**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 02:59:59 2014 Mar 22 03:41:12 If i am using the following packages, do I need to have kernel-power-settings installed as well? Mar 22 03:41:19 dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb #[MD5 23542161ca5b6875726da3d86f67a7e1] Mar 22 03:41:19 dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-headers_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb #[MD5 47bc304bec03eee661498b2448870d3e] Mar 22 03:41:19 dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb #[MD5 707ac4233b3fe62c953a8f59c7ce24b1] Mar 22 03:41:19 dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb #[MD5 0da53d19401f4d71cdebad551ca9166e] Mar 22 04:44:06 kernel-power-settings is an app Mar 22 04:44:31 so, no Mar 22 04:46:26 then otoh kernel-power-flasher is also an "app" Mar 22 04:47:09 while kernel-power-headers prolly is a sourcecode pkg Mar 22 05:12:39 DocScrutinizer05: Okay, so I am wiping my N900 and trying to follow the community way of doing things. The only thing I "require" is packet-injection capabilities Mar 22 05:12:46 From a fresh flash, what should I apt-get Mar 22 05:12:50 If you don't mind Mar 22 05:13:34 I kept having troubles with the cherry thing, once I wiped, so I figure, I'll try the "proper" way, and since you are very adept with it, I figure I can ask you and you can point me =) Mar 22 05:13:52 I'm slick and saavy with linux, so no worries on the noob side with trying to figure out what a command does Mar 22 05:14:14 I hate to keep wiping my eMMC, but it's how I know that I am starting from scratch Mar 22 05:14:39 The only thing different I have done as of right now is to: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin Mar 22 05:14:43 erp Mar 22 05:14:53 sed -e "s/2048/9216/" RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin>patched-VANILLA.bin Mar 22 05:25:30 looks ok Mar 22 05:25:46 you however should steer clear of apt-get usually Mar 22 05:26:36 and particularly not edit your sources file manually, since HAM doesn't like that, or rather just gnores and overwrites it Mar 22 05:28:22 apt-get is fine for non-gui stuff, basically. And not even then always. Some things you rather should install via HAM, since they involve stuff that apt can't do Mar 22 05:28:55 Hmm Mar 22 05:29:18 As soon as I installed my debs, cherry became an issue again =( Mar 22 05:29:36 I guess I need to stick with pymaemo and all the optification nonsense to avoid it Mar 22 05:32:32 community should create their own fixed COMBINED, kicking nonsense like cherry into outer orbit or completely out of this system Mar 22 05:33:37 but then HiFo gets panic again, since this is (C)-Nokia and we mustn't touch it, heck some say we mustn't even own it Mar 22 05:43:36 https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU <---- Complete Mar 22 05:43:52 So DocScrutinizer05: Am I still able to install kernel-power and whatnot for packet injection? Mar 22 05:44:21 Is there anything I should not do (apt-get dist-upgrade, etc...) so that I don't break it? Mar 22 05:45:43 the biggest thing with the way that I used to install and play with stuff on my n900 was that I had to be real weary of adding anything Mar 22 05:45:50 lest I break the packet injection capabilities Mar 22 05:46:04 I've never done stuff the "official" maemo way, even though I've had my n900 for 2+ years now Mar 22 05:46:10 I feel so "new" with it doing it this way Mar 22 06:06:04 I think powerkernel comes with injection drivers, and even a script to enable (aka modprobe) and disable them Mar 22 06:06:19 powerkernel is 100% compatible to CSSU Mar 22 06:09:03 you probably shouldn't: apt-get (dist-)upgrade|autoremove, edit apt sources files (use HAM catalogs mgmt for