**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 13 02:59:58 2014 Mar 13 04:00:56 [2014-03-13 04:25:31] *** The [[##maemo-admin]] channel topic is "Sysops: 1.warfare(Falk), 2.xes, (999:DocScrutinizer(Joerg)) | /msg chanserv access ##maemo-admin list | Please refer to (and update) http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure and http://roundup.fourecks.de/maemo/ -- Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/". Mar 13 04:00:57 [2014-03-13 04:25:31] *** The topic was set by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg on 2013-10-10 23:30. Mar 13 04:03:50 well this one is a " 404 Not found " and "http://roundup.fourecks.de/maemo/" is a 502 bad gate way.. Mar 13 04:04:28 http://xkcd.com/705/%22 is 404.. can somebody check.. or isit just me Mar 13 04:04:30 http://xkcd.com/705/ works ;-D Mar 13 04:05:26 yes.. it works.. Mar 13 04:05:53 :D ha.. silly me Mar 13 04:10:51 maybe roundup is obsolete now, we established it for times when maemo.org is completely down Mar 13 04:11:43 the correct location for users to report about bugs in maemo is bugs.maemo.org Mar 13 04:12:06 s/maemo/maemo.org infra/ Mar 13 04:12:06 DocScrutinizer05 meant: the correct location for users to report about bugs in maemo.org infra is bugs.maemo.org Mar 13 04:14:34 actually https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Websites Mar 13 04:23:24 andre__: if I may help with setting up access to ##maemo-admin for you, please don't hesitate to ping me. We will find a solution to either set up chanserv access lists and invite-exempt accordingly or fix your client's config Mar 13 04:32:39 andre__: often the problem is user's client trying to /join a restricted channel before client/user managed to authenticate. The fix is either to defer joining of channels or to log in to freenode server with server password ( usernick:yourpassword, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) ) Mar 13 04:35:28 for xchat you append server password to the server URL in "networks", separated by a space Mar 13 08:50:03 moin :) Mar 13 08:53:54 I found a supplier that claims to have H397VN01 in stock, $60 Mar 13 09:11:34 I have an N900 that has been lying in a drawer for years. It's broken, no cellular connection (was a fairly common problem at the time it happened I think) Mar 13 09:12:09 was about to throw it out, but figured someone here might want it for parts or something. Everything else works (battery is toast though). Mar 13 09:12:16 drop me a message if you're interested Mar 13 09:23:21 bionoid: but all other things are functional? Mar 13 10:19:56 silviof: afaik yes, it boots fine, display/touch is fine Mar 13 10:59:01 bionoid: what is the price and where are you from? Mar 13 11:13:15 silviof: bought & shipped from Norway, I'll send it for the cost of packing/shipping Mar 13 11:13:51 so, we're back to maemo-drama-land? Mar 13 11:14:03 (just saw my inbox overflowing with HiFo/techstaff trolling) Mar 13 11:15:41 I mean seriously, what the fuck. I'm saying this to anyone, HiFo or techstaff, or any volunteer or whatever who still knows what "maemo" is or was: if you feel any kind of pressure or anxiety when dealing with this projet, just /part, breathe and relax. Mar 13 11:16:13 the project is dead, it has been dead for ages, and it won't zombify any time soon. Mar 13 11:16:51 There is no need for a foundation, there is no need for any kind of 7th-level of management Mar 13 11:17:14 if someone feels like they should host or mirror anything, let them, but for the rest, just let it die. Mar 13 11:17:53 in his email, Jaffa said something about whatever having run its course. He's right. This channel, the servers, whatever, it's just a waste of space and money. Mar 13 11:18:52 Go home. Make love to your wife. Meet your kids. Write that novel you'd been thinking about for all those years. Mar 13 11:25:13 what is "HiFo" Mar 13 11:26:48 Hildon Foundation. Mar 13 11:31:02 teotwaki: no! anybody is free to decide what they waste their time on! ;) Mar 13 13:20:17 andre__: fair enough Mar 13 15:42:00 DocScrutinizer05, is the first line if I do "/query infobot help" meant to be that way? Mar 13 15:42:35 !flashing Mar 13 15:46:50 ~flashing Mar 13 15:46:51 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 13 15:46:59 ~tell Agge|m about flashing Mar 13 15:47:15 thankis teotwaki Mar 13 16:36:00 anyone have the link for the bulletporf flasshing instructions? Mar 13 16:44:24 Agge|m: usually without the "help". /query opens a new tab or window with a 2-person-chat, where you can type "help" then Mar 13 16:45:17 Agge|m: the URL above *is* the bulletproof