**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 09 02:59:58 2013
Nov 09 07:16:06 <jon_y> mfw Nokia stores not stocking Nokia BL-5Js
Nov 09 07:16:21 <jon_y> had none :(
Nov 09 07:38:32 <sixwheeledbeast^> why would they need to stock batteries any more? People tend to replace there phone within 24 months. It therefore seems most phone batteries are sealed in now.
Nov 09 07:39:06 <jon_y> sixwheeledbeast^: I don't know, I expect Nokia stores to have Nokia products
Nov 09 07:39:12 <jon_y> they still sell 3310s
Nov 09 07:39:32 <jon_y> oh, they sell Samsung phones too :)
Nov 09 07:39:50 <jon_y> except you can't miss the giant NOKIA banner on top
Nov 09 07:40:14 <sixwheeledbeast^> I expect Nokia stores to stock Windoze products only from now on.
Nov 09 07:41:50 <sixwheeledbeast^> /me is happy with his Polarcell anyway.
Nov 09 07:43:08 <jon_y> I think my current battery is the old 1200mAh model
Nov 09 07:43:15 <jon_y> got it in 2010
Nov 09 08:25:17 * kerio is happy with his nameless orange battery
Nov 09 09:42:24 <nokiabot> he he he
Nov 09 09:45:04 * nokiabot slaps DocScrutinizer05 around a bit with a large trout
Nov 09 09:45:33 <nokiabot> oh no 
Nov 09 09:46:47 <nokiabot> is any one here
Nov 09 09:48:08 <freemangordon> who do you need?
Nov 09 09:48:22 <freemangordon> and what for?
Nov 09 09:48:42 <nokiabot> humm
Nov 09 09:49:02 <nokiabot> i thought nobody is here
Nov 09 09:49:29 <nokiabot> ho do i know that people are online
Nov 09 09:49:45 <freemangordon> no way
Nov 09 09:49:57 <nokiabot> what ???
Nov 09 09:52:03 <nokiabot> i found a option (names) that has many names so are they all online ?
Nov 09 09:52:53 <nokiabot> 266 people in this channel ... Omg
Nov 09 09:55:26 <nokiabot> ??
Nov 09 10:12:59 <wnd> there may be 266 on the channel, but it doesn't mean that they
Nov 09 10:13:07 <wnd> that they're online in person
Nov 09 10:42:51 <sixwheeledbeast^> nokiabot: you may not get an instant reply from people
Nov 09 10:43:48 <sixwheeledbeast^> they can't be here all the time, nothing would get done. :) 
Nov 09 10:49:22 <sixwheeledbeast^> If you address/highlight a person you may get an away auto-message.
Nov 09 11:33:49 <DocScrutinizer05> eeew yeah those annoying auto-away messages. Most users never again deactivate them, which makes queries a real PITA
Nov 09 13:25:07 <zamn900> hey I did not write the right pin code for the third time... cool seems n900 does not forget every past time I wrote the wrong one
Nov 09 13:25:48 <zamn900> so... now how can I restore now my sim without remembering where I stored the f puk?
Nov 09 13:26:46 <Hurrian> zamn900: it's the SIM card that locks up into PUK request mode, not the N900
Nov 09 13:27:02 <Hurrian> you'll need to ask your carrier for the PUK
Nov 09 13:27:15 <zamn900> uff
Nov 09 13:34:40 <zamn900> solved
Nov 09 13:45:12 <nokiabot> whooa
Nov 09 13:54:47 <zamn900> ~applock
Nov 09 13:55:37 <zamn900> what's wrong with applock?
Nov 09 13:56:15 <zamn900> and I still
Nov 09 13:56:29 <zamn900> don't get how to use catorise
Nov 09 13:59:48 <nokiabot> you getting segfaults ?
Nov 09 14:01:51 <zamn900> nope
Nov 09 14:02:01 <zamn900> I dont see its menu
Nov 09 14:02:16 <nokiabot> install cartorise plus gui from extras or extras testing repo
Nov 09 14:03:33 <nokiabot> .
Nov 09 14:12:24 <zamn900> ok and now?
Nov 09 14:14:19 <zamn900> what should happen? the catorise plus implicated the previous catorise removing
Nov 09 14:14:31 <zamn900> anyway now?
