**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 11 02:59:58 2014 Jan 11 05:49:01 hey DocScrutinizer05 . its not asking me to choose mass storage mode. what should I do? Jan 11 05:49:10 just charging.. Jan 11 05:49:22 and battery is already full. Jan 11 05:49:31 I need to copy some data quick.. Jan 11 05:54:11 reboot PC solved it :) Jan 11 09:18:11 hmm ... Just seen an advert for sky giving free wireless N booster with there broadband. Why a Wireless N router needs boosting on domestic broadband is beyond me. Unless you fancy sharing your connection with all your neighbours. Jan 11 09:24:45 You could collect all of their cookies. All of them. Jan 11 09:37:01 It's just a big advertisement scam "We have the broadband router with the largest range and fastest speed" however they don't tell you your inet connection could be <1Mb down. Jan 11 10:22:58 why would anyone want to sign up with Sky anyway? Jan 11 10:23:36 because "We have the broadband router with the largest range and fastest speed" ;) Jan 11 12:07:19 Doc, was the bug report about HD crashing on malformed transitions.ini created? Jan 11 12:08:20 I'm going to. Not that it's such a big problem, but it would be better if it didn't crash Jan 11 12:14:10 DocScrutinizer05, ^ Jan 11 12:22:11 also, what about my request to maintain ssh-status? Jan 11 12:23:04 Can someone at least reject it? Jan 11 12:31:22 int_ua: freemangordon noticed it and said he might have a look into it, dunno if it already dropped off the lower end of his priority list Jan 11 12:31:49 I'll have a look at your request Jan 11 12:39:59 int_ua: ssh-status-applet? Jan 11 12:40:33 (believe it or not, I can't find the page with pending maintainer requests) Jan 11 12:41:43 just "ssh-status" Jan 11 12:42:09 Does it even exist? Jan 11 12:42:15 damn, don't see that project Jan 11 12:42:52 Maybe all the requests were just sent on email somewhere? Jan 11 12:43:18 http://maemo.org/packages/view/ssh-status/ Jan 11 12:43:20 I have no clue what request you were sending, and for what exactly Jan 11 12:43:25 mhm Jan 11 12:43:35 int_ua: is there a bug on BMO? Jan 11 12:43:47 please request again Jan 11 12:44:11 btw I added you to ssh-status-applet ;-P Jan 11 12:44:21 freemangordon, about malformed transitions? I was just asking the same question: should I file it? Jan 11 12:44:29 int_ua: yes Jan 11 12:44:32 please Jan 11 12:44:36 ok Jan 11 12:45:05 Doc, I can't, the link is gone :) Jan 11 12:45:07 int_ua: please request maintainership NOW Jan 11 12:45:30 oh Jan 11 12:45:32 wait Jan 11 12:45:36 then you're either not logged in or already maintainer Jan 11 12:45:37 DocScrutinizer05: I don;t think one can request maintainership twice Jan 11 12:45:51 I'm not logged in :] Jan 11 12:45:56 :) Jan 11 12:46:43 and freemangordon is right, still no link Jan 11 12:47:32 aaah, so *I* found a link "process pending requests" ;-D Jan 11 12:47:42 done Jan 11 12:47:50 ^_^ Jan 11 12:48:17 int_ua: please, please, bring back that "shield" icon, ssh-status looks ugly otherwise :D Jan 11 12:48:30 BTW, ssh-status-applet doesn't exist, but it looks like a good idea for renaming Jan 11 12:48:32 * freemangordon has discovered that package few days ago Jan 11 12:49:56 know what? I'm tired of handling those maintainer approvals for stuff that's most likely abandonware, like musorgski. I'll do a mass approval now, since it doesn't kick out original maintainers anyway Jan 11 12:50:32 freemangordon: *sadly* also removing it was against some UI guides, wasnt't it? But it's taking the precious space... But OK, I'll return it. Jan 11 12:50:59 int_ua: you can use the icon as a button, ain't? Jan 11 12:51:48 that way you'll not lose precious space, while