**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 24 03:00:00 2013
Dec 24 09:28:34 <Sicelo> hi. i would like to get help with a certificate problem..
Dec 24 09:28:42 <Sicelo> http://paste.debian.net/72328
Dec 24 09:29:14 <Sicelo> i would like to remove the offending certificate. it's blocking me from connecting to my work wi-i
Dec 24 09:29:22 <Sicelo> *wi-fi
Dec 24 09:30:01 <Sicelo> freemangordon: would you be able to help?
Dec 24 10:03:11 <freemangordon> Sicelo: hmm, can't you just remove that certificate from the control panel?
Dec 24 10:03:47 <freemangordon> "settings->certificate manager" that is
Dec 24 12:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Happy Christmas!
Dec 24 12:44:37 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: +1
Dec 24 12:44:40 <DocScrutinizer05> err Merry Christmas
Dec 24 12:45:07 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: good day to do some real work ;-)
Dec 24 12:45:16 <DocScrutinizer05> get some real work done
Dec 24 12:46:01 <DocScrutinizer05> like http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/541/
Dec 24 12:47:25 <M4rtinK> exactly! :)
Dec 24 12:47:32 <DocScrutinizer05> took a few hours to check the stuff on N900, see what filter criteria might help to spot compliant parts on digikey, and finally review the 741 parts the filters returned
Dec 24 12:47:50 <M4rtinK> will hopefully get modRana development moving again :)
Dec 24 12:48:00 <M4rtinK> heh
Dec 24 12:48:27 <M4rtinK> when you finish, ~30 of them will be already discontinued :)
Dec 24 12:48:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I like that one http://rohmfs.rohm.com/en/products/databook/datasheet/opto/led/chip_multi/msl0201rgb.pdf for multicolor Neo900 kbd backlight
Dec 24 12:49:10 <DocScrutinizer05> pick the color of backlight you like
Dec 24 12:50:01 <M4rtinK> nice! :)
Dec 24 12:50:30 <M4rtinK> could be even useful - IIRC red light is better for night vision
Dec 24 12:50:37 <M4rtinK> also bling :)
Dec 24 12:54:10 <DocScrutinizer05> bling?
Dec 24 12:54:48 <M4rtinK> I think it is some sort of slang word for shiny things
Dec 24 12:54:57 <DocScrutinizer05> aah
Dec 24 12:55:28 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, stuff with many joyful colors always sells better
Dec 24 12:56:25 <M4rtinK> unless it's a ThinkPad :)
Dec 24 12:56:48 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Dec 24 12:57:38 <DocScrutinizer05> moin dos1
Dec 24 13:08:41 <Sicelo> freemangordon: delete isn't there... this is a system certificate
Dec 24 13:29:31 <fidelp> How can I tell my N900 that I prefer certain wifi networks over others?
Dec 24 14:11:10 <ShadowJK> there isn't
Dec 24 14:11:32 <ShadowJK> It stays connected until signal becomes too weak, disconnects and connects to strongest available
Dec 24 14:14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> err, on *connect* I think you can prioritize certain WLAN APs
Dec 24 14:15:08 <DocScrutinizer05> so not necessarily it connects to strongest - afaik
Dec 24 14:18:19 <ShadowJK> hm
Dec 24 14:20:47 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer05: coming to FOSDEM?
Dec 24 14:20:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly
Dec 24 14:21:24 <cityLights> $$$?
Dec 24 14:21:34 <DocScrutinizer05> no time and no money for such fun
Dec 24 14:21:45 <cityLights> too bad
Dec 24 14:22:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and also I tend to feel quite exhausted soon while attending such mass events
Dec 24 14:22:12 <cityLights> how far are you from Brussels?
Dec 24 14:22:26 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly ~1000km
Dec 24 14:22:33 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a bit less
Dec 24 14:22:58 <cityLights> o, well, was hoping to meet some of the memebres here
Dec 24 14:31:14 <M4rtinK> well will going by bus :)
Dec 24 14:31:17 <M4rtinK> 11 hours :)
Dec 24 15:45:34 <teotwaki> Happy Holidays #maemo.
