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Apr 11 06:22:15 <Apic> DocScrutinizer05: ic, thank You!
Apr 11 06:22:29 <Apic> What Image do i need to flash when i want to keep the 32GB eMMC?
Apr 11 06:22:36 <Apic> Only wanna restore Root FS
Apr 11 06:30:47 <Apic> RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks as bad as RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, because Combined sounds like multiple Images?
Apr 11 06:31:00 <Apic> Maybe i can find a matching Option in flasher.
Apr 11 06:31:24 <Apic> I do not even need to flash Kernel…
Apr 11 06:31:33 <Apic> But i dunno if the Multiboot U-Boot will still work
Apr 11 06:31:39 <Apic> So i probably better flash Kernel too…
Apr 11 06:32:05 <Apic> I hope somebody knowledgeful will awake soon. ;-)
Apr 11 07:30:29 <Maxdamantus> Apic: I think you can do it with --flash-only=rootfs
Apr 11 07:30:33 <Maxdamantus> Apic: but don't take my word for it.
Apr 11 07:32:19 <Apic> I'm actually still charging
Apr 11 07:32:28 <Apic> Yesterday charging w/ the corrupt Device did not work.
Apr 11 07:32:49 <Apic> I will go for Breakfast now, hope DocScrutinizer05 or someone else cognisant will appear.  ^.^
Apr 11 08:12:20 <bencoh> combined is written to nand afaik
Apr 11 08:12:34 <bencoh> vanilla_emmc is written to ... emmc :)
Apr 11 08:18:01 <Apic> Ok, now i'll try --flash-only=rootfs
Apr 11 08:18:02 <Apic> Wish me Luck!
Apr 11 08:19:43 <Apic> …
Apr 11 08:20:11 <Apic> !flasher
Apr 11 08:20:14 <Apic> ~flasher
Apr 11 08:20:17 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Apr 11 08:21:14 <Apic> http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH is gone
Apr 11 08:25:26 <Apic> Sending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB)...
Apr 11 08:25:27 <Apic>  64% (119552 of 185728 kB, 14944 kB/s)
Apr 11 08:25:36 <Apic> 100% (185728 of 185728 kB, avg. 15137 kB/s)
Apr 11 08:25:36 <Apic> Finishing flashing... done
Apr 11 08:26:38 <Apic> Now it shows 2   NOKIA   .
Apr 11 08:26:54 <Apic> Shall i send a REBOOT Command via flasher?
Apr 11 08:28:51 <Apic> I just disconnected the USB
Apr 11 08:29:01 <Apic> Now it showed a dim Kernel Boot, then a white Light
Apr 11 08:29:14 <Apic> Now i push the Power Button
Apr 11 08:29:19 <Apic> U-Boot Menu still there!
Apr 11 08:29:25 <Apic> I try to boot Kernel-Power
Apr 11 08:29:46 <Apic> Now it seems it went off…
Apr 11 08:30:19 <Apic> I'll try the ordinary Kernel
Apr 11 08:31:09 <Apic> It shows the 5 bubbling Dots
Apr 11 08:31:15 <Apic> *throb*
Apr 11 08:31:29 <Apic> Still… hm…
Apr 11 08:31:35 <Apic> Hangs?
Apr 11 08:31:54 <Apic> Darn, seems to hang.
Apr 11 08:32:10 <Apic> Anyone got an Idea?
Apr 11 08:32:12 <Apic> Ah
Apr 11 08:32:12 <Apic> now
Apr 11 08:32:13 <Apic> !
Apr 11 08:32:13 <Apic> Yeah
Apr 11 08:32:17 <Apic> ”Enter lock code"
Apr 11 08:32:31 <Apic> Just my D-Theme Green is gone - obviously
Apr 11 08:32:42 <Apic> And the Holdings-Hands-Video that i disabled shows ;-)
Apr 11 08:32:42 <Apic> o/
Apr 11 08:32:54 <Apic> Epic Success!
Apr 11 08:38:38 <Apic> Now restored Backup, it launches Program Manager to reinstall the Stuff!  \o/
Apr 11 09:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing
Apr 11 09:46:29 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 11 09:47:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH works fine here
Apr 11 09:50:59 <Apic> Yah, worked
Apr 11 09:52:03 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware has a fine mini-tutorial not only how to flash but also what gets flashed and what this means
Apr 11 09:54:16 <Apic> k
Apr 11 09:54:27 <Apic> Now i want to install a fresh Debian Chroot
Apr 11 09:54:40 <Apic> Do You have Experience regarding that?
