**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 21 02:59:59 2013 Dec 21 07:08:09 hah, Friday night at USA westcoast? Dec 21 07:27:00 yes Dec 21 07:27:05 for a little longer Dec 21 08:26:19 anyone know a way to get irreco working again, the DB has been down for years afaik Dec 21 08:26:38 or maybe the path it uses is just invalid now Dec 21 08:33:25 Psi: have you tried Pierogi? It's not the same but includes large number of IR devices in app. Dec 21 08:39:21 sixwheeledbeast: hm.. will try now thx Dec 21 08:39:32 Psi: what's it for? Dec 21 08:40:05 i.e. what do you wish to control Dec 21 08:40:23 my room lighting Dec 21 08:40:28 and a few TV's Dec 21 08:41:12 most TV's are not problem. How is your room lighting connected to IR? Dec 21 08:41:57 its fine, i built it, so coded the MCU to use the same IR codes as some random device i found in the DB :P Dec 21 08:44:32 PSI: Ok well you can't change the timing in Pierogi. You will have to pick a keyset panel, maybe the camera one, then change the timings at your end not Pierogi's Dec 21 08:45:46 if pierogi uses the same IR DB as irreco it will have the device i used in the list Dec 21 08:45:51 and i think it does Dec 21 08:49:06 If you know the device I can check for you? Dec 21 08:54:28 its just called DAT in irreco Dec 21 08:54:38 i think its some digital tape system Dec 21 08:55:27 actually i think i might have edited the file to change the button names. but meh Dec 21 08:55:40 im not worried about getting that going Dec 21 09:01:11 Psi: I doubt that is in Pierogi but you can recode your MCU to something in Pierogi if you like. Dec 21 09:03:34 yeah Dec 21 09:03:51 http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/sony/DAT Dec 21 09:06:31 yeah, not in pierogi, i think the sony model number starts with DTC and thers's none of those Dec 21 09:13:17 anyone maintains pierogi? Dec 21 09:16:09 got mine bootlooping again. without any possible reasons.. Dec 21 09:16:59 this time I got abt 3 months without flashing.. :) Dec 21 09:24:30 SAiF: Yes, there is a maintainer. Device bootlooping? Dec 21 09:25:47 ..yes n900 bootloopng again. I dont remember any recent changes i made Dec 21 09:26:19 may be because Its a while since I flashed. Dec 21 09:26:59 some package update? Dec 21 09:27:58 not in the last week. Dec 21 09:28:08 what happened is.. Dec 21 09:29:49 n900 got switched off in the night. That automatic wifi will drain battery, an I was using heavily in the day time. In the morning without bothering to charge it I put the sim in another phone. Now when I charge it without sim, Its bootlooping. Dec 21 09:30:28 Psi: try the power key search feature in Pierogi to see if you can find a something with that code. Dec 21 09:31:16 ~flatbattrecover Dec 21 09:31:48 ~flatbatrecover Dec 21 09:31:49 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. Dec 21 09:31:58 SAiF: ^^ Dec 21 09:33:19 sixwheeledbeast: thanks will try that Dec 21 09:34:11 this does NOT fix botlooping, as is clearly stated in a footnote I recently added! Dec 21 09:34:23 ~bootloop Dec 21 09:34:24 i heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. Dec 21 09:35:02 Actualy I think its no bootloop, more like flatbatrecover. Dec 21 09:35:05 I suspect's it not a bootloop Dec 21 09:35:11 :) Dec 21 09:35:12 exactly Dec 21 09:35:31 How can you damage rootfs if device is off! Dec 21 09:35:53 Without a hammer Dec 21 09:35:56 ;) Dec 21 09:36:03 :) Dec 21 09:36:06 you usualy damage it when device is up and running, and it *shows* on next boot Dec 21 09:36:42 pretty easy, any silly fsckup in initscripts or mudules will do Dec 21 09:36:46 modules* Dec 21 09:37:29 both won't stop a booted system from working normally. But it reliably casues bootloop on next boot Dec 21 09:39:18 It could be a ~bootloop, however, if SAiF knows he hasn't been playing with or installing anything best to try ~flatbatrecover