Dec 24 15:49:28 <sixwheeledbeast> Happy non-denominational winter festival to you too ;)
Dec 24 16:25:36 * DocScrutinizer05 waves
Dec 24 16:34:44 <thedead1440> season greetings to all too
Dec 24 16:36:29 <sixwheeledbeast> \o thedead1440
Dec 24 16:36:43 <thedead1440> o/
Dec 24 16:41:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hi thedead1440
Dec 24 16:42:03 <thedead1440> hows things doc?
Dec 24 16:42:23 <DocScrutinizer05> fine, nobody and nothing distracting me from working for Neo900
Dec 24 16:42:43 <thedead1440> cool
Dec 24 16:42:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and laughing about our "request for a relationship" thread
Dec 24 16:43:21 <DocScrutinizer05> suuuure, community will help to set up a closed appshop
Dec 24 16:43:27 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Dec 24 16:44:03 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if they meant "maemo6" maybe
Dec 24 16:44:03 <thedead1440> actually i wanted to send them STFU but then its official so held my lip :D
Dec 24 16:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> we should point them to aegis ;-P
Dec 24 16:44:30 <FIQ> the channel is also publically logged :)
Dec 24 16:44:35 <thedead1440> doc no maybe they meant sailfish- :p
Dec 24 16:44:43 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Dec 24 16:44:43 <FIQ> @ "but then it's official"
Dec 24 16:44:59 <thedead1440> FIQ: i meant official from hifo's email address
Dec 24 16:45:01 <DocScrutinizer05> this channel is not 2official" ;-)
Dec 24 16:45:06 <thedead1440> +1
Dec 24 16:45:29 <DocScrutinizer05> I know that sort of students
Dec 24 16:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> had the fun several times
Dec 24 16:45:50 <FIQ> what thread/whatever are you referring to?
Dec 24 16:45:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't want to cal it pleasure
Dec 24 16:45:58 <FIQ> some jolla thing?
Dec 24 16:46:53 <thedead1440> FIQ: no; somebody has been contacting HiFo about a collaboration which is all BS; see backlog for convo b/w doc and Win7Mac to read details 
Dec 24 16:47:03 <DocScrutinizer05> some Ghana student approaching HiFo about "help from community" for a very cloudy and fuzzy project involving heavily modified maemo-whatever ported to some new hw-platform
Dec 24 16:47:38 <DocScrutinizer05> and a closed app shop
Dec 24 16:47:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and closed apps integrated into maemo
Dec 24 16:48:07 <FIQ> sounds scary
Dec 24 16:48:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course "the community2 providing all that to them
Dec 24 16:49:04 <DocScrutinizer05> so HiFo now stands up ans shouts "COMMUNITY! go and produce what those fine gentlemen asked for!"
Dec 24 16:49:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Dec 24 16:49:31 <thedead1440> haha
Dec 24 16:49:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, why HiFo btw, I think that would be council's job anyway
Dec 24 16:50:06 <DocScrutinizer05> just another detail those guys didn't get
Dec 24 16:58:00 <DocScrutinizer05> /me just wonders how phrases like >>But with the support the Maemo Community is ready to offer, we hope we can get that aid.<< sneaked in
Dec 24 16:58:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know of any support "the Maemo Community is ready to offer"
Dec 24 16:59:08 <thedead1440> doc imagine one joker sitting behind a PC having nothing to do but typing out such nonsense... his aim is to convince you for the most foolish things so don't read too much into it
Dec 24 16:59:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, my suspicion of yesterday(?)
Dec 24 17:01:38 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly best answer: "We are Hildon Foundation, maemo's cashier. We thought *you* were (part of) >the maemo community<"
Dec 24 17:02:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Andrew's right
Dec 24 17:04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> *really* best answer: wait for their next mail
Dec 24 17:04:14 <thedead1440> yeah or just ignore them hereon
Dec 24 17:05:58 <DocScrutinizer05> how's xmess over at your end?
