**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 21 02:59:58 2014 Mar 21 17:41:00 Is anyone aware of any malware for the n900 resulting in the phone sending international text messages when powered on with an active sim card in? Mar 21 17:41:28 Strangest thing I've ever seen, and only noticed it because of the bill Mar 21 17:41:43 Evidently T-Mobile doesn't block international text messages by default Mar 21 17:42:56 ~cherry Mar 21 17:43:04 :-S Mar 21 17:43:15 Yeah it's weird DocScrutinizer05 Mar 21 17:43:20 You ever heard of anything like this? Mar 21 17:43:22 it's cherry Mar 21 17:43:26 Oh Mar 21 17:43:29 cherry is an app Mar 21 17:43:30 Wtf Mar 21 17:44:04 ~jrtools Mar 21 17:44:05 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Mar 21 17:44:32 find: "cherry" Mar 21 17:45:05 # kill that cherry PITA, before it sends SMS -- STILL ACTUAL! Mar 21 17:45:06 Heh Mar 21 17:45:06 # see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Mar 21 17:45:07 touch /home/user/.cherry_state Mar 21 17:45:09 I see that Mar 21 17:45:25 Well at least it ain't the damn NSA Mar 21 17:45:48 I was debating on wiping and starting over from scratch Mar 21 17:46:11 which would give you another SMS ;-P Mar 21 17:46:30 I really thought I might have been targeted by someone Mar 21 17:46:44 you been, by NOKIA XP Mar 21 17:47:23 hehe Mar 21 17:49:36 What about just removing /usr/bin/cherry Mar 21 17:50:05 heh, no /usr/bin/cherry Mar 21 18:00:44 http://privatepaste.com/dbb82de0e3 Mar 21 18:00:55 oops he left Mar 21 18:02:59 also: cat /etc/X11/34cherry Mar 21 18:05:48 So DocScrutinizer05: It didn't work Mar 21 18:05:52 I tried as root and as user Mar 21 18:06:01 it still is sending out two text messages with each poweron Mar 21 18:06:31 Any ideas? Mar 21 18:07:40 Snafu777: check http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Mar 21 18:08:22 there's a "tutorial" how to check for SMS pending to get sent, you should see them at least when booting without your SIM Mar 21 18:08:42 cool Mar 21 18:08:56 so touch /home/user/.cherry_state doesn't work anymore Mar 21 18:08:57 ? Mar 21 18:09:13 I dunno, I think it should still work Mar 21 18:09:15 As well, I have pr1.3 Mar 21 18:09:40 see http://privatepaste.com/dbb82de0e3 from my PR1.3 + CSSU system Mar 21 18:10:19 I guess it's been me who did a rename of /usr/bin/cherry.donotrun Mar 21 18:11:50 And see, I chopped up pymaemo because I hate optification Mar 21 18:19:39 Hmm, DocScrutinizer05: How do I stop this nonsense? Mar 21 18:19:44 I tried .cherry_state to no avail Mar 21 18:19:56 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 21 18:20:01 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 21 18:20:06 are the two files I flashed with Mar 21 18:20:07 sorry, I don't know your system Mar 21 18:20:21 I don't even have cherry installed Mar 21 18:20:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Mar 21 18:20:51 I read it Mar 21 18:20:54 top to bottom Mar 21 18:20:58 has all the info I could share to you Mar 21 18:21:02 but the directions still do not stop the outgoing text Mar 21 18:21:05 Fair enough Mar 21 18:21:17 Gunna try to install cherry and see what happens Mar 21 18:21:52 that doesn't sound like it will stop any SMS already pending to get sent Mar 21 18:22:49 you probably also should read the tmo thread Mar 21 18:24:22 tmo thread? Mar 21 18:24:46 i killed regs_out.txt Mar 21 18:24:48 going to reboot Mar 21 18:38:14 So DocScrutinizer05: Do you have packet injection capability with your N900? Mar 21 18:38:26 not installed Mar 21 18:38:29 I've got a very chopped up way that I did my install, but it sounds like yours doesn't have the sms problem mine does Mar 21 18:38:39 What do you actually use your n900 for? Mar 21 18:38:57 daily phone and PDA Mar 21 18:39:03 and IRC Mar 21 18:39:12 You actually use the damn thing as a phone? Mar 21 18:39:17 sure Mar 21 18:39:36 I couldn't get use to it. Too brickish, I mean don't get me wrong, I love it Mar 21 18:39:43 But, I don't think it's a very good smart phone Mar 21 18:39:50 *shrug* Mar 21 18:40:05 And your setup on your phone, when u install stuff, it doesn't try to fill the nand? Mar 21 18:40:14 Cuz that's why I started binding mounts and such Mar 21 18:40:24 hm? Mar 21 18:40:24 that way apt-get install doesn't fill / Mar 21 18:40:38 that's what optification is for Mar 21 18:40:56 but it doesnt work worth a damn Mar 21 18:41:05 IroN900:~# df -h / Mar 21 18:41:06 Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf Mar 21 18:41:07 * hxka uses n900 for 4 years as a phone Mar 21 18:41:08 ubi0:rootfs 228M 172M 53M 77% / Mar 21 18:41:17 IroN900:~# Mar 21 18:41:18 Display all 1255 possibilities? (y or n) Mar 21 18:41:36 http://pastebin.com/03p0vFtC Mar 21 18:41:37 It's actually smaller than Toshiba G900 I had before Mar 21 18:41:58 I did some remounting and crazy stuff, and it seems to work Mar 21 18:42:21 why oh why Mar 21 18:42:39 