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Dec 27 05:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the mystery of architecture and commandset
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Dec 27 06:03:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I guess "instructionset" is the right term
Dec 27 09:01:39 <zGrr> moin :)
Dec 27 10:18:07 <Sicelo> ~free-maemo
Dec 27 10:18:11 <Sicelo> hmm
Dec 27 10:18:35 <Sicelo> ~maemo-free
Dec 27 10:21:46 <freemangordon> ~freemantle
Dec 27 10:21:54 <freemangordon> hmm
Dec 27 10:32:57 <kerio> ~freemangordon
Dec 27 10:33:02 <kerio> ~kerio
Dec 27 10:33:03 <infobot> from memory, kerio is <sixwheeledbeast> ah kerio, you beauty
Dec 27 10:33:04 <kerio> :3
Dec 27 10:33:16 <sixwheeledbeast> :P
Dec 27 10:33:17 <kerio> infobot: freemangordon is a pretty cool guy
Dec 27 10:33:17 <infobot> kerio: okay
Dec 27 10:33:56 <kerio> ~freemangordon
Dec 27 10:33:58 <infobot> [freemangordon] a pretty cool guy
Dec 27 10:34:43 <kerio> infobot: no, freemangordon is a pretty cool guy. eh makes impossible things work and doesn't afraid of anything.
Dec 27 10:34:44 <infobot> kerio: okay
Dec 27 10:37:15 <sixwheeledbeast> grammar "doesn't afraid" ?
Dec 27 11:30:02 <antithesis_> Can I install any package that's available for PCs using Debian, on a Maemo device?
Dec 27 11:30:38 <zGrr> Most of them at least.
Dec 27 12:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> the mystery of architecture and instructionset
Dec 27 12:02:04 <DocScrutinizer05> none of them basically since PC uses X86 CPU instruction set and N900 has an ARM CPU
Dec 27 12:02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you however can *compile* basically all of them for fremantle
Dec 27 12:18:16 <antithesis_> zGrr I can change my window manager to ion3, use dmenu, bash scripts, and all of that shit?
Dec 27 12:19:12 <zGrr> antithesis_: you could - with chrooted debian.
Dec 27 12:20:34 <Wizzup> if it is useful is another Q
Dec 27 12:25:46 <sixwheeledbeast> antithesis_: Ah your back
Dec 27 12:26:03 <sixwheeledbeast> You need to port them
Dec 27 12:27:47 <sixwheeledbeast> antithesis_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Port_an_existing_Debian_package
Dec 27 12:35:16 <antithesis_> sixwheeledbeast what about my back?
Dec 27 12:36:17 <sixwheeledbeast> You vanished when you asked the first time....
Dec 27 13:02:19 <antithesis_> sixwheeledbeast you can rub my back if you want
Dec 27 13:02:53 <sixwheeledbeast> :S
Dec 27 13:42:01 <antithesis_> Can Maemo be controlled completely by the keyboard, without generally using the touch screen?
Dec 27 13:44:12 <zammy> hello
Dec 27 13:44:25 <zammy> how to get black colored xterm?
Dec 27 13:46:14 <zammy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3y0CD2CoCs ← ahahahah
Dec 27 13:50:06 <antithesis_> Gotta love That Mitchell and Webb look.
Dec 27 14:16:44 <zammy> I done...
Dec 27 16:37:48 <Gear__> is there a way of running android apps under maemo?
Dec 27 16:39:51 <Gear__> this phone despite all the awesome as HELL hardware is getting pretty dated
Dec 27 16:40:25 <darkschneider> hello Gear__ it is true, but you may consider an upgrade to a Neo900
Dec 27 16:40:37 <darkschneider> that will remove most of the "dated" from it ;)
Dec 27 16:41:06 <Gear__> yeah when that ever comes out
Dec 27 16:41:20 <Gear__> also I don't have a thousand dollars or whatever it costs
Dec 27 16:41:26 <Gear__> or a thousand euro
Dec 27 16:41:45 <darkschneider> i quite trust we get it soon (i.e. less than a year)
Dec 27 16:41:59 <Gear__> that's great for people who can afford it
Dec 27 16:42:42 <Gear__> is there a working neo900 yet
Dec 27 16:43:04 <darkschneider> and also the cost it not that high. Consider that it will be made decently, not like the n900 where chips come off.. when you have to fix sprint to your phone to make it work again, you relize that paying 100 more for having it properly manufactured it not bad... (consider that everybody times costs, and i spent a day fixing mine...)