flashing Mar 13 16:45:46 particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting Mar 13 16:46:09 but you should read the complete page first, to understand what it's all about Mar 13 16:46:16 I know Mar 13 16:46:26 I was talking about " I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"" Mar 13 16:46:51 >>...do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:<< Mar 13 16:47:00 I was wondering it that was by design or just got that way Mar 13 16:47:29 ~what is flashing Mar 13 16:47:30 hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 13 16:47:39 aha I tried to serch for bulletprof but I should serch for foolprofe :( Mar 13 16:48:22 ~listkeys flash Mar 13 16:48:24 Factoid search of 'flash' by key (12 of 69): "reflash" ;; #qi-hardware flashing ;; 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb ;; also, davep's reflash utility ;; compactflash ;; dont know really. not much probably, flash ;; flash 4 plugin for netscape ;; flash api ;; flash freeze ;; flash mount menu ;; flashback ;; flashing. Mar 13 16:49:12 ~forget dont know really. not much probably, flash Mar 13 16:49:13 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot dont know really. not much probably, flash Mar 13 16:49:47 ~factinfo 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb Mar 13 16:49:48 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb -- created by TheBootroo at Mon Jun 20 12:29:09 2011 (997 days). Mar 13 16:50:08 ~literal 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb Mar 13 16:50:08 "6 minutes to flash 3,2gb" is "long" Mar 13 16:50:18 ~forget 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb Mar 13 16:50:19 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb Mar 13 16:50:51 ~factinfo also, davep's reflash utility Mar 13 16:50:52 also, davep's reflash utility -- it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer at Sun Mar 28 21:25:29 2010. Mar 13 16:51:27 ~literal also, davep's reflash utility Mar 13 16:51:27 "also, davep's reflash utility" is "ready to test, which could reduce the upgrade to one step." Mar 13 16:51:40 ~forget also, davep's reflash utility Mar 13 16:51:41 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot also, davep's reflash utility Mar 13 16:53:11 ~literal "reflash" Mar 13 16:53:11 ""reflash"" is "a program and kernel module that davep has been working on for the past couple of weeks." Mar 13 16:53:35 ~factinfo "reflash" Mar 13 16:53:35 DocScrutinizer05: no extra info on "reflash" Mar 13 17:37:37 Anybody here who tested installing Ubuntu-touch on a smartphone/tablet? Mar 13 17:38:03 it was an unpleasant experience Mar 13 17:38:16 why was that? Mar 13 17:38:38 the UI sucks...large latencies in the one I tried Mar 13 17:38:59 I will test it on my "google nexus 7" (are suppose to support dualboat) Mar 13 17:39:02 Doesn't suprise me. Mar 13 17:39:30 android/ubuntu Mar 13 17:39:41 does it run on X11, or is it some kind of androidish system? Mar 13 17:39:52 the boot process is a bit rough... it doesn't show as much feedback as android boot Mar 13 17:40:04 Smartphones today are x5 times better than n900 Mar 13 17:40:08 so I was wondering why it didn't power on a few times Mar 13 17:40:35 I think it uses that X11 replacement ubuntu guys has been pushing Mar 13 17:40:42 weeland or something like that Mar 13 17:40:57 I want maemo on a modern device!!! Mar 13 17:41:06 Oh, are there a Xorg replacement??? Mar 13 17:42:45 ds3: maemo and ubuntu, use *.deb -package system. It will not be fundamentaly different (i t***k) Mar 13 17:43:55 the UI and libraries are different Mar 13 17:45:30 yea. sucks.. (I tested mego the other day, on a Levono s10 netbook. Wifi dint work... HUGE differce to maemo!) Mar 13 17:45:55 Mego is dead project (last version are almost 2years old) Mar 13 17:46:09 Tizen!!! Mar 13 17:51:56 *Wayland Mar 13 17:56:02 I am still not able to find a replacement for my n900. Mar 13 18:02:25 zGrr: http://neo900.org Mar 13 18:03:32 What do u think about "freedombox" https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox ? Mar 13 18:04:19 I would buy Neo900 despite it's price. Mar 13 18:05:07 I am suprised, why they stick to n900 form factor. Mar 13 18:05:26 It seems limiting. Mar 13 18:06:46 phoohb: I recently bought an Alix 1d for to serve me as a freedom box. Mar 13 18:08:20 zGrr: I was thinking of attempt that project aswell (but I have a RaspberryPi), and Nexus7 have usb-togo (can function as a standalone system PC).. Mar 13 18:08:50 ((no fan noise, project, -duh) Mar 13 18:08:53 I have a raspberry pi too. Mar 13 18:09:16 It has very poor I/O. Mar 13 18:09:21 stalinputin Mar 13 