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Mar 23 03:03:23 <Snafu777> 'Twas a misconfigure application DocScrutinizer05 =)
Mar 23 03:10:16 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> Question for the saavy ones here:  If I move a folder, and create a symbolic link to it
Mar 23 03:10:17 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> then copy the folder where the symbolic link was to another location via cp -ar
Mar 23 03:10:17 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> Does that symbolic link still hold true in the copied folder?
Mar 23 03:10:17 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> mv /usr/share/nokia-maps /home/opt/rootfs_bind
Mar 23 03:10:17 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> ln -s /home/opt/rootfs_bind/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps
Mar 23 03:10:17 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> cp -ar /usr /home/rootfs_bind
Mar 23 03:10:19 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> mount --rbind /home/rootfs_bind/usr /usr
Mar 23 03:10:21 <Snafu777> <Snafu777> Much hugs to anyone who can help me =)
Mar 23 05:27:23 <wihc> I just installed Pali's Uboot on N900. The Menu already does have a boot from SD Option. How does the SD Layout have to look like for this to work? Do I have to put the kernel on a fat partition or can I have a single ext4 root partition?
Mar 23 05:44:37 <Maxdamantus> Mm .. he left.
Mar 23 05:45:46 <Maxdamantus> but the answer should've been: yes, you can have a single ext4 root partition.
Mar 23 09:41:58 <monoglets> can I have same tools as busybox native on maemo? what kind of tools it have ssh? iptables? can I compile packages as we do in linux? 
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Mar 23 10:07:56 <hxka> Uh, what? There is a full-featured port of busybox in busybox-power package, if that's what you're asking for
Mar 23 13:52:03 <fasttrack> hi all
Mar 23 13:52:53 <fasttrack> i have a question
Mar 23 13:53:04 <fasttrack> my el-v1.db is more then 10mb
Mar 23 13:53:13 <fasttrack> and i want to sort of flush it, 
Mar 23 13:53:31 <fasttrack> like reset it without disturbing other thing on my device
Mar 23 13:54:03 <fasttrack> basically remove all conversations from it
Mar 23 14:13:44 <Sicelo> fasttrack: simplest, most pain-free thing is delete the any converstation items (sms, chats), and call history
Mar 23 14:14:16 <Sicelo> from the respective applications
Mar 23 14:15:11 <fasttrack> Sicelo, the thing is the conversations items are SO many i can probably end up scrolling and marking delete these items for hours, very slow process
Mar 23 14:15:29 <fasttrack> I was thinking what if somehow manipulate this .db file and remove stuff
Mar 23 14:15:45 <merlin1991> fasttrack: there is a delete all option somewehre in the converesation menu
Mar 23 14:15:53 <Sicelo> yes
Mar 23 14:15:53 <fasttrack> checking
Mar 23 14:16:24 <Sicelo> choose Delete in menu, then hit Ctrl+A on keyboard
Mar 23 14:16:50 <fasttrack> no it says delete conversations, and then it presents you the whole conversation items, you keep on marking all of them then press delete which wud delete them
Mar 23 14:16:58 <fasttrack> oh ok
Mar 23 14:17:14 <fasttrack> thanks
Mar 23 14:17:19 <Sicelo> yw
Mar 23 14:17:27 <fasttrack> so this would also completely remove all skype convos also right
Mar 23 14:17:33 <Sicelo> yes
Mar 23 14:17:51 <Sicelo> everything which was received by Conversations application
Mar 23 14:17:58 <fasttrack> and the effect on the size of the el-v1.db should be immediate?
Mar 23 14:19:02 <Sicelo> likely :p 
Mar 23 14:38:32 <fasttrack> where are the contacts stored in n900
Mar 23 14:38:58 <fasttrack> there doesnt seem to be a one Table in the el-v1.db that has just the contacts info,
Mar 23 14:39:33 <fasttrack> there is Remotes table which has the info but its a log of something else, not just specifically for contacts
Mar 23 14:41:54 <Sicelo> why do you want to manipulate dbs directly?
Mar 23 14:42:54 <fasttrack> i'm trying to make a lil app where I can view all conversations on my laptop, by copying the el-v1.db on my pc, an app around that
Mar 23 14:43:26 <fasttrack> so I will click a contact and all the conversations will be shown, years of conversations
Mar 23 14:45:19 <Sicelo> i forgot actual file containing contacts.. but iirc it was encrypted
Mar 23 14:47:01 <fasttrack> oh
Mar 23 14:47:43 <Gatta_Negra> 
ACTION is away: Може да съм наоколо, но не разчитай!
Mar 23 14:48:08 <Sicelo> .osso-abook/db/addressbook.db
Mar 23 14:48:31 <fasttrack> thanks
Mar 23 14:51:21 <fasttrack> yup ecnrypted
Mar 23 14:51:37 <DocScrutinizer05> simply deleting el-v1,db (or rather, renaming it to something like *_backup) should also work afaik
Mar 23 14:51:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it will get re-created on next boot
Mar 23 14:52:02 <DocScrutinizer05> empty, of course
Mar 23 14:53:11 <Sicelo> i don't know sqlite enought to know how you can decrypt that address-book.db, but you can export it to vCard using `osso-addressbook-backup -e your_file`
Mar 23 14:53:24 <DocScrutinizer05> 10MB is huuuge, and will bring your device to a grinding halt, since it hogs RAM when the db engine is caching all that stuff
Mar 23 14:53:57 <fasttrack> its Berkeley-DB format stuff
Mar 23 14:54:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: adrrbook is berkley
Mar 23 14:54:05 <fasttrack> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59384
Mar 23 14:55:02 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60526
Mar 23 14:56:02 <Sicelo> cool ;_
Mar 23 14:56:25 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact2
Mar 23 14:57:24 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: ^^^ is cool
Mar 23 14:59:12 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact alternative
Mar 23 15:12:34 <Sicelo> nice scripts. i don't see how to search for a contact with wildcards
Mar 23 15:59:35 <Sicelo> ~cssu
Mar 23 15:59:36 <infobot> somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Mar 23 16:03:38 <Snafu777> DocScrutinizer05: I recommend you study the following
Mar 23 16:03:42 <Snafu777> ~xy
Mar 23 16:03:45 <infobot> methinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
Mar 23 16:03:46 <Snafu777> =)
Mar 23 16:12:57 <Sicelo> hmm
Mar 23 16:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf?
