**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 31 02:59:58 2013 Dec 31 08:59:22 moin :) Dec 31 10:22:25 people. using the standard application installer is a pain the a**... if i want to install multiple applications.. every time it has to refresh with my slow internet connection - any healthy alternatives ? Dec 31 10:24:42 solofight|2, well, there's "fap"="faster app manager", but I think it had some tendency to mess with the source list or so it's not perfect Dec 31 10:25:12 joga: yea DocScrutinizer05 also suggested me not to use it Dec 31 10:25:23 no other way ! ? Dec 31 10:25:34 and which repo i should not include in my list ? dev or testing ? Dec 31 10:25:42 I've simply used apt-get sometimes Dec 31 10:26:24 but tbh it's probably been over two years or so since I last installed anything :) Dec 31 10:27:41 joga: the repos, they asked me not to enable a repo... forgot whether its testing or dev Dec 31 10:27:54 any idea which is the one which causes damage to your device ? Dec 31 10:29:00 the repos themselves don't cause damage but you may want to avoid dev unless there's something you need Dec 31 10:33:56 Exactly, it's basically like this: Stable - Testing - DEVELopment. Dec 31 10:34:20 Only enable the latter if you really need something from there Dec 31 10:34:52 several applications are not in the stable yet i think.... for example DocScrutinizer05 was mentioning about apmefo fo rorganizing launcher icons.. its not in stable yet :( Dec 31 10:35:11 MrPingu: so testing is ok ? it wont lead to a brick device right ? Dec 31 10:35:30 I've had testing enabled for years Dec 31 10:35:44 solofight|2: Devel is OK too for most applications, but there are some bad ones Dec 31 10:36:09 So you better enable devel and testing, get what you want and disable it again Dec 31 10:37:05 MrPingu: how do i know which are the bad ones and which are not ? Dec 31 10:37:33 Use talk.maemo.org and google ;) Dec 31 10:37:41 Just do a bit research Dec 31 10:38:08 And avoid everything what has the name patch in it (battery and speedpatch) Dec 31 10:38:50 oh ok Dec 31 10:39:30 If you just use an extra bit of caution, I think there's no change you immediately brick your device Dec 31 10:40:38 There are some really good quality programs like Cooktimer, pierogi, lanterne, hamster-filer to be found in devel Dec 31 10:41:13 And if you aren't sure of some application you can ask here ;) Dec 31 10:43:11 MrPingu: is there a way to have a seperate gallery lock where i can put my private pics ? right now its getting shown as a part of all pictures ! Dec 31 10:43:50 so it will have a general gallery which my friends can see and seperate gallery which my relatives alone can see Dec 31 10:44:03 password protected or something/...possible >? Dec 31 10:45:40 Not that I know of, but I don't have the need for such thing thus never looked into it Dec 31 10:45:48 one more problem is that i am using recaller to record all calls (in a seperate folder inside mydocs)... but the recorded files are being shown and played as a part of the music player ! ! Dec 31 10:46:34 Use tracker-cfg (really nice tool to edit tracker behaviour) Dec 31 10:47:11 Look for NoWatchDirectory and add that folder and rebuilt database Dec 31 10:47:54 Another example of nice tool from devel ;) Dec 31 10:47:58 :) Dec 31 10:48:06 thank you - will enable devel now Dec 31 10:48:22 enabling devel will also enable testing ? or i should do that seperately ? Dec 31 10:48:44 Just disable devel after use cause it makes HAM(Hildon Application Manager) slow Dec 31 10:48:59 Seperately ;) Dec 31 10:49:15 ok Dec 31 10:49:25 * MrPingu is AFK for some time Dec 31 10:49:32 don't use extras-testing! it doesn't have anything that's not ib devel already Dec 31 10:50:40 really extras-devel and extras-testing are pretty much mutually exclusive Dec 31 10:51:35 Ok Dec 31 10:52:09 if Hamster-filler