**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 27 03:00:00 2013 Nov 27 09:00:31 ~kerio is kerio: holy shit you're old Nov 27 09:00:31 vi__: cannot alter locked factoids Nov 27 09:00:39 suck it bitch Nov 27 09:00:45 ~kerio Nov 27 09:00:46 well, kerio is ah kerio, you beauty Nov 27 09:00:50 <3 Nov 27 09:00:53 ~vi_ Nov 27 09:01:00 ~vi_ Nov 27 09:01:09 ~vi__ Nov 27 09:01:10 [vi__] 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right Nov 27 09:01:15 yeah! Nov 27 09:02:00 I once copied my icons directory to a ramdisk and symlinked to it. Nov 27 09:03:47 There is a widget called 'app search widget'. It lists all the programs hildon knows about. Nov 27 09:04:07 It takes ~1.2seconds to populate the list when you activate the widget. Nov 27 09:04:38 With the icons symlinked to a ramdisk it was unmeasurable. Nov 27 11:37:53 vi__: do you have any idea why? Nov 27 11:50:43 metainfo of fs getting flushed from bufferes by data transferred for the icons? Nov 27 11:50:55 buffers* Nov 27 11:51:27 ioperf(?) should tell Nov 27 11:51:49 iotop? Nov 27 11:52:29 on unrelated topic: vapor phase soldering is really a weird thing Nov 27 11:53:11 waaay smarter than hot air reflow Nov 27 12:27:44 2. Disadvantages Nov 27 12:27:44 High running costs. Nov 27 12:27:47 ;) Nov 27 12:50:05 I have no idea. Nov 27 12:50:19 I assumed it was because they all need to be read from the emmc. Nov 27 12:50:30 But surely it should be cached if that was the case? Nov 27 14:21:43 is reformatting a good idea if I haven't touched it in a LONG time? Nov 27 14:22:11 i have an N800 i haven't touched in a few months and cleaning the cruft seems like a good idea Nov 27 14:23:10 not turning on Nov 27 14:23:17 guess plugging it in would be a start Nov 27 14:27:05 she turned right on! Nov 27 14:27:09 that's a good start Nov 27 14:29:44 N800 lives again :D Nov 27 14:29:55 anyways, should I clean it out? Nov 27 14:31:02 i have a nice big 32 GB SD card for it to replace to 128 MB card it came with Nov 27 14:35:06 mashina: it is not like it is getting dusty between the electrons when lieing around... Nov 27 14:35:21 eyah but maybe a fresh start is what i need Nov 27 14:35:33 there's probably lots of daemons and FS cruft and installed apps... Nov 27 14:35:34 what you need is a different thing Nov 27 14:36:13 you probably want to check if all repos are still available and if not have a look where they got mirrored Nov 27 14:39:59 i think i just used stock + some but i'll check when it charges a bit more Nov 27 14:44:20 hello all Nov 27 14:44:34 is the Meego pub repos dead? Nov 27 15:24:48 why is everyone getting excited about this jolla phone? Nov 27 15:25:19 more closed source abandonware. Nov 27 15:28:18 i can't understand it either ... Nov 27 15:29:52 vi__: It is largely open sourced. Nov 27 15:30:10 vi__: Is it less opensourced from a perspective of the drivers than would be liked - yes. Nov 27 15:30:29 Simply because of market reality, and the inability to source parts with actual docs. Nov 27 15:30:36 i'd like to see your source for claiming it's closed source Nov 27 15:30:57 Can you screw with the underlying layers much, much more than android or even harmattan (due to aegis) - yes. (AIUI at least) Nov 27 15:33:01 Is it as open as GTA* and neo900 - no. Nov 27 15:49:06 * ShadowJK wonders if jolla or N5 will exit unobtanium status first Nov 27 16:09:19 is it as open as harmattan was? Nov 27 16:10:57 If we could just get the specs to the MTK chips we could have access to a shit tin of modern hardware. Nov 27 16:11:04 ^shit ton Nov 27 16:11:08 ~vi__ Nov 27 16:11:08 extra, extra, read all about it, vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right Nov 27 16:11:13 I know doc. Nov 27 16:11:23 