**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 20 03:00:00 2013 Dec 20 04:27:27 merlin1991: Ok, never mind. I did it, I restored the whole thing without reflashing :) Dec 20 04:52:11 hah, now run a fsck against mmcblk0p2 Dec 20 04:52:26 don't use autofix! Dec 20 04:52:33 just *check* Dec 20 08:19:58 When my phone is locked and someone calls me, I don't hear any sound (so, I miss the call). I don't want that to happen. What can I do about that? Dec 20 08:20:07 It's an N900. Dec 20 08:20:44 meeh: move the swap on uSD and install cssu-thumb Dec 20 08:21:30 meeh: and in case you have battery/speedpatch installed - remove them Dec 20 08:21:49 freemangordon: that is a bit too much of a mental leap for me to see the relation between those things. Dec 20 08:22:34 freemangordon: is this documented somewhere? Dec 20 08:22:38 yes Dec 20 08:22:44 ~cssu-thumb Dec 20 08:22:45 hmm... cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb Dec 20 08:22:52 ~swappolube Dec 20 08:22:53 i heard swappolube is http://wiki.maemo.org/Swappolube Dec 20 08:22:59 ~ereswap Dec 20 08:23:00 hmm... ereswap is anti swap-fragmentation tool for maemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84413 Dec 20 08:23:20 freemangordon: I think I am already using that. Dec 20 08:23:28 which one? Dec 20 08:23:31 freemangordon: I noticed a huge improvement. Dec 20 08:23:35 freemangordon: the thumb part Dec 20 08:23:58 meeh: and you still have missed call notifications? Dec 20 08:24:08 that's more than weird Dec 20 08:24:26 freemangordon: the problem is that there is no sound during a locked call screen. Dec 20 08:24:41 meeh: every time? Dec 20 08:24:45 freemangordon: if the phone is not locked, there is sound. Dec 20 08:24:48 freemangordon: every time. Dec 20 08:24:51 ooh Dec 20 08:25:04 freemangordon: it's configured to be in the 'general' profile. Dec 20 08:25:23 freemangordon: please don't suggest advanced expert stuff as fix for basic defects that are not supposed to be seen first instance Dec 20 08:25:32 hmm, something is broken (in SW), AIUI you have 2 options: Dec 20 08:25:52 DocScrutinizer05: which one is advanced? Dec 20 08:26:10 meeh: I have none of the stuff freemangordon suggested and I've never seen that problem Dec 20 08:26:17 meeh: 1. reflash Dec 20 08:26:33 2. install syslog and try to get some info on the problem Dec 20 08:27:03 meeh: missing call sound is not supposed to hapen Dec 20 08:27:03 I think it's just a configuration setting somewhere myself. Dec 20 08:27:13 meeh: most probably Dec 20 08:27:39 Except, I have no idea where and I tried to find it in the manual. Dec 20 08:28:01 but I can;t think of anything but syslog you may try to use to find what the problem is Dec 20 08:28:49 DocScrutinizer05: my fault, I though initially that he is missing the calls only from time to time Dec 20 08:28:56 it seems obvious to look into lockscreen Dec 20 08:29:20 lockscreen is by no means related to the incomming calls Dec 20 08:29:37 obviously it is Dec 20 08:29:48 [2013-12-20 09:24:45] freemangordon: if the phone is not locked, there is sound. Dec 20 08:29:49 [2013-12-20 09:24:48] freemangordon: every time. Dec 20 08:30:16 DocScrutinizer05: well, you may want to check the (C) of the tklock replacement :P Dec 20 08:30:41 no, since I don't have such replacement Dec 20 08:31:25 DocScrutinizer05: but meeh has it Dec 20 08:31:27 I also fail to see how a (C) changes anything regarding this problem Dec 20 08:31:57 I have the password lock system enabled. Dec 20 08:32:04 I also have qtlock installed. Dec 20 08:32:09 meeh: oh Dec 20 08:32:33 I'd guess the