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May 11 08:51:17 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
May 11 12:06:18 <vdv> hi
May 11 12:06:34 <vdv> is there any time tracking app for maemo?
May 11 14:44:18 <Ashley`> https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/602f88552b64 N9 :D
May 11 15:15:28 <VaticanCameos> Does this channel cater to questions on the N900 as well?
May 11 15:18:15 <VaticanCameos> Well I'll fire anyway. I have this weird bug where I'm not able to turn off Bluetooth. However, my phone is picked up by Bluetooth searches on other phones - meaning that bluetooth is always on but not showing on the status bar, thus constantly eating battery and yet inaccessible. I figured that something is messed up with the bluetooth kernel thread and if I managed to stop it, I would get things back on track. Stopping kernel threads isn't just a 'kill
May 11 15:18:16 <VaticanCameos>  -9' job though.
May 11 15:38:39 <ShadowJK> hciconfig hci0 down
May 11 16:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash
May 11 16:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05> did you check settings?
May 11 16:09:11 <DocScrutinizer05> in settings there's a BT entry too
May 11 16:09:22 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
May 11 16:10:12 <DocScrutinizer05> not showing on status bar... hmm
May 11 16:18:57 <DocScrutinizer05> related: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251
May 11 17:31:28 <VaticanCameos> ShadowJK: Thanks for that, but I'm still not able to turn on/off Bluetooth from the status panel.
May 11 17:31:46 <VaticanCameos> It just doesn't appear there.
May 11 17:36:30 <DocScrutinizer05> VaticanCameos: see chanlog
May 11 17:37:12 <DocScrutinizer05> /topic
May 11 17:38:39 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: You mean changelog?
May 11 17:38:44 <VaticanCameos> o.O
May 11 17:41:33 <VaticanCameos> I'm sorry for being so nooby but what exactly am I supposed to look for in the changelog?
May 11 17:50:21 <DocScrutinizer51> channel log
May 11 17:54:20 <DocScrutinizer05> https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-05-11.log.html#t2014-05-11T19:07:17 ff
May 11 18:19:58 <VaticanCameos> Hey DocScrutinizer05, thanks for the heads up. I'm going through that thread whose link you posted right now but my problem is a bit different. The bluetooth status symbol used to show earlier but now it doesn't, when I try to activate it from the status panel. 
May 11 18:20:53 <VaticanCameos> Everytime I try to configure my Bluetooth settings there, it always starts with an empty Name field, and when I save with Bluetooth On, it never appears in the panel. When I go to those settings again, it's blank as before.
May 11 18:21:03 <VaticanCameos> I guess a flash is in order then. I don't see any other way.
May 11 18:36:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, a reflash most likely is the fastest and easiest fix to the issue, unless it's a hw defect (unlikely)
May 11 18:37:10 <DocScrutinizer05> you could enable syslog and see if something blows chunks
May 11 18:37:35 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds to me like storing settings to gconf is somehow failing
May 11 18:40:01 <DocScrutinizer05> but of course when the BT configuration&management gear aborts on any other error before it even gets to storing the settings to gconf would result in a similar effect
May 11 18:41:13 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: Among other things, phone reboot did nothing either
May 11 18:41:39 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui BT works but the icon doesn't show, right?
May 11 18:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> does the button in status menu show up?
May 11 18:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> the one showing BT icon and writing "Bluetooth" and a blue "on" or "off" ?
May 11 18:43:43 <VaticanCameos> The button is present in status menu. It takes me to the BT settings but those are always fresh - no entry in name field even if I save one. I cannot know whether BT is on or off, trying to change it from there has no effect.
May 11 18:44:01 <VaticanCameos> It's always Off.
May 11 18:44:02 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui it must show, since you say you can open the config dialog with name field
May 11 18:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> name field not showing anything is quite strange
May 11 18:49:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you could try clicking "devices" button in bt config, then click "new" on list of configured devices. This is supposed to enable BT and search for visible peer devices on the air
May 11 18:49:50 <DocScrutinizer05> -the
May 11 18:50:48 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: Nothing happens if I press New.