first IMO. I was sure he is capable of reading the CAVEAT Dec 21 09:39:32 my desktop is dead :( Dec 21 09:39:42 oh dear Dec 21 09:39:59 dead in the sense? Dec 21 09:40:05 hw failure? Dec 21 09:40:09 doesn't boot Dec 21 09:40:13 PSU? Dec 21 09:40:27 most probably mobo Dec 21 09:40:33 ooh Dec 21 09:40:39 or HDD failure Dec 21 09:40:54 you get any signal while trying to boot? Dec 21 09:41:06 HDD will still give you bios setup screen Dec 21 09:41:09 it tries to boot Dec 21 09:41:19 but there are lots of hdd errors Dec 21 09:41:33 both win and ubuntu fail to boot Dec 21 09:41:33 dang Dec 21 09:41:41 then HDD. Dec 21 09:41:47 yep Dec 21 09:41:55 but i suspect its the mobo Dec 21 09:42:01 no, as I have 2 hdds Dec 21 09:42:32 and both throw errors? Dec 21 09:42:34 most probably it is the hdd controller Dec 21 09:42:38 yes Dec 21 09:42:44 check your PSU Dec 21 09:42:50 it shoudl be ok Dec 21 09:42:52 try live cd? Dec 21 09:42:59 SAiF: what for? Dec 21 09:43:06 after disconnecting HDDs. Dec 21 09:43:07 Yep I agree test PSU Dec 21 09:43:09 good morning Dec 21 09:43:15 often +12V freaking out causes this Dec 21 09:43:24 I just bought a new mobo+cpu+etc Dec 21 09:43:55 I don;t think it is the PSU Dec 21 09:44:22 mobo is about 4-5 years old Dec 21 09:44:33 ckeck the voltages in live monitoring PSU in BIOS Dec 21 09:44:46 hmm, I will Dec 21 09:45:07 you suspect 12V is not 12V? Dec 21 09:45:24 I suspect it might have glitches or noise Dec 21 09:45:37 hmm Dec 21 09:45:40 would show in unsteady readout for 12V voltage Dec 21 09:46:06 btw this failure is a result of a power loss Dec 21 09:46:11 also when 12V is off by more than 5% it's suspicious Dec 21 09:46:30 hmmmm Dec 21 09:46:38 yep Dec 21 09:46:45 PSU is pretty sensible to such events Dec 21 09:47:03 PSU is very good one Dec 21 09:47:20 power loss often goes hand in hand with bursts and overvoltage on mains line Dec 21 09:47:32 But there could of been a surge on reconnection Dec 21 09:47:37 yep, that is why I suspect it is the mobo Dec 21 09:48:03 the mobo usually doesn't see the surges on mains. that's why you got a PSU Dec 21 09:48:06 ;-) Dec 21 09:48:14 DocScrutinizer05: it was not central power loss, I switched it off by accident Dec 21 09:48:21 oh Dec 21 09:48:23 * sixwheeledbeast hugs his APC UPS Dec 21 09:48:46 yeah, maybe it is about time to by ups finally :) Dec 21 09:48:59 buy even Dec 21 09:49:11 err switched off what? PC or fuse? Dec 21 09:49:18 your flat? Dec 21 09:49:19 outlet :) Dec 21 09:49:25 doh Dec 21 09:50:04 hmm, well, I'll buy a new PSU too Dec 21 09:50:06 when there been multiple devices you switched then odds are recoil from one killed the other Dec 21 09:50:41 there is only one printer supply connected to the same outlet Dec 21 09:50:48 220->12 Dec 21 09:50:50 hmm, then not Dec 21 09:51:20 oh, and the speakers. but i don't think either of those could cause damage to the PC PSU Dec 21 09:51:21 inkjet printer? Dec 21 09:51:25 yes Dec 21 09:51:38 and the monitor Dec 21 09:51:43 nothing more Dec 21 09:51:46 anyway, get a usb<->SATA(?) adapter and do a physical image of both your HDD *first* Dec 21 09:51:51 using another PC Dec 21 09:52:07 yes, my new mobo+cpu+ram :0 Dec 21 09:52:11 :) Dec 21 09:52:37 btw we just had a blade-a/b ALARM Dec 21 09:52:39 ;-P Dec 21 09:52:52 dammit, I was planning to spend some time on maemo/kernel these days :( Dec 21 09:52:53 maybe this is HDDs-act-up day Dec 21 09:53:06 yeah, maybe Dec 21 09:53:16 some cosmic rays :D Dec 21 09:53:23 gamma-ray bursts Dec 21 09:53:28 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at his HDD Dec 21 09:53:43 lock it in the basement :P Dec 21 09:53:52 ohplease no gamma rays! those will erase the flash in my SSD Dec 21 09:56:39 * DocScrutinizer05 once more got his baffled 2 minutes, looking at a 16GB uSD and figuring how many of those would fit into a CD cover or even in a 50MB HDD as of 