Because I would fill up / even with optification Mar 21 18:42:49 /var/cache/apt is a symlink to /opt/somewhere for example Mar 21 18:43:06 No you won't Mar 21 18:43:22 sure you can try to come up with your own very indiviual homegrown way to manage the device. But I prefer to keep as close to the commonly used standard way as possible, it has the best support obviously Mar 21 18:43:42 Okay, so what do you think of this hxka? Mar 21 18:43:43 http://pastebin.com/h5bnkgkq Mar 21 18:43:46 that's step 1 Mar 21 18:43:54 afk Mar 21 18:44:14 http://pastebin.com/KevKP3iX Mar 21 18:44:18 that's step 2 Mar 21 18:45:00 http://pastebin.com/LnPjqcxx step 3 Mar 21 18:45:34 Step 4: http://pastebin.com/LqrFJQzf Mar 21 18:46:40 Nokia-N900:~# df -h / Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 227.9M 149.5M 74.2M 67% / Mar 21 18:46:43 bleh Mar 21 18:46:54 I'm guessing you have a ton of stuff installed too Doc? Mar 21 18:48:28 So, hxka: If I wanted to completly redo my N900 setup from scratch, what apt-get stuff would you recommend, I'm wanting to be able to install freely without worry of overfilling /, and to have the capability for packet injection Mar 21 18:52:48 You don't need ahything to do to not worry about overfilling / Mar 21 18:53:04 yeah, but you see, sometimes I grab random .debs not from maemo Mar 21 18:53:15 So long as they work, i use em =) Mar 21 18:53:26 and if they aren't built with optification in mind, they fill up / Mar 21 18:53:39 Yes, I could repackage em and what not, but what a pain Mar 21 18:56:10 So do you use packet injection hxka? Mar 21 18:56:24 That's the biggest thing with this phone is that I need to always have the capability to do packet injection Mar 21 18:56:41 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46-wl1 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 19 20:51:27 CET 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Mar 21 19:07:34 Another issue is that Pali, and other people, don't like the fact that multiboot flashes a kernel every time you boot (or everytime you select a new kernel), because the number of writes to the raw NAND partition containing the kernel is limited. Mar 21 19:07:42 there are limited writes to the NAND? Mar 21 19:07:44 ?? Mar 21 19:11:31 Snafu777: i remember a user here who ended up having to undertake the big project of moving all of maemo to SD card because his eMMC was tired Mar 21 19:12:02 See, everytime I want to start from scratch I always flash my n900 Mar 21 19:13:06 so? Mar 21 19:13:32 Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"? Mar 21 19:14:18 your experience does not prove or disprove anything at all Mar 21 19:14:26 Heh Mar 21 19:20:38 for those of you interested in wiki matters, you might want to take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ashley/Wiki_upgrade_plan_Q2_2014 and also feel free to let me know what features should be added to the wiki so I can see if we can add 'em during the big upgrade (in May/June, probably) Mar 21 19:43:06 ashley: on a self-help note.. i see on that page, there is mention that links with a + sign can't be opened directly. is there a 'workaround' way to open them in the meantime? Mar 21 20:10:49 re wiki: that messing around with *username* auto-uppercase and generally changing username in any way, is so completely a idea born from crack abuse. nothing ever shall change user nick's spelling since it's part of credentials. If you *really* need to do you could check for certain conditions and inform user about those restrictions, like "no initial numeric chars" or "at least 5 chars" or "no special chars lile @, #, &, ..." or even " Mar 21 20:10:51 first char needs to be UPPERCASE" Mar 21 20:11:27 doing it implicitly though is *begging* for trouble Mar 21 20:14:24 now best you could do after it's already messed up: to-lowercase( username ) *everywhere*, and change all URLs in wiki accordingly Mar 21 20:14:34 ~jrtools Mar 21 20:14:35 [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Mar 21 20:15:13 NB that http://wiki.maemo.org/User:joerg_rw/tools is considered a different page Mar 21 20:16:19 obviously our wiki already has a rewrite rule to auto-capitalize the usernick part of any such URL Mar 21 20:18:30 also compare http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35572 which is (correctly) showing my user nick in lowercase Mar 21 20:22:16 like does http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/ Mar 21 20:23:04 and https://garage.maemo.org/account/login.php?return_to=%2Fusers%2Fjoerg_rw%2F Mar 21 20:23:35 aka https://garage.maemo.org/users/joerg_rw/ Mar 21 20:26:46 MediaWiki doesn't have built-in support for lowercase user names (IIRC it's a historical thing); GForgeAuthentication validates the supplied username + password combo against garage users table and if it matches (user exists), then a new wiki user account is created, so I see no issue with