**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 18 02:59:59 2014 Mar 18 08:35:46 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Mar 18 09:37:30 moin :) Mar 18 12:01:08 where can i find fremantle images? Mar 18 12:01:26 tablets-dev is down, as is skeiron.org Mar 18 12:01:37 and http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ doesn't exist Mar 18 12:06:14 found it Mar 18 12:06:38 ~tell trx about combined Mar 18 12:06:48 ~tell trx about emmc Mar 18 12:06:55 ~tell trx about flasher Mar 18 12:07:03 thanks doc! Mar 18 12:07:06 yw Mar 18 12:07:27 DocScrutinizer05: we should put this three links in the subject line of this # Mar 18 12:10:14 sorry weekly news, you felt like zombie state anyway, lately Mar 18 12:11:26 ahh - a way better ^^ Mar 18 12:33:40 now we can say - "hey look at subjectline" and have to discuss what the ~ means :-P Mar 18 14:54:30 hello, most annoying thing in getting vanila kernel to work on N900 is lack of any kind of log. All I know is N900 is switching off after 3-30 seconds - depends on kernel. I even don't know, if kernel is dying or watchdog is playing with or maybe maemo doesn't like my kernel Mar 18 15:05:56 WizardNumberNext: you can build a serial adapter Mar 18 15:06:14 Sicelo, tell me more Mar 18 15:06:14 WizardNumberNext: well, for that you need either serial console, or mtdoops Mar 18 15:06:26 http://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html Mar 18 15:06:37 mtdoops doesn't give me anything at the moment Mar 18 15:06:54 that's what sre is using for the modem work he's doing Mar 18 15:07:01 only logs are from kp52 Mar 18 15:07:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports Mar 18 15:08:36 well, I guess it's watchdog Mar 18 15:09:40 DocScrutinizer05, debug port? does it really have USB? My 1st N900 have broken USB and I do not have good enough tools to solder new one there Mar 18 15:10:06 uh? how's debugport related to USB? Mar 18 15:10:50 DocScrutinizer05, I don't know - kernel doesn't initialiaze any watchdogs, at least chouldn't as they are build as modules Mar 18 15:10:51 you didn't open the link I gave you? even gives you actual useable component numbers, etc Mar 18 15:11:15 Sicelo, I am on reading it Mar 18 15:11:39 well, then that's probably already your problem, since I guess NOLO already does wake the hw watchdogs Mar 18 15:16:59 so I would try to build-in watchdogs and see what happens Mar 18 15:17:59 Sicelo: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_002.jpg ff ... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_009.jpg Mar 18 15:18:30 WizardNumberNext: you first of all should try flasher option to disable watchdogs Mar 18 15:18:34 i remember those too DocScrutinizer05 :) Mar 18 15:18:57 in rd mode? Mar 18 15:19:10 yep Mar 18 15:19:49 afaik NOLO obeys those settings too Mar 18 15:20:38 and iirc I heard u-boot already has trouble with WDs when not keeping them alive, so it seems evident that NOLO wakes them Mar 18 15:24:15 DocScrutinizer05, it looks like you are right - I have both watchdogs built-in and now it stays on. Still blank&dark display, but it is still on Mar 18 15:24:34 sure :-) Mar 18 15:25:08 cannot turn it off tough Mar 18 15:25:20 hold power button for 10s Mar 18 15:26:35 should usually do a hard shutdown Mar 18 15:26:43 should Mar 18 15:27:04 I tried twice laready with at least 10s of break between Mar 18 15:27:23 battery always works Mar 18 15:28:33 well, I'm not sure about this particular one in twl4030, but usually power button triggers a timer that shuts down device after power button got held down for N seconds - *unless* kernel monitors and resets that timer Mar 18 15:29:29 who knows, even if I would be able to understand everything in kernel, reading whole damn kernel would take lifetime Mar 18 15:29:59 when your kernel actually works and notices power button got pressed, and kernel emits a "powerbutton" event to userland and resets timer, then you're SOL with hard powerdown Mar 18 15:30:55 debug console would tell you ;-) Mar 18 15:31:48 anyway your chances to get maemo userland working with vanilla kernel are approximately zilch Mar 18 15:32:21 why would anybody want to do that? Mar 18 15:32:47 freemangordon managed to get 3.12 or 3.14 running on N900 with maemo5 Mar 18 15:33:07 why don't you use that