THanks for noticing. Nov 27 16:14:46 freemangordon: ping Nov 27 16:17:47 sono: really? even with the insane cost of electric energy here in Germany? Nov 27 16:20:10 sono: also seems like a hot air reflow needs like 50m^3 while a vapor phase you can run in your closet Nov 27 16:24:08 sono: ok, there are small hot air reflow which work for single boards Nov 27 16:30:11 i just quoted... Nov 27 16:30:16 in a meeting Nov 27 16:30:51 :-) Nov 27 16:35:34 ~music Nov 27 16:35:34 well, music is essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil. Nov 27 16:35:49 ~nformation Nov 27 16:35:54 ~information Nov 27 16:35:55 Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST Nov 27 16:36:03 yeah! Nov 27 16:36:05 ^99 Nov 27 16:36:10 ~^99 Nov 27 16:36:18 ~^3 Nov 27 16:36:22 ~!3 Nov 27 16:36:29 !3 Nov 27 16:36:47 ~d6 Nov 27 16:37:16 infobot you suck Nov 27 16:37:17 and very well I might add Nov 27 16:37:30 infobot you banana Nov 27 16:43:22 alright, all my repos seem acceptance Nov 27 16:43:33 seems like it;s the perfect time to wipe it clean (n800 that is) Nov 27 16:44:36 vi__: you suck Nov 27 16:44:48 ~3! Nov 27 16:44:49 3! is, like, 6 Nov 27 16:48:27 ~global thermonuclear war Nov 27 16:48:28 how about a nice game of chess? Nov 27 16:48:37 hehehehe Nov 27 16:56:19 freemangordon: ping Nov 27 17:03:45 marmistrz: pong Nov 27 17:03:59 ok Nov 27 17:04:27 I installed the sdk from the cli script Nov 27 17:04:45 These are my packages Nov 27 17:04:50 AFAIK that one install hathor Nov 27 17:04:52 :( Nov 27 17:04:55 you need aphophis Nov 27 17:05:10 what like from stargate? Nov 27 17:05:27 What's strange hathor worked since a year or so, and has recently broken. Nov 27 17:05:37 could be Nov 27 17:05:54 btw. apophis seems to break embedlite-components, iirc Nov 27 17:06:17 sorry, my mistake Nov 27 17:06:19 no, it is hathor that breaks it Nov 27 17:06:27 marmistrz: http://pastebin.com/kGRTsab5 Nov 27 17:06:30 this is what I have installed Nov 27 17:06:50 marmistrz: just download the debs and install them Nov 27 17:07:14 thx Nov 27 17:07:26 can I install from the apt repo on amd64? Nov 27 17:07:42 http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/branches/apophis/r4/deb/ Nov 27 17:07:56 marmistrz: yes, but you need to install x86 libs Nov 27 17:08:26 also, you need to tweak some of the debs and remove python dependency Nov 27 17:08:46 you dl-ed from here? Nov 27 17:08:49 you'll see what I mean when you hit the error Nov 27 17:09:04 marmistrz: I use x86 virtual mashine Nov 27 17:09:26 no amd64 ;) Nov 27 17:09:27 and would using tar.gz for apophis workaround the error you're talking about? Nov 27 17:09:41 marmistrz: NFC Nov 27 17:10:11 you'd better do as I say, that is how I make aphophis working on my ubuntu 12.04 64bit Nov 27 17:10:42 thx :) Nov 27 17:11:01 why do we need to use the older release for Maemo? Nov 27 17:11:14 according to http://scratchbox.org/download/ Nov 27 17:11:34 marmistrz: I guess somehting is broken in hathor Nov 27 17:11:57 btw my qemu is from hathor Nov 27 17:12:41 So should I download apophis-only pkgs, or tweak anything more? Nov 27 17:15:37 freemangordon: And does the autobuilder use hathor or apophis? Nov 27 17:15:56 marmistrz: hathor Nov 27 17:16:26 marmistrz: yes, just download the same versions as mine and you'll be ok Nov 27 17:16:36 thx Nov 27 17:21:53 freemangordon: Just noticed that my version of qemu is the apophis one... ;) 0.10 is entirely non-existent in hathor... Nov 27 17:33:19 freemangordon: ping Nov 27 17:33:25 Pali: pong Nov 27 17:33:34 freemangordon: where is your LD_PRELOAD patch? Nov 27 17:33:40 for rtcom-call-ui Nov 27 17:33:50 on my PC :D Nov 27 17:34:00 hold on a second Nov 27 17:35:19 Pali: http://pastebin.com/MhbEMjNM