1990 Dec 21 09:57:16 * DocScrutinizer05 starts to feel old Dec 21 09:58:55 oh man, i'd be totally bummed if I had to buy a new PSU. Dec 21 10:00:30 well, if it is the PSU I'll be happy, despite I've just spent 500 euros on new compunents Dec 21 10:00:39 you can get 64GB and probably 128GB uSD cards Dec 21 10:00:40 *components Dec 21 10:00:55 Seasonic power supplies are expensive :/ Dec 21 10:01:22 Psi: I don't need to go to extremes like 128GB uSD and 5MB HDD Dec 21 10:01:48 it feels bizarre enough using pretty standard values Dec 21 10:02:06 not only bizarre, actually like unreal Dec 21 10:02:16 Hurrian: hmm, what "expensive" is supposed to mean? Dec 21 10:02:47 the most expensive PSU I can find here is about 30 euros Dec 21 10:03:00 hah Dec 21 10:03:08 freemangordon: >$100 - my system's power supply is a Seasonic X-660. Dec 21 10:03:15 check the PSUs in maemo server ;-P Dec 21 10:03:44 they probably have their own PC built in for management Dec 21 10:03:48 well, well, it is desktop PC after all, not rack mounted blade with spare PSUs :) Dec 21 10:03:56 given how expensive the rest of the components in my system, i really should buy a UPS, but a good UPS is almost the cost of half a tower D: Dec 21 10:04:02 *half another desktop tower Dec 21 10:04:48 and do NOTuse cheap UPS, they usually cause more damage than they fight Dec 21 10:04:52 DocScrutinizer05: those are some fancy PSUs - server PSUs I've adapted for ATX look like ATX power supplies, but with really big heatsinks :P Dec 21 10:05:29 DocScrutinizer05: my PSU clearly recommends using mains, but if it cannot be avoided, power input must be true sine wave. Dec 21 10:05:33 actually it seems PC components are pretty cheap here, I bought mobo+4 cores i5+ 16G of ram +2TB hdd for under 500 euros Dec 21 10:06:14 yeah, I can monitor them for voltage current, input (mains) voltage, Watt, temperature, fan speed, whatnot else Dec 21 10:07:36 efficiency (of course, from all the other values) Dec 21 10:08:12 but i failed to do this since at least 6 months now ;-S Dec 21 10:08:22 DocScrutinizer05: I assume they're all 80+ efficiency power supplies? ;) Dec 21 10:08:30 sure Dec 21 10:09:12 though our maemo server is pretty humble: some <200W, often closer to 100W iirc Dec 21 10:11:31 As suggested in this room - i tried to install i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel on my nokia n900 and it says "Incompitable application package" Dec 21 10:12:01 i did this because i wanted to install usb host mode application and it says unmet dependencies Dec 21 10:12:32 so the team here suggested to manually install i2ctools and then do a apt-get install host mode app Dec 21 10:39:19 knock knoc Dec 21 10:39:23 ! ! ! Dec 21 12:15:55 anybody there ? Dec 21 12:15:59 As suggested in this room - i tried to install i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel on my nokia n900 and it says "Incompitable application package" Dec 21 12:16:04 i did this because i wanted to install usb host mode application and it says unmet dependencies Dec 21 12:16:08 so the team here suggested to manually install i2ctools and then do a apt-get install host mode app Dec 21 13:04:03 it seems the SSL certs on the thing are what i'd like to call "really fucking outdated" - it's causing things like git clones on the device to fail Dec 21 13:06:07 how can i get new certs? Dec 21 13:11:46 err Dec 21 13:12:20 first I guess you need to literally get them from somewhere Dec 21 13:13:36 then one you got them there are commands to add them to the cert database on device. Ask freemangordon who iirc has done some work regarding this, for the cert needed for supl.nokia.com Dec 21 15:16:24 Hello, I have a problem with maemo fremantle sdk. Where I can find an */eula/token.php mirror? Dec 21 15:17:38 both http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/token.php and nokia page are down