**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 17 02:59:58 2014 Jan 17 06:18:49 in my n900, when I change the simcard, it does not update the sms messages received. How can I fix that ? Jan 17 10:13:21 ah, got another n900, now I can rest more easy Jan 17 12:07:38 jpinx: that's a problem of your carrier. Not much your phone can do about it Jan 17 12:09:45 sender of SMs even can define an expiration date. AFAIK it can be as short as 6h, after which time an SMS gets discarded when not already sent to destination Jan 17 12:10:31 DocScrutinizer05: sorry -- not sure what you mean -- the SMS is stored on the simcard in my old samsung phone, but when I put that simcard into the n900 the message is not retrievable Jan 17 12:11:09 ooh, SMS on SIM, that's not supported anymore nowadays Jan 17 12:11:29 N900 has a way to import SMS from SIM Jan 17 12:11:41 if there actually are any Jan 17 12:12:09 SMS are regularly stored on phone storage nowadays, not on SIM storage Jan 17 12:12:42 most SIM can't store more than maybe 10 SMS Jan 17 12:13:28 15 years ago the phone signalled "SMS storage full" - that's not happening anymore Jan 17 12:14:00 except for totally cheap feature phones Jan 17 12:14:46 modern SIM may have storage for more SMS, but most phones don't use it Jan 17 12:14:58 ok -- how to get the sms from the sim into the n900 ? :) Jan 17 12:15:22 I guess there must be a menu entry in conversations app Jan 17 12:15:35 nothing in the menu Jan 17 12:15:52 maybe aunt google may help Jan 17 12:15:58 been looking in all the obvious places and googling for days Jan 17 12:16:06 hmm Jan 17 12:16:11 one comment told me that the n900 has no such facility Jan 17 12:16:19 but that was a few years old Jan 17 12:16:31 so I thought someone might have "fixed" it Jan 17 12:17:26 but I guess if you don't know - it doesn't exist :( Jan 17 12:18:30 http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=385779#385779 Jan 17 12:19:37 DocScrutinizer05: yep - saw that one -- it's the one that says there's no way Jan 17 12:20:06 dated 2011 -- "Well, that's the problem. On the N900 there is currently no way to access SIM card's SMS storage. It simply isn't in any way implemented in the system... SIM card's Contacts can be accessed, but not messages. " Jan 17 12:21:23 well, when BB5 modem ISI interface has no way to read data (SMS) from SIM, then your SOL Jan 17 12:21:30 you're Jan 17 12:21:47 I doubt anybody could "fix" that Jan 17 12:22:10 you'll have to use a SIMcardreader Jan 17 12:22:42 those have direct access to the SIM and thus for sure can read out the SMS from card Jan 17 12:22:55 importing the SMS to N900 is another story Jan 17 12:23:39 the BB5 Rapuyama modem is pretty much crippled in a number of aspects Jan 17 12:24:22 you can talk to it via pnatd and "ATxxxx" 'Hayes' commands, but it doesn't understand most of them Jan 17 12:25:14 aah yes, I see, there's only "import *contacts* from SIM" Jan 17 12:26:29 ok -- thanks for looking over the issue :) Jan 17 12:26:32 they didn't bother about SMS Jan 17 12:26:44 I'll need to find another solution Jan 17 12:27:02 and community can't "fix" that, since modem most likely doesn't support Jan 17 12:27:19 yes - if it's hardware I'm scunnered Jan 17 12:28:01 I'll try some other phones and maybe copy the sms into a file that can be simply copied Jan 17 12:28:04 there are cheap-like-dirt SMS card readers to plug to PC's USB Jan 17 12:28:20 SIM card readers* Jan 17 12:28:58 ooh, sure. Many other phones can access SIM via AT interface Jan 17 12:29:10 though I admit to being dismayed that older mthods are made redundant so easily Jan 17 12:29:19 how "stable" is cssu testing? Jan 17 12:29:20 see gnokii, or kandy (linux apps) Jan 17 12:29:26 ie. is it recommended for normal use Jan 17 12:29:32 hope the "new" n900 will have