Nov 27 17:35:30 you know, quick'n'dirty Nov 27 17:36:18 ok Nov 27 17:36:22 will look at kernel Nov 27 17:38:03 Pali: we can't avoid LD_PRELOAD IMO Nov 27 17:38:13 if not for call-ui then for something else Nov 27 17:39:55 I wonder if this isn't way easier than maintaining kernel patches Nov 27 17:41:15 Pali: ^^^ Nov 27 17:41:50 problem with above patch is that above path can change again in next kernel version... Nov 27 17:43:19 Pali: sure, but a .so is way easier to maintain Nov 27 17:43:55 Pali: not to say we can put those replacements in a config file and tweak it while booting Nov 27 17:52:58 freemangordon: for that audio/jack problem, it is better to create new hal module for exporting it Nov 27 18:10:24 alright, gonna wpe it Nov 27 18:15:57 $ sudo hal-device -a /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input < /dev/null && sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input --key input.jack.type --strlist-pre "a" && sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input --key input.jack.type --strlist-rem "a" Nov 27 18:16:08 freemangordon: maybe above command can help ^^^^ Nov 27 18:16:27 it create fake hal device with input.jack.type property Nov 27 18:16:41 (I do not know which property rtcom-call-ui reading) Nov 27 18:32:57 freemangordon: yes, above commands fix rtcom-call-ui crashes Nov 27 18:33:03 here is upstart script: http://pastebin.com/W7N6KVmc Nov 27 18:33:35 just store it to directory /etc/event.d/ Nov 27 19:02:25 freemangordon: ping Nov 27 19:08:48 heh Nov 27 19:11:19 android_808: ping Nov 27 19:11:36 marmistrz: pong Nov 27 19:11:44 You remember the scratchbox stuff? Nov 27 19:11:52 What bit? Nov 27 19:12:04 The one from cssu thumb Nov 27 19:12:16 thread Nov 27 19:12:32 yep, how you getting on with it? Nov 27 19:12:46 Well, reinstalled the whole scratchbox (simply untar-ed) Nov 27 19:12:49 with these pgks Nov 27 19:12:55 s/pgks/pkgs/ Nov 27 19:12:56 marmistrz meant: with these pkgs Nov 27 19:13:09 http://pastebin.com/7j9eeFGR Nov 27 19:13:25 Still segfaults with libgtk2.0-bin Nov 27 19:13:51 Tried pushing hathor qemu, even qemu-arm-static from raring Nov 27 19:13:56 still fails Nov 27 19:14:13 didn't install from debs, as they want me to remove python ;) - its easier from tgz Nov 27 19:15:13 (for qemu-arm-static, changed the qemu variable in /scratchbox/users/marcin/targets/fremantle.config) Nov 27 19:17:51 android_808: seems it would be the end of the report :) Nov 27 19:17:51 remind me, been up for hours, what command you run to cause it? Nov 27 19:18:37 update-gtk-immodules Nov 27 19:24:11 brb, gotta reboot Nov 27 19:26:35 android_808: I'm back Nov 27 19:26:45 marmistrz: Welcome back. i've got same glib as fmg mentioned, libglib2.0-dev 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0+thumb0, and libgtk2.0-bin (program from here) 2.14.7-1maemo34+0cssu2+thumb0. Nov 27 19:27:21 android_808: it fails even with the sdk version Nov 27 19:27:40 marmistrz: what is output of cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr on host? Nov 27 19:28:02 freemangordon: (LD_PRELOAD) what about apps? Nov 27 19:28:09 65536 Nov 27 19:28:27 marmistrz: change it 4096 or lower, I'm on 0 Nov 27 19:29:15 what does that mean? Nov 27 19:30:01 android_808: and do I have to reboot after the change? Nov 27 19:30:13 no. From wiki: In order to run ARMEL binaries in scratchbox the mmap_min_address needs to be set to 4096 or lower. Normally the SDK installer warns about that, but in Ubuntu Lucid the /proc entry is visible only to root, so the SDK installer can not see it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568844 This also prevents qemu from checking the value, in which case it is assumed to be 0. Because of