latter is the culprit for your issue Dec 20 08:32:38 meeh: try to remove it to see of it will solve the problem Dec 20 08:32:45 *if Dec 20 08:34:15 meeh: as a general rule: maemo5 stock usually works just fine (except for copying large amounts of data between internal storage, and for opening and keeping open websites in browser) Dec 20 08:34:23 DocScrutinizer05: the (C) part is about - I *KNOW* what I am talking about when I talk tklock https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-tklock/source/2f72c1718e53d2ae2506fa37cad9d4195850114a:osso-systemui-tklock.c#L6 Dec 20 08:34:41 any massive defects like the one you encounter are usually caused by additional packages installed by user Dec 20 08:35:15 freemangordon: you don't want me to comment that Dec 20 08:35:36 sure I don't, I was just explaining :) Dec 20 08:35:56 DocScrutinizer05: ok, so remove the password lock or qtlock? Dec 20 08:36:04 the latter Dec 20 08:36:12 no idea what's password lock Dec 20 08:36:13 meeh: wtf is password lock? Dec 20 08:36:14 DocScrutinizer05: password lock is a stock system Dec 20 08:36:24 the device lock? Dec 20 08:36:24 DocScrutinizer05: that you can press a numeric code to unlock it. Dec 20 08:36:28 DocScrutinizer05: yes Dec 20 08:36:31 yeah, that works Dec 20 08:36:43 So, remove qtlock then? Dec 20 08:36:51 yes Dec 20 08:36:53 yes Dec 20 08:37:43 meeh: doesn't qtlock have some functionality similar to the media player widget? Dec 20 08:38:01 so you can play/pause music from it? Dec 20 08:38:20 BWAHAHA good point Dec 20 08:38:21 Sort of, but it does seem to conflict with password lock anyway. Dec 20 08:39:26 meeh: on a side note - if you need some functionality in the stock tklock, just open an enhamcement request on bugs.maemo.org against CSSU Dec 20 08:39:26 cya, time for brinner, maybe make that brunch Dec 20 08:39:35 bye doc Dec 20 08:39:50 meeh: enhancement even Dec 20 08:54:03 Where can I disable the device lock? Dec 20 08:54:36 Such that I don't need to input a password anymore and can just slide to unlock. Dec 20 08:58:58 I'd assume settings -> device lock Dec 20 11:18:10 I had a first cursory look at Jollaphone's RF design - read: antennae. Very interesting Dec 20 11:18:37 the thing is basically crammed with antennae Dec 20 11:19:49 ooh, and it has a mechanical (power?)switch operated by a notch on TOH Dec 20 11:21:29 TOH seems to have a RFID patch glued in. But then, some remarks say the device can't do NFC/RFID at all, until you get a special NFC-enabled TOH for it Dec 20 11:23:17 removing TOH is about as icky a procedure as it been on N900, probably even worse Dec 20 11:23:48 icky? Dec 20 11:24:14 when I'd swap the neutral white TOH for an angry magenta one to show my mood, you could bet that my mood matches the cover, *after* I swapped it Dec 20 11:24:34 I would think that it has NFC support, just that it only has one NFC app, the built-in one that reads the nfc tag on TOH Dec 20 11:24:35 ;-P Dec 20 11:25:57 I mean, this is the general state of NFC everywhere. Here in .fi shops have NFC debit/credit card readers, and banks enthusiastically issue cards with NFC support Dec 20 11:25:58 yeah, that's what I thought as well when I seen that *huge* antenna structure, which isn't exactly the coil you'd expect for 14MHz RFID but nevertheless looks like 14MHz suitable Dec 20 11:26:09 But they're not compatible with eachother :D Dec 20 11:26:20 LOL, great Dec 20 11:26:44 The banks and shops are in a race to deploy the most of THEIR standard so the other is forced to switch Dec 20 11:26:51 guess i'll have to start storing my card in a tinfoil pouch <.