**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 27 03:00:00 2014 Jan 27 03:01:38 Do/cat people run new kernels on the N900? Jan 27 03:01:43 s/cat/can/ Jan 27 03:01:44 Maxdamantus meant: Do/can people run new kernels on the N900? Jan 27 03:02:20 there has been experimentation with it Jan 27 03:02:27 but not in any stable form atm Jan 27 03:08:21 test Jan 27 03:08:23 s/./&/ Jan 27 03:08:32 Meh. Jan 27 03:09:11 oh, that wouldn't do anything. Jan 27 03:09:21 try it now though :P Jan 27 03:09:48 s/./&&/ Jan 27 03:09:49 Maxdamantus meant: oh, that wouldn't do anything&& Jan 27 03:09:57 O_o Jan 27 03:10:13 so it doesn't actually use any regex. Jan 27 03:13:18 no it doesn't Jan 27 03:13:37 s/no it doesn't/see\?/ Jan 27 03:13:38 FIQ meant: see\? Jan 27 03:16:21 you all have serious problems with chanops when you post forkbombs and similar stuff in IRC Jan 27 03:17:18 so, according to eternal laws... Jan 27 03:18:18 Sorry .. but in my defence .. I wouldn't consider that a forkbomb. Jan 27 03:18:31 just as compiling a kernel is not invoking a forkbomb. Jan 27 03:18:35 did I miss something? Jan 27 03:18:51 if this is the case, sorry Jan 27 03:19:01 hm Jan 27 03:19:10 Maxdamantus: the weirdest thing about that is that maemo uses display 2, really Jan 27 03:19:19 was it some arbitrary choice or are 0 and 1 taken for something? Jan 27 03:19:31 (obviously backdoor sessions to allow european spy agencies to spy) Jan 27 03:19:46 the maemo in scratchbox seems to use display :2. Jan 27 03:19:53 yeah, or #rm -rf root is not a fork. Rule: do not paste stuff that could do harm to any other user that c6P it to their terminal. Particularly not when you sugest they should do that Jan 27 03:20:00 C&P Jan 27 03:22:37 nvm, read scrollback now Jan 27 03:23:04 I consider that a minor case, thus I wasn't kick-happy Jan 27 03:23:58 * FIQ copy/paste Doc's script Jan 27 03:24:19 oh DocScrutinizer05, are there any plans as far as an fm transmitter in the neo900? Jan 27 03:24:22 that script isn't supposed to do "harm" Jan 27 03:24:25 (ok not really) Jan 27 03:24:32 my transmitter just died a week or two ago Jan 27 03:24:36 Tekk_: sure Jan 27 03:24:38 cool Jan 27 03:25:08 seems the TiWi5 has FMTX, though not officially supported by the manufacturer Jan 27 03:25:33 we'll check if it works nevertheless, so we don't need another FMTX solution Jan 27 03:34:21 ((display=:2)) might relate to shaking hands video, or pin/lockcode dialog which is started before hildon Jan 27 03:34:51 or even that silly progress jumping-dots Jan 27 03:35:44 So Hildon doesn't usually run on :2 on the N900 itself? Jan 27 03:36:27 though: Jan 27 03:36:29 IroN900:~# echo $DISPLAY Jan 27 03:36:30 :0.0 Jan 27 03:36:48 err, ok, you're talking about console number Jan 27 03:36:51 right? Jan 27 03:36:55 No. Jan 27 03:37:02 it's just Xorg/X11. Jan 27 03:37:47 maemo-scratchbox tries to connect to :2 by default. Jan 27 03:38:13 well, prolly since :0 is already used by the host Jan 27 03:38:26 but :1 isn't. Jan 27 03:38:32 depends Jan 27 03:38:37 It's something someone set. Jan 27 03:38:58 when you run scratchbox in a dedicated session, then probably :1 is also occupied Jan 27 03:38:59 it doesn't check what displays are running, and you're meant to run the display yourself. Jan 27 03:39:36 I dunno Jan 27 03:40:14 I mounted my /tmp/.X11-unix into the scratchbox chroot after logging into it. Jan 27 03:41:40 I'm not going to install that mess a 3rd time on my PC. Will use VM instead Jan 27 03:42:02 my current PC is beefy enough for VM Jan 27 03:42:06 it shouldn't really be any more messy using a chroot. Jan 27 03:42:24 (for the entire debian system) Jan 27 03:42:47 no debian system here Jan 27 03:42:51 you can install debootstrap on a bunch of distributions (not limited to Debian) Jan 27 03:43:04 then just run something like: debootstrap Jan 27 03:43:15 Is there a way to disable a certain notification signal such as "SMS has arrived"? I don't