Dec 24 17:06:53 <thedead1440> some decoration at the main shopping street otherwise its just a public holiday
Dec 24 17:07:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, not that crazy like e.g. in Taiwan?
Dec 24 17:07:47 <thedead1440> oh not here... after all the mix of various religions makes it just one of the few year-round festivals
Dec 24 17:08:01 <thedead1440> lunar new year is the crazy occasion here
Dec 24 17:08:03 <DocScrutinizer05> same in taiwan though
Dec 24 17:08:12 <thedead1440> with most businesses closed for around 3-5days
Dec 24 17:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Dec 24 17:09:03 <DocScrutinizer05> this is end of January this year?
Dec 24 17:09:06 <thedead1440> its worst in indonesia; lunar new year means 1-2weeks at the minimum of closures.
Dec 24 17:09:15 <thedead1440> yup starts on the 31st of jan
Dec 24 17:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, had to deal with it when at OM. 2 weeks nothing goes
Dec 24 17:10:45 <DocScrutinizer05> though I'm not even sure if that's identical with chinese new year, which is what I think they celebrate there
Dec 24 17:10:57 <thedead1440> its the same
Dec 24 17:11:34 <thedead1440> indonesian economy is chinese bosses with local workers (stereotype) so closures on both lunar new year and eid
Dec 24 17:11:34 <DocScrutinizer05> xmas and chinese new year - worse than ramadan
Dec 24 17:12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> worse as in: longer
Dec 24 17:12:43 <DocScrutinizer05> and more relevant over in asia
Dec 24 17:13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> at least from what I seen
Dec 24 17:13:46 <thedead1440> nowadays its pretty similar mainly due to workers not being able to return on time. for e.g. this year my relative's house-maid spent 4 days traveling from her village to the city due to the traffic. so bosses can open without workers :D
Dec 24 17:14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> stuff stops moving mid of december. and when mid of january some of the xmas holiday absences tend to end, chinese new year kicks in blocking stuff for another 3 weeks
Dec 24 17:15:50 <thedead1440> yup; this is usually our most hectic time of the year... first you do closing of pending orders then you do frantic collection of payments before lunar new year... business owners don't pay during lunar new year so either you collect earlier or wait it out
Dec 24 17:16:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Dec 24 17:16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and when you didn't get around to sourcing your components in time, you can close your business too from Nov.15 to Feb.20
Dec 24 17:17:08 <thedead1440> hehe very true
Dec 24 17:18:42 <DocScrutinizer05> how do you like my idea about that "golden belt of contacts" around Neo900?
Dec 24 17:20:43 <DocScrutinizer05> seems it's enough space for >40 contacts to "the world out there"
Dec 24 17:21:12 <thedead1440> its interesting and i think a number of pretty fun things would be done by people once its out there
Dec 24 17:22:09 <DocScrutinizer05> all kinds of cool "cradle" thingies could get built
Dec 24 17:22:20 <DocScrutinizer05> fullsize kbd cradle
Dec 24 17:22:29 <DocScrutinizer05> joystick cradle
Dec 24 17:22:52 <DocScrutinizer05> VGA and charging and audio cradle
Dec 24 17:23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> wondering about that LED invasion though
Dec 24 17:24:12 <DocScrutinizer05> it's mechanically challenging
Dec 24 17:25:34 <DocScrutinizer05> seen that extremely cool (though not useful for Neo900) ultraflat ultrabright LED I found?