Nov 09 14:16:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I never thought catorise a great thing.  I discarded it instantly and replaced it by ApMeFo happily
Nov 09 14:16:52 <nokiabot> what have you installd now in clear words please ? 
Nov 09 14:17:35 <zamn900> catorise plus
Nov 09 14:17:54 <zamn900> it removed the catorise and catorise gui
Nov 09 14:17:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ApMeFo, while not exactly user friendly to _configure_, at least *has* all the configurability I want
Nov 09 14:18:17 <zamn900> I'll see it doc
Nov 09 14:18:19 <zamn900> thxs
Nov 09 14:18:46 <DocScrutinizer05> whule catorise came from a very stupid approach to duplicate the categories as fund in HAM
Nov 09 14:18:54 <DocScrutinizer05> while*
Nov 09 14:19:15 <zamn900> so I think
Nov 09 14:19:34 <nokiabot> Just install cartorise plus gui without removing anything or remove it then install cartorise plus gui it will automaticaly install cartorise
Nov 09 14:19:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I want to sort the apps the way *I* like to see them, not like they are sorted in HAM where I also always have to revert to "all" since otherwise I never find what I'm looking for
Nov 09 14:20:30 <zamn900> nokiabot I installed all catorise but catorise plus installation removes the other catorise
Nov 09 14:20:35 <nokiabot> @doc let him try cartorise first
Nov 09 14:21:02 <zamn900> if is possible I would taste catorise
Nov 09 14:21:22 <DocScrutinizer05> only downside of ApMeFo (and probably catorise all the same): do NOT move any ison in applauncher EVER. HD doesn't know about any of those catorise/ApMeFo and thus ruins your setup
Nov 09 14:21:36 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ison/icon/
Nov 09 14:21:36 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: only downside of ApMeFo (and probably catorise all the same): do NOT move any icon in applauncher EVER. HD doesn't know about any of those catorise/ApMeFo and thus ruins your setup
Nov 09 14:21:52 <nokiabot> remove all cartorise then go to ham and install cartorise plus gui it will do the job
Nov 09 14:21:59 <zamn900> anyway nokiabot I have installed it but there is no clue
Nov 09 14:22:00 <DocScrutinizer05> why?
Nov 09 14:22:14 <zamn900> I'll try
Nov 09 14:22:39 <zamn900> anyway DocScrutinizer05 something worng with FAM
Nov 09 14:22:45 <infobot> The Doctor is `OUT´
Nov 09 14:22:56 <sono> haha
Nov 09 14:22:57 <zamn900> it says all the times check the log for errors
Nov 09 14:23:05 <nokiabot> yeah because you dont have the gui (graphical user interface) 
Nov 09 14:23:43 <zamn900> nokiabot, i am not talking about catorise
Nov 09 14:23:50 <nokiabot> humm you might have messed the repos
Nov 09 14:23:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fapman
Nov 09 14:23:51 <infobot> hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated
Nov 09 14:24:22 <zamn900> I tried clean900 but does not fix
Nov 09 14:24:31 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Nov 09 14:24:49 * DocScrutinizer05 suggests registry-optimizer
Nov 09 14:24:51 <zamn900> neither HAM installation and uninstallation works to fix catalogs stuff
Nov 09 14:24:56 <zamn900> ok
Nov 09 14:25:01 <zamn900> thx
Nov 09 14:26:09 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.winzip.com/registry-optimizer.html
Nov 09 14:26:18 <zamn900> lol
Nov 09 14:26:36 <zamn900> are you kidding?
Nov 09 14:26:43 <nokiabot> epic
Nov 09 14:27:05 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Is registry optimizer a virus? - Security - Windows 7 - Tom's Hardware<<  www.tomshardware.com/forum/46474-63-registry-optimizer-virus
Nov 09 14:27:34 <zamn900> haha -.-
Nov 09 14:27:52 <sono> did i tell you guys about my amazing new systemd optimizer? just $19.99
Nov 09 14:28:07 <zamn900> wow
Nov 09 14:28:37 <DocScrutinizer05> every 6 months I get a call of some friend: "I installed and run ACME registry optimizer and now bad things happen! can you please help?"