this, until Nov 27 19:30:14 the bug is fixed (kernel 2.6.34 is unaffected, and at least that version will be in Maverick), the value should be set to 0 on Lucid. Nov 27 19:30:53 android_808: Well, magic, works! ;) Nov 27 19:30:57 thank you very much! Nov 27 19:31:28 add it to /etc/sysctl.conf and it will automatically set it on boot. Nov 27 19:31:51 and what does the mmap_min_address in the system? Nov 27 19:32:28 s/in/do in/ Nov 27 19:32:28 marmistrz meant: and what does the mmap_mdo in_address in the system? Nov 27 19:32:50 s/in /do in / Nov 27 19:32:50 marmistrz meant: and what does the mmap_min_address do in the system? Nov 27 19:33:06 marmistrz: See: https://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr My turn for a qt question. Nov 27 19:33:37 ok, thx :) proceed ;) Nov 27 19:33:42 marmistrz: is there any real difference between public slots: and public Q_SLOTS: in a qt header file? Nov 27 19:34:23 I have no idea. Nov 27 19:34:29 I'd have to dig a little Nov 27 19:34:55 but my guess it'd be the same Nov 27 19:35:05 I've never seen Q_SLOTS, always used slots Nov 27 19:36:27 fmg sent me a test app for embedlite work. I've always used slots: but I get error about expected : before 'slots'. Appears to be caused by some of the lines in project file. Source file from fmg uses Q_SLOTS and that builds Nov 27 19:36:53 Well, strange and interesting. Nov 27 19:37:00 Gonna let you know if I find sth Nov 27 19:38:11 I have to quit, send me an e-mail/pm if you were to need something. Nov 27 19:38:17 thx again! Nov 27 20:30:06 why if I recharge my n900 by dynamo hand tool it does not charge? Nov 27 20:30:26 as I apply the same on an android tablet it works... Nov 27 20:37:53 Pali: well, creating a fake hal device might prevent call-ui from crashing, but it actually sets a notifier on it Nov 27 20:38:29 so, call-ui will never get notified about a neadsed plugged or something like that Nov 27 20:38:44 iiuc Nov 27 20:38:53 problem is that full audio is buggy... and until this will be fixed (in kernel or userspace) it does not make sense to do something more... Nov 27 20:39:14 that's for sure Nov 27 20:39:23 (broken audio) Nov 27 20:40:45 yeah :-/ Nov 27 20:40:53 zammy: short D+ and D- Nov 27 20:42:00 ? DocScrutinizer05 Nov 27 20:42:02 zammy: I'd be DAMN CAREFUL with such geeky stuff like hand dynamo charger. You might easily fry your device Nov 27 20:42:05 I don't get--- Nov 27 20:42:08 wait Nov 27 20:42:20 why Nov 27 20:42:26 how fry Nov 27 20:42:48 it's not a freaky charger Nov 27 20:42:50 e.g. by driving the dynamo backwards thus applying inverted voltage to USB Nov 27 20:42:53 but a mobile phone charger Nov 27 20:42:56 just dynamo Nov 27 20:43:06 lolo Nov 27 20:43:09 inverted Nov 27 20:43:23 yes... I can suppose it is inverted... Nov 27 20:43:25 idkl Nov 27 20:43:37 or simply by the damn thing outputting 25V the very moment the charger circuit switches off the load Nov 27 20:44:02 DocScrutinizer05, indeed as I try to charge my n900 it seems cause the opposite effect Nov 27 20:44:48 you've been warned Nov 27 20:44:51 discharge Nov 27 20:44:53 ... Nov 27 20:44:56 well... Nov 27 20:44:59 thank Nov 27 20:45:01 but... Nov 27 20:45:20 how to ... shall I give back this damn hand charger Nov 27 20:45:32 no, we can't and won't evaluate the risks and quirks of your particular charger Nov 27 20:46:21 odds are it's a damn cheap build from china, with absolutely nothing in it to protect the phone Nov 27 20:46:38 DocScrutinizer05, as I stress the damn charger with weird moves Nov 27 20:46:47 so stressing my self too Nov 27 20:47:00 I get sometimes n900 saying battery is charging Nov 27 20:47:22 again, not going to evaluate this any further Nov 27 20:47:27 but after a while