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Jan 31 07:36:16 <shaggycat> hi all! I want buy used Nokia n950, or it's not real?
Jan 31 07:37:38 <shaggycat> Anybody know, when hardware keyboard  cover to Jolla phone will be avaible?
Jan 31 07:37:52 <shaggycat> i want upgrade my Nokia N900 :(
Jan 31 07:38:04 <Tekk_> shaggycat: ask jolla?
Jan 31 07:38:24 <shaggycat> Tekk_, are you mean #jolla?
Jan 31 07:38:32 <shaggycat> irc channel?
Jan 31 07:38:37 <Tekk_> I mean wherever you would ask them
Jan 31 07:38:49 <Hurrian> shaggycat: it's on preorder on TMO - the guy posted a prototype of it on his twitter, iirc
Jan 31 07:38:49 <Tekk_> but maemo is for maemo, not jolla :)
Jan 31 07:39:43 <shaggycat> Hurrian, oh!
Jan 31 07:39:47 <shaggycat> really?
Jan 31 07:40:17 <Hurrian> shaggycat: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535
Jan 31 07:41:13 <shaggycat> and, may be anybody sale Nokia n950? Is forum part to sale/buy used phones?
Jan 31 07:41:53 <Hurrian> you could post in the buy and sell subforum to look for a N950, but tbh, you really don't want one.
Jan 31 07:42:05 <Hurrian> the keyboard doesn't work properly in Harmattan, for one
Jan 31 07:43:00 * Tekk_ wonders if you can still run sailfish on the n950
Jan 31 07:43:01 <Hurrian> the screens also have some serious design defects, and can break anytime.
Jan 31 07:44:03 <shaggycat> Hurrian, i want change my nokia n900, but do not make final choice
Jan 31 07:44:41 <Luke-Jr> I haven't seen a N900 replacement yet :<
Jan 31 07:44:45 <shaggycat> i can use phone ~1 year, may be after 1 year will be released any intresting Linux phone
Jan 31 07:44:47 <Tekk_> shaggycat: neo900?
Jan 31 07:45:19 <shaggycat> Tekk_, It's very slow :(
Jan 31 07:45:34 <shaggycat> 1Ghz one core CPU it's cry :(
Jan 31 07:45:49 <Luke-Jr> meh @ phones
Jan 31 07:45:55 <Luke-Jr> handheld computer is what I want
Jan 31 07:45:59 <Tekk_> 2 computers ago I was using a 1 core at 500 mhz with 256 MB of memory o.o
Jan 31 07:46:16 <shaggycat> but, in jolla phone like to me elegant body colors, Nokia n900 very... serios phone :(
Jan 31 07:50:07 <shaggycat> and... really intrested device is child of Emotiv Insight and Google Glass with true operational system :)
Jan 31 07:50:35 <shaggycat> it's will be not need of hardware keyboard
Jan 31 07:51:45 <shaggycat> i can't send message in #jolla channel :(
Jan 31 07:52:06 <shaggycat> is any user chanell? Is it dev chat?
Jan 31 07:52:09 <beford> isn't it #jollamobile ?
Jan 31 07:52:23 <shaggycat> beford, thank you very much
Jan 31 07:52:27 <beford> also there is #sailfishos
Jan 31 07:55:23 <shaggycat> Hurrian, can you send link to subforum of sale used phones, please?
Jan 31 08:00:19 <Luke-Jr> hardware keyboard is always a need :P
Jan 31 08:02:15 <shaggycat> Luke-Jr, you can print with brain fastly :(
Jan 31 08:02:39 <shaggycat> but screen keyboard it's really not good
Jan 31 08:04:07 <shaggycat> Hurrian, how do you think, when will be hw keyboard done with this boy?
Jan 31 08:04:27 <shaggycat> or you cannot have information?
Jan 31 08:05:57 <Luke-Jr> I think you overestimate EEG technology
Jan 31 08:06:10 <Luke-Jr> if you can enter data at all, it will probably be very slow and painful
Jan 31 08:07:18 <shaggycat> Luke-Jr, webcam to wath on pupil of the eye, and EEG
Jan 31 08:07:26 <shaggycat> EEG to mouse click
Jan 31 08:07:35 <Luke-Jr> tedious
Jan 31 08:07:37 <shaggycat> or click to keyboard :)
Jan 31 08:10:04 <brolin_empey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv1VHy0Igk&list=PLVHiPmugndre4V-MYBJ3PnOpBpUUvvvdf
Jan 31 08:10:12 <shaggycat> ok, may be finger ring to click
Jan 31 08:12:21 <shaggycat> brolin_empey, lool like :)
Jan 31 08:19:39 <brolin_empey> The current week is week number 05 of the year 2014.  Tomorrow (Saturday) is day number 032 of the year.  2 (raised) to the power of 5 = 32 .
Jan 31 08:23:25 <brolin_empey> Hmm, I just realised the Nokia RX-51 was introduced (publicly released) near the end of the year 2009;  week number 51 is near the end of the year.
Jan 31 08:24:49 <jaska> numerology?
Jan 31 08:27:05 * brolin_empey meant he did not previously associate the 51 in RX-51 with a week number;  I already knew the time of introduction of the Nokia RX-51 .
Jan 31 08:28:02 <wnd> what's more, 2**(0+1+4) = 32! coincidence? I think not! :-)
Jan 31 08:35:14 <Tekk_> wnd: and you save an instruction if you make it into 2**(1.4)!
Jan 31 08:35:18 <Tekk_> 1+4*
Jan 31 08:41:12 <SAiF> I remember once using a terminal with | and > easily accesable from the display..  does any one tell me which one is it or point me where I can get it.?