18:09:28 mischan Mar 13 18:10:26 phoohb: for some applications Alix is much better suitable than RPi. Mar 13 18:10:30 raspberry pi, is not much more than a toy. And I think Freedombox will be a toy at 1st also. So. Google is the new hope Mar 13 18:10:49 phoohb: And it is much more robust. Mar 13 18:12:40 zGrr: I cant see Alix listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware Mar 13 18:13:03 ~ Mar 13 18:13:48 phoohb: what does freedombox actually do? Mar 13 18:15:23 Guess it will be a PC without a fan. and without a screen. and mouse. dono. As Raspberry dono Mar 13 18:15:44 (4 kids) Mar 13 18:15:47 with bunch of services i guess. Mar 13 18:16:00 ((save the world thing again)) Mar 13 18:16:26 ds3: no, "ubuntu guys" weren't pushing wayland Mar 13 18:17:08 In fact, they hate wayland so much they decided to create their on "X11 replacement" called Mir Mar 13 18:17:42 Mir doesn't seem much different from Wayland. Mar 13 18:43:10 well, wayland wasn't invented here so it's bad Mar 13 18:43:32 also, x11 is an established standard that has worked for more than most ubuntu users have been alive, so it's bad Mar 13 18:43:42 ok actually maybe not Mar 13 18:43:44 but it's close Mar 13 18:45:21 I need to setup a dev. enviroment to build a custom kernel for my N900. My distro is ArchLinux. Is there any guide? I've found in repos (AUR) multiple scratchbox packages. What do i need besides that, and where to get it? Mar 13 18:49:33 kerio: wayland doesn't fix the main issue of x11, which is lack of good documentation, and makes WMs harder to write, as you pretty much have to know DRI, evdev and such. Currently it's a mess even bigger than X in which only big boys like GNOME or KDE can play. Hopefully it'll get better. Also, most flaws of X were fixed a long time ago with extensions such as DR Mar 13 18:50:32 kerio: such as DRI2. I understand the point that much of the functionality now is in WMs, but X does make writing WMs easier than Wayland, for example. Mar 13 18:51:12 WM == a Window Manager? Mar 13 18:51:37 Yep. Mar 13 18:51:50 Or compositor in wayland terminology. Mar 13 18:52:13 CR0W: I run my dev under a vagrant installation: https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk Mar 13 18:53:16 CR0W: and - I have al Mar 13 18:53:20 silviof: so the idea is to have a minimal distro in a vbox/vmware vm? Mar 13 18:53:24 s/have/use/ Mar 13 18:53:24 silviof meant: CR0W: and - I use al Mar 13 18:53:56 CR0W: yes - that is the idea. Mar 13 18:54:50 silviof: I'll try it later, thanks. Mar 13 18:54:55 CR0W: I recommend to use VM and not contaminate your system with scratchbox mess Mar 13 18:55:03 ~sb Mar 13 18:55:04 scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440, or at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/ Mar 13 18:55:29 Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z in the last link Mar 13 18:56:55 Hello! Exuse me, i am flashing my n900 and i am looking at the http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 13 18:57:33 But on the page there is 3 different options for doing so on Windows. What is the difference? Mar 13 18:58:21 Shahram: nokia pcsuite updates the combined image, flasher allows to update combined or emmc or both. Mar 13 18:59:42 CR0W: Ah! thanks. So for flashing it i need to use flasher? Mar 13 19:00:56 oh wait i understand.. Thanks Mar 13 19:04:34 aemo Development Environment Downloads Mar 13 19:04:46 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Mar 13 19:05:12 is not working. Where can i get the latest version of flasher? Mar 13 19:07:25 Shahram: Nokia have removed it. Use your favourite search engine and check it is genuine Mar 13 19:09:13 Shahram: http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/ Mar 13 19:09:33 does that work for the n900 CR0W ? Mar 13 19:09:46 Shahram: http://web.archive.org/web/20131117073524/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ Mar 13 19:09:51 Shahram: yes. And here are images: http://www.mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N900.html?productID=1090319976&productType=RX-51&ModPagespeed=noscript Mar 13 19:10:52 thanks! Mar 13 19:13:48 CR0W: Is it relevent what my n900 has for serial number or should i use the one that is from my own country? Mar 13 19:16:11 ~combined Mar 13 19:16:12 somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 19:16:18 ~emmc Mar 13 19:16:18 hmm... emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 13 19:16:23 ~emmc~flasher Mar 13 19:16:32 ~flasher Mar 13 19:16:32 somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 19:16:38 Shahram: I have no idea, I took the one for europe. Mar 