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Apr 25 10:03:01 <Sicelo> finally caught me.. my N900 USB is loose
Apr 25 10:03:43 <Sicelo> but after daily use, charging, since July 2011, i guess it was just about time, haha
Apr 25 10:04:58 <Sicelo> ~usb-fix
Apr 25 10:04:58 <infobot> i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons
Apr 25 11:05:25 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: any particular mistreatment?
Apr 25 11:09:07 <zGrr> moin :)
Apr 25 12:07:19 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N9-64GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/261172966959 still US$370
Apr 25 12:08:10 <Apic> 'the Fuck?
Apr 25 12:18:45 <zGrr> hehe
Apr 25 12:21:50 <DocScrutinizer05> too expensive to rip out the SoC for Neo900 ;-)
Apr 25 12:23:35 <zGrr> Will the Neo900 run on the same SoC?
Apr 25 12:45:42 <DocScrutinizer05> well, almost
Apr 25 12:47:23 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly we can't find the unobtainium 1GB RAM + NAND PoP chip on top of the 3730 SoC. Nokia got a custom build for that chip, it's non-existent on the "free market"
Apr 25 12:48:18 <Apic> B-*
Apr 25 12:48:20 <Apic> B-( even
Apr 25 12:50:44 <DocScrutinizer05> but on the bright side, we hope to use a 1GB RAM only PoP chip, and place the NAND we need on a discrete chip
Apr 25 12:50:59 <Apic> Ok
Apr 25 15:28:22 <wizbit> my god, this is so cool
Apr 25 15:28:32 <wizbit> just got back home, and i can automatically ssh into my phone
Apr 25 15:28:53 <ZogG_laptop> did you rediscover america?
Apr 25 15:28:58 <wizbit> im in UK
Apr 25 15:29:30 <wizbit> i can now wget or sftp new music and video to the phone without even touching it
Apr 25 15:29:48 <wizbit> this is beyond cool
Apr 25 15:29:49 <r00t^home> been doing that ever since... miss it with android
Apr 25 15:30:35 <wizbit> the n900 plays music and video flawless
Apr 25 15:30:38 <r00t^home> i don't even need to know where my phone is to put stuff on it
Apr 25 15:30:45 <wizbit> yes exactly
Apr 25 15:31:04 <wizbit> im glad i didnt take the iphone / android path
Apr 25 15:31:51 <wizbit> is there a way to send a sms from the terminal so i didnt even have to touch the phone?
Apr 25 15:32:00 <wizbit> *dont
Apr 25 15:33:57 <r00t^home> google says http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle#Send_SMS
Apr 25 15:34:39 <r00t^home> also: put xvncserver on the phone and control the gui remotely
Apr 25 15:34:52 <wizbit> oh yes
Apr 25 15:35:39 <r00t^home> apt-get install x11vnc
Apr 25 15:35:56 <wizbit> r00t^home: should i use HAM to install it?
Apr 25 15:37:07 <r00t^home> wizbit: ham is slow useless bloatcrap, i never use it... people say you should use it for system updates... i "bricked" my phone once when installing a libc(?) update with apt
Apr 25 15:38:02 <r00t^home> what's really scary about using vnc from/to the phone is seeing the resolution compared to my (2x) 1280x1024 desktop
Apr 25 15:39:08 <wizbit> does touchscreen work with vnc?
Apr 25 15:39:24 <r00t^home> on which direction?
Apr 25 15:40:05 <wizbit> on the computer 
Apr 25 15:40:43 <r00t^home> you just click instead... touchscreen in X is no magic, just a pointing device with the cursor hidden by default... and no multitouch anyway
Apr 25 15:41:12 <r00t^home> (note: vnc onto n900 needs some fix for not being able to turn off the screensaver by moving the mouse)
Apr 25 16:24:16 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: no mistreatment really
Apr 25 16:25:05 <Sicelo> the signs that i was getting to this were that the device would stop charging unless the cable was secured in a certain way
Apr 25 16:26:09 <Sicelo> what i really can't understand is - usb cable & charging via cable worked flawlessly all the time
Apr 25 16:26:45 <Sicelo> and data transfer always worked fine
Apr 25 16:29:52 <Sicelo> by the way, even now after soldering it down, charger is not even detected, but usb cable works fine, and it charges via this
Apr 25 16:29:57 <Sicelo> any idea now?
Apr 25 17:04:59 <erlehmann> Sicelo isn't it that chargers notify device via shorting data pins?