Dec 27 16:43:55 <Gear__> is there a working neo900 yet
Dec 27 16:44:10 <darkschneider> for updated new it's better to use #neo900 i do not want to say you incorrect things
Dec 27 16:44:17 <darkschneider> new/news
Dec 27 16:44:26 <Gear__> at the moment I'm not interested thanks
Dec 27 16:44:34 <darkschneider> :)
Dec 27 16:44:38 <darkschneider> welcome :)
Dec 27 16:45:14 <Gear__> but I'd love to see it once it's finished
Dec 27 16:47:45 <Gear__> my first n900 is only just starting to get a bit beaten up, I have a second one I'm going to transfer my stuff to
Dec 27 16:50:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Dec 27 16:53:27 <darkschneider> Doc Gear would like to know approximately when a Neo900 prototype will be around
Dec 27 16:53:33 <Gear__> there's a few android apps I want to run on my phone
Dec 27 16:53:48 <darkschneider> Gear__: http://www.myriadgroup.com/device-solutions/device-software/myriad%20alien%20dalvik.aspx
Dec 27 16:54:12 <darkschneider> but i do not think it suits your use case
Dec 27 16:55:46 <Gear__> that doesn't seem to be a finished product
Dec 27 16:57:03 <Gear__> it seems to be maemo or something totally inferior with the n900
Dec 27 17:01:10 <Gear__> does ubuntu work well yet?
Dec 27 17:16:20 <Gear__> is there any decent alternative to maemo
Dec 27 17:23:02 <Ori_553> is maemo dead after the n900?
Dec 27 17:23:37 <nox-> ~neo900
Dec 27 17:23:37 <infobot> neo900 is probably at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/
Dec 27 17:25:22 <Ori_553> i saw the neo900, but its more a hobby cause, (a good idea of course), but apart of that?
Dec 27 17:25:51 <ShadowJK> Maemo has been a "hobby cause" for the last 3 years or something.
Dec 27 17:26:03 <Ori_553> true
Dec 27 17:27:03 <darkschneider> sad :( nonetheless it's the best phone i ever had... and my gf envy it too
Dec 27 17:27:51 <Ori_553> its sad that there is so much potential in this operating system and people prefer to close they mind and buy the iphone so they dont have to think
Dec 27 17:31:31 <sixwheeledbeast> having never used an iphone much people look at me oddly when they pass me one and it takes minutes to something "I should know". Maemo is very intuitive IMHO.
Dec 27 17:33:29 <darkschneider> you forget that people do not like to think
Dec 27 17:33:42 <Ori_553> i bought a n900 3 weeks ago because of the keyboard,  and its awesome, the only weak point is that maemo is dead and i found answers to my questions in dead forums, i felt like going back in time lol, but i love this gadget
Dec 27 17:34:56 <thedead1440> sixwheeledbeast: indeed; actually we are at the point whereby an iphone/droid can do almost everything you need to but (And its a huge but), you need to jump thru hoops to do the same... unfortunately i feel we are pass the point whereby these adjustments can be reversed
Dec 27 17:35:37 <sixwheeledbeast> thedead1440: agreed
Dec 27 17:36:08 <darkschneider> here if you ask a kid around age 10 he will say: think == effort == bad. simple as that. Look at the games they play. Thye say "click here - good, you are great! - now click here -  Hey you are soo good! you are a master"... and you never die or do wrong. Everyone is always a champion. Going with this from childhood, you get used that thinking is not a good think. Choice is evil. You must do what the phone tells you to do. Nothing diffe
Dec 27 17:36:08 <darkschneider> rent.