13 19:17:07 DocScrutinizer05: Oh, hi! Mar 13 19:17:45 DocScrutinizer05: I replaced the flex, the stuff works. Boy, the front camera needs a lot light. Mar 13 19:17:57 yes Mar 13 19:18:15 good to hear you found a way to replace flex Mar 13 19:18:30 way better than sw hacks Mar 13 19:18:36 DocScrutinizer05: I only need to figure out the dev enviroment to build a kernel with a patched mmc kernel module,, to ignore the state of the hall switch. Mar 13 19:19:03 I don't need this for now, as I don't use a microSD, but I might in the future. Mar 13 19:19:06 ~listvalues merlin Mar 13 19:19:08 Factoid search of 'merlin' by value (15): php4-pgsql ;; sa-emix ;; extras-devel-light ;; exim+spamassassin ;; melrin ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo wiki-backup ;; cssu-optional ;; merlin262 ;; msn client ;; #maemo-ssu optional ;; zip 97532 ;; not mirror #DEL# ;; scratchbox ;; perfectbackup. Mar 13 19:19:22 ~mirror Mar 13 19:19:22 extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new Mar 13 19:21:36 ~sb Mar 13 19:21:36 i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440, or at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/ Mar 13 19:21:50 CR0W: ^^^ Mar 13 19:22:05 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/ Mar 13 19:22:15 DocScrutinizer05: I know, I would ideally want to setup it w/o any vms on my arch. Mar 13 19:22:35 DocScrutinizer05: Scratchbox is in my repos, and in fact there are like 10 flavors. Mar 13 19:23:18 DocScrutinizer05: too bad the install script is for debian. I need to go over it and "translate" it. Mar 13 19:28:50 DocScrutinizer05: Hello! Should i first flash the combined or should i first flash the EMMC? Mar 13 19:31:36 Or is it not relevant? Mar 13 19:32:10 Shahram: I did it like this guide suggested: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Updating_the_firmware_using_the_Nokia_Software_Updater Mar 13 19:32:25 Erm, forget the anchor... Mar 13 19:36:22 DocScrutinizer05: so N900 doesn't support USB OTG? Is it because of the hardware? Mar 13 19:42:15 thanks Mar 13 19:44:06 Shahram: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Troubleshooting Mar 13 19:44:40 foolproof method is combined, emmc, combined Mar 13 19:45:54 since you need a working rootfs (from combined) to flash emmc, but you must flash combined *after* you flashed emmc. So you flash combined TWO times Mar 13 19:47:24 thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 :) Mar 13 19:47:27 when you're confident (or feel venturous) then you can try to flash emm, combined. The first flash of combined is only needed to ensure emmc flashing succeeds. You however will notice when it doesn't succeed (usually, when you keep an eye on it) Mar 13 19:48:48 so the full worst case scenario is: emmc(fail), combined, emmc(success), combined Mar 13 19:49:34 now you can gamble whether first emmc flashing will succeed or fail Mar 13 19:49:45 DocScrutinizer05: I think i have everything i need now to do this except a charger to charge the bat which i have at home. Thanks again <3 Mar 13 19:50:02 generally when your system is working, you don't see emmc flash failing Mar 13 19:51:04 Shahram: it can be charged with any pc, you just need a usb-a <-> usb micro b cable. Mar 13 19:51:50 It is not charging with the computer i am using. It seems like it is not suporting all powersources. It complained it is too low powerinput. Mar 13 19:52:27 later <3 Mar 13 20:01:17 Shahram: "too low power" is a warning that the N900 system eats more electric current than the charger can provide. This doesn't mean it's not *trying* to charge, it means your N900 is way too busy, possibly with data over 3G, with high LCD backlight brightness, and/or with processes hogging the CPU - tracker/indexer comes to mind Mar 13 20:02:06 Shahram: plugging in the charger to a powered down N900 will boot to act-dead mode which is consuming almost no energy, since all power hogs are inactive Mar 13 20:03:22 CR0W: I installed scratchbox to OpenSuse, according to a howto I found on suse wiki Mar 13 20:03:50 it's a tad hard to find meanwhile, but afaik still existing Mar 13 20:05:13 but I'd go for VM every day, when my system has sufficient grunt. "Native" sb is a pita Mar 13 20:06:09 and offers nice opportunities to nuke your complete PC linux system with a simple `rm /scratchbox` Mar 13 20:34:15 ~flashing Mar 13 20:34:16 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 13 20:35:40 Gholen look out that page is a little confusing :) Mar 13 20:35:59 Agge|m: So I see. Mar 13 20:37:02 Search for "foolproof flashing" on the page but read all of it Mar 13 20:38:02 Agge|m