Dec 21 15:25:53 hmm Dec 21 15:26:10 don't know if i'm helping you with what you need.. Dec 21 15:26:32 ~tablets-dev Dec 21 15:26:33 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ or http://tabletsdev.maemo.org Dec 21 15:26:46 * Sicelo is trying to set this up Dec 21 15:27:14 DocScrutinizer05: it turned out to be the PSU. Dec 21 15:27:30 HARR! :-) Dec 21 15:27:54 believe an old copper eating fart Dec 21 15:28:05 at least it booted with the new PSU, will see how it'll continue Dec 21 15:28:36 DocScrutinizer05: sure, but I *HAD* to buy new mobo etc, just in case it is not the PSU Dec 21 15:28:46 nah, you should immediately switch back to old PSU and check if the error is reproducable Dec 21 15:28:47 Sicelo: "This maemo.org page got discontinued, please call yout Nokia customer care." Dec 21 15:29:16 DocScrutinizer05: no, I wont risk further corruption of filesystmes Dec 21 15:29:39 it took 2 reboots for NTFS to recover Dec 21 15:29:46 hmm, I don't think there would be much further corruption. You have to run thorough fsck anyway Dec 21 15:29:56 ooh Dec 21 15:30:02 NTFS ;-S Dec 21 15:30:33 and the cherry - the partition my SB wmware is is FAT32 ;) Dec 21 15:30:44 so no, I won't risk it :) Dec 21 15:30:45 ah and another question - Is there a plans with the new cssu to be on the newer kernel? 3.11/13 or something? Dec 21 15:30:52 As long as you don't switch it off at the outlet, you'll be fine testing the old one. ;) Dec 21 15:30:53 I heard some rumors.. Dec 21 15:30:57 spoofy: yes, there are plans Dec 21 15:31:09 but not enough developers ;) Dec 21 15:31:24 sixwheeledbeast: no, the PSU seems busted Dec 21 15:31:43 The "so called" "closed nokia modules" are the main problem? Dec 21 15:31:43 and both HDDs fail with it Dec 21 15:31:52 what? new kernel for CSSU? that's pretty silly an idea Dec 21 15:31:53 spoofy: i think the skeiron one worked yesterday when i checked Dec 21 15:31:54 spoofy: there are no closed nokia modules Dec 21 15:32:07 So what is the biggest problem? Dec 21 15:32:14 the so called "upstream kernal" is the main problem Dec 21 15:32:19 *kernel Dec 21 15:32:43 spoofy: you don't want your battery to last 2 hours, ain't? Dec 21 15:32:48 If the error is reproducible as Doc says then dropkick the PSU. Dec 21 15:33:01 freemangordon: I have a polarcell and dc-16 Dec 21 15:33:16 god damn it... I can pay that price Dec 21 15:33:30 sixwheeledbeast: I'll bring it to my office, we have experienced guys and lots of scopes etc there Dec 21 15:33:33 I tried so hard to update some pacakges - like webkit, ruby etc Dec 21 15:33:48 but I always ended up with old kernel dep. Dec 21 15:33:48 spoofy: and why do you need newer kernel for that? Dec 21 15:34:00 :nod: Dec 21 15:35:30 So.. cssu with newer kernel is just a dream? Dec 21 15:35:38 freemangordon: scope sounds good, yeah Dec 21 15:35:51 spoofy: no, but it takes time Dec 21 15:36:03 Is it related with neo900 project? Dec 21 15:36:09 freemangordon: make sure you give the thing proper load on output when testing it Dec 21 15:36:11 yep Dec 21 15:36:16 Ok. Thank u Dec 21 15:36:27 scope on output without load will not show anything useful Dec 21 15:36:58 DocScrutinizer05: my coleagues are the guys who support ~95% of the ATMs here, they know how to test a PSU ;) Dec 21 15:37:34 spoofy: I like to disagree with freemangordon here, CSSU shouldn't move on to newer kernel, since it's pretty unclear why N900 would need that Dec 21 15:38:02 DocScrutinizer05: because we lack the manpower to support 2 CSSUs Dec 21 15:38:04 The whole fremantle need to be upgraded Dec 21 15:38:26 that's the main reason why cssu shuld be moved to newer kernel Dec 21 15:38:29 DocScrutinizer05: but I don;t want to argue on that right now :) Dec 21 15:38:50 freemangordon: you lack the manpower to suuport even one CSSU, when that means it ships with new completely different kernel Dec 21 15:39:16 