Apr 25 17:05:05 <erlehmann> (i have no idea how it is with n900)
Apr 25 17:11:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: check your plugs
Apr 25 17:13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: there are a few test from sw side you can do
Apr 25 17:14:07 <srimalik> hello
Apr 25 17:14:18 <srimalik> I broke my ribbon connector of N900, recently got a new one from ebay and replaced it myself
Apr 25 17:14:28 <srimalik> But, after the replacement my touch screen is not behaving, the touches are offseted to the left
Apr 25 17:14:34 <srimalik> so I can not open the main menu on the top-left corner using the UI
Apr 25 17:14:41 <srimalik>  is there is way to launch settings/screen calibration tool using the command line
Apr 25 17:14:46 <srimalik> I have root access
Apr 25 17:15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> nice problem
Apr 25 17:16:54 <DocScrutinizer05> first of all, why do you see that offset now? changing the flat ribbon connector aka main flex shouldn't introduce much of a digitizer decalibration
Apr 25 17:17:50 <srimalik> DocScrutinizer, I am not sure, maybe the new cable is bad or I did not fix it nicely
Apr 25 17:18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> check all the plugs if they are seated properly
Apr 25 17:18:33 <srimalik> I am hoping to bring the device to a usable state by using the calibration tool.
Apr 25 17:19:35 <DocScrutinizer05> odds are your digitizer isn't plugged in properly and thus you most likely will not be able to calibrate screen
Apr 25 17:19:42 <srimalik> The first time I fixed the cable the screen was flickring..I reopened and rechecked and made sure that all joins are ok..after which the screen was ok but I saw this touch offset issue
Apr 25 17:19:53 <wizbit> anybody know where you put in MMS settings on a n900?
Apr 25 17:19:57 <srimalik> I will try again tomorrow
Apr 25 17:20:22 <DocScrutinizer05> wizbit: you need fmms app for that
Apr 25 17:20:27 <wizbit> ace :D
Apr 25 17:20:32 <srimalik> DocScrutinizer, thanks for the suggestion
Apr 25 17:20:56 <DocScrutinizer05> srimalik: yw. stay tuned! a few more sugestions will follow
Apr 25 17:21:35 <srimalik> I will check the logs tomorrow, Its almost 11pm here
Apr 25 17:21:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger
Apr 25 17:21:48 <srimalik> I will post my updates here tomorrow
Apr 25 17:22:25 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: vbus is 5V on VBUS, charger is D+/- short detected
Apr 25 17:27:40 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, he left
Apr 25 17:28:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no chance to talk him out of ruining his calib via /usr/bin/tscalibrate
Apr 25 17:28:57 <DocScrutinizer05> invoking it via settings gave "/usr/bin/tscalibrate cpanel 67108886"
Apr 25 17:29:48 <DocScrutinizer05> cpanel might mean "invoked from controlpanel aka settings", nfc about the numeric parameter
Apr 25 17:31:20 <DocScrutinizer05> at least the parameter is constant for consecutive calls
Apr 25 17:34:21 <wizbit> installed Yappari :D
Apr 25 17:34:36 <wizbit> there was me thinking there wouldnt be many apps available for N900
Apr 25 17:38:03 <freemangordon> hmm, which reminds me...
Apr 25 17:38:03 <wizbit> i bet shazam doesnt work on a maemo
Apr 25 17:38:18 <freemangordon> I should check what's wrong with extras promotion
Apr 25 17:38:40 <freemangordon> wizbit: www.midomi.com
Apr 25 17:38:43 <freemangordon> ;)
Apr 25 17:38:47 <wizbit> my god
Apr 25 17:39:04 * wizbit falls off chair
Apr 25 17:39:58 <freemangordon> wizbit: there is flash 10 floating over the inet, if you need it
Apr 25 17:41:11 <wizbit> freemangordon: is midomi in extras?
Apr 25 17:41:22 <freemangordon> wizbit: this is a site
Apr 25 17:41:30 <freemangordon> just open it with microb
Apr 25 17:41:33 <wizbit> ohhh
Apr 25 17:41:59 <wizbit> right i get you now, you need flash for it to work
Apr 25 17:42:13 <freemangordon> you have flash already pre-installed
Apr 25 17:42:19 <wizbit> excellent
Apr 25 17:42:21 <freemangordon> but it is flash 9
Apr 25 17:42:44 <freemangordon> but you can get the .deb and upgrade to flash 10 if you need/want
Apr 25 17:50:01 <wizbit> if i receive a yappari video from a iphone, i can download the video, but when i press play it says 'media not supported'
Apr 25 17:50:22 <wizbit> it doesnt matter anyhow!