that), keep maemo-extras-devel (or -testing) enabled; use fapman Mar 22 06:09:19 and Mar 22 06:09:25 ~crappatch Mar 22 06:09:27 somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Mar 22 06:10:03 last questions for you doc Mar 22 06:10:18 Regarding using the n900 as is, without my crazy rbind techniques Mar 22 06:10:23 if i want to install something Mar 22 06:10:32 and i do it via apt-get or dpkg -i Mar 22 06:10:45 is there a trick i can use so it's on /home/opt? Mar 22 06:11:15 I heard there are options to install to somewhere else than the designated dirs Mar 22 06:11:30 Yeah, but you yourself, what do you do? Mar 22 06:11:31 but there's also a number of optify tools Mar 22 06:11:41 for after the fact, or beforehand? Mar 22 06:11:43 I never have this problem, tbh Mar 22 06:11:50 for after Mar 22 06:12:02 and do i run it againt the .deb prior to dpkg -i? Mar 22 06:12:08 or do i point it at a dir Mar 22 06:12:09 ? Mar 22 06:12:28 the question is what would you be installing via deb/apt? if it's already optified, no need for 'tricks' Mar 22 06:12:34 IroN900:~# maemo-optify- Mar 22 06:12:35 maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh maemo-optify-firstboot.sh maemo-optify-lib.sh maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh Mar 22 06:14:24 less `which maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh ` Mar 22 06:14:54 yeah im checking it out Mar 22 06:15:07 I'm just curious how a script can deal with this type of issue Mar 22 06:15:13 for instance, curl Mar 22 06:15:18 if i build it from source Mar 22 06:15:23 on a non optified system Mar 22 06:15:24 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=optify&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same Mar 22 06:15:25 and dpkg-deb it Mar 22 06:15:55 it's going to install however the configure file built it Mar 22 06:16:06 it simply moves binaries to /opt and creates symlinks in place of originals Mar 22 06:16:11 so if it's set to drop into /foo/kill Mar 22 06:16:49 Okay, but without me reading the script from top to bottom and mapping out exactly what it does Mar 22 06:17:09 just for giggles, i tried maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh / Mar 22 06:17:45 check out the links I gave, there's a micro-howto somewhere. IIRC you feed that thing a textfile with dirs and/or binaries to optify Mar 22 06:18:23 suuuure, this will pan out excellently Mar 22 06:19:14 Okay, so lets say it popped some files in /usr/share/some_folder Mar 22 06:19:21 do I need to know it popped some files there? Mar 22 06:20:48 * Maxdamantus just has everything on the same filesystem, so when it bind mounts /home/opt /opt, it's still within the same filesystem. Mar 22 06:21:43 and /home/maemo5-root is the root of the OS (so that's chrooted into as init is run) Mar 22 06:22:02 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/maemo-optify/0.2.1/ -> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/source/m/maemo-optify/maemo-optify_0.2.1.tar.gz -> README Mar 22 06:22:10 How'd you set that up from the getgo Maxdamantus ? Mar 22 06:22:35 I kind of did something like that, but it still had / on the NAND Mar 22 06:22:40 vs your chroot stuff Mar 22 06:22:47 Seems like you have a way better technique Mar 22 06:23:17 you need pivot_root for that Mar 22 06:23:31 the NAND still actually has the OS, but it's not used (other than the busybox sh, mount, chroot etc for the prepreinit) Mar 22 06:23:38 Meh, don't need pivot_root. Mar 22 06:23:47 though it might be cleaner. Mar 22 06:23:58 mkdir -p /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt Mar 22 06:23:58 cp -ar /var/cache/apt/* /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt Mar 22 06:23:58 cp -ar /opt /home/rootfs_bind Mar 22 06:23:58 