keeping it looking good Jan 11 12:52:17 yeah, but with the image "SSHD OFF" text along with "killall sshd" barely making it to fit in, IIRC Jan 11 12:52:33 or even better - you can make another icon, with a red stripe on diagonal, and use those 2 to reflect the status Jan 11 12:52:50 you don;t really need that text, see ^^^ Jan 11 12:53:11 I've even created a sword for the second button... Jan 11 12:53:21 hmmm Jan 11 12:53:32 int_ua: ofc it is up to you, but that is not consistent IMO Jan 11 12:54:02 I think it is better to have the icon that reflects the action that will be taken if pressed Jan 11 12:54:27 shiled with a red stripe - disable sshd, shield only - enable ssnd Jan 11 12:54:32 sshd even Jan 11 12:55:07 it could be the opposite ofc - shield only - sshd is currently enable, shield with a red stripe - sshd is currently disabled Jan 11 12:55:37 though I think it is more consistent if you have the icon that will reflect the action that will be taken Jan 11 12:56:11 but shield itself isn't related to sshd for anyone, how would they know it's sshd control? Jan 11 12:56:40 so we at least need the "sshd" label Jan 11 12:56:43 int_ua: oh, wait, you can have hildon-value-button Jan 11 12:56:49 ! Jan 11 12:56:53 which has text on 2 rows Jan 11 12:57:09 see fmtx status applet for example Jan 11 12:57:12 maybe switcher button? Jan 11 12:57:19 ot clock&alarms, etc Jan 11 12:57:21 no Jan 11 12:57:47 but why? Jan 11 12:58:12 so you can have the icon (inactive), text "SSH status" and "off" or "on" and a free space for another button Jan 11 12:58:42 becaue it is ugly in the way it is now (in extras-devel that is) Jan 11 12:58:50 ok Jan 11 12:58:58 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ssh-status/ Jan 11 12:59:26 int_ua: you know what hildon-value-button is, right? Jan 11 12:59:33 please learn to know your project Jan 11 13:00:58 freemangordon: now I'm not sure, checking Jan 11 13:01:20 Doc, oh, I've almost forgot about the garage existance Jan 11 13:01:36 obviously "SSH status" ans "SSH status applet" is the same project Jan 11 13:01:48 int_ua: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/HildonButton.html Jan 11 13:02:22 int_ua: you just need to set the "value" property with the current status (on or off) Jan 11 13:04:18 oh Jan 11 13:05:19 yeah, I've used the value on killall button to hack font size IIRC :] Jan 11 13:08:59 looks like screenshot was lost after moving servers here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6729&group_id=1460&atid=5307 Jan 11 13:16:45 freemangordon: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12722 Jan 11 13:16:47 04Bug 12722: hildon-desktop crashes on malformed transitions.ini Jan 11 13:21:57 freemangordon: what do you think of dimming instead of crossing out the shield? Jan 11 13:22:23 int_ua: thanks for the bug report Jan 11 13:23:08 int_ua: up to you, it even could be only one icon, as long as there is on/off status reported Jan 11 13:23:57 int_ua: keep in mind the dimming depends on the current brightness setting as well as on ambient light :) Jan 11 13:26:16 DocScrutinizer05: you left me to sort though the maintainer requests and only approve trust worthy ones, a while ago when merlin was missing. I emailed most of the maintainers requesting and was waiting a reply. Most should have been rejected IIRC Jan 11 13:32:38 Well the older ones anyway. I had not checked in short while as I can never find the damn page. I have to find a package with a request to locate the link. Jan 11 13:34:37 oh while I remember freemangordon can you remember why extkbd 1.0.3 never reached testing? http://maemo.org/packages/view/extkbd/ Jan 11 13:34:59 I never pushed it iirc :) Jan 