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Mar 15 16:43:48 <brolin_empey> With rtcom-call-ui, can I have a full 4×4 DTMF keypad instead of only a typical truncated 3×4 DTMF keypad?
Mar 15 16:49:09 <kolp__> brolin_empey: no, there is no such thing
Mar 15 16:50:34 <brolin_empey> kolp__: Can I have a full 4×4 DTMF keypad with any other application on Maemo 5?
Mar 15 16:53:05 <DocScrutinizer05> for whatever definition of DTMF, you prolly could create such app easily, either with a dead simple GUI (qml? even a html template?) to play some .wav samples, or it calls sox with the right parameters
Mar 15 16:53:17 <kolp__> brolin_empey: dunno, I'm not aware of any
Mar 15 16:54:31 <DocScrutinizer05> or you even use your hw kbd as keypad, and write a quick&dirty shellscript to check which key is pressed and play according two tones via sox
Mar 15 16:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: maybe a requirement definition was a good start, iow what for do you need that and what properties/features does it need to have for that usecase
Mar 15 16:56:50 <DocScrutinizer05> pnatd should understand ATDT0123456789*#abcd
Mar 15 17:08:24 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Which TTY is used by rtcom-call-ui for a “voice call”?
Mar 15 17:09:57 <DocScrutinizer05> pnatd
Mar 15 17:10:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ISI has no notion of "TTY"
Mar 15 17:12:41 <DocScrutinizer05> actually for a voice call no TTY is used at all, it's direct call of libisi functions
Mar 15 17:13:32 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Run “pnatd -h”. :-P  I mean which device node corresponds to the GSM/UMTS modem?
Mar 15 17:14:03 <DocScrutinizer05> libisi then talks to phonet0   Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 15-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
Mar 15 17:15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no TTY like e.g. ttyACM or whatever, the closest you get is pnatd
Mar 15 17:16:02 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: If I want to try using pnatd to send ABCD DTMF tones during a “voice call”, how do I run pnatd?
Mar 15 17:17:11 <DocScrutinizer05> pnatd <<$(echo ABCD)  ?
Mar 15 17:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> sth like that
Mar 15 17:19:07 <DocScrutinizer05> or similar stuff via system() and using stdin to send "ABCD"
Mar 15 17:30:58 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: If I interactively run pnatd as root, “AT” returns “OK” but I cannot seem to use ATDT nor ATD .
Mar 15 17:35:23 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, when I tried this, I was even able to create a call
Mar 15 17:35:47 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you're not booked in to your network?
Mar 15 17:37:37 <DocScrutinizer05> strange, maybe my memory fails on me
Mar 15 17:37:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I actually get ERROR
Mar 15 17:38:32 <DocScrutinizer05> aah. missing ; at end
Mar 15 17:39:46 <DocScrutinizer05> without terminating ; it would try to set up a data connection which is not supported this simple way
Mar 15 17:41:04 <DocScrutinizer05> so: "AT+49911555555;" works, and maybe "AT*99#" works too for setting up a data channel
Mar 15 17:42:07 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: ^^^
Mar 15 17:51:13 <raccoon_> DocScrutinizer05: actually, current URL for latest hildon-application-manager (in community-devel repo) is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb
Mar 15 17:51:31 <raccoon_> that is, 2.2.73-2, not -1
Mar 15 17:52:02 <DocScrutinizer05> err speedyham?
Mar 15 17:52:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal speedyham
Mar 15 17:52:14 <infobot> "speedyham" is "http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-1_armel.deb"
Mar 15 17:52:18 <raccoon_> yep
Mar 15 17:52:22 <raccoon_> that link 404s
Mar 15 17:52:26 <raccoon_> as the version is -2
Mar 15 17:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, speedyHAM is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb
Mar 15 17:52:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Mar 15 17:52:57 <raccoon_> cheers
Mar 15 17:53:03 <DocScrutinizer05> thank you!
Mar 15 17:53:13 <raccoon_> np
Mar 15 17:57:26 <kolp__> speedyham?
Mar 15 18:03:29 <freemangordon> kolp__: HAM, but actually usable
Mar 15 18:05:00 <kolp__> oh, nice. I've been away for too long
Mar 15 19:43:59 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: If I run pnatd interactively as root, I can successfully use “ATDT+1xxxyyyzzzz;” to begin a voice call.  However, when using pnatd non-interactively, I cannot succeed at even running only “AT” and seeing the response, never mind using “ATDT”.
Mar 15 19:45:21 <DocScrutinizer05> errr, well, non-interactive doesn't really show responses, right?
Mar 15 19:55:23 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: How can I run pnatd non-interactively to begin a voice call?
Mar 15 19:57:42 <DocScrutinizer05> well, probbaly exactly like any other "non-interactive"
Mar 15 19:58:49 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Please try it yourself.  I cannot succeed so far.
Mar 15 20:01:18 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: You can even try to call me if you want.  Answering your call will not cost me but calling Canada from Europe via the cellular network may cost you.
Mar 15 20:09:16 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: pnatd <(echo "ATD+4991130838;";sleep 15)
Mar 15 20:43:16 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: also see /etc/event.d/phonet-at
Mar 15 20:45:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh
Mar 15 21:15:05 <ShadowJK> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/15/metro_firefox_canceled/
Mar 15 21:15:22 <ShadowJK> I wonder of maemo fennec had/has more users :)
Mar 15 21:21:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, Neo900 has more fans than that
Mar 15 23:49:56 <ff0000g> hi ^.^
Mar 16 00:00:16 <Maxdamantus> Well, Fennec is still available for Android.
Mar 16 00:00:30 <Maxdamantus> I suspect a lot of people will be using it there.
Mar 16 00:01:45 <Maxdamantus> (note that "Fennec" is Mozilla's codename for the project, like "Shiretoko" for the browser, etc .. they're both just branded as "Firefox")
Mar 16 00:04:11 <Maxdamantus> oh, it's not called Shiretoko now.
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