forcing the initial letter to be uppercase at the point where MW user account gets created Mar 21 20:27:13 Sicelo: there's no user-friendly workaround, but you can use [[Special:Export]] to gain access to the raw, ugly underlying wikitext of a page; it's the only way as of now :-( Mar 21 20:30:24 ashley: what would that "support" be? It seems it's rather the lack of support for enforcing upper case initial letter in user nicks Mar 21 20:37:05 MW assumes that -- regardless of the values of $wgCapitalLinks and/or $wgCapitalLinkOverrides configuration global variables -- pages in certain namespace (namely, Special:, User: and MediaWiki:) *always* start with an initial capital letter; while it's possible to hack the software to allow things like lowercase usernames, it's unsupported and as witnessed by the wiki's current state, might... Mar 21 20:37:07 ...lead to strange things (say, try viewing a list of my contributions -- [[Special:Contributions/Ashley]] would work on a normal instance but it returns a "no contributions" message on wiki.maemo.org, despite that I've made some edits to the wiki) Mar 21 20:41:29 yeah, seems that's caused by some update that introduced that autocapitalization while meybe formerly it's not been there, and so now our wiki karma is broken, since all contributions-lists are bogus Mar 21 20:46:26 obviously caused by that forced uppercase initials in user nicks in wiki, that of course need *additional* handling to enforce them everywhere, and seems that's not consistently done *everywhere* in mediawiki, since otherwise it would not do a SELECT ... WHERE (nick=$searchterm); but rather a SELECT ... WHERE (upper(nick)=upper($searchterm)); Mar 21 20:47:24 which would result in mediawiki contributions-lists also showing the contributions done when user got not compulsory uppercased Mar 21 20:48:33 of course it would introduce other inconsistencies, but only when there are two users with nicks that only differ in upper/lower-case of their writing Mar 21 20:48:58 which I'd simply define as a forbidden situation Mar 21 20:51:15 generally any system shouldn't auto-edit/modify user nicks, and for sure it MUST act case-agnostic for *all* operations that compare nicks or use nicks for input to any other function (like creating URLs) Mar 21 20:52:02 ashley: please show me this ugly way :)... i'm actually interested in reading the contents of that page you linked to (Wifi PEAP/MSCHAPv2) Mar 21 20:52:27 IOW: when mediawiki thinks it can't help but auto-capitalize the user nick, then it damn sure shall do that *everywhere*, to every occurence of a user nick Mar 21 20:53:47 --> WHERE (upper(nick)=upper($searchterm)) ; case-agnostic! Mar 21 21:00:38 seems mediawiki been originally developed by a windows socialized developer. ;-P On FAT you don't distinguish between upper- and lowercase for filenames. (btw I seem to remember we seen such crap even for cameraui, where a folder like DCIM got created and then they tried to store to dcim/$photoname ) Mar 21 21:01:33 which caused camera to break when your filesystem on uSD isn't that DOS crap Mar 21 21:02:16 memory is cloudy, but there must've been an issue like that Mar 21 21:03:33 Sicelo: 1) go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Export 2) paste "PEAP+MSCHAPv2 WiFi authentication setup" into the textarea 3) press button 4) ??? 5) PROFIT! Mar 21 21:04:39 thanx :) let me try Mar 21 21:07:18 I wonder how anybody managed to create such page - not even http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=PEAP+MSCHAPv2%20WiFi%20authentication%20setup&action=edit works :-P Mar 21 21:09:54 I also can't come up with an idea how to rename that page, or otherwise edit it Mar 21 21:10:30 edit as in "delete", "lock", whatever Mar 21 21:21:01 ashley: btw it seems http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Contributions is completely broken, it neither shows old nor new, neither uppercase nor lowercase contributions, right? Mar 21 21:27:26 actually http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=newbie&target=&namespace=&year=&month=-1 shows contributions of LOWERcase users only o.O Mar 21 21:28:53 and clicking on e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:chainsawbike&action=edit&redlink=1 of course kicks me to "Editing User:Chainsawbike" (note UPPERcase nick) Mar 21 21:30:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Joerg+rw&to=Joerg+rx&namespace=2 works - FWIW Mar 21 21:32:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=joerg+rw&to=joerg+rx&namespace= works too, auto-capitalizing my nick Mar 21 21:32:40 oops, truncated a "2" Mar 21 21:34:11 the problem pretty obviously is in mediawiki, it doesn't consistently auto-capitalize the usernames everywhere. Sometimes it does, sometimes not. Thus it creates its own inconsistencies Mar 21 21:37:08 MW assumes that all usernames start with an initial capital letter, because