Mar 23 16:28:57 <DocScrutinizer05> is this snafu 12 years old?
Mar 23 18:41:53 <monoglets> is python native on maemo?
Mar 23 18:42:07 <hxka> What do you mean?
Mar 23 18:42:24 <monoglets> ig its part of the native packages
Mar 23 18:42:37 <monoglets> or you should do someting to install it
Mar 23 18:44:32 <hxka> No, it's not part of the "native" packages
Mar 23 18:45:04 <monoglets> wow thats great
Mar 23 18:47:34 <monoglets> and is there the same binaries as any linux distro?
Mar 23 18:57:44 <monoglets> hxka
Mar 23 18:58:51 <Sicelo> basically, yes
Mar 23 18:59:22 <Sicelo> maemo is obviouly not 100% with others (debian), but comes really close
Mar 23 19:00:47 <NIN101> many programs in the repo are quite dated by now though, not getting updates.
Mar 23 20:33:51 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing stops you to update them
Mar 23 20:38:19 <DocScrutinizer05> also see
Mar 23 20:38:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Mar 23 20:38:22 <infobot> [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Mar 23 20:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> and particularly http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829
Mar 23 21:02:05 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the main difference between maemo and debian (left aside the obvious customizations for embedded and phonecalls/realtime-audio) is the packaging. Fremantle is one large metapackage, and you shouldn't try *any* of the things you know from standard debian to update, like apt-get upgrade or - worse- dist-upgrade
Mar 23 21:03:44 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo is using upstart, and hildon-desktop
Mar 23 21:04:44 <DocScrutinizer05> many processes get preloaded, and "started" via dbus-message rather than commandline
Mar 23 21:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> but yes, when working on a remote ssh from your PC via WLAN to N900, you can forget what's this machine you're talking to, every now and then
Mar 23 21:07:11 <DocScrutinizer05> monoglets: maybe a good hint on how maemo feels:
Mar 23 21:07:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Mar 23 21:07:14 <infobot> i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Mar 24 00:12:04 <kwtm> Hi. When I use the Terminal on my N900 to ssh into my home server and use ncurses-based programs like mutt, something changes so that [Enter] doesn't work, just Ctrl-M.  ([Enter] produces something like Esc-o or something.
Mar 24 00:13:11 <kwtm> I thought it was a mutt/ssh/my server thing, but when I exited ssh, that same terminal session running shell/bash (natively on the N900) retained the setting that [Enter] did not produce 0x0d.  Is there some ANSI terminal sequence that causes this?  What do I do to reset it?
Mar 24 00:14:23 <nox-> kwtm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009#c27
Mar 24 00:14:24 <povbot> 04Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications
Mar 24 00:14:47 <kwtm> Thx, nox-, will read up on that.
Mar 24 00:15:13 <nox-> (its fixed in cssu i think)
Mar 24 00:16:08 <nox-> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009#c23 has a deb
Mar 24 00:16:09 <povbot> 04Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications
Mar 24 00:19:20 <kwtm> nox-: Is it fixed in cssu?  Maybe I should just upgrade, then.  I'm trying to keep one of my N900's non-CSSU just for easy reversion, but maybe it'll just be easier to use the one with CSSU.
Mar 24 00:21:03 <kwtm> Oh, wait, I can just do echo -e '\033>'  .  Okay, I think we're good. :)
Mar 24 00:24:07 <nox-> heh
Mar 24 00:24:29 <nox-> i think you can just dpkg -i that deb in the ticket also
Mar 24 01:24:10 <Snafu777> Hey DocScrutinizer05: What part of the optification suite actually causes optification?
Mar 24 01:24:14 <Snafu777> If you don't mind me asking
Mar 24 01:24:29 <Snafu777> I Also found the problematic .deb causing erroneous text messages to get sent out
Mar 24 01:24:33 <Snafu777> smscon =)
Mar 24 02:10:25 <Snafu777> ~busybox-power
Mar 24 02:10:33 <Snafu777> ~busybox
Mar 24 02:10:34 <infobot> [busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux.  It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc.  See http://www.busybox.net/.
Mar 24 02:11:35 <Snafu777> Anyone here familiar with busybox-power -vs- busybox-power-althiest
Mar 24 02:30:15 <monoglets> is maemo debian based?
Mar 24 02:34:17 <Maxdamantus> ~messybox
Mar 24 02:34:17 <infobot> messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Mar 24 02:36:05 <Maxdamantus> decent interactive shells let you write stuff like: array=("scale of dragon" "tooth of wolf" "witch's mummy" "maw and gulf of the ravined salt-sea shark"); for x in "${array[@]}"; do echo "$x"; done
Mar 24 02:36:44 <Maxdamantus> "${array[@]}", "${array[1]}", "${array[@]:1}" .. funny bash
Mar 24 02:39:53 <Snafu777> Hah
Mar 24 02:39:54 <Snafu777> =)
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