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Jan 24 11:15:47 <hanner> hi
Jan 24 11:16:13 <hanner> did anyone save ht efirmware images for n900 anywhere?
Jan 24 11:16:30 <hanner> trying to reflash here, all links on the wiki dead :/
Jan 24 11:18:02 <Ashley`> http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/
Jan 24 11:18:53 <hanner> thanks a lot :)
Jan 24 11:19:32 <Ashley`> No problem :P
Jan 24 11:22:30 <Ashley`> (i have also RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and  RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin on my HDD, just in case)
Jan 24 11:29:50 <FIQ> hm
Jan 24 11:29:51 <FIQ> RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 24 11:29:58 <FIQ> is your combined released later?
Jan 24 11:30:06 <FIQ> (never understood how these numbers worked)
Jan 24 11:33:43 <wnd> iirc year + week number (based on which calendar?)
Jan 24 11:43:42 <Ashley`> <FIQ> is your combined released later?
Jan 24 11:43:46 <Ashley`> I don't know
Jan 24 11:44:05 <Ashley`> I knew nothing about n900 when I downloaded it
Jan 24 11:44:12 <Ashley`> (i still know nothing xD)
Jan 24 11:44:17 <Ashley`> but it works
Jan 24 11:44:53 <Ashley`> (maybe that causes u-boot error? :s) 
Jan 24 11:49:05 <wnd>  know there's a dead thread about this at tmo, but I shall give it a try anyway. Do you happen to have backups for any of the map packages for N810's Maps around?
Jan 24 11:49:52 <jaska> hmm.. werent those demand-loaded by the maps application? or am i imagining
Jan 24 11:50:07 <jaska> and you had to have some sort of license for them
Jan 24 11:51:16 <wnd> hey were, but at one point you could get those from navicore's web server by simply going on the index page of the files. Yes I know, redistributing the files would be, umm, questionable at best.
Jan 24 11:52:45 <wnd> the last I asked my co-worker, he didn't manage to rebuild the maps from one of his old harddrives from his Navicore days
Jan 24 11:56:58 <wnd> demand-loaded as in pre-retrieved by region (e.g. scandinavia and north america), but only after user interaction
Jan 24 12:12:13 <Ashley`> hmmm
Jan 24 12:12:41 <Ashley`> anyone remember talk about right click by long-press?
Jan 24 12:12:52 <Ashley`> maybe I'll find it in logs..
Jan 24 12:17:44 <Ashley`> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-01-11.log.html#t2014-01-11T16:52:44
Jan 24 12:18:08 <Ashley`> MicroB doesn't give a fsck about RMB event
Jan 24 12:19:59 <Ashley`> Xchat does...
Jan 24 12:20:09 <Ashley`> It's probably because it's port of desktop aplication :P
Jan 24 12:20:57 <trx> what do you mean?
Jan 24 12:21:12 <trx> microB responds to right click
Jan 24 12:21:24 <Ashley`> not for me
Jan 24 12:21:31 <Ashley`> oh
Jan 24 12:21:35 <Ashley`> it does now
Jan 24 12:21:38 <trx> ;)
Jan 24 12:21:40 <Ashley`> it was probably to busy
Jan 24 12:21:47 <Ashley`> to respond at first try
Jan 24 12:21:47 <Ashley`> xD
Jan 24 12:23:16 <Ashley`> (pacman and LXDE and microb were running simul.. sim... let me google that word... simultaneously! yeah, they were runing simultaneously)
Jan 24 12:46:08 <Ashley`> Is there something like BlueMaemo, but using LAN or USB instead of Bluetooth?
Jan 24 12:46:26 <Ashley`> I don't have bluetooth in any of my computers :f
Jan 24 13:16:57 <hxka> Ashley`: For USB I only found this topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62071
Jan 24 13:17:13 <hxka> For network, well, you can use vnc
Jan 24 13:17:46 <hxka> http://wiki.maemo.org/Remote_desktop
Jan 24 15:26:31 <hanning> hey
Jan 24 15:26:51 <hanning> does anyone know what happened to the icecast2 package for maemo?
