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Dec 10 09:30:15 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: SAW-TS allegedly break/wear too soon?
Dec 10 09:35:27 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: SG note2 is hybrid c-ts plus *inductive* ts :-/
Dec 10 09:36:25 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: there's *glass* analog r-ts!
Dec 10 09:36:29 <DocScrutinizer05> 5wire
Dec 10 11:50:24 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer05: It's rather annoying that all the options suck. 
Dec 10 11:51:00 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Dec 10 14:28:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Dec 10 14:32:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Dec 10 14:32:11 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Dec 10 14:41:01 <DocScrutinizer05> folks, DON'T MISS TO VOTE!
Dec 10 14:46:56 <FIQ> vote? what voting
Dec 10 16:15:33 <sixwheeledbeast> http://maemo.org/vote
Dec 10 16:15:41 <sixwheeledbeast> ^^^FIQ
Dec 10 16:35:54 <FIQ> hmm, garage gives a certification error
Dec 10 16:35:57 <FIQ> interesting
Dec 10 16:40:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Dec 10 16:40:48 <FIQ> https://garage.maemo.org/ gives a certification warning :p
Dec 10 16:41:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no, your browser does that
Dec 10 16:41:35 <FIQ> yeah I know it's my browser, just saying that it does that
Dec 10 16:43:07 <DocScrutinizer05> well, import maemo techstaff to your root CA certs
Dec 10 16:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Dec 10 16:46:09 <FIQ> https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=12 interesting...
Dec 10 16:51:59 <DocScrutinizer05> really?
Dec 10 16:59:10 <DocScrutinizer05> what's interesting with spam? interesting that you think you should post a link to that spam here in chan
Dec 10 18:46:33 <DrCode> hi all
Dec 10 18:47:09 <DrCode> I have strange problem, when I disconnect from BT (my car) it drop volume to off
Dec 10 18:47:28 <DrCode> then if someone call , it handup after 1 ring, any idea?
Dec 10 18:56:45 <DocScrutinizer05> disable BT. Or how do you "disconnect"?
Dec 10 19:01:28 <DrCode> when I switch off my car it disonnect
Dec 10 19:01:41 <DrCode> its strange
Dec 10 19:02:04 <DrCode> is there option to change volume automticly while I diconnect BT?
Dec 10 20:06:30 <DocScrutinizer05> you didn't disconnect, you simply switched off the BT "peripheral" (your car)
Dec 10 20:08:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno how BT handles that situation. Similar to a WWAN call is not instantly terminated when you have a temporary connectivity loss in a tunnel or whatever
Dec 10 20:08:56 <DocScrutinizer05> disable/switch-off the BT in your N900 to actually disconnect and revert to standard audio profile
Dec 10 20:09:47 <DocScrutinizer05> this may or may not help to fix the issue
Dec 10 20:13:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you can test a similar case with a BT headset: pair and connect, then carry the BT headset out of reception range of the N900 (might be some 30m or more) or rmove the battery hard from the headset, without prior switching off. When you didn't hear sound while you do, there's probably no RF communication going on between the headset and the N900, so the N900 has no chance to detect that headset got "disconnected"
Dec 10 20:14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 will detect the problem the latest wgen there's some audio pending for playback, e.g. on inbound call. Probably N900 will decide that it can't handle the call since the "audio is not working" and thus rejects the call
Dec 10 20:15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> when*
Dec 10 20:17:21 <DocScrutinizer05> all this gets handled by bluez and alsaped 8the latter an obscure undocumented closed blob, thanks Nokia). Ask pali, he might know details
Dec 10 20:17:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or freemangordon_
Dec 10 20:22:25 <sixwheeledbeast> Is the volume simply that the headset volume is off? Not tested a BT headset but a wired headset has different volume levels to speakers or nothing attached. Connect headset and increase volume with rocker switch. As for the one ring hang up maybe it wasn't rejected but hung up?
Dec 10 20:23:45 <sixwheeledbeast> s/Is the volume/Is it
Dec 10 20:23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I have to admit I don't have the faintest clue who's talking to alsaped to switch the audio profiles according to the current usecase. Might be PolypAudio, or MCE or mission control or I dunno what else
Dec 10 20:24:08 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ping
Dec 10 20:24:09 <infobot> ~pong
Dec 10 20:24:27 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: each audio sink has its own volume, yes
Dec 10 20:26:01 <sixwheeledbeast> yep, maybe one sink volume is down?  
Dec 10 20:26:19 <DocScrutinizer05> possible
Dec 10 20:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> the report is pretty fuzzy anyway
Dec 10 20:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> rather: abiguous
Dec 10 20:28:29 <DocScrutinizer05> volume of what drops to zero? and when call comes in, will the ringtone playback or not?
Dec 10 20:30:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and ... where does the call come in? on N900 or on car communication system? (it might even use remote SIM access from car phone to N900 SIM)
Dec 10 20:31:32 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a nice number of unknown variables in that scenario
Dec 10 20:32:41 <DocScrutinizer05> what software is running on N900?
Dec 10 20:36:02 <DocScrutinizer05> this http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP ?
Dec 10 20:47:18 <sixwheeledbeast> yep ~ask
Dec 10 20:55:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ? ~question ?
Dec 10 20:57:26 <Sicelo> does N900 offer remote SIM via BT?
Dec 10 22:01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly not
Dec 10 22:01:51 <DocScrutinizer05> but I don't know for sure
Dec 10 22:02:47 <DocScrutinizer05> it'sprobably rather a question what AT commands the modem supports, and we never got to know for sure about that
Dec 10 22:04:22 <DocScrutinizer05> DANG! indeed the first day without a single preorder
Dec 10 22:04:39 <DocScrutinizer05> a sad day
Dec 10 22:05:35 <DocScrutinizer05> oops, wrong chan
Dec 11 00:00:24 <Sysaxed> what is the best way to change the volume? I've tried 'amixer set Master playback 1%+' and it works, but it is very slow. For example try to run 'for i in {1..50}; do amixer set Master playback 1%+; done' and you'll notice that it takes some significant time. I've also tried this approach http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume but it stops working quickly - after some amount of calls it just stops responding to the command and
Dec 11 00:00:24 <Sysaxed> does not change the volume at all
Dec 11 00:02:22 <Sysaxed> is there any other way?
Dec 11 00:05:15 <Sysaxed> if you're interested why I'm doing this, I have some sort of a knob that connects to n900 via bluetooth
Dec 11 00:05:24 <Sysaxed> and I want to control the volume by turning it
Dec 11 00:05:54 <Sysaxed> it does work with amixer, but the response time is so wrong...
Dec 11 00:19:16 <tjsolo> hello everyone i cant update my ssu
Dec 11 00:19:31 <tjsolo> it says i should create a backup instead
Dec 11 00:21:18 <tjsolo> anybody in the house
Dec 11 00:22:28 <nox-> it should show the reason somewhere in the menus... (usually too little free space)
Dec 11 00:23:14 <tjsolo> but i have enough space
Dec 11 00:25:01 <tjsolo> so how can i free up the space cause i backed up and yet i still cant update it says i should connect a cable to my commputer which i did and still no luch
Dec 11 00:25:10 <tjsolo> no luck
Dec 11 00:33:55 <nox-> free space on rootfs?  usually you deinstall big (unimportant) packages like some games...
Dec 11 00:35:00 <tjsolo> ok i will but i have very few games but i will still delete the litlle i have
Dec 11 00:36:45 <chainsawbike> nox- been there,done that space is fine ( a few days ago ) 
Dec 11 00:38:10 <nox-> well dunno, check what it complains about then (for me it was too little free space at least)
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