Lokks like the tool has gone about to page 404? Mar 13 20:38:51 DocScrutinizer05: ? ^ Mar 13 20:39:33 Lynx-z told me she fond some of the files with the wayback machine Mar 13 20:40:33 ~flasher Mar 13 20:40:33 flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 20:41:46 ~list Mar 13 20:41:46 one warez list being sent Mar 13 20:41:59 ~help Mar 13 20:43:25 DocScrutinizer05: no list of ~ comands? Mar 13 20:44:02 ~+status Mar 13 20:44:03 Since Wed Mar 12 22:29:45 2014, there have been 3 modifications, 31 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 24 commands. I have been awake for 22h 14m 17s this session, and currently reference 119246 factoids. I'm using about 21532 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 171.15/3.47 child 0/0 Mar 13 20:44:27 ~listkeys zip Mar 13 20:44:29 Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 12262 ;; zip 14304 ;; zip 16052 ;; zip 16350 ;; zip 17832 ;; zip 21556 ;; zip 21620 ;; zip 27259 ;; zip 27851 ;; zip 27852 ;; zip 29320 ;; zip 29449 ;; zip 30116 ;; zip 43608 ;; zip 43635 ;; zip 52660 ;; zip 53176 ;; zip 53195 ;; zip 57115 ;; zip 58476 ;; zip 6061. Mar 13 20:44:42 ~listkeys emmc Mar 13 20:44:45 Factoid search of 'emmc' by key (4): emmcinfo ;; emmc ;; #maemo emmc ;; emmc #DEL#. Mar 13 20:45:47 Agge|m: if it wasn't clear from above: there are roundabout 120k of "~ comands" Mar 13 20:46:59 Yeah did see that. I dident think that it existed that many I was imagin maybe 100-200 of them Mar 13 20:47:26 ok, just the zip crap takes 42k of them Mar 13 20:47:29 Yeah. I'll have to wait. Windows is not something you do this on. Mar 13 20:48:33 and there been another huge class of similar pretty "useless" factoids, also several dozen k Mar 13 20:48:35 What is the zip stuf about? Mar 13 20:48:47 ~zip 12245 Mar 13 20:48:47 extra, extra, read all about it, zip 12245 is Albany Albany NY Mar 13 20:49:43 ~zip 41832 Mar 13 20:49:43 hmm... zip 41832 is Letcher Letcher KY Mar 13 20:50:04 It is also göteborg sweden :) Mar 13 20:50:16 zip 90210 Mar 13 20:50:22 ~zip90210 Mar 13 20:50:35 try again ;-P Mar 13 20:50:35 Why do it list all us zip codes dont feel that usefull? Mar 13 20:50:48 ~zip 90210 Mar 13 20:50:49 i heard zip 90210 is Beverly Hills Los Angeles CA Mar 13 20:50:51 :P Mar 13 20:50:59 ~zip 41832 Mar 13 20:51:00 rumour has it, zip 41832 is Letcher Letcher KY Mar 13 20:51:19 useful, if you live in USA Mar 13 20:51:34 which I don't Mar 13 20:51:57 I guess it's just been dead simple to add that bulk of bloat Mar 13 20:52:19 ~cookie Mar 13 20:52:20 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 37228... Nashville Davidson TN Mar 13 20:52:26 ~cookie Mar 13 20:52:26 why not a api with "zip foo" Mar 13 20:52:27 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 80123... Littleton Jefferson CO Mar 13 20:52:33 ~cookie Mar 13 20:52:35 Hey docscrutinizer05, port 4258 is vrml-multi-use - VRML Multi User Systems Mar 13 20:52:43 Might be but how ofthen do you have only pary of an adress Mar 13 20:52:48 ~port 22 Mar 13 20:52:48 port 22 is, like, ssh - SSH Remote Login Protocol Mar 13 20:53:01 ~cookie Mar 13 20:53:02 Hey docscrutinizer05, zip 55909 is Adams Mower MN Mar 13 20:53:17 ~cookie Mar 13 20:53:18 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds weathercode burley... KBYI located in Burley United States. 42-32-30N 113-45-58W. Mar 13 20:53:44 Thanks DocScrutinizer05 I will look it up and see what is taking so much power. Mar 13 20:53:44 ~listkeys weathercode Mar 13 20:53:46 Factoid search of 'weathercode' by key (13 of 11705): weathercode abong-mbang ;; weathercode atikokan ;; weathercode butmir ;; weathercode clut lake ;; weathercode cwas ;; weathercode cwjr ;; weathercode dedza ;; weathercode etik ;; weathercode fogr ;; weathercode fond du lac ;; weathercode hfff ;; weathercode ho ;; weathercode kcll. Mar 13 20:53:52 only 11k Mar 13 20:57:31 DocScrutinizer05, any plans of a revrite of the flashing page? Mar 13 21:05:51 what's wrong with the flashing page? Mar 13 21:06:12 http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2014/03/13/eu-law-to-end-nightmare-of-multiple-chargers/ Mar 13 21:08:17 Yep, they need to do the same with earphones. Mar 13 21:11:44 sixwheeledbeast, all 4 peaple that boght "new" N900 that i know thinks that it is confusing Mar 13 21:11:53 and it contains broken links Mar 13 21:13:03 "Broken" links cannot be removed because that is the correct source, all others are copies. Mar 13 21:13:54 Also I feel it's normal people have no patience to read the whole thing first. There's even a link to a !yt video Mar 13 21:14:16 nox-: first paragraph says battery, rest