and lanterne are so good apps why are they still in devel and not in stable ? Dec 31 10:52:21 when does an app qualify to come to stable ? Dec 31 10:54:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Promoting_packages_to_extras-testing Dec 31 10:56:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Dec 31 10:56:51 >>Developers upload the newest version of their software to extras-devel. From there the packages go Extras-testing and finally Extras through an automatic and human Quality Assurance process<< Dec 31 10:57:00 this chan is ever flooding for my irssi taste Dec 31 10:57:12 happy new year to all Dec 31 10:58:16 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing Dec 31 10:58:52 >>The maemo.org extras-testing repository hosts community applications and related packages that are waiting to be evaluated and promoted to Maemo 5 Extras. The packages hosted here are promoted from extras-devel and have gone through an automated quality check. Now they need real humans assessing that they are indeed ready to be released.<< Dec 31 11:00:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#Community_Quality_Assurance Dec 31 11:11:34 DocScrutinizer05, what happens to maintaining requests? I've sent one some days ago for ssh-status and haven't received any response since Dec 31 11:14:00 also, my main N900 just died while receiving call. Just squeaked loudly and stuck on vibration. And now hildon-desktop won't start Dec 31 11:17:08 it just segfaults. 2.2.153-2+thumb0 Dec 31 11:18:01 eeeek Dec 31 11:18:28 int_ua: I have no idea what happened to maintainer requests. I guess merlin1991 is handling them Dec 31 11:26:19 happy new year! Dec 31 11:42:12 Anyone with thumb repo tried rebooting after the latest update? Dec 31 11:42:38 i think i booted some times Dec 31 11:42:54 int_ua: changed the kernel? Dec 31 11:43:20 as usual, fire up rescueos and check what's in /lib/modules and flash the matching kernel Dec 31 11:44:45 int_ua: working fine over here Dec 31 11:46:51 kerio, kernel starts just fine, it's the hildon-desktop that crashes Dec 31 11:46:59 reinstall it maybe? Dec 31 11:47:06 idk if it would help Dec 31 11:47:26 it's kind of awkward to do i guess Dec 31 11:47:27 kerio, already tried Dec 31 11:47:32 do you have backups? Dec 31 11:47:41 kerio, not really Dec 31 11:47:45 :( Dec 31 11:48:38 kerio, but I can make them through SSH. But it could take hours. While in two hours I was going to a party ;( Dec 31 11:48:51 i have no party to go to :( Dec 31 11:49:11 int_ua: it won't take hours tho Dec 31 11:49:16 Parties without phones are fun ;) Dec 31 11:49:20 that, too Dec 31 11:49:24 rescueos has usb mass storage if you want Dec 31 11:49:31 or just backupmenu Dec 31 11:49:36 kerio, that's sad Dec 31 11:49:48 idk if it's sad actually Dec 31 11:49:52 i don't really feel like doing stuff Dec 31 11:51:18 kerio, well, yeah, me too, it's not a party in common loud sense, just some friend gathering to play some tabletop games Dec 31 11:51:38 s/friend/friends/ Dec 31 11:51:39 int_ua meant: kerio, well, yeah, me too, it's not a party in common loud sense, just some friends gathering to play some tabletop games Dec 31 12:59:34 The last two lines of strace are "rt_sigaction(SIGWINCH, ... ) = 0" and "tgkill (... SIGSEGV) = 0" Dec 31 13:09:52 strace: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ha62m7me Dec 31 13:15:33 found it: malformed transitions.ini due to nano wrapping lines Dec 31 13:22:04 is there a way to have nano not do that? Dec 31 13:22:29 iirc I have vim set to display the wrap, but in the file, it's the same line. Dec 31 13:23:46 nano -w Dec 31 13:23:49 no wrapa Dec 31 13:26:44 ShadowJK: does that display the wrap at the end of the terminal line with a $, or to the next line (but in the file, still part of the same line)? Dec 31 13:27:50 $ Dec 31 13:28:31 ShadowJK: wasn't there also a config