May 11 18:51:00 <VaticanCameos> Damn...this thing really is broken isn't it
May 11 18:51:41 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing? that indicates that the "GUI" part gets errors when trying to talk to the BT "hardware" aka drivers aka bluez
May 11 18:52:28 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you updated bluez from a broken source, there are newer bluez versions around that don't work with maemo5
May 11 18:52:34 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash!
May 11 18:56:21 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: It wasn't from an update. iirc, it started happening the day some messed up even occurred in my phone, probably something to do with a messed up reboot 
May 11 18:56:25 <VaticanCameos> I can't remember exactly
May 11 18:56:29 <VaticanCameos> but since then BT isn't working
May 11 18:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I can't investigate this any further with reasonable expense on effort. Just reflash, I don't think we will be able to track it down to the root cause
May 11 18:59:43 <DocScrutinizer05> doing a complete backup with BackupMenu before reflash will help to save all settings in case you later on need them, as well as the error so we could continue to investigate it when we feel bored
May 11 18:59:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
May 11 18:59:50 <infobot> well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
May 11 19:01:05 <DocScrutinizer05> and even in case of a hw defect (still unlikely) a BM backup would allow you to restore your complete system on a new device
May 11 19:02:10 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: Are you one of the few active maemo devs still around?
May 11 19:02:19 <DocScrutinizer05> install BM from Hildon "Application Manager" (aka HAM), reboot with kbd slide open, do a complete backup preferably to uSD
May 11 19:02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I'm not exactly a maemo developer
May 11 19:03:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I did some development a few years back, you might find H-E-N (and the tiny fancy "starhash-enabler)
May 11 19:03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you might have heard of 
May 11 19:03:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
May 11 19:04:00 <infobot> jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 11 19:04:33 <DocScrutinizer05> also http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council (though that will end soon for me, sth I'm quite happy about)
May 11 19:07:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~joerg
May 11 19:07:00 <infobot> rumour has it, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer
May 11 19:08:23 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org
May 11 19:08:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
May 11 19:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo joerg
May 11 19:08:35 <infobot> joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (2026 days); last modified 11s ago  by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 65 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 34s ago; it has been locked by jOERG.
May 11 19:08:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lock joerg
May 11 19:09:01 <DocScrutinizer05> oops, already locked
May 11 19:09:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~joerg
May 11 19:09:35 <infobot> well, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org
May 11 19:14:26 <VaticanCameos> oooo
May 11 19:14:28 <VaticanCameos> awesome
May 11 19:17:36 <VaticanCameos> I didn't know people were still working on the N900 after its unceremonious ditching years ag
May 11 19:17:37 <VaticanCameos> o
May 11 19:17:42 <VaticanCameos> That used to piss me off a lot
May 11 19:18:08 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: Why don't you guys take part in Google Summer of Code as a mentoring organization? That way you could get stuff done by students
May 11 19:18:13 <VaticanCameos> you are an open source org after all
May 11 19:19:19 <DocScrutinizer05> VaticanCameos: that's actually a brilliant idea
May 11 19:19:37 <VaticanCameos> DocScrutinizer05: In your first year, you'll get a max of two slots
May 11 19:19:39 <DocScrutinizer05> at least worth pondering it further
May 11 19:19:44 <VaticanCameos> but will be a start, and a proper kickstart to your plan
May 11 19:20:01 <VaticanCameos> It will also bring your org and idea into mainstream consciousness
May 11 19:20:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I never looked too close into proceedings of GSoC
May 11 19:20:17 <VaticanCameos> Damn, had you guys appeared this year I would've gladly applied for you guys
May 11 19:21:07 <DocScrutinizer05> FPTF as part of GSoC, sounds reasonable
May 11 19:21:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fptf
May 11 19:21:31 <infobot> somebody said fptf was the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
May 11 19:22:12 <bencoh> fptpf as a gsoc ? seriously ?