that fixed :) Jan 17 12:30:08 Neo900 modem has a complete comprehensive AT command set support Jan 17 12:30:58 good good :) Jan 17 12:31:33 I have 2 N900's to "trade in" ;) Jan 17 12:34:12 joga: please clarify "normal use" Jan 17 12:34:30 there are stable and testing version for a reason. Jan 17 12:35:13 yeah, in this case it wouldn't be very critical as it's a spare phone, I'm just thinking if you people use it daily Jan 17 12:35:27 but I already clicked on stable so I'll go with it for now :) Jan 17 12:36:52 the problem is we don't have a cssu-experimental, or cssu-revolution Jan 17 12:37:28 so many updates go to cssu-t even when they don't scratch any itch Jan 17 12:39:19 this may result in stuff like filesystem corruption thanks to some new patch tries to handle uSD cards with multiple partitions and thus recovery from unclean shutdown got "fixed to death" (arbitrary made-up example) Jan 17 12:39:56 ok Jan 17 12:40:31 for the record, I stopped updating cssu-t on my daily phone, some 3 or 4 releases back Jan 17 12:41:27 the one I've used for the past years has been pretty static since I did a few hundred modifications and there was nothing else to do heh Jan 17 12:42:02 with this other phone I guess I'll try to keep things a bit simpler for now, the usual tweaks and progs etc Jan 17 12:43:30 go for cssu-s Jan 17 12:43:43 it might still be stable, like it says Jan 17 12:43:49 ye, going Jan 17 12:48:40 i have some ancient cssu manually installed from various debs.. to avoid hitting my custom libvte and xterm :| Jan 17 12:48:53 i trimmed all useless junk ui parts from xterm etc Jan 17 12:48:58 and minimized padding Jan 17 12:52:33 a pity. I just thought "Freon" was a nice name for the fremantle-for Neon (Neo900 board) distro. But it's actually [TM] and not a nice substance either Jan 17 13:46:15 my n900 was delivered yesterday. Time to go pick it up :D Jan 17 14:38:16 b1101: yay Jan 17 15:19:19 can somebody help me with a messed up due to 'dd command' folder ? Jan 17 15:23:01 I could see all the contents while navigating through GUI, but not through CLI, and also that folder shows it uses 113GB. Jan 17 15:23:34 I cannot play videos or copy files. But its there.. Anybody have any idea? Jan 17 15:44:59 never mind.. got it. Jan 17 16:18:02 ...damn it. Uncle put it in his car for when I see him tomorrow. Jan 17 16:19:15 waiting again.. aahh.. Jan 17 16:19:44 I'll keep my self busy coding until then. Jan 17 16:54:51 hehe, the tricks of relatives to make you visit them Jan 17 16:58:01 ? Jan 17 16:58:25 [2014-01-17 17:18:02] ...damn it. Uncle put it in his car for when I see him tomorrow. Jan 17 17:08:36 I'm going to drink with him tomorrow, followed by setting up my n900 when I get home Jan 17 22:51:58 he dropped it off :) time to flash clean Jan 17 23:25:38 buttons!!! I missed these buttons Jan 17 23:27:32 DocScrutinizer05: oh, you're in the same timezone as I am ;) Jan 17 23:32:50 Ashley`: no, I'm not. I have my own TZ: JRTZV Jan 17 23:33:06 huh? Jan 17 23:33:12 hail pichlo! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1407199#post1407199 Jan 17 23:33:59 Ashley`: lemme check.... maybe... UH.... 13:40 in my private timezone Jan 17 23:34:42 [2014-01-17 17:18:02] ...damn it. Uncle put it in his car for when I see him tomorrow. Jan 17 23:34:48 and in my logs: Jan 17 23:34:58 though, to describe the feeling and time I sense, not even the dyscordian calendar suffices. LOTS of shit happening Jan 17 23:35:04 [17:18:02] ...damn it. Uncle put it in his car for when I see him tomorrow. Jan 17 23:36:39 Woody bailing out, in a very depressing way and for even more sad reasons once you start to think about it Jan 17 23:37:08 and that's ruining my week, together with other shit happening Jan 17 23:37:54 anyway, hope he will be well soon Jan 17 23:39:03 