**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 21 02:59:59 2013
Nov 21 03:42:50 <Gear_> hey, is there a frontend for some bluetooth cracking software?
Nov 21 04:01:37 <Gear_> hey, can someone tell me of a bluetooth "hacking" tool
Nov 21 04:24:39 <Gear_> hello
Nov 21 04:25:17 <Gear_> i'm looking for a bluetooth sniffer for messing around wih my other phones
Nov 21 04:26:00 <Gear_> especially my other n900
Nov 21 04:26:46 <Gear_> but mainly a pile of reasonably crap phones that i don't use
Nov 21 04:43:25 <DocScrutinizer05> we hear you
Nov 21 05:00:29 <Gear_> and you're ignoring the question why
Nov 21 05:01:22 <Gear_> there is command lines stuff bu is there any frontend things?
Nov 21 05:02:11 <Gear_> apart from the whole pwnphone image on one of my phones, but that isn't bvery good and chews the battery before you can really get anything one
Nov 21 05:03:23 <Gear_> burns though battery for some reason even with packet injection and evertthing off. the frontends are a mix of html and god knows what, i haven't used it much because it 
Nov 21 05:03:44 <Gear_> sucks a bit.
Nov 21 06:14:30 <psycho_oreos> To understand security is best to first understand the underlying measures. Installing this and asking that isn't necessarily going to help you when you don't understand the fundamentals.
Nov 21 06:18:51 <psycho_oreos> In the first few questions that you have asked, I can clearly see your lack of understanding behind the process. It seems like you are looking for some easy tool to do your bidding, frankly things doesn't work that way.
Nov 21 08:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~question
Nov 21 08:28:50 <infobot> question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Nov 21 08:28:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xy
Nov 21 08:28:55 <infobot> hmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
Nov 21 09:01:09 <LowMemory> ~bofh
Nov 21 09:01:10 <infobot> somebody said bofh was Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/
Nov 21 10:07:13 <keb> hello
Nov 21 10:07:58 <keb> anyone can help me out a bit with rescue os usage? i'd need it to charge my battery
Nov 21 10:09:17 <keb> but the "flasheing" command on the wiki gives me error with missing file or directory an i have no clue what i should change in the command to make it work
Nov 21 10:16:01 <keb> anyone even here? -.-
Nov 21 10:16:08 <merlin1991> keb: paste what command you used and an ls where you ran it
Nov 21 10:16:53 <keb> flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"
Nov 21 10:17:18 <keb> command from wiki page, and i ran it from my download foldar the last time, where rescue os img is stored
Nov 21 10:17:43 <merlin1991> do you have a kernel file called 2.6.37 in the directory?
Nov 21 10:18:02 <merlin1991> because -k $PATH tells flasher which kernel to load
Nov 21 10:18:34 <keb> wiki did not say i have to download it, its a bit unclear
Nov 21 10:18:56 <keb> from what i read there is 2 way to boot it, one from tarball and another way from img file
Nov 21 10:20:31 <keb> did i read it wrong? anyways the link leading to kernel file is dead
Nov 21 10:20:51 <merlin1991> http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ is the current location of the stuff
Nov 21 10:21:38 <merlin1991> you do need the 2.6.37 in any case
Nov 21 10:22:55 <keb> thx i seem to be in rescue os
Nov 21 10:23:18 <merlin1991> but just get 2.6.37 and the rescueOS-1.1.img from the link above and load those with flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-1.1.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"
Nov 21 10:25:32 <keb> yep, i already ran the battery charging script, thx for help :)
Nov 21 10:27:23 <keb> i hope it isn' dead ... yday it was showing 30% or so and today it looked dead and was in bootloop getting only to nokia logo
Nov 21 11:13:41 <kerio> bootlooping with an empty battery is the bane of a n900's existance :c
Nov 21 11:14:58 <keb> yep... i really hope it will work, i just wish i know when the phone is ready for a normal boot again... i guess i'll let rescueOS charge it for a few hours
Nov 21 11:16:08 <kerio> are you sure the battery was too low to reflash?
Nov 21 11:17:05 <keb> i dont want to reflash
Nov 21 11:17:12 <kerio> oh!