want to make the volume zero, or to make a very brief sound file; I want there to be no sound file at all. Jan 27 03:43:22 and then you can `chroot /bin/bash` and do whatever. Jan 27 03:43:24 meh, starting a VM is so much simpler Jan 27 03:43:53 and not cluttering my mounts Jan 27 03:43:55 I have gotten dbus-scripts to espeak the name of the sender of an SMS that I got, but the notification sound interrupts the espeak sound and it gets cut off. Jan 27 03:44:22 kwtm: sleep 5 ? Jan 27 03:44:37 for a VM you need to install it onto a (probably virtual) disk, configure it to boot, connect to the network, etc Jan 27 03:45:04 nah, I simply start the SDK-VM Jan 27 03:45:29 eh, I guess you could do that. Jan 27 03:45:42 DocScrutinizer05: I guess sleep 5 would do, although it's not a very elegant solution. Oh, well, I guess it will have to do. Jan 27 03:46:04 either that or you silence the notification sound Jan 27 03:46:27 DocScrutinizer05: That's what I'm asking: can I get rid of it? If I just set the notification sound to 0, it still cuts off the espeak sound. Jan 27 03:46:38 o.O Jan 27 03:46:46 dang Jan 27 03:47:00 replace soundfile with a 0-byte file Jan 27 03:47:18 or /dev/null ;-P Jan 27 03:47:50 DocScrutinizer05: Hmm... a non-existent sound file or an invalid sound file ... I wonder whether that would work? Jan 27 03:48:14 yes Jan 27 03:48:17 Remind me also to check why mplayer can play sounds even when the profile is set to silent ... I guess somehow it bypasses the usual control. Jan 27 03:48:20 they should both just be invalid sound files. Jan 27 03:48:24 but a 0-file is better Jan 27 03:48:57 Okay. Jan 27 03:48:57 /dev/null is essentially a 0-byte file. Jan 27 03:49:07 (though you prolly can't get /dev/null for soundfile) Jan 27 03:49:07 though if you look closely, it's also a character device. Jan 27 03:49:32 >silence.wav Jan 27 03:49:39 Drat, gotta go. Will be back later -- please continue to discuss aloud for my benefit. :) Especially the Neo900 ... I need plans for after both my N900's fail. Jan 27 03:50:08 * DocScrutinizer05 is afk too Jan 27 03:50:12 Ok, you mean like touch /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/nothingness.mp3 or something Jan 27 03:50:19 yes Jan 27 03:50:25 * Maxdamantus doesn't have an N900 yet, so doesn't have much to contribute. Jan 27 03:50:26 touch == > Jan 27 03:50:29 ok. Off to dinner. Jan 27 03:50:43 o/ Jan 27 03:51:48 at least for the basic parameter-less `touch` a simple `>` does it Jan 27 03:52:24 as long as you don't want to touch an existing file Jan 27 03:52:34 if you want to, you'd better off with >> Jan 27 03:52:42 ;-) Jan 27 03:53:35 so Jan 27 03:53:38 touch == >> Jan 27 03:53:51 cat = < Jan 27 03:53:54 in some contexts Jan 27 03:54:18 * Maxdamantus wonders why it doesn't work in all. Jan 27 03:54:42 because it's meant for stdin Jan 27 03:54:58 < doesn't do anything with stdin Jan 27 03:55:12 I mean at the beginning of a command, like you used > Jan 27 03:55:21 echo $( echo $(cat foo) Jan 27 03:57:28 * Jan 27 03:57:55 echo * Jan 27 03:58:46 echo doesn't read the file contents of files. Jan 27 03:58:48 a plain * is quite "interesting" Jan 27 03:59:18 Scare quotes mandatory. Jan 27 03:59:35 * Maxdamantus wonders if any bash contributers understand bash. Jan 27 03:59:39 contributors* Jan 27 04:02:13 o/ Jan 27 10:38:20 DocScrutinizer have you seen this one http://ask.slashdot.org/story/14/01/26/1950237/ask-slashdot-life-after-n900 ? Jan 27 10:44:30 yes. thanks Jan 27 14:31:03 Japod 1350 mAh replacement battery for N900, measured as ~1330 mAh when unused, now after two years and ~260 cycles, 1153 mAh. I'm not complaining much. Jan 27 14:32:03 power menu power widget still reports 62/167 mAh, though :-) Jan 27 14:35:50 restarting hildon-home would have probably done the same thing, but after reboot it now reports max 1247 mAh. I wonder where from it's getting this. Jan 27 14:44:24 status-area-applet-battery (1.0-8) comes