cp -ar /usr /home/rootfs_bind Mar 22 06:23:58 cp -ar /sbin /home/rootfs_bind Mar 22 06:23:59 cp -ar /lib /home/rootfs_bind Mar 22 06:24:01 cp -ar /root /home/rootfs_bind Mar 22 06:24:03 touch /home/rootfs_bind/THESE_ARE_SYSTEM_BIND_MOUNTS Mar 22 06:24:05 cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/sources.list /etc/apt/ Mar 22 06:24:07 chown -R user:root /home/user/MyDocs Mar 22 06:24:11 chown -R user:users /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ Mar 22 06:24:13 that was my technique Mar 22 06:24:19 Still left some stuff on / (which i did not like) Mar 22 06:24:25 I can't remember if pivot_root is the one that expects to essentially `rm -rf` the original tree. Mar 22 06:24:39 Do you have your direction Maxdamantus ? Mar 22 06:25:10 And before that, I had to do a modification to the following: Mar 22 06:25:11 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=optify&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same Mar 22 06:25:14 blah Mar 22 06:25:18 cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/rcS-late /etc/event.d/rcS-late Mar 22 06:25:18 chmod 644 /etc/event.d/rcS-late Mar 22 06:25:18 cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/genfstab.awk /usr/lib/genfstab.awk Mar 22 06:25:18 chmod 755 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk Mar 22 06:25:23 those two files Mar 22 06:26:52 other than copying the files to the right places, there's a small script that replaces /sbin/preinit on the NAND filesystem (replaces so you don't need to set init= in the cmdline) Mar 22 06:27:16 and disabling an automatic fstab generation thing somewhere. Mar 22 06:29:06 https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/01e0925fb0a303374123 Mar 22 06:29:28 kind of ad-hoc. Mar 22 06:31:55 ah, and there was some issue with dbus. Mar 22 06:32:13 afaict, the normal dbus configuration shouldn't actually work. Mar 22 06:32:21 Heh Mar 22 06:32:32 Yer super far ahead of me in linux knowledge Maxdamantus =) Mar 22 06:32:37 but it only stopped working after moving the root filesystem, for some reason. Mar 22 06:33:30 the issue was a permission one of user being able to listen on services or something. Mar 22 06:33:42 if you run into that issue, it'll probably hang on the dots. Mar 22 06:35:28 also included in that gist above. Mar 22 06:35:46 mce in particular. Mar 22 06:37:23 * Maxdamantus doesn't really understand dbus though. Mar 22 06:38:01 looks like the last rule should take care of what the added bit ( for user="user") added. Mar 22 06:41:46 too bad I can't just mount / /home/opt Mar 22 06:41:51 er Mar 22 06:41:59 mount / /home/opt/rootfs Mar 22 06:43:31 you can with --bind Mar 22 06:44:00 then you'll see the root filesystem without the other mounts on top of it. Mar 22 06:45:05 Still doesn't solve the 96MB free on / problem Mar 22 06:45:13 no matter which way you mount it =( Mar 22 06:45:21 and I'm evidently not linux saavy enough to figure this out Mar 22 06:45:28 Ah, thought you were looking for an easy way to copy stuff off it. Mar 22 06:45:44 Trying to figure out an easier way than my current way to fix the / problem for the n900 Mar 22 06:45:47 great device Mar 22 06:46:00 but whoever the hell thought of the filesystem layout at Nokia should be shot Mar 22 06:46:58 just make the new root in /home/maemo5-root or something, bind-mount / somewhere else so you can `cp -vax` from it to /home/maemo5-root Mar 22 06:47:23 Tell u what Maxdamantus: it's late as hell here Mar 22 06:47:33 I'd love to show you my progress I've made, and possibly exchange ideas Mar 22 06:50:00 what's "the problem" in 96MB free on / ? I'd say that's pretty fine Mar 22 06:51:18 just having to worry about it. Mar 22 06:51:41 