Nov 21 11:17:14 <kerio> why not?
Nov 21 11:17:24 <kerio> reflash and then unpack a backup
Nov 21 11:17:31 <keb> it turned off during the night and even on charger it was in bootloop
Nov 21 11:17:33 <kerio> because you DO have full backups right
Nov 21 11:18:07 <keb> nop, but even if i have to reflash its not really an issue, i'll just set it up again
Nov 21 11:19:19 <kerio> i thought so too
Nov 21 11:19:27 <kerio> i decided to reflash and set up everything again instead of restoring
Nov 21 11:19:41 <kerio> i tapped the screen, went "what the fuck, this is not my vibration pattern, fuck this"
Nov 21 11:19:46 <kerio> and restored the backup
Nov 21 11:19:50 <kerio> because really, fuck this
Nov 21 11:19:53 <vi__> mmm
Nov 21 11:19:59 <vi__> Perhaps i should make a backup
Nov 21 11:21:20 <keb> i'll do that as well if i get it to work again.... but i may need to buy another battery maybe, its still on level zero, voltage keeps increasing and decreasing around 3700
Nov 21 11:21:36 <kerio> >increasing and decreasing
Nov 21 11:21:37 <kerio> the fuck
Nov 21 11:22:14 <vi__> Just brute force the battery.
Nov 21 11:22:25 <keb> it was around 3600 when i started, and i have seen it on 3766 as well
Nov 21 11:22:32 <vi__> Hook it up to a bench supply at 4V and limit the current to 0.1A.
Nov 21 11:22:44 <keb> if i had one
Nov 21 11:23:43 <kerio> Reported Voltage (VOLT): 4025 mV
Nov 21 11:23:48 <keb> i tried to boost it directly with a blanked usb cable trough pc but it didnot woirk either. once i rescued my mb526 that way but N900 wont start like that
Nov 21 11:23:55 <kerio> ^healthy battery, almost full
Nov 21 11:24:07 <kerio> keb: you're using the wallcharger i hope
Nov 21 11:24:19 <kerio> charge21.bash on rescueOS will draw something like 950mA
Nov 21 11:24:32 <kerio> and bad USB hubs will just die
Nov 21 11:24:36 <keb> can't now, its on rescueOS, plugged to pc
Nov 21 11:24:49 <kerio> ?
Nov 21 11:24:56 <kerio> once it's loaded, the PC doesn't have to do shit
Nov 21 11:25:02 <keb> or can i remove it from pc and put on charger?
Nov 21 11:25:14 <keb> ah, cool... its not in description either
Nov 21 11:26:38 <keb> replugged it to charger, i hope it wont stop charging like this
Nov 21 11:27:11 <kerio> the script is still running right?
Nov 21 11:27:15 <kerio> what's the current?
Nov 21 11:27:24 <keb> yep, and showing decreasing voltage
Nov 21 11:27:32 <keb> its not good i guess
Nov 21 11:27:50 <keb> on one line it showed charge done
Nov 21 11:34:36 <keb> restarted the whole procedure, started charging script on wall charger, thank you, i hope it will work
Nov 21 11:35:38 <keb> its really a difference, voltage, NAC (ik whats that tough), level are already increasing
Nov 21 13:38:40 <keb> hm.. i waited it to charge to 20% and tried to boot up, but still in bootloop, i guess i'll try a reflash
Nov 21 13:39:26 <keb> the funny thing is, in recoveryOS my hardvare keyboard backlight is working, and normally it did not. no clue why
Nov 21 13:44:21 <keb> weird, i put it back on charge script and its decreasing from 100% 
Nov 21 14:15:49 <SAiF> somebody tell me which shell are you using? on maemo, sh, bash, or ash? or busybox!? 
Nov 21 14:16:13 <vi__> ash is the busybox shell.
Nov 21 14:16:23 <SAiF> yep, 
Nov 21 14:16:35 <SAiF> its the default one right?
Nov 21 14:16:37 <vi__> it is mostly compatible with sh.
Nov 21 14:16:40 <vi__> yes
Nov 21 14:16:44 <SAiF> good.
Nov 21 14:16:51 <vi__> you can install bash from the repos if you wish.