Apr 11 09:54:59 <Apic> I need an ext2 to make debootstrap work right from the Start probably…
Apr 11 09:55:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard you best install that to a ext* fs
Apr 11 09:56:02 <DocScrutinizer05> most easy to create on a uSD card
Apr 11 09:56:55 <DocScrutinizer05> others loopmount a huge file on VFAT as a ext* fs
Apr 11 09:57:35 <DocScrutinizer05> most I think create their chroot on /home/
Apr 11 09:57:42 <Apic> ic
Apr 11 09:57:55 <DocScrutinizer05> home/ has 2GB size
Apr 11 09:57:58 <Apic> Ok
Apr 11 09:58:13 <DocScrutinizer05> and is ext
Apr 11 09:58:27 <Apic> So i'll make a Stage 1 with ~1G and then from there create the eMMC-ext3-Image
Apr 11 09:58:32 <Apic> Ok
Apr 11 09:58:43 <Apic> Probably even 256MB will suffice for Stage 1
Apr 11 10:01:29 <Apic> How can i ssh via USB Connection (do not want to WLAN because of http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140320100824.htm)…
Apr 11 10:02:09 <Apic> I activated /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and gave ip 192.167.42.23 to my Phone and .42 to my Base Laptop, but cannot Ping…
Apr 11 10:02:17 <Apic> s/167/168/
Apr 11 10:02:20 <Apic> Hi valerius 
Apr 11 10:02:20 <infobot> Apic meant: I activated /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and gave ip 192.168.42.23 to my Phone and .42 to my Base Laptop, but cannot Ping…
Apr 11 10:02:57 <Apic> s/ip/IP/
Apr 11 10:03:19 <valerius> Apic hi
Apr 11 10:03:22 <Apic> lulz, infobot does not support multiple Regex-Replaces ;-)
Apr 11 10:07:03 <Apic> Anyone?
Apr 11 10:07:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~usb-networking
Apr 11 10:07:44 <infobot> it has been said that usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, or  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking
Apr 11 10:08:28 <Apic> Thanks!
Apr 11 10:09:21 <Apic> So the Route on the Host was missing
Apr 11 10:10:24 <Apic> 192.168.42.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
Apr 11 10:10:24 <Apic> 192.168.42.23   *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 usb0
Apr 11 10:10:30 <Apic> But still does not ping.  ;-(
Apr 11 10:27:03 <Apic> Any Idea?
Apr 11 10:40:31 <bencoh> you dont need the last route
Apr 11 10:40:43 <bencoh> 192.168.42.0/24 is enough for that
Apr 11 10:41:38 <bencoh> and ... what do you want to achieve exactly ? (this is plain linux networking by the way, you should give a try at LARTC manual)
Apr 11 10:41:43 <Apic> I want to SSH
Apr 11 10:41:50 <Apic> So i can use my big Console
Apr 11 10:41:55 <Apic> Instead of the Mouse Keyboard
Apr 11 10:42:18 <Apic> [3/5.0.5]root@ammonit:/home/apic# route del 192.168.42.23
Apr 11 10:42:18 <Apic> [3/5.0.5]root@ammonit:/home/apic# route
Apr 11 10:42:18 <Apic> Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
Apr 11 10:42:18 <Apic> Ziel            Router          Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
Apr 11 10:42:18 <Apic> default         fritz.box       0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
Apr 11 10:42:20 <Apic> 192.168.42.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
Apr 11 10:42:28 <Apic> And now? Of course still cannot PING
Apr 11 10:42:47 <Apic> Maybe it's an iptables Problem
Apr 11 10:43:26 <bencoh> might be ... tcpdump on both ends
Apr 11 10:44:32 <Apic> I'll go out for Lunch now… i'll try that thereafter, thank You!
Apr 11 10:47:10 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, make sure your firewall keeps out of usb0 interface
Apr 11 10:48:40 <DocScrutinizer05> also make sure that no networkmanager or whatever thinks the N900 is a new NIC for accessing internet. A common problem that often can get solved only by stopping networkmanager
Apr 11 10:50:33 <bencoh> and removing this pile of shi^Uwoops
Apr 11 10:50:46 <bencoh> (friday isn't it ?)
Apr 11 10:51:01 <DocScrutinizer05> the usual problem with stuff trying to act smart
Apr 11 10:51:13 <bencoh> :)
Apr 11 10:51:24 <DocScrutinizer05> kinda like windows
Apr 11 10:51:28 <bencoh> kinda
Apr 11 10:52:17 <Apic> TGIF
Apr 11 10:52:20 <Apic> And now _really_ off
Apr 11 10:52:21 <Apic> Thanks ;-)
Apr 11 10:52:22 * Apic &
Apr 11 10:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> "this car is equipped with fully automatic intelligent autopilot. Whenever you enter the car between 8:00 and 9:00 AM, it immediately drives you to your office, no matter what"
Apr 11 10:54:49 <DocScrutinizer05> alas you need a hammer and a wrench to unmount the autopilot when you want to drive to any other destination
Apr 11 10:57:55 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if Apic has an executable file /me on his PC ;-)
Apr 11 11:20:45 <Apic> zsh: datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden: /me
Apr 11 11:21:02 <Apic> Re./
Apr 11 11:21:03 <Apic> -/
Apr 11 12:06:59 <Maxdamantus> Apic: fwiw, ssh provides security on its own.