< Dec 20 11:27:02 anyway Jolla body has 6 pogopinns in 3 pairs to TOH Dec 20 11:28:22 one pair is puzlling close to a) battery, but b) also to NFC (supposed) antenna and the location where RFID patch seems to sit in TOH Dec 20 11:28:26 Also this is a little bit of a concern of mine when I see people wishing for neo900 NFC and BT LE.. yeah the hardware can be added, fine, but then what, who will write software stack for it? And there'll always be some nfc thing which will lack sw support Dec 20 11:28:31 same for bt le Dec 20 11:29:14 DocScrutinizer05; officially disclosed pins: gnd, 3.3V out, 5V in, 2 x i2c, interrupt Dec 20 11:29:47 there was a picture somewhere on interwebs labeling them Dec 20 11:29:51 maybe even on tmo Dec 20 11:29:53 * DocScrutinizer05 fetches multimeter Dec 20 11:30:02 meh, then not Dec 20 11:30:21 3.3V 100mA max recommended 200mA absolute max, iirc Dec 20 11:30:39 I'd be more iterested in the link rather than the specs Dec 20 11:32:28 OK, the mech switch operated from notch on TOH is NOT a powerswitch Dec 20 11:33:32 does it have a receive diversity antenna too? :-) Dec 20 11:33:55 btw NO visible testpads anywhere Dec 20 11:34:07 ShadowJK: that's what I suspect Dec 20 11:34:47 though I'm still puzzling tpogether the RF properties and design Dec 20 11:35:12 can you do 850 - 2600MHz with a single antenna? would be kinda inefficient for such wide band Dec 20 11:35:21 counting 4 aerials Dec 20 11:35:31 otoh i dont think they've said what bands are supported Dec 20 11:35:54 nah, they design antenna in such a way that it pics the right wave pattern in structure for the frequency Dec 20 11:37:22 and indeed the "wait for info about bands supported and countries it is compliant to to get released later on" is still open Dec 20 11:38:27 either they got a true global multiband design, or they simply ship a design that works for the shipping destination Dec 20 11:38:40 that's more likely Dec 20 11:39:01 global designs (even excluding US) seem rare and expensive Dec 20 11:39:13 which would be quite a bit of a disappointment for those in USA who bought a jolla from ebay Dec 20 11:39:48 Samsung for example also has totally different CPU and RAM amount in different regions for the same phone model Dec 20 11:40:02 yeah, sure Dec 20 11:40:08 see cinterion modules Dec 20 11:40:34 LTE global seems a major problem for the chipset builders Dec 20 11:41:03 Even a single country lte is morphing into pentaband affairs Dec 20 11:41:12 UMTS global been about the limit you reasonably can achieve in a embedded design Dec 20 11:41:44 And then when voice is problematic on lte, you'd need to shut down lte when voice call arrives, or have double set of atennae Dec 20 11:41:59 err Dec 20 11:42:32 yeah, VoLTE isn't widespread technology yet, usually they do fallback-to-3G for voice Dec 20 11:42:38 yes Dec 20 11:42:56 possibly VoLTE never will make it Dec 20 11:43:22 too complex, and carriers don't like it anyway Dec 20 11:44:07 basically it's (SIP)VoIP with builtin automatic accounting Dec 20 11:44:27 and cross-domain authentication Dec 20 11:45:22 so carriers have the hassle with accounting and getting the money for the calls, just to pass it on to the voicecall-providers Dec 20 11:46:10 while same time losing business on own voice3 minutes Dec 20 11:47:24 thus all the LTE carriers rather do fallback-to-3G than offering a VoLTE service that per definition needs to be open to competitor voicecall providers too Dec 20 11:48:49 anyway last 2 days I wish I had a dip-meter ranging from 10MHz (err 100kHz) to 4GHz Dec 20 11:50:00 or