Dec 24 17:26:11 <DocScrutinizer05> 0.8mm high, shining *sideways*, ~2300mCd
Dec 24 17:26:28 <DocScrutinizer05> white
Dec 24 17:27:48 <DocScrutinizer05> well, we could build a flashlight to the left small side of Neo900 using 5 of those
Dec 24 17:27:53 <thedead1440> nope haven't seen the led; time to dig it out
Dec 24 17:28:43 <DocScrutinizer05> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data Sheets/Optek PDFs/OVSRWAC2R6.pdf   http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/OVSRWAC2R6/365-1550-1-ND/2203549
Dec 24 17:30:07 <DocScrutinizer05> a tiny bit *thinner* than a SIM
Dec 24 17:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and as bright as two candles
Dec 24 17:31:07 <DocScrutinizer05> blinding
Dec 24 17:31:59 <thedead1440> nice
Dec 24 17:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah :-)
Dec 24 17:34:43 <DocScrutinizer05> tiny
Dec 24 17:36:13 <DocScrutinizer05> we could place 20 of those at the small side of Neo900, without stacking them
Dec 24 17:36:32 <thedead1440> but wouldn't it bulk things up?
Dec 24 17:36:33 <DocScrutinizer05> "apperture" 0.8*2.2mm
Dec 24 17:36:49 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, we have the spcer there anyway
Dec 24 17:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> spacer
Dec 24 17:37:14 <DocScrutinizer05> we almist could mount them vertically into spacer
Dec 24 17:37:14 <thedead1440> ic
Dec 24 17:37:19 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
Dec 24 17:37:23 <DocScrutinizer05> almost*
Dec 24 17:37:35 <thedead1440> thats a nice extension :D
Dec 24 17:37:51 <DocScrutinizer05> making room for theoretically some 60 of them
Dec 24 17:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> 120 Cd
Dec 24 17:38:22 <DocScrutinizer05> *shudder*
Dec 24 17:39:00 <thedead1440> haha
Dec 24 17:41:12 <thedead1440> see ya doc; time to go to bed o/
Dec 24 17:42:25 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
Dec 24 17:42:33 <DocScrutinizer05> have a nice time!
Dec 24 17:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> alas this miracle LED is "obsolete" :-(
Dec 24 17:56:14 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe they have made a smaller one 
Dec 24 19:07:06 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, doesn't seem so
Dec 24 19:07:57 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, this made me stroll to highpower white and thus pick a CRE for flash of Neo900
Dec 24 19:08:35 <DocScrutinizer05> 350mA max, sounds about correct for what we have, though case is 5*5 not 3*3
Dec 24 19:09:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope it fits nevertheless
Dec 24 19:09:39 <DocScrutinizer05> CLN6A-MKW
Dec 24 19:10:12 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: you got details about what we got in N900? (colortemp etc? Lm? Cd?)
Dec 24 19:10:56 <SpeedEvil> I have no idea.
Dec 24 19:11:05 <SpeedEvil> It's perhaps what - 4 year old design?
Dec 24 19:11:09 <DocScrutinizer05> thought you once did some tests
Dec 24 19:11:14 <SpeedEvil> What's the peak watts? 
Dec 24 19:11:30 <SpeedEvil> The lumens is unlikely to exceed perhaps 80lm/W
Dec 24 19:11:43 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, that's what we got
Dec 24 19:11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> CLN6A-MKW
Dec 24 19:11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> roundabout
Dec 24 19:12:20 <DocScrutinizer05> do you know if N900 is warmwhite or cool?
Dec 24 19:12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I *guess* it must be warmwhite
Dec 24 19:12:54 <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure.
Dec 24 19:13:09 <sixwheeledbeast> I'd guess cool myself
Dec 24 19:13:20 <SpeedEvil> I'd think neutral or cool is more likely
Dec 24 19:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> that's a lot. So I at least know I have to check again
Dec 24 19:13:33 <SpeedEvil> Also - you don't want to go too wide a field of view on the LED.
Dec 24 19:13:51 <SpeedEvil> 60 degree will be four times as bright as 120 degrees.
Dec 24 19:13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> that might get difficult as well
Dec 24 19:14:08 <DocScrutinizer05> we got a lens in front
Dec 24 19:14:11 <SpeedEvil> Per watt - though you can't go too narrow - or you get beam assymetries
Dec 24 19:14:12 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 24 19:15:00 <DocScrutinizer05> there's that plastic fresnel in N900 case
Dec 24 19:15:02 <SpeedEvil> I guess try and roughly match the bare LED position and angle of view
Dec 24 19:15:19 <sixwheeledbeast> warm is more incandescent lightbulb colour <2500K
Dec 24 19:15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm concerned we got a hardcoded whitebalance for flash in maemo
Dec 24 19:16:46 <sixwheeledbeast> hardcoded where?