woody, take care! Jan 17 23:42:46 on a sidenote: I suggest everybody makes sure you got all the core data you need to continue using your N900 (like flasher, fiasco-images, SDK, eMMC, VM-image, ...) Jan 17 23:42:53 Nokia sold to M$ Jan 17 23:43:04 up to you to conclude Jan 17 23:43:30 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ Jan 17 23:44:01 hm... Jan 17 23:44:57 friends share such vital data via P2P aka torrents Jan 17 23:48:02 I got my local copies of the most important data. Alas I may not share, thus the according dirs on maemo.cloud-7.de are not publicly accessible Jan 17 23:49:36 but I suggest everybody gets his own local copy right now! Jan 17 23:50:14 even if you never before flashed your device - eventually you might have to Jan 17 23:51:01 and while for flasher-3.5 there's a FOSS alternative thanks to pali, for the firmware images you're on your own Jan 17 23:51:15 I have sdk, images, flasher Jan 17 23:51:32 then I think you're not nervous now. Good! Jan 17 23:51:42 please consider torrents or whatever Jan 17 23:52:06 not now :P Jan 17 23:52:11 others might be less licky than you Jan 17 23:52:18 lucky even Jan 17 23:53:59 But I don't know if I am able to seed... I think my ISP've blocked seeding torrents (downloading works fine) Jan 17 23:54:07 I just hope it's not yet a crime to *suggest* torrents Jan 17 23:55:16 well, I'm confident this community will handle this situation, like always, in an awesome way Jan 17 23:56:57 just a sidenote: when I'd search for the files, I'd manage to find the original complete filename in wiki or chanlogs or whatever, so no need to ponder what fantasy names somebody might have assigned to the torrent she shares Jan 17 23:59:15 I think some users even might consider a class action against Nokia for not providing vital data anymore for a product that been in official sales just 18 months ago Jan 18 00:00:48 holding this phone again only reminds me about how badly nokia fucked it up Jan 18 00:01:00 not the phone itself, but in their direction Jan 18 00:01:07 yep Jan 18 00:01:41 they had an awesome community (this one) and didn't know what to do with it Jan 18 00:02:02 epic fail Jan 18 00:03:14 should I remove any of the default repositories at this point ? Jan 18 00:03:50 not yet. They will start to fail soon enough Jan 18 00:04:26 DocScrutinizer05: sup Jan 18 00:04:32 merlin1991: \o Jan 18 00:05:04 anyway, nokia standard repos have zilch that's not in: Jan 18 00:05:07 ~pr131 Jan 18 00:05:09 hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ ) Jan 18 00:05:38 so you better get your provate local copy of fiasco image Jan 18 00:05:48 private, as well Jan 18 00:06:17 maeno.org is kinda safe, all of it Jan 18 00:06:33 *.maemo.org Jan 18 00:06:58 nokia.com is at everybody's guess Jan 18 00:07:55 sorry for HARM, their devices will probably cease to work as soon as Nokia tears down those servers/repos/appshop/whatever Jan 18 00:08:49 we knew that since beginning, nobody been interested (or they refused to get a N9) Jan 18 00:10:27 nota bene, even your humble council can't help you out when you miss to save your data right now and eventually last source of FIASCO goes offline Jan 18 00:17:47 ZogG_laptop: ? Jan 18 01:16:54 how do I get on hold of flashing images? Jan 18 01:18:01 nvm Jan 18 01:18:05 foudn in backlog Jan 18 01:22:40 hm Jan 18 01:22:56 I have flasher-3.5 and image of PR1.3.1 here Jan 18 01:23:07 if I intend to use maemo SDK at some point, do I need more stuff that will go offline? Jan 18 01:33:04 you should try to get the VM inage I guess Jan 18 01:34:18 and I dunno, maybe even update it, since some stuff might be in nokia repos only Jan 18 01:34:44 ask the developers about that, I'm not really one of that crew **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 18 02:59:59 2014