Dec 27 17:36:40 <sixwheeledbeast> Ori_553: "dead forums"? *.maemo.org isn't dead
Dec 27 17:36:51 <sixwheeledbeast> neither is this channel
Dec 27 17:40:04 <sixwheeledbeast> gaming has changed, people find "game over - start again" frustrating so removing the option to die makes sense to sell.  
Dec 27 17:40:40 <Ori_553> sixwheeledbeast, maemo.org is not dead but we are almost in 2014 and the only users left are the passionate, in an os that doesnt seem to have a future apart from the neo900, thats what i meant, then of course the maemo community did some shoking work, i found almost everything i needed in that forum
Dec 27 17:40:54 <Ori_553> darkshneider couldn't agree more
Dec 27 17:44:10 <DocScrutinizer05>  <Ori_553> >>.. its awesome, the only weak point is that maemo is dead<<  Says who?
Dec 27 17:45:55 <Ori_553> it makes me happy that you didnt like my statement, because i bought the n900 only recently
Dec 27 17:46:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Dec 27 17:46:12 <infobot> methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Dec 27 17:46:25 <sixwheeledbeast> maemo ISN'T dead
Dec 27 17:46:35 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems like last update is of ... err.. today? tomorrow? 
Dec 27 17:47:23 <freemangordon> merlin1991: ^^^? :P
Dec 27 17:47:32 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe ubuntu is dead! ;-P Maemo jas 30,000 *active* users
Dec 27 17:48:00 <sixwheeledbeast> His PC was wet so no update yet
Dec 27 17:48:01 <DocScrutinizer05> has*
Dec 27 17:48:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL
Dec 27 17:48:11 <Ori_553> maybe youre right
Dec 27 17:48:27 <DocScrutinizer05> his PC had wet dreams
Dec 27 17:48:49 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: comeon, it should be dry as a statue's ti*s by now :)
Dec 27 17:49:08 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: Why he went for a walk in the rain with it is beyond me :)
Dec 27 17:49:17 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehehe
Dec 27 17:49:28 <DocScrutinizer05> walk the PC
Dec 27 17:49:37 <freemangordon> to show it the bad big world outside?
Dec 27 17:49:46 <DocScrutinizer05> make it shit
Dec 27 17:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> retrieve a few CDs
Dec 27 17:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> probably much more fun to throw CDs rather than sticks
Dec 27 17:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> arfarfarf
Dec 27 17:51:35 * DocScrutinizer05 has his silly 5 minutes
Dec 27 17:52:06 <DocScrutinizer05> seem somebody telling me "maemo is dead" has this effect on me
Dec 27 17:53:05 <spaak> hi, relevant talk i think: http://streaming.media.ccc.de/saal2/native/hq/ 
Dec 27 17:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I just talked with a merchantman who has a pretty good clue about IT and particularly PGP etc which he used since 1990. He might be interested in a few 1000 Neo900
Dec 27 17:54:53 <DocScrutinizer05> given somebody of his clients (or we) creates a cryptfs based system
Dec 27 17:55:05 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Dec 27 17:55:22 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hmm, I guess that should be supported ootb
Dec 27 17:55:43 <freemangordon> I mean - kernel supports it
Dec 27 17:56:06 <sixwheeledbeast> puppy linux is for life not just for christmas :P
Dec 27 17:56:26 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: yeah, sure :->
Dec 27 17:56:50 <freemangordon> we have a HW RNG too
Dec 27 17:56:54 <Sicelo> (to sidetrack a bit.. can i use scratchbox on a machine with xfce wm?)
Dec 27 17:56:57 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Dec 27 17:57:12 <DocScrutinizer05> wetware RNG: l#üp  zirPOsd pvfgeuü
Dec 27 17:57:13 <DocScrutinizer05> 24#rg po reO
Dec 27 17:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> WGÜ
Dec 27 17:57:29 <DocScrutinizer05> looks buggy
Dec 27 17:57:48 <freemangordon> Sicelo: what has WM to do with SB? you want to boot maemo?
Dec 27 17:58:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: you can use SB on every machine that has xterm, no?