Dec 24 19:17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> if I had to guess I'd say in omapcamd
Dec 24 19:17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> though maybe even in CAL
Dec 24 19:18:00 <DocScrutinizer05> in PR1.0 we had green macro issue
Dec 24 19:18:34 <DocScrutinizer05> got fixed with a later PR
Dec 24 19:28:37 <sixwheeledbeast> ~bug7060
Dec 24 19:49:55 <sixwheeledbeast> bug 7060
Dec 24 19:49:57 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7060 Sometimes photos are very green
Dec 24 19:50:01 <sixwheeledbeast> ah
Dec 24 19:51:17 <DocScrutinizer05> aah, thanks
Dec 24 19:51:54 <sixwheeledbeast> "This has been fixed in package kernel 2.6.28-20095102+0m5"
Dec 24 20:02:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yeah
Dec 24 20:03:01 <DocScrutinizer05> why "kernel"?
Dec 24 20:03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> also: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9741
Dec 24 20:03:13 <povbot> 04Bug 9741: Pictures taken with flash have wrong white balancing (green tint) and are too dark.
Dec 24 20:05:24 <DocScrutinizer05> why the heck can random users edit random attachments?  https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2542&action=edit
Dec 24 20:08:49 <sixwheeledbeast> hmmm, just looking though the b.m.o for "camera" has bought up a good few WONTFIXes 
Dec 24 20:09:17 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Dec 24 20:09:42 <sixwheeledbeast> bug 9085
Dec 24 20:09:44 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9085 Camera lens is returned too hard back to home position
Dec 24 20:10:03 <sixwheeledbeast> bug 10384
Dec 24 20:10:05 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10384 photo camera exposure correction defective for manual ISO setting
Dec 24 20:12:10 <ecc3g> I've always thought that opening/closing the camera door to be very clunky on the n900.  Not to mention what should it do when I wanted to run mBarcode and not camera.
Dec 24 20:12:29 <sixwheeledbeast> bug 10091
Dec 24 20:12:31 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10091 Launching camera disables auto exposure for other applications
Dec 24 20:18:36 <sixwheeledbeast> bug 5693 I have suffered with this and thought it was just my device
Dec 24 20:18:38 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5693 Artifact (single-pixel line) appears on the right of photos when using digital zoom
Dec 24 20:18:52 <sixwheeledbeast> Oh well
Dec 24 20:21:02 <sixwheeledbeast> ecc3g: re mBarcode that's a whole other bug that's a WONTFIX
Dec 24 20:21:44 <sixwheeledbeast> The buggy workaround is dsmetool -k the camera-ui
Dec 24 20:25:28 <DocScrutinizer05> err, I simply close camera app?
Dec 24 20:36:51 <sixwheeledbeast> If you don't want to close the camera-ui everytime you open the lens cover
Dec 24 20:38:40 <sixwheeledbeast> should be a way of disabling the launch of camera-ui on lens cover IMO. but Nokia said WONTFIX
Dec 24 20:39:45 <DocScrutinizer05> when I start mBarcode, it says "please open cam door" and when I to this it starts scanning or autofocusing
Dec 24 20:40:00 <DocScrutinizer05> it however usually fails to detect any barcode
Dec 24 20:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> it doesn't use flash
Dec 24 20:40:21 <DocScrutinizer05> or flashlight
Dec 24 20:40:28 <DocScrutinizer05> only for autofocus
Dec 24 20:40:29 <RST38h> Christmas, Doc?