Jan 31 08:42:11 <SAiF> and somebody please link me to flash 12 faking link... I cant even get the .deb.. all the links are broken...
Jan 31 08:42:34 <SAiF> should I rephrase.. o.O
Jan 31 08:43:23 <SAiF> and where can  I know the exact battery percentage. like from /proc?
Jan 31 08:43:55 <SAiF> to put in a script...
Jan 31 08:44:44 <wnd> for battery, search for bq27200.sh
Jan 31 08:45:22 <wnd> it'll show how to use i2cget
Jan 31 08:46:38 <wnd> for terminal, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Extra_Symbols_in_X_Terminal_.28osso-xterm.29
Jan 31 08:48:04 <SAiF> thanks wnd.. :)
Jan 31 08:50:06 <wnd> it might be worth mentioning that I'm now assuming n900 + fremantle
Jan 31 08:53:31 <Tekk_> SAiF: and flash fake is in a repo :)
Jan 31 08:53:34 <Tekk_> extras maybe?
Jan 31 09:12:01 <SAiF> I think this is what I am looking for.. /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/bq27x00-battery/2-0055/power_supply\:bq27200-0/capacity 
Jan 31 09:14:05 <wnd> I think that's available only if you have the kernel module loaded
Jan 31 10:21:01 <hxka> SAiF: See bnf
Jan 31 10:21:19 <SAiF> huh?
Jan 31 10:21:35 <hxka> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84452
Jan 31 11:03:24 <SAiF> I dont need that hxka .. I get the current value from /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/capacity..
Jan 31 11:03:30 <SAiF> the percentage value..
Jan 31 11:03:40 <SAiF> and thats all I need, :)
Jan 31 11:05:54 <SAiF> I guess..
Jan 31 16:02:36 <DocScrutinizer51> wow, microB segfaulted
Jan 31 16:03:29 <DocScrutinizer51> ~+uptime
Jan 31 16:03:34 <infobot> - Uptime for apt -
Jan 31 16:03:35 <infobot> Now: 9d 4m 39s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Jan 31 16:03:36 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Jan 31 16:03:36 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Jan 31 16:03:36 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Jan 31 16:03:37 <jargon> my n900 won't come on anymore. haven't switched it one since july or so. i've got it hooked up to a charger now, and the orange LED is lit
Jan 31 16:04:08 <jargon> i'm holding down the power button but nothing's happening
Jan 31 16:04:20 <DocScrutinizer51> ~fl.aybatrecover
Jan 31 16:04:36 <DocScrutinizer51> ~fl.atbatrecover
Jan 31 16:04:57 <DocScrutinizer51> wtf?
Jan 31 16:05:04 <jargon> ikr?
Jan 31 16:05:22 <DocScrutinizer51> ~listkeys fl.atba
Jan 31 16:05:23 <infobot> Factoid search of 'fl.atba' by key returned no results.
Jan 31 16:05:55 <DocScrutinizer51> ~flatbatrecover
Jan 31 16:05:56 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
Jan 31 16:06:13 * DocScrutinizer51 needs glasses
Jan 31 16:06:38 <jargon> ok let me try that
Jan 31 16:07:33 <DocScrutinizer51> ~bootloop
Jan 31 16:07:33 <infobot> it has been said that bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
Jan 31 16:08:17 <DocScrutinizer51> can also be caused by dead battery
Jan 31 16:08:58 <DocScrutinizer51> ~batteryfaq
Jan 31 16:08:58 <infobot> from memory, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers
Jan 31 16:10:29 <SAiF> ~blablarecover
Jan 31 16:10:42 <SAiF> :-D
Jan 31 16:11:13 <DocScrutinizer51> jargon: odds are when your bat been flat for months, it's dead now and not recoverable
Jan 31 16:11:22 <jargon> :-(
Jan 31 16:13:07 <DocScrutinizer51> tbh I never seen emergency charge (steady amber) take longer than 2 minutes and still success in the end
Jan 31 16:14:42 <SAiF> Doc,, In a nonlit room, what all factors depend on the kbd backlight..?
Jan 31 16:14:58 <SAiF> slide only or anything else?
Jan 31 16:15:21 <jaska> mine seems to be on 24/7
Jan 31 16:15:31 <jaska> even when slider is closed in the middle of the night
Jan 31 16:15:36 <DocScrutinizer51> slide and timeout
Jan 31 16:15:38 <SAiF> rephrase... keybd backlit depends on what all factors
Jan 31 16:16:03 <jaska> reboots dont change it
Jan 31 16:16:30 <DocScrutinizer51> jaska: R&D mode?
Jan 31 16:16:37 <jaska> hmm... not sure
Jan 31 16:17:17 <DocScrutinizer51> or slider magnet lost?
Jan 31 16:17:21 <jaska> could be
Jan 31 16:17:52 <SAiF> so echo open > /prox ; mount -o bind /prox   /sys/device/gpioswitch/slide/status... ??
Jan 31 16:18:05 <SAiF> should it stay on all time?
Jan 31 16:19:12 <DocScrutinizer51> sure, you also could patch kernel in proc/kmem
Jan 31 16:19:16 <DocScrutinizer51> scnr
Jan 31 16:19:27 <DocScrutinizer51> afk
Jan 31 16:19:32 <SAiF> hmm.
Jan 31 16:20:07 <SAiF> but still mine doesnt stay on.   :(
Jan 31 16:21:08 <SAiF> slide has got some mechanical issues.. Sometimes  I have to apply force for kbd backlit to turn on,, some times slight adjustment would do.
Jan 31 21:20:18 <Tekk_> anyone have mumble working? When I try to install through ham it gives a dep issue. if I do apt it doesn't actually pick up any sound devices
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