Dec 27 17:58:27 <DocScrutinizer05> when you can install xephyr you even can run emu
Dec 27 17:58:37 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: I guess he wants to boot the UI
Dec 27 17:58:40 <Sicelo> don't know. just didn't want to get a wm, and end up with unuseable SB
Dec 27 17:59:10 <Sicelo> i want to set up the sdk.. but gnome has become bloated nowadays..
Dec 27 17:59:18 <freemangordon> Sicelo: go ahed, it should not be related in any way
Dec 27 17:59:24 <Sicelo> cool. thanks
Dec 27 17:59:24 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: SB is a cmdline "app" first approach
Dec 27 17:59:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, a bit of ncurses
Dec 27 17:59:47 <sixwheeledbeast> everything has become bloated these days
Dec 27 18:00:57 <Sicelo> i do use gnome happily on my pc, but i don't want to have to download all it offers into my SB VM (following thp's instructions)
Dec 27 18:01:02 <ShadowJK> Everyone is so relieved and happy now, that Linux never adopted a "hw rng only" approach, but mixes hw rng output with other sources of rng
Dec 27 18:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: define "boot the UI"
Dec 27 18:01:22 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: the simulator - hidon-desktop, etc
Dec 27 18:01:29 <freemangordon> *hildon-desktop
Dec 27 18:01:31 <DocScrutinizer05> xephyr
Dec 27 18:01:36 <freemangordon> yep
Dec 27 18:01:38 <DocScrutinizer05> qemu
Dec 27 18:01:48 <Sicelo> thanks for info :) 
Dec 27 18:01:52 <freemangordon> no, doesn't work, only 386 is ok
Dec 27 18:01:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Dec 27 18:02:01 <Ori_553> is it fairly safe to install community update testing? ive installed the stable version and if i got it right its dates 2011
Dec 27 18:02:01 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't know
Dec 27 18:02:18 <DocScrutinizer05> noooooway
Dec 27 18:02:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Latest version: Testing(2013-10-27): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1
Dec 27 18:02:37 <freemangordon> Ori_553: the last -stable is some 6 months old
Dec 27 18:03:18 <Sicelo> Ori_553: i'm on stable. happy
Dec 27 18:03:30 <DocScrutinizer05> next testing is sheduled for like 16h ago
Dec 27 18:03:48 <DocScrutinizer05> stable is... stable
Dec 27 18:04:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I never get it why people start getting nervvous when there's no major update for 3 months. For me that's a good sign, given the maintainers still are taking care and simply don't think any update is needed
Dec 27 18:05:36 <sixwheeledbeast> Ori_553: 21.2011.38-1 is the last "Nokia" release 2011 Week 38. Everything CSSU related is after this
Dec 27 18:06:06 <Ori_553> when i go sttings/community SSU it says 2011, is that just the version of the updater?
Dec 27 18:06:08 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: chem|st: how about weekly posts "no new bugs, all cool. Stay calm! $date" to CSSU changelog?
Dec 27 18:06:11 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer: I agree but CSSU-S is long over due some fixes I have pointed out before
Dec 27 18:06:35 <freemangordon> :nod:
Dec 27 18:07:09 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, I think there's at least one bugfix re AGPS that should go to CSSU-S
Dec 27 18:07:25 <merlin1991> freemangordon: today
Dec 27 18:07:29 <sixwheeledbeast> and hildon-desktop bugs
Dec 27 18:07:40 <Sicelo> new stable today? 