that's what normally happens -- it's not possible to have lowercase entries "pop up" in the database...except when you've hacked the core software poorly, which is the case with maemo.org's wiki Mar 21 21:39:20 well, obviously a few years ago it been hacked better that it's now, since it evidently worked back when Mar 21 21:39:59 but I know whom to blame, for that half-arsed update probably done during consolidation/migration#1 Mar 21 21:40:47 could be...but given that wiki.maemo.org is not -- thankfully ;) -- Wikipedia or other equally popular site, I think we'll all be better off with a stock MW install and no crazy patches like these: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log until MW properly supports lowercase usernames (there's a bug open about that, lemme track it down...) Mar 21 21:43:47 this appears to be the most recent ticket about lowercase user names: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62396 Mar 21 21:43:48 04Bug 62396: was not found. Mar 21 21:44:34 ashley: well, whatever makes it work, but it seems it worked better with those crazy patches (the complete set of them) than without. Which btw is exactly same situation as in midgard Mar 21 21:45:26 I try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole Mar 21 21:45:33 sure Mar 21 21:46:34 but mediawiki has a bug in all existing versions, in that it doesn't do proper nickname case-normalizing everywhere Mar 21 21:47:11 when you normalize a date, you need to normalize it *everywhere* and not "rely on" something as given Mar 21 21:49:56 given that it needs code to convert my original nick "joerg_rw" into the "Joerg_rw" used in wiki, I think it can't be too hard to simply comment out that code everywhere, rather than add it where it's missing Mar 21 21:53:03 this wouldn't make wiki case-agnostic, but at least it wouldn't mess with case of nicks anymore, so you could finally use nicks as they are defined elsewhere in maemo, and the only thing to "fix" would be all data that got created with an auto-capitalized nick as reference - all that needs to get converted back to non-capitalized, or you add that normalization at a few locations where it's needed, like "WHERE (upper(nick)=upper( Mar 21 21:53:05 $searchterm))" Mar 21 22:02:39 actually https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log sounds like it would fix exactly all the problems we're facing in wiki right now Mar 21 22:03:14 except the problem of "corrupted" data that got introduced to database due to no proper handling of nicknames Mar 21 22:18:19 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62396 mentions *all* the points I pulled outa my a.... before, even the conflicts situation that probably gets also blocked by garage. Yet the bug is a mere 2 weeks old, and I have little hopes it will get solved in upstream in considerable timespan Mar 21 22:18:21 04Bug 62396: was not found. Mar 21 22:19:34 incredible how mediawiki got away with this for years and nobody starting to go crazy about it Mar 21 22:20:13 it's so blatantly obviously broken defective design Mar 21 22:49:30 anybody find that POI search no longer works in Modrana? Mar 21 22:54:20 we had same report a few days ago in here - if that not been you Mar 21 22:55:39 umm, [2014-03-12 16:22:08] is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me? Mar 21 22:56:52 you probably should talk to modrana developer, which I know is hanging around here in this channel, though I forgot who is it Mar 21 22:58:07 martink? Mar 21 22:59:05 right, Martin Kolman Mar 21 22:59:11 ~seen martink Mar 21 22:59:13 DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'martink' Mar 21 23:01:29 oooh Mar 21 23:01:39 ~seen m4rtink Mar 21 23:01:42 m4rtink <~M4rtinK@ip-78-102-146-9.net.upcbroadband.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8d 1h 33m 26s ago, saying: 'Gear_: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SQLiteTilesImportPerlScriptEN'. Mar 21 23:02:22 DocScrutinizer05: yeah sorry, was outside actually looking for somewhere then Mar 21 23:02:36 and rapidly realised i would run out of battery power if i stayed on IRC :) Mar 21 23:03:20 i should test it again actually, just in case it was an actual server problem Mar 21 23:03:39 http://maemo.org/profile/view/martink/ Mar 21 23:06:17 ~seen dneary Mar 21 23:06:20 dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 765d 10h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'Nightrose, I'll ping you again tomorrow :)'. Mar 21 23:06:26 o.O Mar 21 23:07:09 [2014-03-22 00:05:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary Mar 21 23:07:11 [2014-03-22 00:05:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Mar 21 14:50:04 2014 (8 hours, 15 minutes, 55 seconds ago) Mar 21 23:08:06 ashley: maybe it would be worth it to ping dneary about those patches he did in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 02:59:59 2014