maybe a pulse generator that creates needle bursts ranging from 0 to 4GHz harmonics, and a really good spectrum analyzer Dec 20 11:50:25 or at least a proper 2GHz+ stroage scope Dec 20 11:51:14 I probably could improvise the needle burst generator with a piezo spark from a lighter Dec 20 11:51:26 ;-) Dec 20 11:52:26 all the antennae are in pretty weird black thick stickytape patches Dec 20 11:53:59 ooh, the whole thing has at least 11 screws holding it together Dec 20 11:55:21 and there is at least one black sticky patch that doesn't look like antenna Dec 20 11:57:04 cameras seem to be relatively OK, at least compared to what we've seen for N810/N900-front camera Dec 20 11:57:36 [12:26:44] The banks and shops are in a race to deploy the most of THEIR standard so the other is forced to switch Dec 20 11:57:39 lol nice Dec 20 11:58:47 ShadowJK: re NFC and privacy: yes, a huge concern to me too Dec 20 11:59:18 I bet it will be the same with phone nfc payment Dec 20 11:59:23 don't see the issue with BLE though, maybe due to my lack of understanding what exactly BLE does Dec 20 12:00:14 neither apple nor google nor visa nor mastercard will be compatible with the nfc terminals in the shops, and opensource nfc will of course not work with any of those either :P Dec 20 12:00:15 see http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/539/#ic1570 Dec 20 12:00:39 I was under the impression it needed a new software stack Dec 20 12:01:29 BLE? Dec 20 12:08:05 yes Dec 20 13:01:31 Hey maimers. Dec 20 13:01:42 Or, Maimoers, probably. Dec 20 13:07:57 Anyone had luck streaming video from their N900 to PC? Dec 20 13:08:13 I'm following this tutorial, but staring at a blank white canvas - http://blog.pclewis.com/2010/02/streaming-nokia-n900-camera-to-vlc/ Dec 20 13:11:11 I've done it some time ago at least Dec 20 13:11:41 I think I used v4l2loopback Dec 20 13:12:43 * narcos Googles that Dec 20 13:20:48 hmm... I have some script on my n900 that essentially runs gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video2 ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.1.113 port=5434 Dec 20 13:21:07 I don't have the pc side script handy right now tho... Dec 20 13:21:46 not sure actually if that was the one I used then...need to check Dec 20 13:24:06 Ya I'm using the same Dec 20 13:24:25 I can see the UDP data flying over the network now with tshark, so I think it's VLC that's failing to decode it Dec 20 13:24:35 ah actually now I remember, the loopback was because I wanted to use n900 as a webcam Dec 20 13:25:02 I seem to remember no big probs using vlc to watch the stream but it was some time ago Dec 20 13:26:23 does this work any better? gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=$HOST port=$PORT Dec 20 13:26:58 (of course make sure camera lid is open heh) :) Dec 20 13:31:14 Sorry, connection dropped. Dec 20 13:31:22 Last thing I said: Dec 20 13:31:24 hehe, yes, it's open. Can you remember how you catch it with VLC? I have a .sdp file with v=0 m=video 5434 RTP/AVP 96 c=IN IP4 192.168.1.100 a=rtpmap:96 H264/90000 Dec 20 13:31:40 (1524 joga) ah actually now I remember, the loopback was because I wanted to use n900 as a webcam Dec 20 13:31:42 But that's for me gstream of: Dec 20 13:31:43 (1525 joga) I seem to remember no big probs using vlc to watch the stream but it was some time ago Dec 20 13:31:44 gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.1.102 port=5434 Dec 20 13:31:46 (1526 joga) does this work any better? gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=$HOST port=$PORT Dec 20 13:32:01 (also make sure camera