of text says charger, wtf? Mar 13 21:14:39 Agge: nope, the page is what it is, since it became that during years, with 1000s (literaly) of fixes to kick false info and ambiguities out, and handle every faintly possible misconception Mar 13 21:16:55 (except people still have no clue what to do, so the page is still not working) Mar 13 21:20:11 thanks finaly somone ellse that dare to say that in the channel Mar 13 21:22:20 DocScrutinizer05, If me and the 4 other persons white a new guide page for flashing the N900 would you consider adding it as the guide for flashing the N900? Mar 13 21:23:29 This has been brought up before. It has been locked for a reason. If it kept being re-ordered and poked around it will cause more confusion IMO. Mar 13 21:24:46 that is why I am proposing that we do a compleate rewrite Mar 13 21:27:54 I wonder if the Wiki has checksums for the files not available from the "correct" source anymore. Mar 13 21:28:17 ~flasher Mar 13 21:28:17 well, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 21:28:49 hm dont look like it is on the wiki Mar 13 21:29:52 I think md5sums would be worth adding Mar 13 21:30:27 I think they should be sha1 or sha2 sums, but meh. Mar 13 21:31:13 since the point of having them on the Wiki would be so people can check that they have the file that's actually endorsed by the Wiki, even though they might've got it from an untrusted source. Mar 13 21:32:13 not sure if the attacks on md5 scale to large inputs. Mar 13 21:33:48 (as opposed to just checking for corruption during transfer, which md5 still works at doing) Mar 13 21:42:44 http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/ DocScrutinizer05 & sixwheeledbeast, what about this? Mar 13 21:44:28 sorry, no idea. tl;dr Mar 13 21:45:30 DocScrutinizer05: :/ I rather liked it. it explains rather well. Mar 13 21:46:01 What about it? It fails to cover all versions of flasher and all versions of maemo. Mar 13 21:46:14 ~emmc Mar 13 21:46:15 i guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 13 21:46:21 ~combined Mar 13 21:46:22 combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 21:47:07 sixwheeledbeast: I think it could be a good idea to write a new documentation with updated links and simplefied instruktions. Mar 13 21:47:13 Don't you guys think so? Mar 13 21:47:55 (([2014-03-13 22:29:52] I think md5sums would be worth adding)) HM? >>...or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/<< Mar 13 21:48:48 ~ssu Mar 13 21:48:48 it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Mar 13 21:49:06 Shahram: the instruction are not goning simpler over time, they started simple and gone more complex to handle all possible mistakes users can and *will* do Mar 13 21:49:36 Not really as I said above. Generally its people haven't read and "absorbed" the whole thing. I can't see a better way to cover all the information there. Mar 13 21:49:39 but it's really not easy to read through, just saying Mar 13 21:49:50 indeed Mar 13 21:50:15 Yeah. I am sure we could re arange it. Make it more readable. Mar 13 21:50:18 and wel, flashing isn't "easy" Mar 13 21:51:06 DocScrutinizer05, do it exist an application manager that is bether then the ones that default? Mar 13 21:51:10 "how to repair your car's brakes - a 20 seconds video tutorial" Mar 13 21:51:25 Why than make it harder with complicated instruktions/wiki/manual? Mar 13 21:51:27 nobody says it have to be easy, right? but there are no point to confuse users even more by an very unsimply stuctured documentation Mar 13 21:51:32 "drive it to the nerest repair shop" :) Mar 13 21:52:22 IIRC we had this same conversation a while ago. this caused a flashing ver2 page to be created which caused even more confusion. This was moved to user space a week later. Mar 13 21:52:46 yeah it was with me :) Mar 13 21:52:52 Lynx-z: you're free to design a multiple-choice form for users to fill, and then have 2^N specialized "updating the firmware" pages Mar 13 21:53:14 DocScrutinizer05: Don't get it wrong, the manual is fine in its own way, but its really not "easy" to get a grip around. It's a little bit like coding binary. Some of the link's are dead (the oh so dreadful 404) and that makes it look like it's not about to work. Mar 13 21:53:15 sixwheeledbeast: we had this discussion every 3 months, during last 4 years Mar 13 21:53:25 :nod: Mar 13 21:54:03 gholen: that's thanks to Nokia taking down elementary support pages Mar 13 21:54:07 lots of things come around in circles in maemo land. I was using an example. Mar 13 21:54:15 Would it not be possible if we crowdsourced it all? I mean it is not needed for