for that, to automagically disable wrap Dec 31 13:34:30 Hurrian, there is, but the nano I'm using have no config file for that Dec 31 13:34:45 ah. in that case, i'll look it up when I get home Dec 31 13:35:05 it seriously peeves me when I use Fremantle, and i'm on-device and not logged on with ssh. Dec 31 13:35:39 MrPingu, Hurrian If you'll find where to put config file for nano-opt, please let me know Dec 31 13:36:38 IIRC, it was ignoring the config from older nano Dec 31 13:37:52 BTW, why do we have to use hildon-desktop.launcher? Dec 31 13:38:05 instead of hildon-desktop Dec 31 13:38:41 int_ua: something related to environment variables and how fremantle apps get handled Dec 31 13:38:43 or something Dec 31 13:40:34 From what I read it works with a ~/.nanorc file Dec 31 13:40:56 (( is there a way to have nano not do that?)) wrong question Dec 31 13:41:14 is tehere a way to teach damn MHD not to segfault on this Dec 31 13:42:22 echo "set nowrap" > ~/.nanorc Dec 31 13:42:53 int_ua, Hurrian: ^^^ Dec 31 13:43:39 please could somebody maybe open a ticket against CSSU: "HD segfalts when arbitrary garbage in transitions.ini" Dec 31 13:44:31 I mean C'MON! a *segfault* when a ini file is not as pretty as it should be? *seriously?* Dec 31 13:44:41 DocScrutinizer05, but that'd mean having proper input sanitization in it Dec 31 13:45:03 wait, wasn't there a mechanism to load a "default" transitions.ini if FHD segfaulted repeatedly too quickly? Dec 31 13:45:12 which is a fundamental mandatory measure to have on *all* programs Dec 31 13:45:42 Hurrian: CSSU should throw you to a xterm Dec 31 13:45:58 I defined that, a year or two ago Dec 31 13:46:19 one-char fix in "dsmetool start HD" Dec 31 13:47:16 can't recall the details Dec 31 13:47:54 FHD like Fscking Hildon Desktop? ;-D Dec 31 13:48:56 DocScrutinizer05: the hildon-desktop launcher script should include a watchdog that dumps you to XTerm if it respawns too fast. Dec 31 13:49:11 *respawns too fast when killed via SIGSEGV Dec 31 13:49:49 Hurrian: that watchdog is dsme Dec 31 13:50:09 ...but that reboots the device and doesn't put it into a "fail-safe, fix it" mode. Dec 31 13:50:37 the MALF screen in Harmattan would be a perfect place to put a XTerm in if they had hw keyboards. Dec 31 13:51:45 Hurrian: yes, on default stock maemo it reboots, on CSSU with my one-char fix it simply stops trying to relaunch the HD after dunno 10 tries in 60s Dec 31 13:51:56 but does NOT reboot the device Dec 31 13:52:57 DocScrutinizer05: That's how it should be Dec 31 13:53:25 Luckily we have also pali's and Mentalist Recovery console Dec 31 13:55:13 i never got the logic of rebooting the device if HD respawned too fast. Dec 31 13:55:22 if it hung, sure, reboot - lockups happen Dec 31 13:57:25 tracker is reading wrong battery percentage... Is it a known issue? Dec 31 13:57:52 xes: what's your fuel gauge driver? Dec 31 13:58:06 the Nokia stock stuff or Pali's open stuff? Dec 31 13:58:59 Hurrian: mm..good question. Let me check Dec 31 14:00:31 Thanks DocScrutinizer05 for the links Dec 31 14:02:56 solofight: yw Dec 31 14:03:55 people i am trying to install the lantern application in my n900, enabled testing and extyras non free on my application manager..... opened the app manager, selected "all" category and typed lan which filtered few results.... thre is no lanteterne in it ! Dec 31 14:04:21 *enabled dev Dec 31 14:05:06 xes: there's quite a number of bugs in stock tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if battery level radout would be one of them. BTW I can't recall tracker cares at all about battery level, only about 2powered by battery" vs "by charging" Dec 31 14:05:52 ~pkg Dec 31 14:05:53 well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 31 14:06:27 http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/ Dec 31 14:06:41 xes:.stops reading it entirely