Apr 11 12:07:11 <Maxdamantus> Apic: it's designed to work across insecure transports.
Apr 11 12:07:34 <Apic> True.
Apr 11 12:07:46 <Apic> So i'll use WLAN anyhow
Apr 11 12:07:56 <Apic> But now i'll go to teh Piano Lessons
Apr 11 12:07:57 <Apic> cul8r
Apr 11 12:13:56 <Maxdamantus> Apic: but if you were trying to connect to it from a computer other than the one it was connected to by USB, you'd need to have the computer it's connected to as a route to the phone's subnet.
Apr 11 12:14:20 <Maxdamantus> and for the computer it's connected to to be the default gateway for the phone.
Apr 11 12:14:35 <Maxdamantus> or, instead of the first thing, NAT.
Apr 11 12:14:44 <Maxdamantus> (on the computer it's connected to)
Apr 11 13:15:06 <Apic> Ok.
Apr 11 13:21:47 <DocScrutinizer05> not for WLAN
Apr 11 13:22:04 <DocScrutinizer05> over an AP, with DHCP and all
Apr 11 13:24:20 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 signs in to WLAN, receives e.g. 192.168.1.55 from WLAN's DHCP. Then on any computer in same (W)LAN, you simply do `ssh root@192.168.1.55` and enter the root password you enetered while installing openssh on N900. Done
Apr 11 13:36:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Maxdamantus: but yes, trying to access a N900 connected to PC-A via USB from PC-B which may or may not be in same LAN like PC-A is a quite ambitious plan
Apr 11 13:38:05 <Maxdamantus> Indeed.
Apr 11 13:38:33 <Maxdamantus> IPv6 has standard mechanisms for doing all that stuff automatically though.
Apr 11 13:38:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think that's what Apic tried to do
Apr 11 13:39:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd not worry about WPA2 vulnerabilities yet
Apr 11 13:39:34 <Maxdamantus> I think he had the N900 plugged into one computer and was trying to connect to it from another one.
Apr 11 13:39:44 <DocScrutinizer05> really?
Apr 11 13:39:59 <DocScrutinizer05> that would explain his difficulties
Apr 11 13:40:02 <Maxdamantus> otherwise he wouldn't've needed to enable forwarding.
Apr 11 13:41:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch, right, he mentions forwarding
Apr 11 13:42:05 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe he did despite not needing it?
Apr 11 13:42:29 <Maxdamantus> Maybe.
Apr 11 13:42:32 <DocScrutinizer05> it's mentioned somewhere in "share PC's internet to N900 via USB" wiki
Apr 11 13:43:10 <DocScrutinizer05> for a simple ssh session from PC to USB-attached N900 it's not needed though
Apr 11 13:44:08 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, for that you probbaly should use NAT to get the USB-device into primary network class IP range
Apr 11 13:50:21 <Maxdamantus> eh, dunno if my last messages went through .. not really important.
Apr 11 13:50:28 <Maxdamantus> 01:47:53 < Maxdamantus> if you just have a rule to do NAT across something like 192.168.0.0/16 internally, you can just use /24 subnets in there for various purposes and only have to worry about routing, not NAT.
Apr 11 13:51:50 <Maxdamantus> NAT is harder than routing.
Apr 11 13:53:53 * DocScrutinizer05 heads out to dead beef cafe to get some steak
Apr 11 13:55:48 * DocScrutinizer05 also wonders whether to eventually try and switch to IPv6 in LAN and WAN
Apr 11 13:56:01 <Apic> Humkay..
Apr 11 13:56:38 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: you checked my session protocol?
Apr 11 13:56:47 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking
Apr 11 13:57:17 <Apic> Only glanced through, i'm in a Hurry atm ;-)
Apr 11 15:48:14 <Ashley`> how is called that button in the upper left corner of maemo's hoemscreen (and in non-fullscreen apps)?
Apr 11 15:48:31 <Ashley`> and, can i simulate click on it from python?
Apr 11 15:48:46 <Ashley`> i'm writing a full screen app :P
Apr 11 16:53:24 <sixwheeledbeast> Ashley`: maybe see how cutetube-QML implemented this.
Apr 11 16:53:36 <sixwheeledbeast> hildon components maybe
Apr 11 19:19:03 <Apic> W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
Apr 11 19:19:07 <Apic> How again do i fix this?
Apr 11 20:06:47 <Sicelo> Apic: i ignore it :p
Apr 11 23:05:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: "W:" means Warning
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