one person to write all the different installation options Mar 13 21:54:17 there are no stable new links to replace Mar 13 21:55:03 DocScrutinizer05, I think that all users would trust you with hosting correct files for this Mar 13 21:55:23 there been a stable link til some 2 months ago, when HiFo started going berserk Mar 13 21:55:57 New wave of users come along on IRC and TMO, ask the same 6 questions then silence for 3 months, repeat. Mar 13 21:56:14 Agge: I'm the heck not doing this ANYMORE. I did, until 2 moths ago... Mar 13 21:56:36 too bad Mar 13 21:56:47 so for now it's Mar 13 21:56:52 ~combined Mar 13 21:56:54 somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 21:56:57 ~emmc Mar 13 21:56:58 well, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 13 21:57:01 ~flasher Mar 13 21:57:01 flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 13 21:57:08 How come you stopped DocScrutinizer05 ? Mar 13 21:57:17 ~packagemanager Mar 13 21:57:25 eh Mar 13 21:57:29 ~pkg Mar 13 21:57:29 [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/ Mar 13 21:57:44 and in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#All_Systems the "Note:" Mar 13 21:58:01 I am actuly looking for a bether package manager then the original if it exist? Mar 13 21:58:21 iirc it need to do some special stuff not just a "apt-get" interface Mar 13 21:58:29 Agge: ask freemangordon for speedy-HAM Mar 13 21:58:29 Do you mean application manager? Mar 13 21:58:41 yeah Mar 13 21:59:06 Do not use apt-get, speedyHAM is the way. CSSU-Devel repo Mar 13 21:59:06 Shahram: some guys started bitching and threatening me Mar 13 21:59:14 r00t-eeepc, yeah its about the changers Mar 13 21:59:28 aha thanks Mar 13 21:59:37 DocScrutinizer05: oh idiots.. Yeah ofc that is why we can't have nice things Mar 13 21:59:59 Shahram: so I got aware that on my own box cloud-7 there been my personal backups world-readable. I fixed that error Mar 13 22:00:35 DocScrutinizer05, to bad when stuff like that hapends but I whink we all understand that it makes anyone want to stop Mar 13 22:00:47 list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH Mar 13 22:01:25 Ah i see. That is understandable. Mar 13 22:01:30 what is the thumbs repo? Mar 13 22:09:50 sixwheeledbeast, I can find speedyham in CSSU-Devel Mar 13 22:10:51 Agge: eh? was that a question? Mar 13 22:11:31 i am trying to find a good aplication manager Mar 13 22:12:42 or one that it bether then the standard one but still handel the non apt-get stuff correct Mar 13 22:13:21 speedyHAM is basically huge fixes to HAM. I don't get what you mean by "non apt-get stuff" Mar 13 22:14:33 iirc I found some aplication manager that was just a grafical interface for apt-get so I got recomended to not use that Mar 13 22:15:34 how do I install speedyHAM ? or is it alredy installed on my device if it runns CSSU? Mar 13 22:18:02 ~speedyHAM Mar 13 22:18:07 :( Mar 13 22:19:21 Faster Application Manager aka fapman or FAM is a GUI for apt-get. Unfortunately maemo is a weird beast and FAM and apt-get doesn't account for this. So HAM is highly recommended. Mar 13 22:19:29 Agge: which CSSU? Mar 13 22:20:15 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3+thumb1 Mar 13 22:20:41 unless i use the testing repository it dont show any updates for me Mar 13 22:21:04 maemo 5 cssu also Mar 13 22:21:06 let me check something... Mar 13 22:23:01 Agge: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-1_armel.deb Mar 13 22:23:26 Hm i am having a bit of problem here. Memo flasher 3.5 is not finding my n900. Mar 13 22:23:41 OS? Mar 13 22:24:02 Windows Mar 13 22:24:10 64-bit? Mar 13 22:24:34 I think so. Not my own computer.. Mar 13 22:25:15 Yes it is. Mar 13 22:25:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Workaround_for_.22no_suitable_device_found.22_problem_on_Windows_7_x64 Mar 13 22:26:02 Agge: you can install .deb above for speedyHAM. You will see updates with the testing repo enabled as the latest version is 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 Mar 13 22:27:31 Thanks Mar 13 22:27:50 sixwheeledbeast, what repositorys would you recoment that anyone use? and what should I have disabled? Mar 13 22:28:34 ~speedyHAM is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-1_armel.deb Mar 13 22:28:34 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Mar 13 22:28:56 Well I believe if you have testing and thumb enabled you will get updates from both. Mar 13 22:29:58 cssu-testing Mar 13 22:30:03 yeah but I am a little confused should I only have testing and thumbs and skipp all other stuff? Mar 13 22:30:05 Hopefully speedyHAM will be in next testing