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Mar 22 06:51:41 /dev/sdd2 7.3T 5.4T 1.9T 74% / Mar 22 06:51:46 I never worry about that. Why should I? For the fun of worrying about something? Mar 22 06:55:21 I start to worry about /var/log/syslog size, after 120 days of uptime Mar 22 06:55:37 >/var/log/syslog Mar 22 06:55:48 fixes that worries in no time Mar 22 06:57:13 I worry about it DocScrutinizer05, because most sourcefiles on the internet don't worry about optification, and unless you mod the makefile, or add certain files to configure, then those sourcefiles output fills the n900 up rather quickly Mar 22 06:57:27 and each sourcefile has it's own little tweak and issues Mar 22 06:57:28 others are not worried about syslogs of early boot, and thus place their syslog to MyDocs Mar 22 06:57:50 So much so that it's frickin frustrating to develop on the n900 from a non scratchbox method Mar 22 06:58:58 Snafu777: I don't get it. you say you compile stuff from random sources meant for random target platforms to install it on maemo, and you worst worries you have are about optification? :-o Mar 22 06:59:07 I hack it up dude =) Mar 22 06:59:09 I make it work Mar 22 06:59:24 not random platforms per se Mar 22 06:59:29 but i'll grab a source.tar.gz Mar 22 06:59:30 ~xy Mar 22 06:59:31 extra, extra, read all about it, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. Mar 22 06:59:33 try configure Mar 22 06:59:34 make Mar 22 06:59:35 make install Mar 22 06:59:48 and if it works, great Mar 22 06:59:56 if not, i'll play with some flags on configure Mar 22 07:00:15 typically I build on Mint, and port to my n900 =) by modding the flags on make Mar 22 07:00:26 make HOME=foo or whatever the makefile talks about Mar 22 07:00:54 * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head Mar 22 07:01:03 ;) Mar 22 07:01:25 you know, there's a compile time option to determine where to install that stuff to Mar 22 07:01:33 Sure Mar 22 07:01:42 But sometimes I go with a straight .deb from wheezy debian Mar 22 07:01:44 things like that Mar 22 07:01:49 depends on what proggie I want Mar 22 07:02:00 armel style Mar 22 07:02:01 meh Mar 22 07:02:07 wheezy, heh Mar 22 07:02:08 I just use what i find that works Mar 22 07:02:13 or lenny Mar 22 07:02:22 im thinking wheezy for kali Mar 22 07:02:24 so disregard Mar 22 07:02:28 lenny = n900 friendly Mar 22 07:02:55 the programs you're installing aren't already available for N900? Mar 22 07:03:02 Take curl for instance Mar 22 07:03:14 My hacked up version of curl has options you cant get with the apt-get install version Mar 22 07:03:29 because i added everysingle library i could find Mar 22 07:03:34 and configured it as such =) Mar 22 07:04:08 when you're such a venturous hacker that you install lenny .debs on fremantle, but are shy to mv /bin/$leeteproggi /opt/bin && ln -s /opt/bin/$leetproggi; then I dunno what to say Mar 22 07:04:11 except Mar 22 07:04:12 ~xy Mar 22 07:04:13 methinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. Mar 22 07:05:12 sure, creating a fremantle rootfs on eMMC is for sure muuuuch easier Mar 22 07:05:24 http://configitnow.com/repo/pool/utils/c/curl-n900/curl-n900_7.18.2_armel.deb Mar 22 07:05:45 I'm just shy of bricking my 2nd n900 doc =( Mar 22 07:06:03 and that fremantle really is crap, it never works like you expect it to work with your lenny debs and your hacked chroot Mar 22 07:06:12 Agreed Mar 22 07:06:17 100% with you Mar 22 07:06:17 you can't brick N900 Mar 22 07:06:22 Oh... Mar 22 07:06:25 I nuked my first one Mar 22 07:06:30 from a lot of eMMC reflashes Mar 22 07:06:34 with a hammer? Mar 22 07:06:52 interesting.. yesterday you were suggesting that's not true.. Mar 22 07:06:54 With the concrete after the programs on a fresh flash kept