Dec 27 18:07:43 <DocScrutinizer05> if and when it's meanwhile sufficently tested
Dec 27 18:07:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: T
Dec 27 18:07:58 <Sicelo> ok
Dec 27 18:07:59 <sixwheeledbeast> no new testing soon
Dec 27 18:08:06 <freemangordon> merlin1991: great. anyway, I was just pestering you :P
Dec 27 18:08:23 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: about walking in the rain
Dec 27 18:08:25 <DocScrutinizer05> don't walk the PC for shitting when rain
Dec 27 18:08:29 <merlin1991> there's such a thing as lan-partys
Dec 27 18:08:48 <merlin1991> and sometimes it rains when you hit the dailight again
Dec 27 18:08:57 <merlin1991> s/dai/day/
Dec 27 18:08:57 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: and sometimes it rains when you hit the daylight again
Dec 27 18:09:22 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: there are plastic bags. some say too many of them on this planet
Dec 27 18:09:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Dec 27 18:10:11 <merlin1991> in this particular case none were nearby and it was only the 20m from my car anyway
Dec 27 18:10:27 <merlin1991> but still better not risk it blowing up in my face with all the cssu .... stuff on it
Dec 27 18:10:39 <DocScrutinizer05> then why the heck bother about those 5 drops of H2O?
Dec 27 18:10:52 <merlin1991> because the case is quite open
Dec 27 18:11:01 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, hacker PC
Dec 27 18:11:12 <merlin1991> it has a huge 240 mm fan on top, shitloads of openings on the back and front ...
Dec 27 18:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, one of those where the "case" is the wire structure that holds the fans
Dec 27 18:12:31 <DocScrutinizer05> 240mm??? HECK my whole tower is no 24cm wide
Dec 27 18:12:46 <ShadowJK> it's the latest craze
Dec 27 18:13:08 <ShadowJK> watercooling radiator with 8 huge slow-turning fans
Dec 27 18:13:17 <DocScrutinizer05> UGGGH
Dec 27 18:13:55 <DocScrutinizer05> damn boy, you got quite a geeky hightech heater
Dec 27 18:13:56 <merlin1991> nah
Dec 27 18:14:05 <merlin1991> but it's actually only 200mm I just measured it
Dec 27 18:14:10 <ShadowJK> or 2 kilogram air heatsink :P
Dec 27 18:14:19 <merlin1991> 240 was a wild guess based on a double size "normal" fan :D
Dec 27 18:14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, my tower is exactly 20cm wide
Dec 27 18:15:04 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; it's kinda interesting, power consumption has almost halved since Pentium 4 days, but heatsink sizes have gone up by a factor of 5 or 10
Dec 27 18:15:41 <merlin1991> ShadowJK: nobody likes the sound of a starting passenger jet under his/her desk anymore
Dec 27 18:15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: that's because of intel's idiotic crappy thermal design
Dec 27 18:15:59 <ShadowJK> I believe merlin more :P
Dec 27 18:16:36 <ecc3g> eh... the stock heatsink have gotten smaller from p4 -> core ...
Dec 27 18:16:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't hear a sound from my tower
Dec 27 18:16:57 <merlin1991> but intels maybe not so great design still seems to work better than amds, at least if you compare average heatsink size :D
Dec 27 18:17:05 <ShadowJK> heh, yeah
Dec 27 18:17:22 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: when all you do is run irc what sound do you expect from your tower? :p
Dec 27 18:17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem is intel limiting/throttling clockrate according to heat
Dec 27 18:18:25 <ShadowJK> You still hit max rates with the puny stock hsf
Dec 27 18:19:02 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: don't underestimate the amount of worker threads skynet places on this PC I pretend to live in
Dec 27 18:19:31 <ShadowJK> Heck, my laptop seems to be able to run continously at 10Watts over the official TDP of the cpu
Dec 27 18:19:44 <thedead1440> doc lol
Dec 27 18:20:29 <ecc3g> in fact i think my p4 stock heat sink is about twice as big as my c2q's and corei7 heatsinks...
Dec 27 18:21:12 <ShadowJK> My current c2q heatsink seems about the size of the motherboard
Dec 27 18:21:26 <ecc3g> where are you reading power, is that system power?  What computers give CPU-only power?
Dec 27 18:21:45 <DocScrutinizer05> but yeah, you're right. load average: 0.19, 0.18, 0.23
Dec 27 18:21:59 <DocScrutinizer05> which is a joke for a quadcore
Dec 27 18:22:33 <ShadowJK> ecc3g; haswell gives detailed power stats
Dec 27 18:22:53 <ShadowJK> package total power, memory controller, cpu cores, uncore, gpu
Dec 27 18:22:53 <DocScrutinizer05> get a decent PSU!