Nov 21 14:16:57 <SAiF> bash4
Nov 21 14:17:06 <SAiF> I installed bash 4
Nov 21 14:17:12 <vi__> Unless you are doing some hardcore scripting, it will not really matter to you.
Nov 21 14:17:29 <SAiF> it matter because I am learning
Nov 21 14:18:38 <SAiF> I wass looking at the less command.
Nov 21 14:18:48 <vi__> In my opinion the limitations of the default maemo shell environment are due to the lack of real gnu tools.
Nov 21 14:19:00 <vi__> Less is a program.
Nov 21 14:19:11 <vi__> That is run through sh.
Nov 21 14:19:21 <SAiF> so what is the alternative in..
Nov 21 14:19:24 <SAiF> yep
Nov 21 14:21:56 <vi__> There is the busybox less.  Which might have the features you need or there MIGHT be a 'real' less in the repos.
Nov 21 14:22:12 <warfare> you could even try more. 
Nov 21 14:22:17 <vi__> Alternatively, the debian squeeze armel binary might work.
Nov 21 14:22:40 <keb> what happened if i cant flash my n900? i plug it in holding down "u" key, then flasher recognisez it, and again i can see no suitable device
Nov 21 14:22:41 <vi__> Alternatively you could use easy debian.
Nov 21 14:22:52 <vi__> Alternatively you could install busybox-power.
Nov 21 14:23:11 <vi__> keb: is this some kind of question?
Nov 21 14:23:53 <keb> yes, today in the morning it was turned off, and i wasn't able to turn it on, it got into bootloop
Nov 21 14:24:21 <keb> i charged it now for hours with rescueOS and now i want to flash it because it is still in bootloop
Nov 21 14:25:08 <SAiF> thing is I am learning linx using maemo, currently my only linux device. When I follow different guides, it focuses on bash mostly. but, I dont have bash. just this ash.
Nov 21 14:25:48 <vi__> They are more or less the same.
Nov 21 14:26:53 <vi__> keb: start flasher, it says no device detected. unplug battery. plug in usb. hold u. plug in battery.
Nov 21 14:28:24 <SAiF> http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0040.php I am using this, it shows a /proc folder which is permission denied in both root and user. and where is the /sys folder. its not listed. I know I am asking silly questions.
Nov 21 14:29:21 <vi__> Have you chosen a text editor yet?
Nov 21 14:29:35 <SAiF> not yet. :)
Nov 21 14:29:37 <keb> nokia logo flashes up with usb icon at upper right corner and thats it
Nov 21 14:29:53 <vi__> SAiF: choose one and learn it well.
Nov 21 14:30:03 <vi__> I of course recommend vi.
Nov 21 14:30:08 <vi__> It is the best.
Nov 21 14:30:09 <SAiF> I ll go with the ash.
Nov 21 14:30:16 <SAiF> I have seen vi, 
Nov 21 14:30:17 <vi__> Anyone who says otherwise is a big fat liar.
Nov 21 14:30:27 <SAiF> but when I get in , I canniot get out.
Nov 21 14:30:30 <SAiF> :)
Nov 21 14:30:34 <vi__> actually start of with nano or something.
Nov 21 14:30:44 <SAiF> hm?
Nov 21 14:30:50 <vi__> nano is a text editor.
Nov 21 14:31:08 <keb> led is not on either
Nov 21 14:34:05 <vi__> What are you trying to do with /proc?
Nov 21 14:34:39 <SAiF> keb, try flashing root first.
Nov 21 14:34:42 <vi__> you cannot read or write to it.
Nov 21 14:35:01 <SAiF> nothing, just found familiar.
Nov 21 14:35:31 <vi__> to view /proc/cpuinfo use cat or something
Nov 21 14:35:51 <SAiF> well thats good.
Nov 21 14:36:24 <SAiF> so cat is to display..
Nov 21 14:38:08 <keb> it seems to work... i hope its not bricked
Nov 21 14:38:41 <keb> cmt flashed succesfully
Nov 21 14:40:23 <vi__> actually cat is to conCATenate i.e. join some files.
Nov 21 14:40:47 <vi__> but it works just fine for showing the contents of a file quickly.