Nov 09 14:29:09 <DocScrutinizer05> also see
Nov 09 14:29:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~crappatch
Nov 09 14:29:15 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]
Nov 09 14:29:19 <zamn900> 6 month is the seed stuff
Nov 09 14:29:40 <zamn900> crap to seed
Nov 09 14:29:57 <nokiabot> i also get calls like sith happend i pressed nex next next and it dosent boot next time
Nov 09 14:30:15 <zamn900> kool
Nov 09 14:30:53 <DocScrutinizer05> so sorry when I felt like quoting all this when I hear [2013-11-09 15:24:22] <zamn900> I tried clean900 but does not fix
Nov 09 14:31:16 <nokiabot> twmorow gonna fix a win7 lappy that is crazy
Nov 09 14:32:17 <zamn900> but so what I suppose to say... what I did not? or I did not try anything... I depend on your help
Nov 09 14:32:47 <nokiabot> depend ?
Nov 09 14:33:10 <zamn900> that sucks... I mean I am on linux OS since I was 12
Nov 09 14:34:27 <zamn900> I know there is no registry optimizer but if you never kid... I suppose you are right helping
Nov 09 14:34:52 <zamn900> this is disappointing treatment
Nov 09 14:35:11 <zamn900> such I must be helped by you lonely
Nov 09 14:36:13 <zamn900> anyway I must repeat nokiabot the catorise are conflicting
Nov 09 14:36:29 <zamn900> and I have installed catorise plus
Nov 09 14:36:44 <zamn900> but this is disappointing too
Nov 09 14:41:42 <jon_y> zamn900: there are registry optimizers, just that it is not doing what you think it is doing
Nov 09 14:42:01 <jon_y> those that work mostly do boot time defrag and remove start up programs
Nov 09 14:42:23 <zamn900> but not on linux or maemo
Nov 09 14:42:31 <jon_y> any bugger claim is stepping into the realm of crapware
Nov 09 14:42:33 <jon_y> true
Nov 09 14:42:38 <jon_y> this is a windows thing
Nov 09 14:51:51 <DocScrutinizer05> zamn900: forget catorise, install ApMeFo
Nov 09 14:52:14 <zamn900> I done indeed
Nov 09 14:53:36 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: what is ApMeFo?
Nov 09 14:53:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pkg
Nov 09 14:53:52 <infobot> from memory, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
Nov 09 14:54:20 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: I mean how is it different from catorise?
Nov 09 14:54:59 <DocScrutinizer05> >>ApMeFo allows the applications menu to be put into a series of folders. Order inside of folder can be sorted by user. One application can be put info few folders.<<
Nov 09 14:55:49 <jon_y> does it follow HAM categories by default?
Nov 09 15:05:39 <zammy> DocScrutinizer05, now I enabled CSSU and CSSU thumb repo
Nov 09 15:05:44 <zammy> is that fine'
Nov 09 15:05:56 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Nov 09 15:06:38 <zammy> ... I have just rebooted the phone after an update of all that... 40mb... of updates
Nov 09 15:06:48 <DocScrutinizer05> you shouldn't mess with repo settings unless you know what you're doing
Nov 09 15:07:12 <zammy> omg does not boot anymore... XD
Nov 09 15:07:28 <Herbstbert> o.O
Nov 09 15:07:43 <Herbstbert> That's what DocScrutinizer05 wanted to say...
Nov 09 15:07:56 <DocScrutinizer05> when you ran an update with CSSU repo enabled but you had not installed CSSU according to the very fine instruction on ~CSSU then you already fux0red your system
Nov 09 15:08:38 <zammy> I started the image below in multiboot... I never booted that... 
Nov 09 15:08:40 * DocScrutinizer05 kinda feels abused for 0th level helpdesk
Nov 09 15:09:16 <zammy> it booted and says operating system updated
Nov 09 15:09:31 <DocScrutinizer05> WHY DO WE CARE?
