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Jan 06 05:40:59 <solofight> when i do "sudo gainroot" it never asks me for the root password !
Jan 06 05:41:19 <solofight> i feel insecure with this mode of operation -- how do i change this ?
Jan 06 05:44:16 <solofight> in linux usually the terminal offers you limited powers and you have to sudo to gain more powers right !
Jan 06 05:44:23 <solofight> how do i make the same way for the xterminal ?
Jan 06 07:43:14 <Apic> Re.
Jan 06 07:46:25 <solofight> ok i waited for some time now so il repost
Jan 06 07:46:30 <solofight> when i do "sudo gainroot" it never asks me for the root password !
Jan 06 07:46:32 <solofight> i feel insecure with this mode of operation -- how do i change this ?
Jan 06 07:46:35 <solofight> in linux usually the terminal offers you limited powers and you have to sudo to gain more powers right !
Jan 06 07:46:37 <solofight> how do i make the same way for the xterminal ?
Jan 06 07:47:26 <freemangordon_> solofight: what? you are user "user" by default
Jan 06 07:48:45 <freemangordon_> solofight: remove "rootsh" package and you are ok with "sudo gainroot"
Jan 06 07:48:55 <solofight> freemangordon_: ahh ok
Jan 06 07:49:16 <solofight> and is it possible to say that without the root password nobody can install or uninstall or do any setting change in my phone ?
Jan 06 07:49:51 <freemangordon> solofight: it can, via application manager (install/uninstall)
Jan 06 07:49:59 <freemangordon> s/it/he
Jan 06 07:50:14 <solofight> i tried applock applicaiton but when i open the applicaiton via GUI it waits for some time and goes back to the desktop (no appliaction opens)
Jan 06 07:50:41 <freemangordon> solofight: did you read what "applock" does?
Jan 06 07:51:19 <freemangordon> solofight: just set a lock code to the device, that way noone can access it wihout entering the code
Jan 06 07:51:27 <solofight> freemangordon: yes, my understanding was it locks applications.... so that when a user tries to open the application it will ask for password/code and then unlock the app
Jan 06 07:52:12 <solofight> freemangordon: say for example if i give the device to my friend/kids/etc to make a call/to play games .....etc - he cannot mess up with the settings
Jan 06 07:52:22 <freemangordon> solofight: iirc, applock is a hack that puts itself in place of the real application. and it has some problems, iirc
Jan 06 07:52:40 <solofight> freemangordon: problems like  ?
Jan 06 07:53:05 <freemangordon> solofight: can't exactly remember, but there were, search on TMO
Jan 06 07:54:00 <freemangordon> solofight: I don;t think there is solution to the "friends/kids" problem, I usually solve that by saying - "be careful" :D
Jan 06 07:56:31 <solofight> :P
Jan 06 07:58:41 <freemangordon>  solofight: check on #maemo-ssu
Jan 06 08:27:09 <solofight> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.domobile.applock&hl=en
Jan 06 09:32:29 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: tell me this - there seems to be a lack of mainteners for many *good* applications in maemo.... wont this drive away the user base ?
Jan 06 09:33:00 <solofight> i mean - people now a days buy smart phones mainly for the apps which can power the phones and help them in everyday activities
Jan 06 09:33:08 <solofight> whats planned for maemo in this area ?
Jan 06 09:35:03 <DocScrutinizer05> solofight: maemo is FOSS. who might "plan" something for it?
Jan 06 09:35:38 <DocScrutinizer05> re sudo gainroot, see
Jan 06 09:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Jan 06 09:35:42 <infobot> [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Jan 06 09:35:53 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: not a single person - i am asking whether is there a roadmap for future of maemo ?
Jan 06 09:36:05 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Jan 06 09:36:16 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: can neo900 run android ?
Jan 06 09:36:29 <solofight> !
Jan 06 09:36:57 <DocScrutinizer05> not really, except for porting it to Neo900 (and thus to other similar and further on maybe not so similar platforms)
Jan 06 09:37:26 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, why shouldn't neo900 be able to run android?
Jan 06 09:37:43 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: is that a yes ?
Jan 06 09:37:58 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, android can get ported to neo900
Jan 06 09:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> see
Jan 06 09:38:00 <solofight> you mean neo900 can run it ?
Jan 06 09:38:04 <DocScrutinizer05> neo900.org
Jan 06 09:45:30 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: i understand that its going to be open code.. it supports shr and freesmart phone os - am just asking whether its compatible with ubuntu or android
Jan 06 09:45:42 <solofight> android mainly - because of their active applicaiton base
Jan 06 09:45:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ooooh, it would be a *brilliant* idea when somebody would implement that applock-function into hildon's applauncher, based on a new tag in .desktop file: X-MAEMO-APPLOCK or whatever
Jan 06 09:46:45 <DocScrutinizer05> solofight: how can a hardware be compatible to a software?
Jan 06 09:47:06 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: and asking for the device lock code for the restricted applications?
Jan 06 09:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> solofight: Neo900 ships with no software, basically. It's up to community to port whatever OS they want to Neo900
Jan 06 09:47:46 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: well, first approach: yes
Jan 06 09:48:01 <freemangordon> hmm, makes sense
Jan 06 09:48:15 <freemangordon> we could ask arcean if he wants to implement that
Jan 06 09:48:29 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: reg Applock ++
Jan 06 09:48:59 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: reg H/w dependancy on S/w - i understand that it depends on the drivers lying with the S/w right ?
Jan 06 09:50:24 <freemangordon> shit, lkml is down :(
Jan 06 09:50:32 <freemangordon> lkml.org that is
Jan 06 09:53:47 <DocScrutinizer05> solofight: we provide all docs/specs/datasheets for developing drivers for Neo900 hardware
Jan 06 09:54:36 <DocScrutinizer05> solofight: we also will ship a BoardSupportPackage (BSP) that will come with most or even all drivers for the hw, based on a plain debian system
Jan 06 09:54:43 <solofight> DocScrutinizer05: just an approximate number on users of n900 ?
Jan 06 09:54:51 <DocScrutinizer05> solofight: we will NOT provide drivers for android
Jan 06 09:55:07 <DocScrutinizer05> right now? and active?
Jan 06 09:55:51 <DocScrutinizer05> (users of n900 that is)
Jan 06 09:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> a ~one year ago there been ~30k update downloads
Jan 06 09:57:59 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't count lately, so might be less (or even more) meanwhile
Jan 06 10:07:10 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: seems yesterday some stuff went south in internet at large. Freenode had a allegedly 12h of continuous netsplit, my box sufered the most massive cracking attack ever, and now lkml... :-S
Jan 06 11:06:55 <merlin1991> hm I should go check my logs
Jan 06 11:21:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 1.2MB log summary here
Jan 06 11:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> usual carp:
Jan 06 11:22:25 <DocScrutinizer05>  pam_unix(smtp:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost= 
Jan 06 11:22:26 <DocScrutinizer05>  pam_succeed_if(smtp:auth): error retrieving information about user aaron
Jan 06 11:22:28 <DocScrutinizer05>  pam_unix(smtp:auth): check pass; user unknown
Jan 06 11:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wonder how to block that with fail2ban or a netfilter rule
Jan 06 13:08:59 <solofight> whoa any idea how to reset smscon password ?
Jan 06 16:41:03 <sixwheeledbeast> solofight: uninstall all packages then 'rm -rf "/opt/smscon" "/opt/smscon-editor"' then reinstall from scratch.
Jan 06 16:41:48 <sixwheeledbeast> all packages as in smscon and smscon-editor, obviously ;)
Jan 06 20:13:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ummm
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