I am still happy with my desktop being resurrected Dec 21 15:39:45 tbh atm it seems we lack manpower to support CSSU at the stage and state it's right now Dec 21 15:39:53 yeah :( Dec 21 15:40:12 17:31 but not enough developers ;) Dec 21 15:40:39 sure, since all developers are "wasting time" on 3.12 kernel ;-P Dec 21 15:41:11 wasting time... eh Dec 21 15:41:26 DocScrutinizer05: there is more than enough material for a new update, and I really hope merlin1991 will put it out before 2015 :D Dec 21 15:41:51 spoofy: well, yeah. There's no need for new kernel for fremantle CSSU-S/T Dec 21 15:42:11 spoofy: there is 3.13 kernel on gitorious for n900, only cameras are not working Dec 21 15:42:31 and there are lots of other issues as well, but relatively minor Dec 21 15:43:06 Ok. Please tell me why in your opinion - there's no need for new kernel, huh? Dec 21 15:43:22 we might need or at least want or prefer new kernel for Neo900 Dec 21 15:43:44 why not n900 as a proof of concept? Dec 21 15:43:50 spoofy: no, you tell me why you think there IS any such need Dec 21 15:44:30 becouse I need newer pacakeges - like newer gstreamer, newer ruby, python, webkit etc. etc. Dec 21 15:44:35 spoofy: do you suggest we deploy a proof of concept to 30,000 devices using CSSU as their major update repository? Dec 21 15:44:56 spoofy: feel free to help :P https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/source/3cf2f2bd14225bca511c72b2631019443dd17e12: Dec 21 15:45:31 I don't know how you would like to deploy it. Not a stable version that's for sure Dec 21 15:45:45 when YOU need such newer packages then YOU need to install that newer kernel on YOUR device, from whatever source you can find. That's largely unrelated to what CSSU is meant to provide to the majority of maemo N900 users Dec 21 15:45:46 as a stable version* Dec 21 15:46:05 spoofy: DocScrutinizer05 has a point here Dec 21 15:46:36 I think many n900 users want to have their devices to be 'functional'. Dec 21 15:46:48 we may setup a repo with newer kernel and adaptation packages Dec 21 15:46:57 to be installed on top of CSSU Dec 21 15:46:58 CSSU is *not* factory/experimental Dec 21 15:47:09 cssu thumb is Dec 21 15:47:13 yes Dec 21 15:47:15 no, it is not Dec 21 15:47:20 ok, not Dec 21 15:47:21 ... Dec 21 15:47:23 :-) Dec 21 15:47:24 holy war :) Dec 21 15:47:51 cssu thumb is fu**ing awsome but it's unstable as hell Dec 21 15:47:52 no, really, cssu-thumb is *not* experimental for more than an year Dec 21 15:47:57 so it IS experimental Dec 21 15:48:01 spoofy: whaaat? Dec 21 15:48:12 IMHO of course Dec 21 15:48:17 nevermind Dec 21 15:48:41 spoofy: it is exactly as stable as cssu-testing is Dec 21 15:48:51 should be Dec 21 15:49:09 unless you run it on a non-thombified kernel ;-P Dec 21 15:49:17 yeah :) Dec 21 15:49:18 then for sure it's unstable like hell Dec 21 15:51:12 I think that you forget about the "functionality". Have you ever tried to update such a thing like webkit? For eg. the midori developer relesed newer versions with "maemo compatibility" but no one ever tried to build newer midori. The main reason for that is midori need a newer webkit, but newer webkit need newer gstreamer and so long... Dec 21 15:52:25 o.O Dec 21 15:52:39 spoofy: well, upstream gecko builds in fremantle SB, I don;t see why webkit can't be ported either Dec 21 15:53:03 Just.. try it yourself. Dec 21 15:53:17 webkit? Dec 21 15:53:22 yeap Dec 21 15:53:26 haha, I see what you're doing there! ;-P Dec 21 15:53:44 if I need it someday, I will , for sure Dec 21 15:53:53 until then... Dec 21 15:54:12 eh.. hard life of n900 lover... Dec 21 15:54:16 freemangordon: I bet damn xchar with python plugin and tab close button lower left removed can't get compiled on fremantle! Dec 21 15:54:22 xchat even Dec 21 15:54:38 X-P Dec 21 15:54:49 :D Dec 21 15:56:33 Ok. Now you can tell me how can I install scratchbox