Nov 09 15:09:35 <sono> well you're always the first the respond, and you never stop trying
Nov 09 15:09:45 <sono> until you go into full out rant mode
Nov 09 15:09:54 <zammy> that's the truth... I quote sono
Nov 09 15:09:59 <sono> what
Nov 09 15:10:03 <sono> oh god just nevermind
Nov 09 15:10:05 <zammy> you care always
Nov 09 15:10:14 <zammy> and now you complain about that
Nov 09 15:10:20 <zammy> hit your self
Nov 09 15:12:42 <zammy> XD
Nov 09 15:12:56 <zammy> com on don't hit so hard
Nov 09 15:13:19 <jon_y> I need a new n900
Nov 09 15:13:31 <jon_y> zammy: give yours over, you are not worthy :)
Nov 09 16:44:09 <mashina_> damn it, why won't autogen work in the SDK?
Nov 09 16:46:35 <mashina_> it's failing horribly :/
Nov 09 16:50:42 <sono> not so many details, please..
Nov 09 16:51:28 <sono> then again, autogen either works as best as it ever did, or fails horribly for indeterminate reasons, at least that's how i know it best...
Nov 09 16:51:36 <sono> so i guess the description was adequate
Nov 09 16:52:37 <mashina_> it can't find install-sh
Nov 09 17:14:35 <zammy> DocScrutinizer51, http://paste2.org/xmWOxeyO
Nov 09 17:35:09 <zammy> that solved DocScrutinizer51 now → http://paste2.org/fcvW1fzp
Nov 09 17:35:50 <zammy> Pali, how to solve GPG keyexpired stuff on repos?
Nov 09 17:36:00 <zammy> I saw you talk on forum
Nov 09 17:36:08 <zammy> but... I don't get...
Nov 09 17:36:11 <Pali> zammy: change date back to year 2010
Nov 09 17:36:20 <Pali> there is no other solution
Nov 09 17:36:27 <zammy> ok
Nov 09 17:37:12 <freemangordon> Pali: maybe it is time to check if we can "hack" that with fmrx package
Nov 09 17:37:31 <Pali> freemangordon: why?
Nov 09 17:37:41 <Pali> and what to do?
Nov 09 17:37:44 <freemangordon> to change the expired keys?
Nov 09 17:37:45 <zammy> that 2010 works
Nov 09 17:38:00 <freemangordon> Pali: or policies, or whatever
Nov 09 17:38:07 <Pali> freemangordon: and how you want to change expired key on nokia server?
Nov 09 17:38:17 <zammy> ~flash
Nov 09 17:38:18 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 09 17:38:28 <zammy> latest one which is?
Nov 09 17:38:30 <zammy> I need it
Nov 09 17:38:48 <freemangordon> Pali: we can't change the keys, but can add a key
Nov 09 17:39:08 <freemangordon> or change the apt policy
Nov 09 17:39:26 <freemangordon> add higher prio repo, something like that
Nov 09 17:40:29 <Pali> freemangordon: ah, did you forget where is problem?
Nov 09 17:40:37 <Pali> problem is on nokia's server
Nov 09 17:40:40 <freemangordon> could be :)
Nov 09 17:40:45 <freemangordon> yes, I know
Nov 09 17:40:53 <Pali> and this cannot be fixed without access to server
Nov 09 17:41:09 <Pali> solution is to move downloads.maemo.nokia.com to r.m.o
Nov 09 17:41:19 <Pali> and then resign repo with new key...
Nov 09 17:41:34 <freemangordon> but we can workaround it if we can access the devices, and (maybe) fmrx package provides the tool 
Nov 09 17:41:59 <Pali> freemangordon: and what to workaround?
Nov 09 17:42:29 <freemangordon> that won;t work (re-signing) if we don't increase that new repo priority over nokia's
Nov 09 17:42:54 <freemangordon> afaik
Nov 09 17:43:10 <Pali> resign + change repo in HAM catalogue
Nov 09 17:43:18 <Pali> both must be done
Nov 09 17:43:19 <freemangordon> exactly
Nov 09 17:43:34 <freemangordon> and we can use fmtx package for that purpose
Nov 09 17:43:40 <Pali> and resign means to clone downloads.maemo server to r.m.o
Nov 09 17:43:46 <freemangordon> or at least we can try to use it
Nov 09 17:43:51 <Pali> ok
Nov 09 17:44:02 <freemangordon> thus my point :)
Nov 09 17:44:19 <Pali> but first new clonned repo (with new signatures) needs to be created
Nov 09 17:44:31 <Pali> without that nothing is possible
Nov 09 17:44:50 <freemangordon> no, first we should check if fmtx update will appear if we increase the version
Nov 09 17:45:34 <freemangordon> if there is no new update and manual user intervention is required to install new repo+key cloning is pointless
Nov 09 17:45:47 <freemangordon> as "2010" method is way simpler
Nov 09 17:45:59 <freemangordon> IMO
Nov 09 17:46:12 <zammy> so... what's the suggestion?