crashing Mar 22 07:07:20 Sicelo: Me? Mar 22 07:08:11 The reason I use lenny .debs is because the arm versions seem to work Mar 22 07:08:25 and if it "seems" to work, then why not =) it prevents me from compiling and dealing with the nonsense Mar 22 07:08:43 19:13 < Sicelo> so? Mar 22 07:08:43 19:13 < Snafu777> Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"? Mar 22 07:08:45 19:14 < Sicelo> your experience does not prove or disprove anything at all Mar 22 07:09:03 Yeah, I mentioned it yesterday Mar 22 07:09:28 that it has a limited number of lives, because whatever i was reading or what we were talking about seemed to back up that flashing to the nand x amount of times kills it Mar 22 07:09:50 * Maxdamantus would like to see if he can just ditch the special phone OS at some point. Mar 22 07:09:58 i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 2012 Mar 22 07:10:03 flashed it around 45+ times Mar 22 07:10:11 and it just started freaking out Mar 22 07:10:20 would randomly crash on terminal being opened Mar 22 07:10:24 things like that Mar 22 07:10:41 So eventually, out of frustration, i made it go airborne =0 Mar 22 07:10:44 you kid, I not Mar 22 07:10:54 And express ordered one the next day via ebay Mar 22 07:10:57 had my 2nd one sense Mar 22 07:10:59 since Mar 22 07:11:05 there's some n900 implemenation of a freephonesomething DBus API Mar 22 07:11:36 sure Mar 22 07:11:46 should just be able to run that and add simple SMS UIs around it Mar 22 07:11:46 needed by SHR Mar 22 07:11:53 Truthfully, the reason I love the n900 so much is that it is the smallest device that has the capability to do packet injection Mar 22 07:12:09 Maxdamantus: even ofono works. btw, see http://elinux.org .. in future you s hould be able to run a vanilla kernel on N900 (may still need a few patches though) Mar 22 07:12:25 run xmonad with a less keyful config Mar 22 07:13:21 I'll see what that is in a bit, afpk (p = phone) Mar 22 07:13:39 Well, anyways it is late. Thanks for putting up with me, I know I can seem to test your patience DocScrutinizer05 =) Mar 22 07:13:53 I look forward to your reply Maxdamantus =) Mar 22 07:13:55 Snafu777: yes, NAND writes are limited to maybe 10000 (to *each* single page) Mar 22 07:14:20 Snafu777> i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 2012 Mar 22 07:14:29 Not sure how "used" it was Mar 22 07:14:33 but I murdered it Mar 22 07:14:36 =) Mar 22 07:14:48 Anyways, goodnight people =) Mar 22 07:14:50 Good chatting Mar 22 07:14:53 for eMMC that limit should be a few magnitudes higher though Mar 22 07:14:56 and try my curl version Mar 22 07:15:01 it's waaaay better =) Mar 22 07:15:11 =)---->------< Mar 22 07:15:55 '...bricked my eMMC by flashing it 45 times' TZZZ Mar 22 07:16:31 probably cracked eMMC chip by pressing on the keyboard really violently Mar 22 07:16:36 :p Mar 22 07:17:17 or ran nandtest, and mixed up eMMC and NAND Mar 22 07:17:35 nandtest is made to wear out nand Mar 22 07:18:17 it's one of the two ways I know of, that you really can brick your N900 with Mar 22 07:18:39 without using brute mechanical or electrical force Mar 22 07:29:28 nandtest --passes 9999999 --offset 0 --length 300000 Mar 22 07:34:59 oFono seems somewhat vague .. "a place to bring developers together .." Mar 22 07:35:09 but it seems to include a Linux tree. Mar 22 07:35:47 :) it works, i used it with Debian on the N900, and could use 3G, as well as send sms messages. Mar 22 07:36:11 what did you actually use to send SMS messages? Mar 22 07:36:21 cli Mar 22 07:36:42 also sent USSD codes :) Mar 22 07:36:46 Oh, it's not a Linux tree. Mar 22 07:36:58 there's some test scripts provided with ofono.. Mar 22 07:37:33 okay, so it ultimately provides a bunch of programs for doing