with nokia-binaries and fremantle target? maemo_sdk_blah_gui_script.py yelling about eula token. Dec 21 15:56:54 damn Dec 21 15:57:20 a) I think the gui installer doesn't really work, probably never did Dec 21 15:57:27 use the script Dec 21 15:57:51 spoofy: read the insctructions on maemo wiki ;) http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Dec 21 15:58:00 *instructions Dec 21 15:58:05 freemangordon: thx. I read it few times. Dec 21 15:58:13 b) if that script has any references to tabletsdev.nokia.com you might want to check them and maybe change them to skeiron Dec 21 15:58:16 and http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 if you need a -thumb target Dec 21 15:58:39 and yes, gui installer sucks on the newest debian sid. Xephyr newer worked propertly Dec 21 15:58:59 spoofy: or just use the VMWare SDK image ;) Dec 21 15:59:16 seems a very popular alternative indeed Dec 21 15:59:37 Also I had an issue with linaro target. I had to export something what I found on tmo. Dec 21 15:59:53 something about arm..blah nvm Dec 21 16:04:29 * Sicelo just hopes the SB script will work fine on Debian Wheezy Dec 21 16:04:44 It will Dec 21 16:05:00 great then. about to finish installing the vm Dec 21 16:05:15 Ah I had issue with libgtk-2.0-0 Dec 21 16:05:27 I had to export PIXMAN_DISABLE=arm-neon Dec 21 16:05:56 spoofy: yeah, qemu doesn't like neon instructions :) Dec 21 16:15:13 Can I ask you one more question freemangordon ? Dec 21 16:15:24 sure, go ahead Dec 21 16:15:36 What do you realy think about mer/sailfish os? Dec 21 16:16:28 nothing :). the last thing I've tried was nemo on n900 and it was not good IMO Dec 21 16:17:18 Yeah.. couse IMHO fremantle is just a good arm debian true linux distro. Sailfish (IMHO) is not a true linux distro. Dec 21 16:17:38 If u know what I (in my lame english) mean.. Dec 21 16:17:57 I suspect that to be true, but can't really comment as I've never tried sailfish Dec 21 16:18:47 You think neo900 will success? Or It will be dead/zombie like openmoko Dec 21 16:19:10 afaik sailfish is true linux for the backend (unlike android which runs something weird), but the frontend is completely closed-source Dec 21 16:19:27 i.e. the nemo parts are open, the UI/whatever is not Dec 21 16:19:29 spoofy: though AFAIK jolla didn't promise a "true linux distro" :) Dec 21 16:19:34 yeap - sailfish os = meros + closed sailfish ui Dec 21 16:20:02 I'm a little concerned whether or not this means that CSSU will, unlike in N900, be completely impossible for jollas Dec 21 16:20:20 *something like CSSU Dec 21 16:20:23 FIQ: see n9/50 ;) Dec 21 16:20:31 Eh.. I dream about a phone with open linux platform with hw keyboard where I can just type apt-get and install whatever I want to... Dec 21 16:20:46 spoofy: get neo900 ;) Dec 21 16:20:49 spoofy: neo900 Dec 21 16:20:52 Yeah but.. Dec 21 16:20:56 when it is out ofc Dec 21 16:20:56 I don't know.. Dec 21 16:21:04 freemangordon: I'm not that involved in n9/50 at all so I dunno how it is like there :p Dec 21 16:21:19 but afaik, that odd meego/maemo hybrid called harmattan is open? Dec 21 16:21:24 FIQ: me neither, but AFAIK there is no CSSU Dec 21 16:21:28 well, open enough to be able to provide cssu updates Dec 21 16:21:38 whether or not people actually *do* that is another question though Dec 21 16:21:55 FIQ: remember - aegis Dec 21 16:22:03 freemangordon: isn't that more of a "people haven't bothered" rather than impossible? Dec 21 16:22:15 can't you deactivate aegis via flasher? Dec 21 16:22:21 FIQ: for sure nothing is impossible Dec 21 16:22:39 FIQ: no idea, my n950 gathers dust in the drawer :D Dec 21 16:22:51 neo900 is just a hardware. IMO fremantle need to be upgraded to be more popular. Dec 21 16:23:03 freemangordon: sorry, what I meant was, isn't is as possible as on N900, just that people bothered to keep N900 alive, but nothing happened for