after couple days Dec 31 14:06:56 no idea why it's not showing up inb HAM. Obviously you need to enable extras-devel repo for it Dec 31 14:07:49 Hurrian: DocScrutinizer05: well, now i have loaded the rx51_battery driver. Tracker as a minimum battery level required to run Dec 31 14:08:01 ShadowJK: sorry? Dec 31 14:08:15 never knew about that Dec 31 14:08:19 xes: you can turn that off in the configs in the meanwhile, assuming you don't add too much media when the battery's low Dec 31 14:08:48 I usually have disabled tracking while on battery Dec 31 14:09:40 assuming it still should add new photos and videos that are announced to tracker explicitly by camera. Dunno if that assumption is right Dec 31 14:10:02 xes: for me it eventually gets stuck reading it as 0% Dec 31 14:10:35 ShadowJK: how do you know? Dec 31 14:10:44 trackerd logs? Dec 31 14:10:59 tail -f .local/share/trackerd.log Dec 31 14:11:15 tail -f .local/share/tracker/trackerd.log Dec 31 14:11:22 or syslog Dec 31 14:11:53 ugh! Dec 31 14:11:54 solofight: It should be there, refreshed the catalogues? Dec 31 14:14:52 * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at http://privatepaste.com/c3dbfe7771 Dec 31 14:15:33 btw Dec 31 14:15:35 IroN900:~# uptime Dec 31 14:15:36 15:15 42 Tage 16:29 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,01, 0,04, 0,00 Dec 31 14:18:25 DocScrutinizer05: in the catalogue details, i need to distribution as fremantle and components as "free non-free" without the quotes right ? web address ends with extras-devel/ Dec 31 14:18:39 i wonder why sometimes my uSD is mounted as mmc1, and sometimes as mmc1p1 Dec 31 14:19:37 MrPingu: yes - updated ... updating again Dec 31 14:19:48 in the catalogue details, i need to distribution as fremantle and components as "free non-free" without the quotes right ? web address ends with extras-devel/ Dec 31 14:19:54 MrPingu: is this correct ? ^ Dec 31 14:19:59 Yes Dec 31 14:25:16 talking about open media player... Nobody else is experiencing this issue: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1395932&postcount=1549 ?? Dec 31 14:27:12 solofight: I think yes Dec 31 14:28:41 ShadowJK: there is a race condition in ke-recv, Pali fixed it on gitorious but it is still not released Dec 31 14:42:26 DocScrutinizer05: which one is better "applock" or "applocker" ? http://maemo.org/packages/view/applock/ Dec 31 14:42:30 http://maemo.org/packages/view/applocker/ Dec 31 14:50:15 people, its strange ! i see the applock and applocker frm this page http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=3 butthe apmefo app is not visible ! Dec 31 14:50:24 when i type apm it gives me empty screen Dec 31 15:07:00 is there any reason why several packages in this list is not available in my application manager even after configuring and refreshing dev ? http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=4 Dec 31 15:21:15 DocScrutinizer05, I'll open the bug report, but in the next year, ok? Dec 31 15:44:00 solofight: might be another mess-up judging by http://maemo.org/packages/view/apmefo/ showing a version without version string as last upload, but the one before last as the available version Dec 31 15:44:58 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo// Dec 31 15:45:24 vs. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo/0.11-1/ Dec 31 15:47:05 apmefo 0.11-1 Fremantle Extras-devel free i386 Package imported System 2011-01-05 11:43 Dec 31 15:47:37 0.11-1 * Upload to Extras to give users something better working. I will not provide updates as I am leaving Maemo platform. Marcin Juszkiewicz 2010-12-10 11:12 UTC Dec 31 15:48:08 apmefo Fremantle Extras-devel free armel Package imported System 2011-12-02 14:48 Dec 31 15:48:09 damn Dec 31 15:48:25 so who will maintain it henceforth ? Dec 31 15:48:53 apmefo? no maintainer since 3 years it seems Dec 31 15:49:08 err at least 2 