from pali / repository.maemo.org, and it shows data very similar to power menu widget. Power menu widget says 59 % (747 mAh / 1247 mAh), while bq says [CR]SOC 21 %, NAC/CACD/CACT 247 mAh, max 1153 mAh. Jan 27 14:49:10 i wonder what my mugen is at in reality now.. hmm. Jan 27 15:05:18 moin :) Jan 28 00:50:23 OK, guys, I need some help Jan 28 00:50:52 I'm trying to use my USB barcode scanner with my N900. I've got HEN etc. Jan 28 00:51:27 I've been able to get it to connect, and when I scan a barcode, things /sort of/ work... but only letters, no numbers. (keymapping issue?) Jan 28 00:51:40 When plugged into my Debian PC, works fine. Jan 28 01:45:56 ugh Jan 28 01:46:25 yeah, so it probably emulates a kbd, and your mapping is incorrect for the keyboard it emulates Jan 28 01:46:37 robbiethe1st: ^^^ Jan 28 01:47:06 check syslog or lsusb how it registers to system Jan 28 01:49:09 I know it emulates a kbd Jan 28 01:49:17 would make quite a lot of sense. Try whatever apps are available to switch to external USB-attached kbd Jan 28 01:49:47 I bet it emulates a standard 104-key PC USB kbd Jan 28 01:50:22 so check/google for HEN+keyboard+maemo Jan 28 01:50:41 and see how to conveniently switch to support for 104key Jan 28 01:51:29 extkbd. Lets see Jan 28 01:51:55 :-) Jan 28 01:55:10 Good to go Jan 28 01:55:49 yay Jan 28 02:05:28 :-) Jan 28 02:07:13 robbiethe1st: you might want to disable the external 2keyboard" barcode reader for X11 and directly read from it in your barcode reader app Jan 28 02:07:46 Actually, I want to paste the codes into VIM... save em to a text file Jan 28 02:07:55 seems to work Jan 28 02:07:58 otherwise input from barcode rader might end up in arbitrary apps running on N900, whatever just has focus Jan 28 02:08:11 Yup Jan 28 02:08:17 ooh, VIM. Then this is exactly what you want Jan 28 02:08:46 Yup. Plan is to save it to text, input a few hundred codes, then copy that file onto a PC for further processing Jan 28 02:08:58 :nod: Jan 28 02:25:58 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if robbiethe1st just uses VIM because it seems like the easiest way. While maybe a 'readmybarcode >>mybarcodes.txt' would do same thing with better adapted function specs Jan 28 02:26:43 Maby. Though I can't imagine anything easier than open VIM, put in insert mode, and scan codes. Jan 28 02:27:05 The scanner adds a \n after each code, so... Jan 28 02:27:56 damn, my scanner does not send a newline... it's damn annoying... Jan 28 02:28:12 This one's the cheapest USB one I could find on ebay Jan 28 02:28:17 Literally. Jan 28 02:28:48 mine is a used one that cost like $700 back when it was now ;) Jan 28 02:29:25 nice part is it has a motorized scanner that detects the code in any orientation, and ps/2 and rs232 output Jan 28 02:29:44 (probably could be configured to add a newline if i had the manual) Jan 28 02:30:18 This is a cheap one. It just flashes a laser back and forth, and scans so long as you are somewhere near horizontal Jan 28 02:30:46 i'd use a serial one and hook up a bluetooth module Jan 28 02:30:56 much more convenient Jan 28 02:31:11 also, mind your poor little micro-usb port Jan 28 02:31:20 Why? Ebay has bluetooth ones easily. Jan 28 02:31:35 also I tried one we had at work, and couldn't get it to pair Jan 28 02:31:51 but the bluetooth module is $7 or so... while a scanner with bluetooth is... $50+? Jan 28 02:31:55 But I also didn't look for any special software Jan 28 02:32:37 a bluetooth barcode reader should be either rfcomm or HID, no special software needed Jan 28 02:32:56 It just wouldn't pair 'pairing error' Jan 28 02:33:13 btw, why not use camera + image processing? Jan 28 02:33:20 no extra hw needed Jan 28 02:35:26 I'll try it with mbarcode, but for some reason I doubt it'll paste the code to a text file Jan 28 02:35:48 we call it "open source" Jan 28 02:37:46 personally i found mbarcode completely useless... it's so slow to start that in the time it