Apr 25 17:54:57 <freemangordon> wizbit: I guess it is some weird apple quicktime format
Apr 25 19:13:54 <ShadowJK> or very high res
Apr 25 19:28:19 <Sicelo> erlehmann: this is the original N900 charger, and i've confirmed the  short is there
Apr 25 19:34:18 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: the VBUS test gives 0 with the charger connected (does not even appear in dmesg/syslog)
Apr 25 19:40:16 <Sicelo> and the charger node shows 1 (but 0 if i use the nokia adapter for 'barrel-type' chargers)
Apr 25 20:21:28 <hxka_> Sicelo: I have similar problem
Apr 25 20:22:36 <hxka_> Stock USB cable works flawlessly, but stock charger only if I tug the cable a bit in a certain direction
Apr 25 20:23:44 <hxka> My guess is that the problem is not in connection of USB socket to the pcb, but in the socket itself
Apr 25 20:27:00 <Sicelo> the big question would be.. what - because if you are able to use the USB cable for data transfers properly, it suggests that at least contact with D+/- pins is good, 
Apr 25 20:27:20 <Sicelo> and obviously the power pins too
Apr 25 20:40:25 <hxka> Probably some wearing, so the micro-defferences between different plugs suddelly started to matter
Apr 25 21:54:29 <DocScrutinizer05> what I suggested: check your plugs
Apr 25 23:35:08 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody with an idea about dpkg, apt-get, and HAM. Could you please have a look at http://privatepaste.com/8531db652f and tell me why it throws error?
Apr 25 23:35:27 <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind! could somebody PLEASE NUKE SHITTYBOX?!
Apr 25 23:36:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ $ ls -l /usr/sbin/docpurge
Apr 25 23:36:06 <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            9 Jan 30 06:40 /usr/sbin/docpurge -> /bin/true
Apr 25 23:36:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ $ ls -l /bin/true
Apr 25 23:36:09 <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            7 Sep 11  2012 /bin/true -> busybox
Apr 25 23:36:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ $ /usr/sbin/docpurge
Apr 25 23:36:12 <DocScrutinizer05> docpurge: applet not found
Apr 25 23:36:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ $
Apr 25 23:36:14 <infobot> i heard $ is a dollar sign
Apr 25 23:36:25 <DocScrutinizer05> grrrrr!
Apr 25 23:41:25 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, busybox is the worst broken piece of crap I seen since I quit with windows 
Apr 25 23:41:29 <xes> applet not found == hello there! i'm busybox and i'm makng a fool out of you... ;)
Apr 25 23:43:04 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: exactly
Apr 25 23:43:42 <Maxdamantus> Wonder if it'd be better not to make all of them symlinks.
Apr 25 23:44:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I CBA to even check POSIX if a symlink should work like the target it links to. I'm sure that's an inevitable BUG in crappybox
Apr 25 23:44:19 <Maxdamantus> It should work like that.
Apr 25 23:44:30 <Maxdamantus> The problem is that busybox switches on argv[0]
Apr 25 23:44:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, I know
Apr 25 23:45:08 <Maxdamantus> if you run the program as `/usr/sbin/docpurge`, argv[0] is going to be /usr/sbin/docpurge
Apr 25 23:45:11 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I say "inevitable"
Apr 25 23:46:35 <Maxdamantus> it's only inevitable because it's using symlinks.
Apr 25 23:46:50 <Maxdamantus> it could instead use scripts of the form:
Apr 25 23:46:56 <Maxdamantus> #!/bin/sh
Apr 25 23:47:04 <Maxdamantus> exec busybox true "$@"
Apr 25 23:47:34 <Maxdamantus> except for sh, which will use #!/bin/busybox sh
Apr 25 23:56:25 <xes> to describe busybox, you could read the git changelog: http://git.busybox.net/busybox/log/  ...Considering that it should manage system tasks, it's pure fear. 
Apr 26 00:23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Maxdamantus: axtually thanks for the script blueprint, I've been considering sth like this to "fix" this can of bullshit to work with my other fix for docpurge
Apr 26 00:24:45 <DocScrutinizer05> but actually it seems I'm prolly better off (and smarter) by just deleting /usr/sbin/docpurge all together
Apr 26 00:25:17 <DocScrutinizer05> or replace it with a 0-liner 0-byte file with +x
Apr 26 00:27:20 <DocScrutinizer05> worst case witj a 1-liner: #!/bin/sh
Apr 26 00:28:54 <DocScrutinizer05> 	libbb/obscure.c  ??? WTF?
Apr 26 00:32:39 <DocScrutinizer05> fix a thinko - HAHA
Apr 26 00:33:06 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: incredible!
Apr 26 00:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> 	shuf: improve help text	shuf: trim help text --- cooool
Apr 26 00:37:04 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: would you assign important tasks to an embedded device running busybox? ;)
Apr 26 00:37:19 <DocScrutinizer05> s/fear/horror and loathing/
Apr 26 00:37:36 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I definitely shouldn't
Apr 26 00:39:27 <Maxdamantus> Hm. Can the menu thing that pops up as you plug in USB be disabled easily?