years Dec 31 15:49:33 DocScrutinizer05: so how do i install it now ? using apt-get install apmefo 0.11-1 ? Dec 31 15:49:56 try clicking on "apmefo_0.11-1_all.deb" in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/apmefo/0.11-1/ Dec 31 15:50:47 should download the file, alas it doesn't autoinstall it due to some flaw in browser config. Dec 31 15:51:15 but locating the downloaded .deb file in filemanager and clicking on it will install it Dec 31 15:52:44 sorry, flood! duck and cover! Dec 31 15:52:46 IroN900:~# apt-cache policy apmefo Dec 31 15:52:48 apmefo: Dec 31 15:52:49 Installed: 0.11-1 Dec 31 15:52:51 Candidate: 0.11-1 Dec 31 15:52:52 Version table: Dec 31 15:52:54 *** 0.11-1 0 Dec 31 16:03:45 DocScrutinizer05: i want to install this http://maemo.org/packages/view/arapp/ is it safe ? Dec 31 16:04:10 solofight: I don't know Dec 31 16:04:39 DocScrutinizer05: i want to learn how you guys decide whether it is safe to install an app from dev or not Dec 31 16:04:54 can you please let me know what all parameters to watch out ? Dec 31 16:05:20 seems to have same problem of last upload had no version string in name Dec 31 16:06:15 solofight: that's a very difficult question. Most of the "don't use that" is historical knowledge from users reporting problems Dec 31 16:06:23 oh Dec 31 16:06:51 i am on a installation spree today - dont know whether tomorrow my phone will break :P Dec 31 16:07:25 solofight: thats the danger of extras-devel :P Dec 31 16:07:45 I always look on TMO to find 'reviews' of an app :P Dec 31 16:07:57 generally you want to do a complete backup of your system (using backupmenu) and then install only ONE app from extras-devel and give it several days or even weeks of thorough testing, during which you don't install other stuff that might introduce unrelated issues and thus spoils your evaluation results Dec 31 16:08:24 /join #freenode-newyears Dec 31 16:08:33 What Doc says ^^ Dec 31 16:08:34 for SURE not! Dec 31 16:09:09 freenode-newyears is a spam channel of the evil kind Dec 31 16:09:31 ascii graphics anybody? Dec 31 16:09:56 I promise in *this* channel you get no second warning for sending ascii graphics Dec 31 16:10:26 Happy new year, doc! :P Dec 31 16:10:34 happy new year! Dec 31 16:12:05 solofight: I usually do a reflash after nstalling&testing&(usually)uninstaling a few dozen of apps to check them out Dec 31 16:12:45 or even better a backupmenu restore of a clean state from before that testing marathon Dec 31 16:12:45 I'm waiting to get my second N900 back to start dissecting extras-devel Dec 31 16:13:37 Too bad there are some really good applications only devel Dec 31 16:14:01 MrPingu: ++ Dec 31 16:14:15 MrPingu: like? Dec 31 16:14:33 MrPingu: some of them have no maintainer, so nobody who could promote them to devel Dec 31 16:14:47 MrPingu: if you are not aware - repos and promotion work for more than half an year Dec 31 16:15:01 s/devel/extras/ Dec 31 16:15:02 DocScrutinizer05 meant: MrPingu: some of them have no maintainer, so nobody who could promote them to extras Dec 31 16:15:35 some depend on other stuff or on hacks which are not suitable for extras Dec 31 16:15:39 DocScrutinizer05: actually those with admins right can, but that is not a solution for an basically orphaned package Dec 31 16:15:51 s/an/a Dec 31 16:16:03 freemangordon: I know *I* can do this ;-D Dec 31 16:16:16 :nod: Dec 31 16:16:17 but I can't take the fallout from that Dec 31 16:16:33 yep, my point. Dec 31 16:16:42 MrPingu: bad that no more n900 is in the market Dec 31 16:16:54 solofight: neo900 is comming Dec 31 16:16:58 project neo900 got initiated i believe Dec 31 16:16:59 yeah Dec 31 16:17:05 Well something like configuration editor Dec 31 16:17:10 its ridiculosly expensive ! Dec 31 16:17:16 promotong a package from extras-devel to extras without any clue about its status is as silly as it can get Dec 31 