telephony stuff, so should be a decent starting point. Mar 22 07:39:30 even phone calls would work, if it wasn't for weird mix of alsa, pulse, etc by nokia .. Mar 22 07:41:03 were you using Debian while running Maemo normally? Mar 22 07:42:53 if you were running it without Maemo, presumably the weird mix Nokia uses should be irrelevant. Mar 22 07:57:56 i was not running maemo. booting debian Mar 22 07:58:50 i'm not a guru in these things, but there's something about cmt-speech which needs some specific things provided only by this mix-mash Mar 22 07:59:44 if you look in the elinux page i gave before, someone's working on fixing this.. then we should be able to use N900 more easily :) Mar 22 08:00:42 Skry made some real good progress with this pulseaudio thing, so he was able to make phone calls in ArchLinux. he did not get to GUI stage Mar 22 08:02:37 My N900 is "broken", u-boot, etcl. don't work, so if making calls from archlinux (easily from commandline) i'd be happy Mar 22 08:04:46 How would you get to ArchLinux if it's broken such that u-boot doesn't work? Mar 22 08:05:18 isnt it pssible to install it as main OS? Mar 22 08:05:24 w/o dualboot Mar 22 08:05:27 ? Mar 22 08:06:00 Sure, but if you can do that you can probably get u-boot to work. Mar 22 08:07:12 but why doesn't u-boot work? Mar 22 08:07:20 i dont know Mar 22 08:07:31 it just cannot boot anything Mar 22 08:07:54 So u-boot loads, but you can't boot anything? Mar 22 08:08:04 how do you know you're trying correctly? Mar 22 08:08:51 u-boot doesn't normally boot standard Linux images. You need to wrap them in a special u-boot format that adds a header describing the architecture and stuff. Mar 22 08:09:46 Ashley`: test by booting your Arch via flasher.. load the kernel, don't flash it.. Mar 22 08:09:58 and with u-boot, make sure you're using right version Mar 22 11:36:23 Ashley`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges Mar 22 11:48:04 damn i have to calibrate my battery again Mar 22 11:48:19 DocScrutinizer05: tabfail i guess Mar 22 11:48:46 ashley: 12:36:23 Ashley`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges Mar 22 11:49:10 tabfail? Mar 22 11:50:18 I'm talking about those "SUBJ1" spammers Mar 22 11:50:26 they start to annoy me Mar 22 11:51:59 must be some damn automatism, nobody sane in mind would simply delete a whole wikipage's content and place "SUBJ1" into the subject Mar 22 11:52:33 and I start to want to attack that IP's machine Mar 22 11:53:28 Google autocompletes "subj1" to "subj1 spam" Mar 22 11:53:40 ooh Mar 22 12:02:27 not much useful info though. Except maybe that one linkedin comment who suspects it comes from a work Mar 22 12:03:46 anyway 91.207.7.82 either got hijacked by malware or some skiddie is practicing with a malware construction kit there Mar 22 12:13:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:Tuxsavvy&curid=4807&diff=52823&oldid=45752&rcid=53215 Mar 22 12:16:56 going to roll-back that edit Mar 22 12:21:13 that first IP address is on my ISP. Mar 22 12:22:07 er, no it's not. Mar 22 12:49:47 Ashley`: maybe we actually should disallow edits for non-registered (anonymous) users. I opted for not doing it so far, with the argument that this way it's easier to spot and revert rogue edits. I'm not sure my approach been correct Mar 22 12:51:55 @all: any opinions regarding that plan to block edits from anonymous on maemo wiki? Mar 22 12:54:47 DocScrutinizer05: you're tabfailing Mar 22 12:55:01 huh? Mar 22 12:55:10 DocScrutinizer05: i'm not droid^WAshley you're looking for Mar 22 12:55:43 ooh Mar 22 12:55:50 :P Mar 22 12:55:55 damn! Mar 22 12:56:05 ashley: ^^^ Mar 22 12:56:28 i pinged ashley for you earlier :P Mar 22 12:57:04 sorry, this ` failed my eyes Mar 22 13:22:06 