Apr 26 00:47:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I think yes, it can
Apr 26 00:48:40 <DocScrutinizer05> in HARM there's something to select "always just charge", or "always PC-Suite" in settings. I think sth similar exists for fremantle
Apr 26 00:48:54 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe as package in extras(-*)
Apr 26 01:02:31 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: alas busybox seems to be on all routers I use
Apr 26 01:03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just happy that it usually doesn't do much after booting up the router gear
Apr 26 01:08:04 <xes> for sure it gives a minimalist environment... but any script could give unpredictable surprises since anyone uses as reference the standard gnu commands syntax and NOT the busybox limited functions 
Apr 26 01:13:47 <Maxdamantus> Hm. Is the image verification in the maemo talk search broken?
Apr 26 01:14:12 <Maxdamantus> Ah, nvm.
Apr 26 01:14:34 <Maxdamantus> might've been because I had the IP address as the host.
Apr 26 01:14:50 * Maxdamantus wonders why those addresses turn up in Google.
Apr 26 01:24:31 <xes> Maxdamantus: search works also pointing at the IP address
Apr 26 01:31:30 <Maxdamantus> xes: the captcha does?
Apr 26 01:31:58 <Maxdamantus> Dunno if the captcha appears when logged in.
Apr 26 01:35:50 <Maxdamantus> Hm. What is actually different in maemo's x11 input system?
Apr 26 01:36:06 <Maxdamantus> ie, why doesn't xev work?
Apr 26 01:36:14 <Maxdamantus> or, probably related, mupdf.
Apr 26 01:37:54 <Maxdamantus> Hmm .. http://qwerty12.qole.org/xev.diff
Apr 26 01:49:08 <Maxdamantus> Cool, applied the same thing to mupdf and that works now.
Apr 26 02:30:25 <DocScrutinizer05> Maxdamantus: please update the repos!
Apr 26 02:31:09 <Maxdamantus> Hm. mupdf is in the repos?
Apr 26 02:31:23 <Maxdamantus> Doesn't seem to be.
Apr 26 02:31:35 <Maxdamantus> Might be worth adding, dunno.
Apr 26 02:31:45 <bef0rd> I think I saw it there
Apr 26 02:32:05 <bef0rd> oh no
Apr 26 02:32:05 <bef0rd> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86538
Apr 26 02:32:08 <Maxdamantus> It's in the debian repo.
Apr 26 02:32:10 <bef0rd> it's something based on mupdf
Apr 26 02:33:38 <Maxdamantus> that UI looks crazy.
Apr 26 02:35:07 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly not, I don't even know what it is
Apr 26 02:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> however xev is in x11-utils
Apr 26 02:35:29 <DocScrutinizer05> 7.4+2-1maemo3 0
Apr 26 02:35:38 <Maxdamantus> It's basically a PDF viewer without any buttons.
Apr 26 02:36:16 <Maxdamantus> and importantly, it doesn't try to load the entire PDF at once, which is what I suspect the default one does.
Apr 26 02:37:08 <DocScrutinizer05> which xev you used?
Apr 26 02:38:51 <Maxdamantus> Probably the xev on Gentoo x86_64
Apr 26 02:41:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Filename: pool/maemo5.0/free/x/x11-utils/x11-utils_7.4+2-1maemo3_armel.deb
Apr 26 02:44:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, enable-catalogs definitely needs a tiny bit more love
Apr 26 02:44:08 <Maxdamantus> ii  x11-utils                                           7.4+2-1maemo3                      X11 utilities
Apr 26 02:44:17 <Maxdamantus> This one doesn't seem to work either.
Apr 26 02:44:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :-/
Apr 26 02:44:28 <Maxdamantus> "work" as in respond to key events.
Apr 26 02:44:37 <Maxdamantus> it shows pointer events fine.
Apr 26 02:44:45 <DocScrutinizer05> so could you fix it?
Apr 26 02:44:49 <Maxdamantus> Same behaviour as mupdf without those extra hints.
Apr 26 02:44:51 <Maxdamantus> Ah.
Apr 26 02:45:35 <Maxdamantus> Maybe if I can figure out how to properly build and submit packages.
Apr 26 02:45:51 <Maxdamantus> Probably also worth adding mupdf if I do.
Apr 26 02:46:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide
Apr 26 02:46:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
Apr 26 02:46:58 <infobot> [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Apr 26 02:48:28 <DocScrutinizer05> a shame nokia didn't fix that stuff in tools repo
Apr 26 02:53:52 <DocScrutinizer05> actually there are 2:  Filename: pool/fremantle/free/x/x11-utils/x11-utils_7.4+2-1maemo3_armel.deb     and    Filename: pool/maemo5.0/free/x/x11-utils/x11-utils_7.4+2-1maemo3_armel.deb. Prolly extras-devel and tools repo
Apr 26 02:54:44 <DocScrutinizer05> it's so DAMN useful that apt doesn't show the repo URL
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