16:17:18 solofight: no it is not Dec 31 16:17:38 soltys: do you have an idea how much did n900 cost when it came out? Dec 31 16:17:52 freemangordon: how much ? Dec 31 16:18:01 about 600 euros iirc Dec 31 16:18:09 DocScrutinizer05: correct? Dec 31 16:18:22 it's more reasonable to suggest to users they should enable extras-devel all the time, rather than some admin going apeshit and spamming extras with extras-devel packages without proper QA Dec 31 16:19:01 yep, correct. IIRC Dec 31 16:19:11 599 IIRC Dec 31 16:19:38 wiki.maemo.org/extras-testing/Darp Dec 31 16:20:26 started to dissect with sixwheeledbeast some year ago ;) Dec 31 16:21:57 Some are not meant for extras but some of them are ;) Dec 31 16:23:35 cool Dec 31 16:24:16 you know there's a "request maintainership for this package" button somewhere on maemo.org Dec 31 16:24:41 Yes but I don't know shit about packaging Dec 31 16:24:42 2 years back when i wanted to enter mobile development this was exactly my question/vision.... why not have a good hardware and install my own software Dec 31 16:25:05 why should i get attached to a software which i dont like on a hardware which i like Dec 31 16:25:30 thought behind neo900 is of same lines i think ? Dec 31 16:25:31 welcome to the right place for you, then! :-) Dec 31 16:26:02 DocScrutinizer05: is there any opportunities to get involved in this development ? Dec 31 16:26:25 fulltime or part time ..any which ways Dec 31 16:28:45 * MrPingu hit ctrl+Q instead of ctrl + 1 Dec 31 16:35:28 solofight: which development exactly? Dec 31 16:36:23 neo900 and maemo version updates to it Dec 31 16:42:22 neo900 is supposed to get a binary compatible maemo fremantle, so all apps will work OOTB Dec 31 16:42:48 porting this fremantle to neo900 can use all the help it can get Dec 31 16:43:37 neo900 hw development is done by Nikolaus and me, and we hardly can use help. It's already hard enough to communicate and sync between the two of us Dec 31 16:44:05 I listen to suggestions regarding hardware Dec 31 16:44:26 and I even answer most of them Dec 31 16:44:47 unless they have already been answered 3 or 4 or 5 times Dec 31 16:45:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Dec 31 16:46:26 eventually the neo900 team will hand out development device loaner prototypes to the most active developers Dec 31 16:46:43 unlike Nokia we will call them back eventually Dec 31 16:46:53 we can't afford giveaways Dec 31 16:48:26 I'm about to consider and architecture a concept how to get paid development for porting fremantle, so we could offer devices with preinstalled fremantle for a maybe 20 or 30 bucks on top of the barebones hw pricetag Dec 31 16:49:18 for now that volume is at least 300*30EUR you could earn Dec 31 16:49:31 might become 3000*30 Dec 31 16:50:47 DocScrutinizer05: are you the founder of maemo ? Dec 31 16:50:48 I think I will contract a single individual or entity to handle all that and receive the complete refund Dec 31 16:51:02 solofight: no way Dec 31 16:51:18 what's up with the Neo900? :) Dec 31 16:51:27 I was even relatively late in the game, arounf diablo Dec 31 16:51:48 Venemo: eh? what shall be up with it? Dec 31 16:51:50 DocScrutinizer05: was heavily involved in the development of n900 with nokia ? Dec 31 16:51:56 oh Dec 31 16:52:20 DocScrutinizer05: that's what I'm asking - seen the website, it's quite nice Dec 31 16:52:48 sorry, I don't get the question Dec 31 16:53:54 see http://neo900.org/#news Dec 31 16:54:43 hm, nice Dec 31 16:58:47 I'm out bye! Dec 31 17:03:17 DocScrutinizer05: can i pm you ? Dec 31 17:03:31 regarding what? Dec 31 17:03:37 pm is overhead Dec 31 17:03:49 or are you talking about a /query? Dec 31 17:04:53 of course you can /query me Dec 31 17:05:11 please NO pm on tmo Dec 31 17:05:24 and email only when there#s good reason for it Dec 31 17:08:46 DocScrutinizer05: not email, pm here in