Nov 21 14:41:10 <vi__> You will find with scripting is where the true power of the n900 lies.
Nov 21 14:41:18 <vi__> You find you can make it do ANYTHING.
Nov 21 14:42:18 <SAiF> :)
Nov 21 14:43:11 <vi__> check out this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60251
Nov 21 14:44:12 <warfare> SAiF: Install ArchLinux in a VirtualBox if you want to learn Linux. 
Nov 21 14:44:38 <vi__> Install gentoo, then you will no choice!
Nov 21 14:44:47 <keb> thx SAiF, i succesfully booted it, any guess why emmc flash did not work?
Nov 21 14:44:50 <vi__> Install gentoo, then you will have no choice!
Nov 21 14:45:02 <joga> heh, when my gf was at student exchange in different timezone and asked me to do a wake-up call for her in the morning, I made a little scheduled script to call her number and put the speaker on so if I wake up I can talk a bit to her too, but I didn't :p she did though
Nov 21 14:46:11 <vi__> WHen you can script your n900 you suddenly realise that 10000 apps are now redundant.
Nov 21 14:46:17 <joga> yeah
Nov 21 14:46:27 <SAiF> bootlooping is an error with the root files system, and if root is not working fine, you cannot flash emmc.   So the order for your case is flash root, flash emmc and then flash root again.
Nov 21 14:46:43 <vi__> Yes I can can make my phone wake me up at 0638 and tell me the time in Chinese voice then play a radio station. 
Nov 21 14:46:48 <vi__> It is a 1 liner.
Nov 21 14:46:59 <SAiF> I have a slackware 14 lying around :)
Nov 21 14:47:10 <keb> i skipped emmc this time, but it should not cvause any trouble, right? atleast i have my documents
Nov 21 14:47:15 <vi__> You do not need to flash emmc.
Nov 21 14:47:23 <keb> thx
Nov 21 14:47:31 <vi__> You know what is in emmc flash image?
Nov 21 14:47:38 <vi__> You know why it is ~300mb?
Nov 21 14:47:54 <vi__> because it is full of some bullshit mp3 and 2 videos.
Nov 21 14:47:55 <keb> if i read it right it replaces the whole internal storage
Nov 21 14:48:04 <SAiF> yes
Nov 21 14:48:24 <vi__> There is literally nothing of any value in emmc image.
Nov 21 14:48:28 <vi__> ...
Nov 21 14:48:35 <vi__> except maybe the partition table.
Nov 21 14:48:36 <keb> i tought i might have some corrupted data in there thats why i attepted to do the emmc flash first
Nov 21 14:49:21 <vi__> After the first boot a bunch of stuff is copied to emmc /opt/.
Nov 21 14:49:35 <joga> also ages ago I put a script that runs in the morning and checks if my net and server is ok and if they are, it doesn't do anything, but if something's wrong it gives me a popup message telling what, haven't needed to touch it in two years or so :p
Nov 21 14:50:19 <joga> so before I leave home in the morning I can sort it out heh
Nov 21 14:50:29 <vi__> My alarm is a cron job.
Nov 21 14:50:48 <vi__> It puts phone in inline mode and connects to the net.
Nov 21 14:51:07 <vi__> It sets the volume to 0 then connects to an internet jazz radio station.
Nov 21 14:51:30 <vi__> Then over the course of the next 15 minutes it slowly increases the volume to maximum.
Nov 21 14:51:52 <joga> heh
Nov 21 14:52:52 <SAiF> thats good, I think you should share that script. 
Nov 21 14:53:25 <vi__> I can share it without even touching the phone.
Nov 21 14:53:32 <joga> goes to show how powerful having proper cli on a phone can be
Nov 21 14:53:41 <vi__> ssh in, cat to pastebin, share link.
Nov 21 14:54:11 <SAiF> well vi__,
Nov 21 14:54:59 <SAiF> I use vnc to connect to n900, what is ssh, 
Nov 21 14:55:24 <vi__> ssh is the collest thing ever.
Nov 21 14:55:29 <vi__> ^coolest.