Nov 09 17:46:31 <freemangordon> zammy: hmm? 
Nov 09 17:47:30 <freemangordon> Pali: hmm, maybe merlin1991's devel-light repo can be used
Nov 09 17:48:02 <freemangordon> hmm, no, extras-devel should be ok
Nov 09 17:51:24 <Pali> or 3rd solution: find bug in HAM :D
Nov 09 17:51:32 <freemangordon> Pali: going to push n900-fmrx-enabler with only the version increased in extras-devel, lets see what will happen
Nov 09 17:51:47 <Pali> ok
Nov 09 18:01:59 <freemangordon> weird:
Nov 09 18:02:02 <freemangordon> [2013-11-09 17:56:09] ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package n900-fmrx-enabler provides binary package n900-fmrx-enabler which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented. No entry for terminal type "unknown";
Nov 09 18:02:02 <freemangordon> using dumb terminal settings.
Nov 09 18:02:26 <freemangordon> Pali: but it was built
Nov 09 18:12:09 <freemangordon> Pali: yep, there is "n900-fmrx-enabler" update :D
Nov 09 18:12:54 <freemangordon> Pali: DocScrutinizer05: so, we have access to most of the devices ;)
Nov 09 20:47:24 <zemmy> ~pkg
Nov 09 20:47:25 <infobot> somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/
Nov 09 20:57:40 <DocScrutinizer05> 7opm
Nov 09 20:59:01 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry fro the noise, I just recalled why idoru got banned first instance
Nov 09 21:00:21 <DocScrutinizer05> this info must have gotten swapped out to tape archive, given it took 10min to access it ;-)
Nov 09 21:31:39 <Anjel> WÖÖÖÖEEEEE
Nov 09 21:35:18 <Herbstbert> Wtf? ^^
Nov 09 21:41:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sucker
Nov 09 21:41:39 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-11-09 22:41:23] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on Anjel (account Anjel):
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Nov 09 21:45:51 <Herbstbert> Whatever...
Nov 09 21:50:51 <Jasiro> hey, i would like to know what the dot above the normal wlan symbol wants me to say.. u know? were all available wlans are listed, one has an extra dot on top :) thx in advance
Nov 09 21:59:59 <DocScrutinizer05> that peer mode, forgot the name
Nov 09 22:00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> not_infrastructure
Nov 09 22:00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> no AP
Nov 09 22:00:48 <DocScrutinizer05> AD-HOC
Nov 09 22:01:07 <DocScrutinizer05> wonder what's with my wetware storage today
Nov 09 22:06:08 <Jasiro> so why the fuck does my router start to provide ad hoc... wlan stoped working for my n900 today
Nov 09 22:23:47 <Jasiro_> now i fixed that weird adhoc thing, by changing the router. Ubuntu laptop know can connect my n900 still doesnt, is there any knowen issu?
Nov 09 22:24:24 <Jasiro_> or way to get mor information in fact the pre-shared-key is correct
Nov 09 22:38:10 <DocScrutinizer05> just delete the connection on N900 and pair again
Nov 09 22:40:07 <DocScrutinizer05> make sure your router didn't get rooted - see recent D-Link and ddwrt vulnerabilities
Nov 09 22:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> DIR-100 (Revision A), DI-524, DI-524/DE, DI-524UP.  DI-604S, DI-604UP, DIR-604+, TM-G5240.
Nov 09 22:44:40 <DocScrutinizer05> http://more.dlink.de/sicherheit/news.html#news7
Nov 09 23:03:07 <AndrewX192> anyone had issues with wireless where unloading and loading the kernel module doesn't fix the problem, but going into offline/online mode does?
Nov 10 01:38:07 <Sysaxed> how can I install gnu screen? apt-get install says that it is missing, obsoluted or is only available from another source
Nov 10 01:42:23 <Sysaxed> oh, it is in dev tools...
Nov 10 01:42:27 <Sysaxed> well...
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