irc Dec 31 17:11:42 ~joerg Dec 31 17:11:42 rumour has it, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer Dec 31 17:12:53 http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/ Dec 31 17:13:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG Dec 31 17:14:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council Dec 31 17:14:41 http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2010-April/002611.html Dec 31 17:24:23 fremantle porting task force ? who constitute this team ? where can i see what help they are in need now ? Dec 31 17:24:27 DocScrutinizer05: ^ Dec 31 17:24:54 basically that's freemangordon and a few other guys Dec 31 17:25:29 communication is mainly done over at #maemo-ssu (though I wonder if that's not a bit confusing) Dec 31 17:26:27 ~fptf Dec 31 17:26:28 rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Dec 31 17:27:30 freemangordon: you honestly should post a bit more about current state of things on ^^^ thread Dec 31 17:28:16 it's pretty hard to introduce new volunteers like solofight to FPTF when there's no summary anywhere Dec 31 17:29:40 solofight: you should pester freemangordon about what's current state of FPTF, who's contributing what, and how to help Dec 31 17:31:20 freemangordon: you also can check the #maemo-ssu irclog (see /topic over there) for yesterday's communication between freemangordon and ravelo_ Dec 31 17:31:28 solofight: ^^^ Dec 31 17:31:41 (sorry, ETAB) Dec 31 17:35:11 sure - looking at it now Dec 31 17:35:14 thanks Dec 31 17:44:15 Ok frm the discussion i understand that i definitely need a hw to help... there are no emulators/simulators to do this job ? Dec 31 17:44:47 * solofight is looking at scratchbox documentation Dec 31 17:45:11 freemangordon: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/tutorial.html gives me 404 Dec 31 17:53:59 solofight: the scratchbox docs are sparse and pretty outdated, when available at all. You don't need them however. Just follow the maemo SDK instructions Dec 31 17:54:37 ~sb Dec 31 17:54:38 extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 Dec 31 17:55:32 we inherited that stuff when it was about to go down completely, and it seems what we inherited is missing a few bits on docs and mailinglists etc Dec 31 17:57:44 I just had the strange idea to look at #jollamobile chanlog, and what is first I see? -> Dec 31 17:57:48 2013-12-31T05:40:46 so, i have unboxed my jolla and Dec 31 17:57:50 2013-12-31T05:40:49 only 900/2100 umts? Dec 31 17:57:51 2013-12-31T05:41:06 being in the US, this means i'll be stuck on a (shrinking, soon to be decommissioned) EDGE network Dec 31 17:59:09 I honestly think it needs to invent the Murphy cup in Platinum to award it to Jolla Dec 31 18:00:38 hope they won't get nominated for the Darwin Award Dec 31 18:01:59 it's remarkable anyway how almost 100% of all their problems are directly or indirectly related to (lack of, or poor) communication Dec 31 18:27:02 * DocScrutinizer05 sighs while watching awesome stuff like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRil6iP4GXw Dec 31 20:29:48 <{lol}> someone talk to me please Dec 31 20:29:59 <{lol}> I must check something Dec 31 20:30:23 lol Dec 31 20:31:05 meow Dec 31 20:31:08 :3 Dec 31 20:31:32 <{lol}> thank you Dec 31 21:05:45 infobot: talk to lol Dec 31 21:05:47 * infobot chatters endlessly to to lol Dec 31 21:06:21 infobot: talk the hand Dec 31 21:06:22 * infobot chatters endlessly to the hand Jan 01 00:21:28 DocScrutinizer05; they're probably going to do it like Samsung does Jan 01 00:21:40 separate model for every country/area Jan 01 00:22:34 Samsung on top of that regionlocks to prevent devices meant for asia working in europe even if the frequency support was compatible Jan 01 00:24:02 They need TDD for china anyways :/ Jan 01 01:02:33 Happy 2014 everyone! 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