as I loose the right rythm it says charger disconnected Nov 27 20:47:50 but it says that even if I am still applying the hand Nov 27 20:48:17 and ... DocScrutinizer05 this you can evaluate Nov 27 20:48:26 just like error Nov 27 20:48:35 I could explain all those effects to you, but i won't since it takes a while and no benefit of it Nov 27 20:48:40 it sends weird red sparking led signals Nov 27 20:50:01 the damn thng probably not even has a buffer capacitor Nov 27 20:50:13 ...right Nov 27 20:50:22 that's the point the same I suppose Nov 27 20:50:24 thanks Nov 27 20:51:56 use it for dumb battery chargers, not for delicate electronic devices Nov 27 20:52:45 or power your USB attached torch gadget with it Nov 27 20:53:46 wait, does it even come with USB or do you use an adapter to connect a generic barrel connector or whatever to the poor N900? Nov 27 20:55:44 I use an adapter by my self Nov 27 20:56:10 I have many miniusb adapters... Nov 27 20:59:15 no way with all cables Nov 27 20:59:34 it is just able to wake up the phone... but does not charge it Nov 27 20:59:49 as you say it's buffer capacitor lack... the cause Nov 27 21:01:55 the cause is you'e using an absolutely FORBIDDEN DANGEROUS adapter Nov 27 21:02:27 http://asktwitr.com/wJkEfC/B009BSHPLO.jpg Nov 27 21:02:34 meh Nov 27 21:02:34 http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/926204264/Portable-3-LED-Hand-cranked-Dynamo-Solar-Power-Torch-Flashlight-Torche-for-Outdoor-Camping.jpg_220x220.jpg Nov 27 21:03:33 nd, where does the damn thing state "5.0Volt USB compliant output"? Nov 27 21:03:47 and* Nov 27 21:03:53 at max 4volt Nov 27 21:03:58 I verified Nov 27 21:03:59 LOL Nov 27 21:04:20 you're a seriously weird guy Nov 27 21:04:57 ... Nov 27 21:05:17 don't you have any geek advice? Nov 27 21:05:35 yes: stop doing such dangerous experiments! Nov 27 21:05:45 lol Nov 27 21:05:53 I can't promise Nov 27 21:06:16 or get used to *learning+ about what you're about to do Nov 27 21:06:24 my only reason to buy n900 was testing the fly thing Nov 27 21:06:30 see USB specs Nov 27 21:07:04 ooh, you also could try the throw thing Nov 27 21:07:52 there's an app that demonstrates how accelerometer range gets exceeded when you throw the N900 against a brick wall Nov 27 21:07:57 SCNR Nov 27 21:08:11 ;-P Nov 27 21:08:26 very cool Nov 27 21:08:33 I mean the accelerometar stuff Nov 27 21:08:38 not the wall Nov 27 21:09:56 yeah, the problem with the app: only very few people were able to read out the logs of acceleration from the N900 storage after doing the test Nov 27 21:10:50 there must be a bug in the app, regarding writing the logs to flash storage, allegedly it can even cause massive problems reading *anything* from flash Nov 27 21:10:56 that's a challenge Nov 27 21:11:18 anyway a good app... the best one Nov 27 21:15:43 good this one? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FU%2BOYkGdL._SY355_.jpg Nov 27 21:33:08 what's the flex flat Nov 27 21:56:11 http://www.ebay.it/itm/fur-Nokia-N900-mobiler-Akku-Just-Mobile-4400mAh-/250914394102?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item3a6ba9cff6 Nov 27 22:07:07 It's just a USB charger Nov 27 22:07:13 USB battery Nov 27 23:20:13 hm Nov 27 23:21:12 ok, so I noticed that inserting this mobile battery inside my N900 lead to visible sparks at the top side right above insertion (behind the N900 cover text, kinda) Nov 27 23:21:17 is this a bad thing? Nov 27 23:22:31 the phone also refuses to boot, but that happens sometimes in general too (in which the solution is to just reove and reinsert the battery) Nov 27 23:22:47 should I ignore it and just boot it or stop using this battery? Nov 27 23:25:50 strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself Nov 27 23:30:50 took out and reinserted the battery, no sparks, and it seems to work properly now, but uh.. should I use the battery, and is there no problem and just something temporary? everything I can find googling is that estel had noticed such issue in one case of some kind of special bttery Nov 27 23:36:40 WUT? SPARKS?? Nov 27 23:37:45 I *strongly* recommend not using this battery any more. I actually recommend storing it outside your house in a steel containment Nov 27 23:39:15 where exactly where the sparks? I seem to not get your description Nov 27 23:39:36 you know the small metal things that hold the battery in place on the phone? Nov 27 23:39:47 there Nov 27 23:39:56 i.e. the 2... things I can't describe properly Nov 27 23:39:58 also this sentence doesn't make sense to me: >>strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself<< Nov 27 23:40:24 i.e. not the 3-connector-side, but the other side of the battery Nov 27 23:40:25 the spring latches at bottom of battery Nov 27 23:40:46 made of steel Nov 27 23:40:46 the side with the logo Nov 27 23:41:51 logo? you mean the hologram? Nov 27 23:41:56 yeah Nov 27 23:42:27 the sparks are inside that battery, right? Nov 27 23:42:49 they appear between the battery and the phone's latches Nov 27 23:42:52 during insertion Nov 27 23:42:56 well, appeared Nov 27 23:43:05 that's a pretty scary thing to happen Nov 27 23:43:32 well, it seems to work just fine now (didn't turn it on, but holding power button makes led appear happily like usual) Nov 27 23:43:43 what do you suggest me doing? Nov 27 23:43:58 FIQ: What are you waiting for? The phone or the battery explosion? Nov 27 23:44:00 as I said above: discard the battery safely Nov 27 23:44:48 DocScrutinizer05: hmmmmmmm ok Nov 27 23:45:05 hi DocScrutinizer05! Nov 27 23:45:06 this kinda cripples me, but safety over convenience definitely Nov 27 23:45:10 hi xes Nov 27 23:45:15 let's try to figure out what to do for now Nov 27 23:46:16 FIQ: if you feel venturous, you can disassemble the battery by peeling off the plastic sticky tape jacket - on a fireproof bench under open sky Nov 27 23:46:56 I don't understand what you mean Nov 27 23:48:36 I mean you either store the battery in a tin box or tin can in the open outside your home (on lacony or your garden) until you move to a disposal site where you can get rid of it, or you disassemble the battery to see what was wrong with it if you're curious enough Nov 27 23:49:13 the first trick to identify a damaged battery is to put it on the table and check if it's a little inflated instead to be perfectly flat... Nov 27 23:49:17 I'd not do the dis-assembly in a closed room Nov 27 23:49:40 xes: this one *sparks* Nov 27 23:49:50 so not the usual swelling Nov 27 23:50:01 it might have an internal short or sth Nov 27 23:50:35 just to make eventual translations clear of any mis-understanding: with sparking, I mean that white light appeared during insertion between the batttery and phone as explained above Nov 27 23:50:36 shorting LiIon cell is usually a poor idea Nov 27 23:51:44 if this is not mis-understood, I'll make sure to get rid of that battery ASAP tomorrow (it's 00:51 atm, I don't have much better choice) Nov 27 23:51:52 FIQ: yes, this can only be the battery inside, I think Nov 27 23:52:31 place it outside your room, best place it outside any room Nov 27 23:52:48 should I remove the battery from N900 or keep it inside atm? Nov 27 23:52:54 and for sure place it away from any flammable materials Nov 27 23:52:59 FIQ: a new HQ battery costs 13 euro. Would you live with the risk of an exploding phone in your pouch? Nov 27 23:53:01 remove!! Nov 27 23:53:09 xes: definitely not Nov 27 23:53:22 xes: just trying