11 13:36:36 IIRC you said there was some reason but you'd have to check, then probably got busy doing more important greatest somewhere else ;) Jan 11 13:36:54 s/greatest/greatness Jan 11 13:36:56 could be Jan 11 14:03:01 DocScrutinizer05: what had to be changed in mce to fix that als bug? Jan 11 14:08:03 err, didn't I post the "diff2 on tmo? Jan 11 14:08:09 "diff" Jan 11 14:08:22 hmm, didn't you paste binary diff? Jan 11 14:08:28 change one byte from 00 to err 05 or sth Jan 11 14:08:34 no Jan 11 14:08:44 ok, will try to find it Jan 11 14:08:52 I also pasted a source snippet iirc Jan 11 14:08:55 ok Jan 11 14:10:32 sixwheeledbeast: why >>Most should have been rejected IIRC< http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ Jan 11 14:12:28 I bookmarked it now Jan 11 14:13:18 IIRC most where from a while ago and the maintainers that requested to be maintainers are AWOL, I tried to contact them. I will too thanks. I don't suppose it matters too much Jan 11 14:14:29 is the 3.10-n900 kernel branch booting maemo? Jan 11 14:15:24 sixwheeledbeast: when original maintainers are not available, what's the problem with adding a new maintainer to a project? Jan 11 14:16:31 the persons that requested are no longer active, so I see no reason to add them. Jan 11 14:17:08 hm... Jan 11 14:17:19 is there some app/way to emulate right click? Jan 11 14:17:31 well, ok, then it won't do any harm either Jan 11 14:17:46 for example, in desktop apps from arch linux chroot Jan 11 14:18:22 I suppose not as long as no one complains. Jan 11 14:19:32 vakkov: IIRC yes but some bits don't work. Jan 11 14:20:26 Ashley`: not AFAIK unless it's been provided in the application Jan 11 14:20:50 sad :f Jan 11 14:21:04 is there any way to bind it to long press (touch)? Jan 11 14:21:23 or something like Fn+click? Jan 11 14:42:54 DocScrutinizer05: I looked at your list and they are all new requests that I had never seen before, so I recalled incorrectly. I must have sorted the others. Your list contains active trusted members indeed Jan 11 14:49:44 Ashley`: ideally this had to get included into touchscreen kernel driver Jan 11 14:50:24 and apps like microb would have to be patched to use it instead of doing own magic for it Jan 11 14:50:54 and many other aps that have long-press binded to something Jan 11 14:51:38 *apps Jan 11 14:52:04 long press can be used in Qt apps as a right click effort Jan 11 14:52:44 well, those apps that do long-press magic internally will have to ignore true RMB event from TS input device Jan 11 14:53:14 which is a bit cumbersome since probably X11 doesn't distinguish between TS and a real external mouse Jan 11 14:53:15 or use that event :P Jan 11 14:53:43 use that event means the app breaks for all users not using the patch Jan 11 14:53:58 hm... yeah Jan 11 14:53:59 brb Jan 11 14:55:12 I saw no reason for apps doing this behaviour in first place and found it silly... Jan 11 14:55:17 though, I dunno how apps act when two RMB-down events happen Jan 11 14:55:40 * FIQ would always have preferred longpress to be rightclick natively Jan 11 14:55:48 yep Jan 11 14:56:10 RMB-down to be more specific Jan 11 14:56:26 yeah Jan 11 14:56:39 what does "extmou" do for RMB-down? Jan 11 14:56:51 nfc Jan 11 14:57:13 me either Jan 11 14:58:44 i'll do some research when I get microusb <-> normal usb cable :P Jan 11 15:01:14 that cable is called "usb otg", am i right? Jan 11 15:05:59 Also, why google is linking to TMO by ip instead of domain? Jan 11 15:06:41 google doesn't do that for me, but it *did* kill links earlier somehow Jan 11 15:06:57 by *url escaping* ?p=whatever Jan 11 15:07:31 s/escaping/encoding/ Jan 11 15:07:32 FIQ meant: by *url