-ceo-shortlist-mulally-elop-cut-001155305--finance.html Nov 06 17:30:30 Elop! Elop! Elop! Nov 06 18:39:07 would you look at this Nov 06 18:44:22 don't invoke the elop so lightly Nov 06 19:32:11 sigh.. one more. brb. :P Nov 06 19:40:32 Well, that worked better than I expected. :) Nov 06 20:23:07 err, realy? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 07 02:59:58 2013