DocScrutinizer05: @all is all of us here? i agree. edits hould be from registered users. such registration implies some level of trust. otherwise we could easily end up with inaccurate info, etc Mar 22 13:22:06 So, Is there anyway to get the screen to rotate to both portrait AND landscapemode? I REALLY need that to make the N900 useful. Mar 22 13:22:57 gholen: modified-hildon-desktop. Mar 22 13:23:09 err, rather Mar 22 13:23:11 ~cssu Mar 22 13:23:11 it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Mar 22 13:23:18 CSSU already has it by default, and is very advisable to install Mar 22 13:23:22 ah :) Mar 22 13:23:26 and there particularly -testing Mar 22 13:24:09 if i'm on stable, and want to move to -testing, anything more than just changing catalogs? Mar 22 13:24:26 err, basically not, afaik Mar 22 13:25:01 otoh you could just install the "missing features" "manually" Mar 22 13:25:36 :) Mar 22 13:26:45 Latest version: Testing(2014-01-01): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1 Mar 22 13:27:18 Sicelo: Thanks, but the Wiki itself is full with broken links and is hard to read (U run gentoo in development so yeah, I can read), so that have to wait in that case. I cant seem to get the exe working (I'd rather not put anything I dont fully trust on my gentoomashine), and yeah. back in the box you go! Mar 22 13:27:57 uh? Mar 22 13:31:14 the heck. CSSU has one-click-install already. I can't come up with any idea how to further simplify this process Mar 22 13:31:53 "eeeek! 50 lines of info? Nah, no time for that" Mar 22 13:32:22 also I can't see any broken links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Mar 22 13:32:59 DocScrutinizer05: Sorry? I thought you where not talking to me, but anouther person, so CSSU ? Mar 22 13:52:59 gholen: yes Mar 22 13:57:50 DocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :( **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 14:01:45 2014 Mar 22 14:02:02 o.O Mar 22 14:03:19 merlin1991: ^^^ Mar 22 14:04:20 MohammadAG: ^^^ Mar 22 14:04:34 DocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :( Mar 22 14:22:32 DocScrutinizer05: Think it looks better now. Some reboots later... Mar 22 14:24:55 gholen: maybe your connectivity was unstable? Mar 22 14:27:24 DocScrutinizer05 Might be that, might be some other stuff. Looks like I got it working now tough :) Mar 22 14:27:41 while the process of installing CSSU been tested and proven to work usually flawlessly, it's not designed to handle connectivity loss halfway in, and resuming the process isn't really a tested procedure Mar 22 14:29:17 anyway, when you got "about CSSU" in your settings menu, and the info shown there is in line with what you tried to install, you should be fine Mar 22 15:10:22 i should think it will still work fine even if network goes crazy. install does not begin until all dependencies have been completely downloaded Mar 22 17:31:56 hello guys, my n900's usb and his connectors on the PCB are completely broken, is there a clean and safe way to solder an external USB connector using test pads on the motherboard ? Mar 22 17:32:39 Hello Mar 22 17:34:28 I don't need Data, just a way to safely charge the device Mar 22 17:35:29 but if there is also a way to have data and to be able to charge the battery without a bridge between d+ and d- ... Mar 22 17:35:40 I don't think it's safe to use the test pads for that Mar 22 17:38:10 charge battery outside of unit, or have to get a USB connection working once more... Mar 22 17:42:10 I will try to clean the PCB and to solder a new USB connector, but I don't believe in miracles :/ Mar 22 17:42:37 it's pretty tricky :( Mar 22 17:42:54 some hot air gun might help Mar 22 17:44:03 some of the ground pads are very ugly, and the