encoding* ?p=whatever Jan 11 15:08:26 hmmm Jan 11 15:08:48 it doesn't always link to IP, but sometimes it does (for me) Jan 11 15:10:00 http://ashley.re/ss/2014-01-11-160927_1280x1024_scrot.png Jan 11 15:14:45 CBA with google. DDG FTW :) Jan 11 15:14:57 what means "CBA"? :f Jan 11 15:15:07 can't be arsed Jan 11 15:15:33 oh Jan 11 15:15:34 brb Jan 11 15:16:23 I don't really care about all that NSA sh*t… Jan 11 15:16:50 I care about people standing behind me and looking at my screen :v Jan 11 15:16:55 they're more dangerous :v Jan 11 15:17:04 this is what I get https://duckduckgo.com/?q=maemo+cssu+testing+thread Jan 11 15:18:11 heh Jan 11 15:18:18 (google) caused by temporary availability of new tmo 8during move to community infra) only via IP Jan 11 15:19:16 oh Jan 11 15:19:29 Ashley`: I tend to be dangerous for people standing behind me Jan 11 15:19:43 DocScrutinizer05, :D Jan 11 15:19:52 particularly when looking at my screen Jan 11 15:20:24 It's not that I'm hiding something... I just... I just can't do anything when someone is looking at my screen :f Jan 11 15:21:01 you can rise your head to God, all of a sudden ;-D Jan 11 15:21:21 caused an occasional broken nose Jan 11 15:21:31 not my nose though Jan 11 15:21:45 ;-P Jan 11 15:22:16 also bending right knee has usually a good effect Jan 11 15:23:08 or you stick a laser to your device, pointing roughly into the direction of your right shoulder Jan 11 15:25:57 lolol Jan 11 15:32:35 DocScrutinizer05, I usually just send message in active chat window "Oh, an idiot is looking at my screen, can't talk now" or something like that Jan 11 15:33:44 start camera app on front cam! Jan 11 15:34:20 ;-) a few nice snapshots, and then ask "do you want me to send those pictures to your device?" Jan 11 15:35:09 "nevermind, I already did. And i attached a nice virus for you to evaluate" Jan 11 15:35:46 "really, highly intriguing stuff, that virus! have a look at it!" Jan 11 15:36:12 "DO NOT START IT! I bet you knew that already" Jan 11 15:36:23 xD Jan 11 15:38:31 "oh, it sometimes is a tad hidden so you need to dig in your filesystem for it. You know, it's a virus, it's designed to not show up usually. OOOPS it might have made invisible the pictures I sent, too" Jan 11 15:39:20 "hand me your device, I fix that for you" Jan 11 15:39:36 :D Jan 11 15:54:42 btw i tend to BT-name my devices "virus-1" etc Jan 11 15:55:25 a friend of mine calls his BT device "System Update" Jan 11 15:55:36 ;-P Jan 11 15:56:57 :) Jan 11 15:58:21 "do you want to allow System Update to connect?" Jan 11 15:58:24 DocScrutinizer05, mine device's still called "Nokia N900" xD Jan 11 16:00:16 DocScrutinizer05, My old N95 was "Mobile Network Operator" (in polish, 'coz im in poland :P) Jan 11 16:00:26 hehe Jan 11 16:02:43 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12706 this one can be closed Jan 11 16:02:43 I think "do you want to allow 'free internet access? Press OK' to connect" is a tad too long Jan 11 16:02:44 04Bug 12706: m Jan 11 16:03:10 "m" ??? Jan 11 16:03:25 yeah, exactly Jan 11 16:03:33 wtf? Jan 11 16:04:04 just noticed it Jan 11 16:04:33 Reported: 2013-08-31 02:39 UTC by mostashar Jan 11 16:04:36 where the heck is "INVALID" Jan 11 16:09:25 found it Jan 11 16:23:56 DocScrutinizer05: haha @ system update Jan 11 18:52:38 ~seen int_ua Jan 11 18:52:38 int_ua <~int_ua@ip-602f.proline.net.ua> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 48m 34s ago, saying: 'just noticed it'. Jan 11 18:54:24 I am guessing he's the maintainer of ssh-status? Jan 11 19:01:36 err, since 6 hours? Jan 11 19:01:47 3? Jan 11 19:07:15 ~seen infobot Jan 11 19:07:18 infobot is currently on #utos (2d 6h 23m 5s) #n950club (2d 6h 23m 5s) #asterisk-doc (2d 6h 23m 5s) #botpark (2d 6h 23m 5s) #gsoc (2d 6h 23m 5s) #neo900 (2d 6h 23m 5s) ##t42 (2d 6h 23m 5s) #maemo (2d 6h 23m 5s) #fredlug (2d 6h 23m 5s) ##ols (2d 6h 23m 5s) #asterisk-scf-dev (2d 6h 23m 5s) #flyspray (2d 6h 23m 5s) #asterisk-dev (2d 6h 23m 5s) #bzflag ... Jan 11 19:07:34 ~seen Ashley` Jan 11 19:07:34 ashley` is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen Ashley` '. Jan 11 19:07:51 heh Jan 11 19:10:17 seems the package is missing sources, depends on "sudo" WTFand the changelog must have something wrong with it as that's missing too. Jan 11 19:10:52 ~botsnack Jan 11 19:10:52 sixwheeledbeast: thanks Jan 11 19:11:22 * sixwheeledbeast pats infobot on the head Jan 11 19:18:07 sixwheeledbeast: oh, another messed up package that depends on rootsh? Jan 11 19:18:42 no it depends on "sudo not "rootsh" Jan 11 19:18:45 or did you actually mean "depends on sudo"? Jan 11 19:19:01 well, that seems inevitable Jan 11 19:19:07 * Ashley` is now repartitioning her N900's eMMC Jan 11 19:19:21 I'll fsck everything up, I guess ;_; Jan 11 19:19:35 ~jrtools Jan 11 19:19:35 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 11 19:20:10 or do you just repartition swap into two halves? Jan 11 19:21:23 I'm shrinking MyDocs to 16GB, and growing /home to 13GB Jan 11 19:21:29 ,h, Jan 11 19:21:33 mhm even Jan 11 19:21:49 so you might prefer to have a look at ~jrtools Jan 11 19:23:18 BM, backup /home, flash eMMC-13GB, restore /home Jan 11 19:23:55 make sure BM is on rootfs, not on /opt Jan 11 19:24:10 I guess it must be Jan 11 19:24:21 does sb know if Pali is on IRC Jan 11 19:24:23 gparted is already running xD Jan 11 19:24:35 pali is MIA Jan 11 19:24:44 Ashley`: ok Jan 11 19:25:21 good luck Jan 11 19:25:33 thanks C: Jan 11 19:26:21 it's now resizing home's filesystem Jan 11 19:27:20 okay Jan 11 19:27:20 done Jan 11 19:27:23 reboot. Jan 11 19:31:14 yay, suspense Jan 11 19:32:30 yay, my phone still works Jan 11 19:32:41 increeeeeedible :-) Jan 11 19:33:04 completely with stuff from /opt? Jan 11 19:33:55 /opt is mounted correctly Jan 11 19:34:06 so everything should work, yes? Jan 11 19:34:56 looks like it works. Jan 11 19:34:59 wen it's not empty, then yes Jan 11 19:35:09 ;-) Jan 11 19:35:36 however check camera storing photos to MyDocs Jan 11 19:35:56 and maps tilecache Jan 11 19:36:07 aka offline map data Jan 11 19:37:41 i've never used maps app yet Jan 11 19:38:46 camera works Jan 11 19:39:00 kernel 3.10 stuck at mmu_isp version 1.1... after that it dies Jan 11 19:39:43 FFS! Jan 11 19:39:45 hmmm http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ which one will work in chroot on my n900? Jan 11 19:39:45 t900:/# df -h / Jan 11 19:39:47 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Jan 11 19:39:48 df: /: can't find mount point Jan 11 19:41:01 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31582430 Oct 7 21:42 syslog o.O Jan 11 19:41:30 oops :D Jan 11 19:42:26 t900:/# tail /var/log/syslog Jan 11 19:42:27 Sep 1 19:00:33 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[18782]: outbound(0x5ad50): FAILED with 200 OK Jan 11 19:42:28 Sep 1 19:02:49 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[18782]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/217.10.79.9:54014/sip Jan 11 19:42:30 Sep 1 19:03:03 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[18782]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/217.10.79.9:54014/sip Jan 11 19:44:05 :-S Jan 11 19:44:08 t900:/# uptime Jan 11 19:44:10 20:49:24 up 96 days, 7 min, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Jan 11 19:44:47 reboot is cute Jan 11 19:44:55 :-S **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 12 02:59:59 2014