Dec 27 18:23:41 <DocScrutinizer05> 48°C
Dec 27 18:24:01 <ShadowJK> Haswell needs ATX psu capable of regulating 12V down to 0.05A load
Dec 27 18:24:15 <DocScrutinizer05> wonder why the heck there's no fan RPM
Dec 27 18:24:43 <DocScrutinizer05> friggin intel board
Dec 27 18:25:18 <DocScrutinizer05> GFX bios but no fan RPM in linux
Dec 27 18:25:25 <DocScrutinizer05> X-P
Dec 27 18:25:42 <DocScrutinizer05> poooh, not only GFX but actually also SOUND!!!
Dec 27 18:26:23 <DocScrutinizer05> makes me headdesk each single time when the bios goes intel-DIDUNGDIDOONG
Dec 27 18:27:54 <merlin1991> I'm glad I only touched the "bios" once on the pc, it got even harder to find the right settings with the fancy GFX interface
Dec 27 18:28:12 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: indeed!
Dec 27 18:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> a major PITA
Dec 27 18:28:32 <DocScrutinizer05> bios for fools
Dec 27 18:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> next version comes with pacman
Dec 27 18:29:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or supermario
Dec 27 18:29:04 <merlin1991> I'd like one where they don't invent a new name for every single setting
Dec 27 18:29:15 <merlin1991> it was almost like reading cisco docs
Dec 27 18:29:21 <merlin1991> everything looks familiar but the names are off
Dec 27 18:29:28 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Dec 27 18:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> maketing BS
Dec 27 18:30:18 <DocScrutinizer05> this bios has a hidden "expert mode" that kicks you back into good'ole text bios with almost all the right names on it
Dec 27 18:31:36 <DocScrutinizer05> but what the heck are you doing here? shouldn't you treat your PC with a hairdryer?
Dec 27 18:31:50 <merlin1991> nah the pc is fine by now
Dec 27 18:32:31 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders where's the fire started at this yeahs CCC
Dec 27 18:32:41 <DocScrutinizer05> year's
Dec 27 18:32:55 * DocScrutinizer05 idly checks maemo status
Dec 27 18:33:30 <merlin1991> there was/is a fire there?
Dec 27 18:33:52 <DocScrutinizer05> they always start fires somewhere in the intarnets
Dec 27 18:34:56 <DocScrutinizer05> but maybe this year they got enough laptops and mobile phones locally to mess with
Dec 27 18:35:18 <DocScrutinizer05> after all this year CCC will be largest ever
Dec 27 18:35:23 <DocScrutinizer05> by visitors
Dec 27 18:35:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and every single one of them brings either a laptop with WLAN or a phone with WLAN
Dec 27 18:35:56 <Defiant> or both
Dec 27 18:36:42 <DocScrutinizer05> so you got a LAN with 10000 devices to mess with, maybe the rest of the globe will not sufer this time
Dec 27 18:37:19 <DocScrutinizer05> or some smart hacker uses all 10k local devices to run DDoS against freenode or whatever they think is funny ;-P
Dec 27 18:42:30 <merlin1991> tbh when I think about going to the ccc events I always think I shouldn't bring my devices, but only a pen and paper :D
Dec 27 18:53:51 <sixwheeledbeast> paper aeroplanes for e-mail?
Dec 27 18:55:21 <t3st3r> there is RFC1149 already, guess paper airplanes can be some amendment/extension.
Dec 27 23:16:27 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: a-mail
Dec 27 23:17:17 <sixwheeledbeast> surely pe-mail?
Dec 27 23:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> b-mail, for "biological"?
Dec 27 23:49:35 <ori553> I have a question, I was looking at a page explaining how easy is to make a program for the n900 using qt creator, i was thinking, Is it possible to compile for different platforms aswell? like android or iphone
Dec 28 02:08:15 <honestly> can I make the usb networking device have a fixed MAC?
Dec 28 02:09:12 <honestly> I guess I can.
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