USB little ones are not great too Mar 22 17:46:02 I am afraid that trying to solder on that mess would be useless Mar 22 19:34:27 ~usbfix Mar 22 19:34:27 it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons Mar 22 19:36:06 Munrek: there are auxiliary GND areas you should use to solder down the USB receptacle decently. And there are alternative solder points to attach wires and run them to the D+/D-/ID pins Mar 22 19:36:47 a first-time broken N900 USB port is *always* fixable Mar 22 19:42:16 A question if anyone is available Mar 22 19:42:21 I am running kp52 for the kernel Mar 22 19:42:26 i did not install kernel-power-settings Mar 22 19:42:41 Do I need to install kernel-power-settings to enable qcpufreq to work properly? Mar 22 19:42:56 what do you need cpufreq for? Mar 22 19:43:02 A gui to adjust the cpu freq Mar 22 19:43:10 I like guis where possible =) Mar 22 19:43:22 Working on my homebrew custom build Sicelo =) Mar 22 19:44:01 kernel-power-settings will help, probably. Mar 22 19:44:09 Currently modifying the filesystem using some mount --rbind techniques. Hopefully cherry stays dead and the phone doesn't try to send outbound text messages when I'm through Mar 22 19:44:19 Okay, i'll incorporate that into the 2nd build of it Mar 22 19:44:32 i have never played with my cpu frequency, whether running maemo or any other alternative OS i have tried Mar 22 19:44:48 I don't use it, but since this is a pentest distro for the n900, it's nice to have Mar 22 19:44:57 For running metasploit for instance Mar 22 19:45:05 things like that, where a faster processor is in order Mar 22 19:45:38 I tried cssu last night, but sadly it broke a lot of my applications I had written Mar 22 19:45:44 So back to homebrew =/ Mar 22 19:45:51 As DocScrutinizer05 put it Mar 22 19:46:06 even though it appears you run the risk to reduce your CPU's life by some large margin.. (hotly debated issue, but seems it is at least 95% true) Mar 22 19:46:23 I just hope the Soft Access Point scripts don't die out like they did with kp51 Mar 22 19:46:40 The Soft Access Point would just die in 60 seconds.... Mar 22 19:48:23 did you check logs when that happened.. to find out what the real problem was? Mar 22 19:48:46 Nope, never did, not smart enough to truly trace it like that =/ Mar 22 19:49:03 I just know that kp46 was stable with injection mode and monitor mode and soft access pts Mar 22 19:49:31 kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb rather Mar 22 19:49:38 it think it's called kp46 Mar 22 19:49:40 I don't remember Mar 22 19:49:59 Alright, moment of truth......Powering down and inserting SIM card! Mar 22 19:50:39 Power on...... Mar 22 19:50:46 I really hope this works Mar 22 19:50:57 I can't move forward if the bastard is sending txt messages to egypt and romania ! Mar 22 19:51:55 That crap wracked up a $46 bill for me through t-mobile Mar 22 19:52:05 I thought I literally had been pwned by something Mar 22 19:52:19 And it tripped me out because of who I work for =) Mar 22 19:53:38 Looks good; moving to 2nd reboot Mar 22 19:53:53 So what do you use your n900 for Sicelo ? Mar 22 19:54:17 daily phone, and as my main 'pc' Mar 22 19:54:24 that's nuts Mar 22 19:54:33 I never could get used to it as a daily phone Mar 22 19:54:34 what? Mar 22 19:54:35 I did try Mar 22 19:55:01 doesn't give me any problem Mar 22 19:55:55 Alright, so the fix notmynokia works Mar 22 20:00:17 so you are still using maemo? Mar 22 20:03:32 CSSU doesn't "break apps" Mar 22 20:04:15 Well, it broke mine DocScrutinizer05 =/ Mar 22 20:04:25 it's not like it was a new distro or something, it's just a repo with bugfix updates Mar 22 20:04:27 Don't want to argue back and forth about it, there's always a workarounsd Mar 22 20:04:33