Nov 21 14:55:36 <SAiF> Heard it a lo but dont know it'
Nov 21 14:55:42 <SAiF> *lot
Nov 21 14:55:56 <vi__> When you understand what it is, a seperate session on a machine you start to see how balling the n900 is.
Nov 21 14:56:29 <vi__> http://pastebin.com/d0W3rvmk
Nov 21 14:57:51 <vi__> It is just a shame the hardware is so old now.
Nov 21 14:58:10 <vi__> And all the f***** closed blobs.
Nov 21 14:58:55 <SAiF> wait for Q2 Q3 of 2014
Nov 21 14:59:11 <keb> i am curious about the neo900 project
Nov 21 14:59:49 <SAiF> http://neo900.org/
Nov 21 14:59:51 <vi__> wtf happens in Q2 Q3 2014?
Nov 21 15:00:51 <keb> even if the hardware i have read about there on the forums is not the most high end, it would be nice to see the system on a more powerful device
Nov 21 15:00:56 <SAiF> neo900, if I am not misunderstood.
Nov 21 15:01:30 <keb> yes
Nov 21 15:05:05 <keb> as much curious about it as about ubuntu touch... too bad it does not run well on my mb526 :)
Nov 21 15:08:30 <vi__> What we ned is someone to roll fremantle for the MTK chipset.
Nov 21 15:08:51 <vi__> That way we would have any number of cheap chinese devices compatible.
Nov 21 15:10:19 <vi__> AcCtually just debian with hildon on top.
Nov 21 15:10:28 <vi__> There was one attempt at that. 
Nov 21 15:10:36 <vi__> I think it was called cordia or something.
Nov 21 15:10:45 <vi__> I even donated some euros to help.
Nov 21 15:10:58 <vi__> bleeh
Nov 21 15:11:36 <keb> not an easy job i guess
Nov 21 16:01:53 <SAiF> what is this symbol used for? % with an extra o on the bottom half.
Nov 21 16:03:00 <SAiF> actually there are some strange symbols in the symbol section of xterminal, can any one introduce them for me?
Nov 21 16:03:16 <bef0rd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_mil
Nov 21 16:04:48 <SAiF> % / 10. thats great.
Nov 21 16:08:07 <SAiF> what abt the others. I cant even search for those words as I dont know what its called.
Nov 21 16:12:33 <vi__> I have not used that silly keyboard thing in years.
Nov 21 16:12:39 <vi__> DocScrutinizer05: http://www4.vmi.edu/faculty/squirejc//Research/IC_Datasheets/digital_cmos/Write%20Only%20Memory.pdf
Nov 21 16:32:33 <DocScrutinizer05> vi__: terrible pun
Nov 21 16:33:02 <DocScrutinizer05> friggin students have too much spare time to do nonsense
Nov 21 16:34:13 <vi__> This was actually created by an annoyed engineer.
Nov 21 16:34:33 <vi__> It was actually published in signetics catalogue.
Nov 21 16:34:48 <vi__> In the 70's
Nov 21 16:38:30 <deepy> write-only memory?
Nov 21 16:38:54 <DocScrutinizer05> vi__: good we nowadays have emulations: /dev/null
Nov 21 16:39:05 <SAiF> FINO.. hhaha
Nov 21 16:39:33 <DocScrutinizer05> needs cleanout only once per year usually
Nov 21 16:47:05 <vi__> alkaline battery is 1.5v under load.
Nov 21 17:16:07 <DocScrutinizer05> uhuh
Nov 21 17:16:42 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_battery#Voltage  >>The average voltage under load depends on discharge and varies from 1.1 to 1.3 V<<
Nov 21 17:20:06 <ShadowJK> 0.8 lower bound, if you want to use all the energy stored in the battery
Nov 21 17:25:52 <ShadowJK> IIRC they had to issue a clarification that write-only memory was a joke, after they got contacted by several companies asking for pricing info and datasheets
Nov 21 17:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> recoil of a poor prank. Asking for a quotation is the better prank
Nov 21 17:28:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet that employee didn't get a bonus payment for his brilliant idea
Nov 21 17:29:37 <SAiF> goodnight(UGT)
Nov 21 17:30:14 <DocScrutinizer05> If only I'd know of an effective dodge I could apply to all those friggin chinese suppliers that offer everything (component wise) just to explain to you "we don't have that, but wouldn't you need our acme crap chip instead?"