n9/50 Dec 21 16:23:32 afaik aegis deactivation is as easy as a flasher flag, but perhaps I'm wrong on that Dec 21 16:24:06 qt5 ui, candy look - everything is sweet but... How it works under the hood - that is important Dec 21 16:24:13 ^ about sailfish Dec 21 16:24:13 spoofy: what do you mean, upgraded? Dec 21 16:24:23 @fremantle Dec 21 16:24:29 not again :D I mean newer versions of everything Dec 21 16:24:35 well Dec 21 16:24:39 there's CSSU Dec 21 16:24:43 * FIQ doesn't get it Dec 21 16:25:01 fremantle didn't stop being updated just because nokia jumped ship Dec 21 16:25:29 just like diablo was still getting updates (iirc) for a while after nokia stopped caring, until N900 was released at least Dec 21 16:25:37 Eh. Nobody understands me. I feel like an emo :D Dec 21 16:26:33 Maybe I'm stiupid but I see potential of fremantle as an debian based arm distro. Dec 21 16:27:03 spoofy: you can actually install fremantle on a few ARM devices, but it is hardly stable Dec 21 16:27:14 like raspi? Dec 21 16:27:17 "a few" being like, really few Dec 21 16:27:35 like what? Dec 21 16:29:21 http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started Dec 21 16:29:39 Ah, about jolla phone - anybody knows is it "open" like n900? I mean bootloader and that kinda stuff. Is it possible (in theory) to install harmattan on jolla phone? Dec 21 16:30:15 spoofy: there is a post on TMO about the bootloader Dec 21 16:30:41 I am not sure I grok it :) Dec 21 16:31:13 spoofy: not sure it works on non-omap devices though, or if it'll break horribly :p (but given that even semi-similar devices have major bugs...) Dec 21 16:31:43 spoofy: as FIQ said, the last update of fremantle was a month or so ago (minor), a bigger update is comming soon Dec 21 16:32:18 which will bring things like newer libglib, e2fsprogs etc Dec 21 16:32:56 so I don;t see how is fremantle being "orphaned" or something Dec 21 16:32:58 Ok ;) For now on on holidays I'll try to finish my little project - ppp. It will bring some newer packages like nmap, ruby etc. Dec 21 16:33:18 hmm, nmap is in repos since ages afaik Dec 21 16:33:27 old version Dec 21 16:33:31 pretty much recent version iirc Dec 21 16:33:43 hmm, lemme check Dec 21 16:33:52 please check it Dec 21 16:34:06 spoofy: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=7694 someone also tried to boot maemo directly w/o any tinkering on RPi and failed (allthough he points out that he lacks knowledge to test further) Dec 21 16:34:43 not sure if this answers your question on whether or not fremantle is relevant as a general debian arm distro Dec 21 16:35:02 Eh. I would like to see fremantle as an alternative distro for raspi like devices Dec 21 16:35:04 spoofy: in extras-devel is 5-11 Dec 21 16:35:14 ops Dec 21 16:35:16 freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1313269&postcount=27 Dec 21 16:35:18 5.59 Dec 21 16:35:29 Now I have the newest Dec 21 16:35:36 great Dec 21 16:36:59 spoofy: anyway, newer libglib will open the door for newer gstreamer in CSSU Dec 21 16:37:36 spoofy: the point being - slowly but steady newer versions are comming Dec 21 16:37:43 Good to hear. I'll try compile and .deb as much as I can on the holidays. Dec 21 16:37:56 freemangordon: have the dsp codecs already been ported to gst1.0? Dec 21 16:37:58 spoofy: hmm, what about the autobuilder? Dec 21 16:37:58 Maybe something will be useful Dec 21 16:38:15 Defiant: never tried gst1.0 Dec 21 16:38:37 Defiant: though I don;t think it will be much of a problem. however I don;t see the point Dec 21 16:38:50 freemangordon: you just spoke of newer gstreamer Dec 21 16:39:02 I don't think fremantle will ever throw .10 away Dec 21 16:39:18 Anyway I must go. Thank you very much for a talk freemangordon :) Dec 21 16:39:36 well, 0.10.36 is newer that 0.10.20 (iirc the stock version) Dec 21 16:39:41 spoofy: np Dec 21 16:39:43 cya :) Dec 21 16:39:50