Jan 24 15:27:24 <hanning> looks like it once was available in extras-testing
Jan 24 15:29:06 <sixwheeledbeast> ~pkg
Jan 24 15:29:06 <infobot> [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/
Jan 24 15:30:55 <sixwheeledbeast> http://maemo.org/packages/view/icecast2/ I suspect it's unavailable via HAM due to incorrect section in control file
Jan 24 15:31:37 <sixwheeledbeast> but nothing has "happened" to that pkg since 2010
Jan 24 15:32:39 <hanning> hm
Jan 24 19:02:49 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; busybox nice seems a bit broken anyway
Jan 24 19:03:06 <ShadowJK> The intention was to run at idle prio
Jan 24 19:04:36 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: hmm, I am almost sure renice works
Jan 24 19:04:55 <ShadowJK> "nice" not "renice"
Jan 24 19:05:16 <freemangordon> but don;t they do similar things?
Jan 24 19:05:25 <freemangordon> I know nice is not renoce :)
Jan 24 19:05:30 <freemangordon> *renice
Jan 24 19:05:48 <ShadowJK> "nice top" should run top at niceness 10, iirc
Jan 24 19:05:58 <ShadowJK> seems to end up as 0 anyway :)
Jan 24 19:06:19 <ShadowJK> busybox or ohmd, I guess?
Jan 24 19:07:21 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; swapoff uses horribly inefficient algorithm and is kinda CPU-bound, so if it ran at -20 it would be bad. Idle prio desireable :)
Jan 24 19:07:42 <freemangordon> most probably bb, iirc ohmd/cgroups does not do any special handling besides the stuff in /syspart
Jan 24 19:12:13 <ShadowJK> docscrutinizer: also, no background process present
Jan 24 19:13:32 <ShadowJK> Last two lines: turn off emmc swap, but turn it on again (defaults to lower priority than uSD), just in case I for some reason manually disable uSD swap in case I want to remove the back cover or something, and forget to enable emmc swap first...
Jan 24 19:18:54 <DocScrutinizer05> busybox nice is fubar
Jan 24 19:19:06 <DocScrutinizer05> s/nice//
Jan 24 19:19:06 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: busybox  is fubar
Jan 24 19:20:38 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# which nice
Jan 24 19:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/bin/gnu/nice
Jan 24 19:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> drove me crazy while testing childspin
Jan 24 19:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> when users say the *want* busybox, i honestly question their sanity
Jan 24 19:22:30 <DocScrutinizer05> they*
Jan 24 19:22:48 <DocScrutinizer05> messybox is a POS
Jan 24 19:23:07 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, busybox is excellent, for the stuff it's ment for
Jan 24 19:23:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Jan 24 19:23:13 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:24:49 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, messybox is messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:24:49 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: I think you lost me on that one
Jan 24 19:25:11 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:25:11 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jan 24 19:25:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Jan 24 19:25:27 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:26:04 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:26:04 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jan 24 19:26:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Jan 24 19:26:07 <infobot> from memory, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:27:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: busybox nice needs to get done via renice, *after* starting the process you want to assign a niceness to, obviously
Jan 24 19:28:41 <ShadowJK> My current version contains killall -STOP browserd at the start, and -CONT at the end :-)
Jan 24 19:28:44 <Ashley`> test
Jan 24 19:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> fail
Jan 24 19:28:52 <Ashley`> s/e/oa/g
Jan 24 19:28:52 <infobot> Ashley` meant: toast
Jan 24 19:28:57 <Ashley`> oh
Jan 24 19:29:00 <Ashley`> cool
Jan 24 19:29:09 <DocScrutinizer05> why /g ?
Jan 24 19:29:25 <Ashley`> i dont know... :|
Jan 24 19:29:36 <DocScrutinizer05> you dont need /g unless you want all occurrences
Jan 24 19:29:44 <Ashley`> I know :v
Jan 24 19:29:44 <DocScrutinizer05> s/o/X/
Jan 24 19:29:45 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: yXu dont need /g unless you want all occurrences
Jan 24 19:29:49 <DocScrutinizer05> s/o/X/g
Jan 24 19:29:49 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: yXu dXnt need /g unless yXu want all Xccurrences
Jan 24 19:30:51 <DocScrutinizer05> however infobot does no proper perl regex, rather a silly findstr and replace
Jan 24 19:31:12 <DocScrutinizer05> no wildccards, no delimiters other than /, no special cjars in string
Jan 24 19:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> s./."/".