kernel rather than any vamilla kernel? Mar 18 15:38:28 I would really like to do so Mar 18 15:38:41 I mean use fremangordon's kernel Mar 18 15:51:38 I just need a link to it Mar 18 16:35:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410991#post1410991 *shrug* Mar 18 16:36:01 gitorious? github? Mar 18 17:09:02 are they porting blobs ? :( Mar 18 17:15:01 ~combined ~emmc ~flasher Mar 18 17:15:22 ~combined Mar 18 17:15:22 combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 18 17:16:29 Does the RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin still need the Trick with setting Date to 2010 to install a Maemo Update? Mar 18 17:16:38 ~emmc Mar 18 17:16:38 emmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 18 17:18:08 ~flasher Mar 18 17:18:08 somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 18 17:29:08 Apic: I think yes - you need to change the date Mar 18 17:29:38 Ok Mar 18 17:40:14 are there full list of magnets somewhere? Mar 18 18:23:27 It does not list Maemo on the Updates… do i need to set Date back to the current one and then it'll finally list it? Mar 18 18:41:24 Still does not list Maemo Update after changing from 2010 to current Date. B-( Mar 18 18:43:27 Product Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1" though, isn't that quite current already? Mar 18 18:43:34 which update? 21.2011.38-1 is the latest one Mar 18 18:44:12 [2014-03-18 18:15:22] combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia... Mar 18 18:44:50 Yes, i used the one infobot said Mar 18 18:45:05 So with this i do not need the Time-Travel Trick… Mar 18 18:45:10 see the last 4 words Mar 18 18:45:20 Yes. Mar 18 18:45:22 Thanks. Mar 18 18:51:21 nope, you usually don't need time travel, since it's only Nokia's pubkey/cert that expired. You however can get *real* updates from CSSU now, which doesn't have any expired keys Mar 18 18:51:25 ~cssu Mar 18 18:51:25 extra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Mar 18 19:08:20 Okay Mar 18 19:09:46 Apic: sorry Mar 18 19:15:45 silviof: No Worries B-) Mar 18 20:08:10 Ah, the SSU Thingy has a good Battery Status already. Fine, fine! Mar 18 20:18:31 As U-Boot for being able to select to boot kernel-power, is "u-boot-flasher" better, or "uboot-pr13" ("RISKY INSTALL") Mar 18 20:20:07 Well, i'll try the "u-boot-flasher" which is _not_ especially marked as risky. ;-) Mar 18 20:59:06 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5u5ohctp8bx03v3/Millionare.jpg Mar 18 21:03:22 hxka: ouuuu - W-T-F! Mar 18 21:03:39 has he won? Mar 18 21:07:35 nope Mar 18 21:17:48 the question was stupid, after I have look again the picture :-P Mar 18 21:54:36 silviof, hxka, from administrator point of view there was no right answer Mar 18 22:08:32 umm, anyway Mar 18 22:09:14 sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/; s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL = PASSWD:/usr/sbin/gainroot+" -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo Mar 18 22:17:13 hmm, is 01sudo meant to be hand-modified ? Mar 18 22:30:24 err well, not really, but then OTOH who cares? Mar 18 22:30:50 this is rootsh's 01sudo Mar 18 22:31:39 what's definitely *not* meant to get modified, particularly not manually, is /etc/sudoers Mar 18 22:34:35 joerg_rw, I always edit sudoers by hand Mar 18 22:40:39 WizardNumberNext: on maemo you won't stay a happy camper with that Mar 18 22:41:27 check out /usr/sbin/update-sudoers Mar 18 22:41:55 I do not need much of modification there, but I would like to add few things. Still prefer working on maemo, then working on repairing maemo Mar 18 22:42:10 fremantle's sudo really could use an update, to support proper subdirs Mar 18 22:44:08 with what we got on fremantle, editing /etc/sudoers best case may actually work for a while; usually your edits get reverted on next boot; worst case your system bootloops and you have to reflash Mar 18 22:45:37 joerg_rw, with a bit of skill, knowledge and luck you can fix maemo without reflash Mar 18 22:49:33 WizardNumberNext: with a bit more skills, knowledge and luck you won't break it to start with ;-) Mar 18 22:49:54 right - nice one Mar 18 23:46:11 anyway update-sudoers is the magic word. Check it out, it's a script iirc Mar 18 23:46:58 yup **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 19 02:59:58 2014