lid is open if using video0) Dec 20 13:32:09 and on the PC side? Dec 20 13:33:12 I forget if there was anything fancy in the sdp file but if the port is ok etc it probably should work, but I haven't messed with those in some time so not sure Dec 20 13:33:58 OK - I'm fiddling some more Dec 20 13:34:18 what I think I did was use gst-launch on pc side to stuff it into v4l2loopback device but not entirely sure anymore, I do have a linux .iso that has the feature though heh Dec 20 13:36:43 ahhh, sounds clever :) Dec 20 13:38:26 Weird, the VLC progress bar is moving, but I don't see a video Dec 20 13:39:21 lid is open? ;) Dec 20 14:21:34 Right, next is to get it to stream to my Nexus Android tablet.... Dec 20 14:46:39 Hmm, VLC on Android gives a blank screen, then exits Dec 20 14:47:23 I wonder if I can get the n900 to create a local web server streaming the media... Dec 20 14:47:28 so the client just has to be a browser Dec 20 15:26:57 Man, my connection is flakey. Dec 20 15:27:15 Please remind me how to start a script on boot? Dec 20 15:27:23 I have one starting, but can't remember how I got it to work Dec 20 15:28:57 ah - /etc/event.d/ Dec 20 15:28:58 maybe added to /etc/rc.local? or some /etc/init.d? or some upstart job? Dec 20 15:35:54 t3st3r: event.d works nicely - as I can run the script in a visible terminal after the desktop loads Dec 20 15:36:10 Right, so now when the n900 starts it'll stream video to my laptop Dec 20 15:36:35 ?which means I'll hopefully get a nice video feed from 400 feet up in the air Dec 20 15:44:38 upstart jobs are good for daemons only, basically Dec 20 15:44:58 you should use xsession startup stuff Dec 20 15:45:09 for apps that run on "desktop" Dec 20 15:47:39 IIRC he haves some camera streaming stuff which is hardly something "desktop" Dec 20 15:49:29 ooh, then upstart is just fine :-) Dec 20 16:00:50 Win7Mac: please use irc to contact warfare Dec 20 16:02:21 warfare: and by the way this been NOT "a promise *I* made"! Dec 20 16:02:56 this been a part of the "contract" that Falk offered to maemo/HiFo Dec 20 16:03:22 the only promise I made was I'd try to handle that on HiFo's behalf Dec 20 16:03:37 it turned out I can't Dec 20 16:03:41 sorry Dec 20 16:04:24 I'm defintely not asking you for a private favor Dec 20 16:08:05 I wonder what for you need Falk anyway Dec 20 16:08:27 how hard van it be to look up the phone number of IPHH in HH phonebook? Dec 20 16:08:44 and to give them a call, asking for bank account details Dec 20 16:11:33 "hallo, guten tag! Hier ist Guido von maemo, wir haben einen server bei eich koloziert und wir wollten mal anfragen auf welches konto wir die naechste vertragsrate ueberweisen duerfen. Oh am besten spreche ich wohl mit $hat-den-vertrag-unterzeichnet, weil ich euch auch noch was zu weihnachten vorbeibringen wollte" Dec 20 16:12:49 "oh, das hat Falk Stern mit euch ausgehandelt damals" Dec 20 16:13:12 "Hildon Foundation steht auf dem Vertrag" Dec 20 16:18:31 uuh maemo.org is hostet in HH?! Dec 20 16:18:41 yes Dec 20 16:19:42 since 10 months Dec 20 16:20:47 nice, never expected that Dec 20 16:21:27 courtesy warfare aka Falk Stern, and the great crew of IPHH.com Dec 20 16:22:18 IPHH.net actually Dec 20 16:22:59 Win7Mac: http://www.iphh.net/de/kontakt.html Dec 20 16:23:08 040 37 49 19-0 Dec 20 22:02:29 ~dev Dec 20 22:02:36 ~tablets-dev Dec 20 22:02:37 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ or http://tabletsdev.maemo.org Dec 21 02:43:36 heading home for the holiday break. will be back on once setup :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 21 02:59:59 2013