update anyway. Mar 13 22:30:21 you shouldn't keep extras-testing and7or -devel enabled Mar 13 22:30:46 what about the nokia or the ovi one? Mar 13 22:31:02 You can disable ovi one Mar 13 22:31:03 ovi is... a zombie Mar 13 22:31:10 nokia you need Mar 13 22:31:21 I it never used anyway Mar 13 22:31:34 both applications and system sofware updates? Mar 13 22:31:36 may have dependencies Mar 13 22:31:46 testing, thumb, nokia SSU, extras. anything else only enable if you need something. Mar 13 22:32:45 so just cssu tumbs and testing not the one that is only cssu? Mar 13 22:32:54 Agge: there are basically no more updates except ne versions of cssu-testing or cssu-stable Mar 13 22:33:01 new Mar 13 22:33:17 and very occasionally a new version entering maemo extras Mar 13 22:33:53 just wanted to be sure about what was the corect one to use instad off just adding all of them Mar 13 22:33:58 there's an extras-testing you shouldn't use ever Mar 13 22:34:15 and there's cssu-testing which is where CSSU-T comes from Mar 13 22:35:37 also you may want to enable extras-devel temporarily to install an app that's in this repo, after you found out which app it is you want. DO NOT keep extras-devel enabled for updates Mar 13 22:35:59 aha thanks Mar 13 22:36:31 maemo extras is where all the additional apps come from Mar 13 22:36:32 is the cssu testing maemo update considerd stabel? Mar 13 22:36:52 ~cssu Mar 13 22:36:53 somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Mar 13 22:37:03 bbl o/ Mar 13 22:37:16 thanks see you Mar 13 22:39:09 Agge: CSSU Stable is considered stable. CSSU Testing is considered a long term testing repo. Which the latter has occasionally seen the odd bug. Mar 13 22:39:49 so no real bad bugs? Mar 13 22:41:06 is the /h/ after community-devel/pool/free hidden? Mar 13 22:42:05 No, why? Mar 13 22:42:30 cant find hildon-application-manager in cssu devel Mar 13 22:43:28 http://i.imgur.com/Z0ZX9Vw.png uh Mar 13 22:44:00 yeah in the aplication manager in the phone it cant be found Mar 13 22:44:06 but apt-get found it Mar 13 22:44:48 That's because it's not in the user section Mar 13 22:45:33 aha so i need to add somthing more then "free non-free" ? Mar 13 22:45:45 because it's not supposed to be updated without maemo Mar 13 22:45:49 no Mar 13 22:46:32 Agge: just use ~speedyHAM link .deb No need to play with repos. Mar 13 22:47:11 ~speedyHAM Mar 13 22:47:11 yeah but I thoght that I might find a faster way then imputing that link in the terminal :) Mar 13 22:47:11 extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-1_armel.deb Mar 13 22:47:47 is it the program that is named appdownloder in the menus? Mar 13 22:48:32 Link on above link with your N900 it will open the application manager and install it. Mar 13 22:49:32 s/Link/Click/ Mar 13 22:49:32 sixwheeledbeast meant: Click on above link with your N900 it will open the application manager and install it. Mar 13 22:49:49 Agge: also terminal supports clipboard Mar 13 22:50:31 hxka, true I when I do somthing complicated with my N900 I usialu just ssh into it Mar 13 22:57:34 it says "unable to update 'hildon-application-manager'. Incompatible application package Mar 13 23:01:46 is it supose to exitst a program named speedyham after I have installed that? Mar 13 23:07:37 No, it's an update for existing hildon-application-manager Mar 13 23:09:11 aha thanks Mar 14 00:25:42 Hm i am having a bit of a problem here Mar 14 00:25:43 I managed to get the COMBINED flashed on my windows 7 64 bit Mar 14 00:25:43 but now when i try to do the emmc it is not working.. Mar 14 00:25:52 It is saying suitable usb device not found Mar 14 00:26:14 It worked with the combined but not with this. :/ Mar 14 00:26:40 DocScrutinizer05: Could you help me? Mar 14 00:51:01 Shahram: you're meant to plug it in while the flasher is running. Mar 14 00:51:23 Shahram: so the flasher should say it's waiting and stay open, looking for booting N900s. Mar 14 00:52:01 (you plug the N900 in using USB while it's off) Mar 14 00:54:05 Maxdamantus: the interesting thing with this is that it finds it and than loose it. Mar 14 00:55:31 what does the device do? Mar 14 00:57:26 Maxdamantus: it is found by the computer as update mode and than lost Mar 14 00:57:29 and found again as storage mode i think Mar 14 00:58:00 so it keeps booting normally? Mar 14 00:58:52 Yeah. Mar 14 01:02:07 Hm it is like the program finds it and starts to get the emmc but then crash. Mar 14 01:02:07 or well the connection crash Mar 14 01:02:07 and then it reconnects and it is out of Update mode **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 14 02:59:59 2014