to figure out what to do *right now* at 1am when everyone sleeps Nov 27 23:53:23 DocScrutinizer05: ok Nov 27 23:53:25 would you want to risk your house burning down? Nov 27 23:55:46 so let's see, atm I'm considering placing it either outside (where I'll have trouble finding it tomorrow) or inside in a closed room far from everyone else (including me) Nov 27 23:56:33 on your window board maybe? Nov 27 23:56:37 the former will most likely kill the battery off for good (and possibly even making it more likely to do silly stuff), the latter is more unsafe in case it *does* do silly stuff Nov 27 23:56:47 hm perhaps Nov 27 23:56:53 window----------wire--------------battery :) Nov 27 23:57:40 it's not a big fire or explosion that could happen, just a smal one like lighting a complete box of lighters maybe Nov 27 23:57:50 but the fumes are toxic Nov 27 23:58:12 s/lighters/matches/ Nov 27 23:58:59 DocScrutinizer05: i'm not of the same idea, if charged can create a nice fire cloud of ~30 - 40 cm diameter Nov 27 23:59:21 it is fully charged, unless the charging stopped working mid-charge Nov 27 23:59:43 (as I was charging it before noticing this) Nov 28 00:00:30 xes: well yes, like a matchbox full of matches lighting up Nov 28 00:00:51 maybe a bit worse Nov 28 00:01:58 hm Nov 28 00:02:31 ok I'll leave it outside in the balcony, currently it's -5C outside so it should have a hard time doing anything nasty Nov 28 00:03:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0#t=122 maybe a *tad* worse Nov 28 00:03:17 ;-P Nov 28 00:04:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0#t=115 Nov 28 00:04:34 damn, 7s too late Nov 28 00:05:17 ..a matchbox full of matches eh? Nov 28 00:06:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0#t=152 Nov 28 00:07:08 btw 18650 are the most dangerous cells.. Nov 28 00:10:08 2m from house should be safe in case of explosion, right? Nov 28 00:10:34 (balcony was locked eh, had to resort to literally placing it outside of the house in the open) Nov 28 00:11:19 18650 literally nuked off some dude's balcony Nov 28 00:11:47 FIQ: 2m should be fine Nov 28 00:12:54 ok then Nov 28 00:13:14 :) it's "funny" when you start thinking that your laptop usually contains at least 8 x 18650... Nov 28 00:20:42 damn, I seem to have no bookmark on this event. The dude inserted two 18650 into a 50W torch and switched it on to full power. It heated up and when he dropped it an explosion happened that blasted away the 1m^2 of balcony balustrade and created a 2cm wide crater in the concrete or stone floor Nov 28 00:20:53 so... once people wake up in a few hours, what should I do with the battery? Nov 28 00:21:06 i.e. where to get rid of it Nov 28 00:22:03 good question. I don't know about regulations at your place, here we got special dumps for toxic and problematic waste, which are managed by a few "experts" Nov 28 00:23:31 don't feel too scared, the LiIon cell will "warn" you well ahead of time (at least some 10 seconds), by getting hot and swelling Nov 28 00:26:58 DocScrutinizer05: IIRC that was on the "powerful LED flashlights" forum Nov 28 00:27:09 yes Nov 28 00:28:12 funny thing too actually, I've got a few boxes of 18650 downstairs for an EV project when summer/xmas break rolls around Nov 28 00:29:07 chug the clubmate friends Nov 28 00:29:14 it's german hacker christmastime, aka CCC Nov 28 00:29:31 I think the problem with the power torch been the aluminum case made of massive and airtight seals Nov 28 00:29:50 mashina: HUH? Nov 28 00:29:58 do the batteries vent that much gas? Nov 28 00:30:01 DocScrutinizer05: can I just throw it at an usual "dispose your used batteries here" place? because I have no idea what to do otherwise :p Nov 28 00:30:06