Nov 21 17:30:44 <DocScrutinizer05> idiots
Nov 21 17:31:25 <DocScrutinizer05> wasting their own as well as everybody else's time and energy, and ruining any serious search for components
Nov 21 17:32:07 <kerio> ShadowJK: wait, why didn't they sell something?
Nov 21 17:32:38 <DocScrutinizer05> because they had to produce and *test* a chip that complies with the datasheets
Nov 21 17:32:56 <ShadowJK> Our local industrial automation seller takes our order, the same day we get 1 thing out of 20 item order. "oh, those are out of stock"
Nov 21 17:33:23 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: it's a datasheet for a write-only memory component :s
Nov 21 17:33:26 <kerio> how much testing do you have to do
Nov 21 17:33:32 <kerio> "ok, it does nothing, as intended"
Nov 21 17:33:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ohshit, it actually *can* get read out
Nov 21 17:33:57 <kerio> D:
Nov 21 17:34:23 <ShadowJK> input impedance: 0.1R
Nov 21 17:35:29 <ShadowJK> output impedance: max 10MR typ 2MR min 10R
Nov 21 17:39:15 <kerio> "goddammit bob, all you had to do was make a chip that does nothing, and it turns out that it does something!"
Nov 21 17:39:51 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, first they have to create *datasheets* for a chip that does nothing
Nov 21 17:40:47 <kerio> ...isn't a write-only memory chip a chip that does nothing?
Nov 21 17:41:08 <sono> hey now, it has to actually store data, or it's not to spec
Nov 21 17:41:15 <sono> the fact that one cannot read it is irrelevant
Nov 21 17:41:23 <sono> one might want to hack it up and read it anyway som day..
Nov 21 17:41:25 <kerio> oh no no
Nov 21 17:41:37 <kerio> the datasheet guarantees the external interactions and the behaviour
Nov 21 17:41:51 <sono> well, touche
Nov 21 17:42:07 <kerio> chip internals have no guarantee
Nov 21 17:44:13 <DocScrutinizer05> well, exactly such internal discussions would cost the company $$$$$ before they even could come up with a proper datasheet that their cistomers read and say "no thanks, not what we expected"
Nov 21 17:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> customers*
Nov 21 17:44:41 <kerio> let's make a company to sell write-only memory chips
Nov 21 17:46:20 <ShadowJK> write only write once
Nov 21 17:46:26 <ShadowJK> (blast cap)
Nov 21 17:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> do you have any idea what it takes just to publish a datasheet? there are lawyers, engineers, business guys... and all have to do a proper job, just to publish a 2 sheet datasheet
Nov 21 17:47:43 <kerio> yeah but think of the money we'll make
Nov 21 17:48:21 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise you publish a datasheet that not a single component gets sold on, but you have sufficent trouble with it for a 50 man crew for a year
Nov 21 17:48:49 <ShadowJK> My whole week at work has been wasted on making ~5 signs
Nov 21 17:49:16 <ShadowJK> It gets painfully slow when everyone feels qualified to make decisions on the font, fontsize, and colours.
Nov 21 17:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> which is exactly what this dude did with that fake write-only-datasheet. I bet he must have been his boss' best guy
Nov 21 17:52:55 <kerio> note to self: EEs don't have a sense of humour :c
Nov 21 17:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-11-21 18:36:14] <DocScrutinizer05> display connector still a problem.  of course again 50 suppliers claim "MOQ:100, available, capacity:500000/week" and when you ask for quotation, they answer "that component is EOL, obsolete, and hardly ever asked for. Hard to find and *very* expensive"
Nov 21 17:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ is where my humour died
Nov 21 17:57:51 <kerio> MOQ?