Dec 24 20:40:34 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Dec 24 20:40:52 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Dec 24 20:41:14 * DocScrutinizer05 takes a Christmas from RST38h
Dec 24 20:43:30 <sixwheeledbeast> I am guessing mBarcode does "dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui" on start
Dec 24 20:43:41 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea
Dec 24 20:45:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but probably it *should* just use cmera-ui in a way like the gallery shot review pops up with currently taken photo after shot, and closes again after a few seconds or when you press focus
Dec 24 20:47:57 <DocScrutinizer05> actually a lot of usecases should work that way, e.g. when trying to select an avatar for a contact, there should be an automatic to take a photo when you open the camera door and it should be that photo taken for the avatar without me having to select in from gallery
Dec 24 20:51:51 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: do you have another of those Christmas for me? Last one was tasty
Dec 24 21:55:07 <Sicelo> i'm concluding that `cmcli` is maemo-specific. correct? i don't seem to find a man page anywhere
Dec 24 22:10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> err, sounds aegis-specific
Dec 24 22:11:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, certificate manager cli
Dec 24 22:11:57 <Sicelo> yeah
Dec 24 22:13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless: https://gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-certman/source/625438d289375f6f5e7c2c2d225c8d3e306154aa:bin/cli/cmcli.c
Dec 24 22:18:20 <DocScrutinizer05> https://gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-certman/source/86e630b1fb78dd75c43222a1894bce2a9bcd940f:doc/Doxyfile MEH!
Dec 24 22:18:34 <DocScrutinizer05> of *course* no manpages
Dec 24 22:19:24 <HtheB> please read guys, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400402#post1400402
Dec 24 22:26:22 <sixwheeledbeast> Part of the maemosec-certman-tools package?
Dec 24 22:26:41 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds kinda correct
Dec 24 22:28:02 <DocScrutinizer05> https://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman/source/c041ea8640383068c35132b1d110c29d9a758425:bin/cli/cmcli.c
Dec 24 22:28:35 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: that's it
Dec 24 22:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.google.de/search?q=cmcli+maemo
Dec 24 22:33:16 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC how anybody is supposed to learn about even the existence of cmcli without any manpages
Dec 24 22:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess freemangordon found it in gitorious when checking how a-gps and certs work
Dec 24 22:34:41 <sixwheeledbeast> or didn't work as the case was
Dec 24 22:38:30 <FIQ> <DocScrutinizer05> why the heck can random users edit random attachments?  https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2542&action=edit - sounds like a security vulnerability in the bugtracker, or that someone messed up access lists...
Dec 24 22:41:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Dec 24 22:41:29 <DocScrutinizer05> quite
Dec 24 22:58:07 <FIQ> ~ham
Dec 24 22:58:08 <infobot> rumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
Dec 24 22:58:46 <FIQ> that's an understatement
Dec 24 23:09:09 <kerio> merry christmas to whoever's in UTC+1
Dec 24 23:13:59 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Dec 24 23:14:18 <kerio> 15 minutes ago
Dec 24 23:14:38 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks, but... we use this phrase since ~12h
Dec 24 23:14:53 <kerio> but it's only christmas now
Dec 24 23:15:01 <DocScrutinizer05> not here
Dec 24 23:15:14 <DocScrutinizer05> here we start xmas at 24th
Dec 24 23:15:31 <kerio> FINE
Dec 24 23:15:44 <kerio> merry christmas to whoever's in UTC+1 except for DocScrutinizer05 
Dec 24 23:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks!
Dec 24 23:16:40 <merlin1991> kerio: FTW
Dec 24 23:16:44 <merlin1991> also yay christmas
Dec 24 23:16:55 <kerio> yay
Dec 24 23:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> may I exclude you from my "mery chrismas" that I posted 14h ago, then?