May 11 19:22:31 <DocScrutinizer05> just an idea I think is worth pondering
May 11 19:22:39 <bencoh> well it's worth trying
May 11 19:22:46 <bencoh> wouldnt expect much though
May 11 19:22:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sure
May 11 19:23:28 <VaticanCameos> bencoh: If you guys put yourselves across in the right way, there is every bit a chance of selection as a mentoring organization.
May 11 19:23:55 <bencoh> hmm, what is the right way in that case ?
May 11 19:23:56 <VaticanCameos> Given that this project is open source and is working to revive the glory of a truly OSS smartphone
May 11 19:24:07 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe we need to pimp it up a bit - make that "secure OS for phones, based on maemo5", with cryptfs, ZRTP-based VoIP and other bells and whistels
May 11 19:24:23 <VaticanCameos> Apply as a mentor org in 2015. I don't have much idea about how mentor orgs apply, I'm a student. But I can find out for you guys from my mentor.
May 11 19:25:11 <DocScrutinizer05> mentor: Neo900 group
May 11 19:25:27 <DocScrutinizer05> could fly
May 11 19:25:32 <VaticanCameos> If you have mundane library system projects in gsoc, surely FPTF deserves a position
May 11 19:25:39 <vdv> apt-get install libsqlite3-dev fails with message "Package libsqlite3-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
May 11 19:25:40 <vdv> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
May 11 19:25:40 <vdv> is only available from another source
May 11 19:25:40 <vdv> E: Package libsqlite3-dev has no installation candidate"
May 11 19:26:43 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# apt-cache search libsqlite
May 11 19:26:45 <DocScrutinizer05> libsqlite3-0 - SQLite 3 shared library
May 11 19:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> libsqlite0 - SQLite shared library
May 11 19:26:48 <DocScrutinizer05> libsqlite0-dev - SQLite development files
May 11 19:27:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds about correct
May 11 19:27:53 <DocScrutinizer05> then otoh I don't see why a package on N900 would depend on libsqlite3-dev
May 11 19:28:13 <DocScrutinizer05> shouldn't
May 11 19:28:53 <DocScrutinizer05> in scratchbox SDK, you will find a way to install the -dev pkg from *somewhere*
May 11 19:30:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsqlite3-dev/
May 11 19:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the way is the standard supposed way of installing SDK stuff from SDK repo ;-)
May 11 19:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Fremantle SDK free armel	libsqlite3-dev 3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5
May 11 19:31:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Fremantle SDK free i386	libsqlite3-dev 3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5
May 11 19:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> again, on target platform (N900) the *-dev packages SHOULD not be needed for any app/program to install
May 11 19:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW: either you did ""apt-get install libsqlite3-dev"" on N900 then I wonder why you did. Or you did it on your PC inside SB SDK, then you are missing the SDK repo in your sources.list
May 11 19:38:25 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, ruby
May 11 19:38:33 <vdv> and gem install
May 11 19:38:53 <vdv> and i'm indeed on device
May 11 19:40:11 <vdv> would enabling SDK repo on my n900 help?
May 11 19:41:54 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
May 11 19:43:42 <DocScrutinizer05> or simply click on the .deb link of http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libsqlite3-dev/3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5/ in microB
May 11 19:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> might or might not start HAM to install the .deb, after downloading it. If it doesn't, install manually using cd <dir-to-download>; dplg -i *.deb
May 11 19:47:46 <DocScrutinizer05> or do ` cd ~user/MyDocs; wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-dev_3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5_armel.deb; dpkg -i libsq*.deb; rm libsq*.deb`
May 11 19:48:56 <vdv> enabling SDK repo worked
May 11 19:49:15 <vdv> installed package
May 11 19:59:56 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, thanks
May 11 19:59:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
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