Jan 24 19:32:08 <DocScrutinizer05> fails for 7 out of 8 chars
Jan 24 19:32:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ;)
Jan 24 19:32:22 <Ashley`> ~Ashley`
Jan 24 19:32:23 <infobot> methinks ashley` is a cat
Jan 24 19:32:26 <Ashley`> yay
Jan 24 19:32:29 <Ashley`> xD
Jan 24 19:32:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo Ashley`
Jan 24 19:32:40 <infobot> ashley` -- created by Ashley` <me@unaffiliated/ashley/x-5226587> 47s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by Ashley`, 17s ago.
Jan 24 19:33:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you can even lock your "own" factoid
Jan 24 19:33:28 <DocScrutinizer05> like ~lock Ashley`
Jan 24 19:33:34 <Ashley`> ~infobot
Jan 24 19:33:34 <infobot> rumour has it, infobot is an IRC bot written in perl. Sources available on http://infobot.sourceforge.net/
Jan 24 19:33:45 <Ashley`> ~lock Ashley`
Jan 24 19:33:45 <infobot> locking factoid ashley`, Ashley`
Jan 24 19:33:48 <Ashley`> huh
Jan 24 19:34:27 <Ashley`> i dont like perl :P
Jan 24 19:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> now no trolls can mess with your nick factoid
Jan 24 19:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> wo does?
Jan 24 19:34:54 <Ashley`> ~perl
Jan 24 19:34:55 <infobot> perl is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language
Jan 24 19:35:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehe
Jan 24 19:36:41 <DocScrutinizer05> knitting stitch, eh?
Jan 24 19:36:55 <DocScrutinizer05> rubbish lister sounds about correct
Jan 24 19:40:27 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, messybox is <reply>messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:40:27 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jan 24 19:40:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Jan 24 19:40:35 <infobot> messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jan 24 19:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~busybox
Jan 24 19:41:07 <infobot> [busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux.  It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc.  See http://www.busybox.net/.
Jan 24 19:41:29 <DocScrutinizer05> *burrrp*
Jan 24 19:42:02 <DocScrutinizer05> you know about swiss army knife?
Jan 24 19:42:29 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody using it when they got decent tools as well. It's always the last choice before final failure
Jan 24 19:43:56 <DocScrutinizer05> not even the manufacturers suggest it could replace even a real knife, not to talk about all the other 478 tools it has integrated
Jan 24 19:45:11 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.shop4wenger.co.uk/wenger_giant_swiss_army_knife_2.jpg
Jan 24 19:45:35 <DocScrutinizer05> looks pretty much like messybox XP
Jan 24 19:47:29 <jaska> heh
Jan 24 19:47:53 <jaska> i suppose you can drop that on someone to kill
Jan 24 19:48:11 <jaska> or leave it on floor in hopes of someone stepping on it in the dark
Jan 24 19:48:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ln -s /bin/busybox wenger-GIANT
Jan 24 19:49:52 * ShadowJK currently commands a 6 metre long tool trolley at work
Jan 24 19:50:06 <ShadowJK> sometimes even a regular knife is more convenient than fetching the entire arsenal :)
Jan 24 19:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.amazon.com/Wenger-16999-Swiss-Knife-Giant/product-reviews/B001DZTJRQ
Jan 24 19:52:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL!!   >>Cons - No lanyard hole, and the included awl won't reach around to make one.<<
Jan 24 19:53:06 <ShadowJK> brilliant
Jan 24 19:56:10 <DocScrutinizer05> >>the Internet in solid form<<
Jan 24 19:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> >>I had it in my hip pocket, then I fell down. When I got up, I was dead. Other than that, it's ok<<
Jan 24 19:57:55 <sixwheeledbeast> "jack of all trades, master of none", springs to mind.
Jan 24 20:00:46 <DocScrutinizer05> jaska: >>I was unaware of how useful this would become. I received this as a graduation present two weeks ago, and three days ago I was carrying it around downtown, trying to figure out what to do with it, when I was pulled into a dark ally and had a gun pointed at my head. Reacting on instinct, I swung whatever was in my hand at the attacker....<<
Jan 24 20:01:30 <jaska> it lacks a lament configuration
Jan 24 20:01:31 <DocScrutinizer05> >>...The state coroner's report on my mugger is nearly eighteen pages long...<<<
Jan 24 20:01:37 <jaska> :D
Jan 24 20:02:08 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, you know I got hurt by busybox badly
Jan 24 20:32:17 <SAiF> goodnite
Jan 24 21:21:14 <r00t|home> "The gas tank on the chainsaw is too small for deep-woods logging."
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