Dec 24 23:17:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :-/
Dec 24 23:18:13 <kerio> nope
Dec 24 23:18:17 <kerio> it's too late
Dec 24 23:18:21 <kerio> sucka
Dec 24 23:18:27 <merlin1991> there should be a similar thing to UGT for holidays
Dec 24 23:18:33 <merlin1991> s/to/for/
Dec 24 23:18:33 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: there should be a similar thing for UGT for holidays
Dec 24 23:18:41 <kerio> mer
Dec 24 23:18:42 <merlin1991> actually v1 was correct
Dec 24 23:18:43 <kerio> whoops
Dec 24 23:19:05 <kerio> merlin1991: no, i *meant* to not give my salutations to other timezones
Dec 24 23:19:09 <kerio> fuck 'em
Dec 24 23:19:22 <kerio> CET/CEST ftw
Dec 24 23:25:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I really wonder wtf is wrong with kerio
Dec 24 23:32:06 <sixwheeledbeast> It's non-denominational winter festival day, BTW ;)
Dec 24 23:33:56 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, even been yesterday, in my CET TZ
Dec 24 23:34:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and today, and tomorrow
Dec 24 23:34:32 <chainsawbike> except for the southern hemisphere - we just join in for the lols
Dec 24 23:40:14 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway re bugs.m.o I checked for 1h+ starting at http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/25/plasma-desktopRG3389.png and didn't find any setting that's possibly related to that weird attachment thing
Dec 24 23:41:00 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe that's a feature, not a bug?
Dec 24 23:47:17 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather not?
Dec 24 23:47:21 <DocScrutinizer05> >>
Dec 24 23:47:23 <DocScrutinizer05> validate_can_edit($attachment, $product_id)
Dec 24 23:47:24 <DocScrutinizer05> Description: validates if the user is allowed to view and edit the attachment. Only the submitter or someone with editbugs privs can edit it. Only the submitter and users in the insider group can view private attachments.
Dec 24 23:47:26 <DocScrutinizer05> <<
Dec 24 23:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.2/en/html/api/Bugzilla/Attachment.html
Dec 24 23:48:56 <DocScrutinizer05> how the heck is an anonymous user supposed to have "editbugs privs"
Dec 24 23:52:52 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: 24th is christmas' eve, 25th is christmas
Dec 24 23:53:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so what?
Dec 24 23:53:10 <kerio> midnight is the turning point between the two
Dec 24 23:55:06 <freemangordon> hmm, kind of polite conversation's going on here
Dec 24 23:55:14 <kerio> freemangordon: merry christmas!
Dec 24 23:55:16 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly I don't give a flying F, I just consider it rude to exclude people explicitly from "best wishes", particularly based on a misconception of local habits and customs
Dec 24 23:55:36 <freemangordon> anyway, merry christmas guys
Dec 24 23:55:47 <DocScrutinizer05> same to you, freemangordon
Dec 24 23:56:06 <freemangordon> and heavy new year :P
Dec 24 23:56:16 <freemangordon> (rock)
Dec 25 00:00:24 <DocScrutinizer05> on something totally unrelated: I found a white LED with 20some Volt Vfwd
Dec 25 00:01:09 <DocScrutinizer05> 12 of them in series and your circuitry to power that thing from mains gets amazingly simple
Dec 25 00:01:42 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: do I read that right - you feed that LED with 20V?
Dec 25 00:01:48 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Dec 25 00:01:57 <freemangordon> wtf?!?
Dec 25 00:02:08 * freemangordon feels old :(
Dec 25 00:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.cree.com/LED-Components-and-Modules/Products/XLamp/Discrete-Directional/XLamp-XBE
Dec 25 00:03:17 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: any idea what technology is that? is that some ordinary 3-4V LEDs in series?
Dec 25 00:03:21 <freemangordon> or something new?
Dec 25 00:03:33 <DocScrutinizer05> can't think of anything else
Dec 25 00:04:32 <DocScrutinizer05> SC^3 technology
Dec 25 00:04:49 <freemangordon> will check tomorrow, gtg now
Dec 25 00:04:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Series Connected Chain of Chips?
Dec 25 00:04:59 <freemangordon> night guys
Dec 25 00:05:02 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
Dec 25 00:10:23 <jaska> i remember when blue leds were unobtainium :(
Dec 25 00:11:15 <merlin1991> i remember when my n900 was just some phone some finish guy showed me in england
Dec 25 00:12:51 <merlin1991> now for something completely unrelated though, what's the api on maemo to look into callhistory and sms? I've never had to check so far
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