Nov 21 17:58:01 <DocScrutinizer05> minimum order qty
Nov 21 17:59:21 <DocScrutinizer05> and then when you see your work of months succeeding or failing on a silly connector for ~20ct/piece... Hardly a laugh
Nov 21 19:20:17 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: re hunour: see last § in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1387990#post1387990
Nov 21 19:20:29 <DocScrutinizer05> humour*
Nov 21 19:20:34 <kerio> yeah, yeah
Nov 21 19:21:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah you're right, we lack a certain sense for humour. We compensate with other kinds of humour and sarcasm
Nov 21 19:24:53 <DocScrutinizer05> we all live with a permanent requirement for absolute perfection. Sometimes we can't stand ourselves ;-)
Nov 21 23:17:41 <deepy> How do I turn on mass-storage mode? nothing happens when I plug it in to my computer
Nov 21 23:29:32 <DocScrutinizer05> then something is not working correctly on your computer or your device (or cable)
Nov 21 23:32:57 <cehteh> back-cover removed?
Nov 21 23:44:56 <deepy> charging it works fine though
Nov 21 23:45:02 <deepy> Nope, back-cover is there
Nov 21 23:45:15 <deepy> charging it with the ccable attached to e wal
Nov 21 23:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh  might help, but it's not supposed to be needed, you should see a popup menu as soon as you plug the device to a PC
Nov 21 23:48:29 <deepy> no pop-up, no banner
Nov 21 23:48:51 <DocScrutinizer05> lsmod|grep g_file_storage
Nov 21 23:49:27 <DocScrutinizer05> probably you installed a kernel and during that messed up the kernel modules?
Nov 21 23:54:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or your USB is broken
Nov 21 23:54:59 <DocScrutinizer05> is your PC a linux system?
Nov 21 23:55:51 <deepy> nope, windows
Nov 21 23:56:03 <deepy> can I use the exchange interface to sync gmail email? contacts work fine
Nov 21 23:57:26 <xes> deepy: sometimes may happen that usb data connection stops working. Poweroff the N900..wait a minute, then power up it again (no reboot) 
Nov 21 23:58:05 <deepy> I'll try that tomorrow
Nov 22 00:00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: we found a 1GB PoP RAM chip
Nov 22 00:00:41 <DocScrutinizer05> probably
Nov 22 00:00:43 <xes> wow! Great!
Nov 22 00:01:49 <nox-> neo900 will have 1 GB ram?
Nov 22 00:05:02 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: have you found a schematics with that useful chip?
Nov 22 00:05:50 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, some user pointed me at a micron site I visited several times already but managed to miss the relevant detail
Nov 22 00:06:31 <DocScrutinizer05> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/516/
Nov 22 00:07:58 <DocScrutinizer05> nox-: I hope so
Nov 22 00:08:14 <nox-> very nice :)
Nov 22 00:10:49 <nox-> Depth 	256Mb
Nov 22 00:10:51 <nox-> hm?
Nov 22 00:11:02 <DocScrutinizer05> depth is irrelevant
Nov 22 00:11:12 <nox-> i c
Nov 22 00:11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> density is the key value
Nov 22 00:11:36 <nox-> ah
Nov 22 00:12:46 <DocScrutinizer05> depth is probably the number of bits the controller reads/writes in parallel from the cell matrix
Nov 22 00:12:47 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: this could be interesting: http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/168425.aspx
Nov 22 00:13:51 <DocScrutinizer05> 1st guess: L2
Nov 22 00:18:05 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm, L4
Nov 22 00:18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> well, probably a configuration question
Nov 22 00:37:38 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I actually wonder which config has which benefits, comparing L2 (which I had oped for) and L4
Nov 22 00:37:45 <DocScrutinizer05> opted*
Nov 22 00:52:54 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: probably we should choose between L2 or L4 considering which chip is still available
Nov 22 01:00:39 <xes> ..in fact there is no MT46H256M32L2JV-5 IT available.. L4 is the only option to obtain 1GB - and also it is tagged as "contact factory" (not in production)
Nov 22 02:02:53 <DocScrutinizer05> DANG!
Nov 22 02:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> micron tagged it as "recommended for new designs"
Nov 22 02:06:59 <DocScrutinizer05> OHDAMN! only the R4
Nov 22 02:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=21&y=16&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=+MT46H256M32L4JV  :´(
Nov 22 02:53:27 <bef0rd> N900 booting XNU http://pic.twitter.com/RlQAjaCSPb :o
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