takes you could just type in the contend of the code a few times... Jan 28 02:37:57 *contents Jan 28 02:38:16 what else is there? Jan 28 02:38:31 i wonder how they managed to make it perform so badly... it's not written in java or anything Jan 28 02:39:01 i dunno... i'd just go for v4l grabber + image processing Jan 28 02:39:19 lots of work Jan 28 02:39:46 I mean, I've now got a good, easy solution Jan 28 02:39:59 except it doesn't work ;) Jan 28 02:40:20 ? Jan 28 02:40:33 The only problem with it was the keymap Jan 28 02:40:37 extkbd did. Jan 28 02:40:45 ah Jan 28 02:41:05 Now, all I need to do is plug it in, run HEN, start VIM, press i, and just start scanning codes. Jan 28 02:41:30 i still wonder how long the micro-usb port will last in mobile usage like that, if you use it regularly Jan 28 02:43:15 This is a one time thing. But I am slightly worried about it; one of these days, I'll open er up and solder it in place Jan 28 02:44:04 Actually, I'd be more worried about the times I've dropped my n900 while plugged in... thing hanging on the cord isn't so good Jan 28 02:44:20 Also, mind, I've already lost one N900 a couple of years ago. Broken USB port Jan 28 02:44:58 i don't think hanging on the cord is a problem at all, but hitting the ground with the plugged-in connector first Jan 28 02:46:05 heh Jan 28 02:46:31 i had the port break in one... which was no problem (used external charger)... until it broke and needed to be re-flashed Jan 28 02:46:51 You didn't have backupmenu, did you? Jan 28 02:46:54 in my current one the port work, but not 100% reliable... Jan 28 02:47:18 backupmenu is a useless piece of crap... beacuse it needss the rootfs to be still intact Jan 28 02:47:42 Partially intact, mind you Jan 28 02:48:02 But I've not seen rootfs corruption Jan 28 02:48:18 Optfs corruption, quite a bit Jan 28 02:48:44 well, it just froze on the nokia logo screen, where it would normally display the kernel version (dev mode enabled) Jan 28 02:48:56 ...Though, actually, more that I think about it, even I've relied on flashing a rootfs image a few times Jan 28 02:49:53 Actually, have you looked at re-soldering the port? Jan 28 02:51:03 yes, and in the process ripped off two of the five solder pads Jan 28 02:51:15 i also tried on the debug connector with no luck Jan 28 02:51:35 I've done the same Jan 28 02:51:44 I'm going to have to try again, one of these days Jan 28 02:52:43 i have previously re-soldered the cardbus/pcmcia slot on a notebook... that has quire a few more contacts, but at a less insane pitch, and with more room to work in Jan 28 02:53:16 I'm thinking next time to try hot-air-rework on it, after heating the whole thing up a bit Jan 28 02:53:19 (interestingly the issue was the exact same... bad design with too much stress on the solder joints) Jan 28 02:53:48 Of course, if I /do/ get a working USB port... I'm going to solder the top of the port to the metal cans on each side Jan 28 02:53:53 Because Jan 28 02:54:42 don't assume soldering like that is easy... you need to apply a LOT of heat to the connector shield to solder it, which is likely to juse cause more damage Jan 28 02:54:58 *just Jan 28 02:56:30 you're soldering what? the top to the metal cans? Jan 28 02:57:17 i guess he means the connector shield to the shields on the pcb Jan 28 02:57:20 soldering USB like ~usbfix needs a 60W or better 100W soldering iron Jan 28 02:57:47 Seriously Jan 28 02:58:13 I've got a temp-controlled 60w + hot air rework station, and last I tried, I just managed to get cold joints Jan 28 02:58:26 things just solidified as soon as they touched the ground pad Jan 28 02:58:44 heating up the ground pads is not easy Jan 28 02:58:50 that's why you need the 100W Jan 28 02:59:48 alternatively you use insanely high temperature, so copper of groundplane heats up faster locally than it can dissipate the heat to the wide area **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 28 02:59:59 2014