**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 20 02:59:59 2014
May 20 10:45:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
May 20 10:55:42 <Sicelo> hi ..
May 20 10:56:04 <Sicelo> i have noticed that Nokia Maps seems to no longer be getting map data.
May 20 10:56:15 <Sicelo> anyone else seen this?
May 20 11:16:35 <jaxson> Sicelo: can confirm this, doesn't work for me neither
May 20 11:16:50 <jaxson> satellite view seems to work though
May 20 11:39:23 <Sicelo> yes, funny enough, haha
May 20 12:03:32 <DocScrutinizer05> no surprise
May 20 12:04:57 <Defiant> so one more point to throw nokia maps away in neo900?
May 20 12:05:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia maps (the app) basically got bought by M$, but I guess the map company (navteq?) wasn't part of that deal. M$ already cleans out eMMC images that contain map data, on fire.nokia.com fileservers
May 20 12:05:32 <Defiant> so what do the windows phones do?
May 20 12:05:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Defiant: you can bet on nokia maps not being one of the core apps we will take care about to make it work in fptf
May 20 12:06:56 <DocScrutinizer05> however note that neo900 group doesn't decide on anything regarding fptf. Since fptf is a community project not ruled by neo900 group
May 20 12:07:39 * Defiant just needs default gpsd protocol
May 20 12:08:05 <DocScrutinizer05> that should be simple, seen our GPS post of yesterday evening?
May 20 12:08:15 <Defiant> not yet
May 20 12:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> duh!
May 20 12:08:48 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1426008
May 20 12:09:09 <Defiant> thx
May 20 12:09:40 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
May 20 12:13:34 <Sicelo> at this time, which is the recommended maps application for N900?
May 20 12:15:15 <Defiant> Probably depends on what you need
May 20 12:15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> there are ~3 or 4 of them
May 20 12:16:24 <Sicelo> 1) it must allow caching maps, 2) able to do offline routing.
May 20 12:16:35 <Sicelo> voice guidance would be nice too
May 20 12:19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools
May 20 12:20:05 <DocScrutinizer05> modrana, marble, mappero(?)
May 20 12:21:00 <DocScrutinizer05> yup mappero
May 20 12:21:37 <DocScrutinizer05> modrana prolly the most active maintained one, thanks m4rtink
May 20 12:21:58 <Sicelo> thanks. :) 
May 20 12:22:25 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#modRana_2
May 20 12:22:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
May 20 12:24:14 <DocScrutinizer05> you just should check them all, neither the wiki website nor my experience is quite up to date
May 20 12:24:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and your preferences and requirements may vary
May 20 12:25:38 <DocScrutinizer05> marble been nice a 2 years ago (though greedy), but seems got semi-orphaned since then
May 20 12:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> while modrana gets constant maintenance but I didn't use it until recently
May 20 12:27:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd *really* love to link address in contacts to some other map app than ovi maps. That's really annoying
May 20 12:28:25 <Sicelo> the dbus request is generated 'in secrecy?'
May 20 12:29:40 <Defiant> dbus and secrecy?
May 20 12:31:43 <DocScrutinizer05> secrecy?
May 20 12:33:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet there's some dbus appstarter file that defines which app to start when a message for "maps" comes in. But that map app then needs to use the proper dbus name to identify itself and receive messages on that name
May 20 12:34:47 <meik> hi
May 20 12:35:16 <DocScrutinizer05> hi
May 20 12:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Autostart_Services
May 20 12:39:55 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.NokiaMaps.service                                                                                                                         
May 20 12:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> # Service description file for Nokia Maps                                                                                                                                                     
May 20 12:39:58 <DocScrutinizer05> [D-BUS Service]                                                                                                                                                                               
May 20 12:39:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Name=com.nokia.NokiaMaps                                                                                                                                                                      
May 20 12:40:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Exec=/usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html 2>/dev/null                                                                                                                    
May 20 12:40:05 <meik> has anyone already encountered a problem where the n900 screen goes flashing (on/off) every seconds, and in the dmesg log there are occurences of "lof open" "lid closed" events ? (even if the screen actually remains open OR closed)
May 20 12:40:34 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, lots of spaces?
May 20 12:41:02 <meik> ?
May 20 12:41:26 <DocScrutinizer05> meik: sorry, not addressed at you
May 20 12:41:29 <meik> okay :)
May 20 12:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> meik: your problem sounds pretty weird
May 20 12:43:05 <DocScrutinizer05> could you pastebin the dmesg section please?
May 20 12:43:37 <DocScrutinizer05> some 20 or 30 lines
May 20 12:43:54 <DocScrutinizer05> actually syslog preferred
May 20 12:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> May 10 00:53:56 IroN900 kernel: [55194.485260] slide (GPIO 71) is now open
May 20 12:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> is the relevant logline
May 20 12:46:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and "closed" of course
May 20 12:47:58 <DocScrutinizer05> " lid " not found
May 20 12:49:48 <meik> DocScrutinizer05: I don't have it with me atm
May 20 12:49:58 <meik> I let it at home today
May 20 12:50:57 <meik> btw, I will try cleaning the screen connectors
May 20 12:52:15 <jpinx> meik: mine did that after I had replaced the screen
May 20 12:53:18 <jpinx> I re-replaced it and all was well -- I think it was to do with the way the screen slider works and makes it's contacts.
May 20 12:53:33 <DocScrutinizer05> meik: sorry ehat will you try to clean?
May 20 12:54:15 <DocScrutinizer05> the screen slider doesn't "make contacts"
May 20 12:54:18 <jpinx> meik: have you been doing something with the screen or it's mounting/slider ?
May 20 12:54:44 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a flex cable with a board2board connector, and there's a magnet in screen and a hallswitch on mobo
May 20 12:54:58 <meik> actually it started behaving that way a few days ago
May 20 12:55:11 <meik> I haven't used it for a few weeks
May 20 12:55:49 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: I noticed that is very easy to refit the screen incorrectly and leave a bigger than usual gap - allowing the magentic switch to be uncertain 
May 20 12:56:01 <jpinx> meik: have you dropped it ?
May 20 12:56:03 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 20 12:56:14 <meik> hmm I don't think so
May 20 12:56:24 <jpinx> or sat on it ;)
May 20 12:56:33 <meik> it travels in my laptop bag, so maybe a bit crunched
May 20 12:56:43 <DocScrutinizer05> first off we need the syslog
May 20 12:56:58 <meik> yep, I will check that in the evening when I go home
May 20 12:56:59 <jpinx> is the gap between the screen and main body the same allthe way round - a snug fit ?
May 20 12:57:23 <DocScrutinizer05> the hallswitch is on GPIO71
May 20 12:57:26 <meik> seems to be the same but I wil check that
May 20 12:57:46 <jpinx> ok -- come back when you've got the thing in your hands ;) 
May 20 12:58:02 <DocScrutinizer05> unless we see that toggling in syslog, we don't need to start checking magnet, gap, hall switch
May 20 12:58:16 <jpinx> indeed
May 20 12:58:30 <jpinx> but hard to know what else could be causing it
May 20 12:58:42 <jpinx> maybe old age ;)
May 20 12:58:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I could think of a funny feedback loop from screen backlight to either ALS or proxi sensor
May 20 13:00:08 <DocScrutinizer05> both, under certain circumstances, could cause screen to go dark when light goes to them
May 20 13:00:47 <DocScrutinizer05> also the backlight boost converter (PSU) might have a hw defect
May 20 13:01:45 <DocScrutinizer05> first of all, check if the effect is dependant on state of slider open/close
May 20 13:02:36 <DocScrutinizer05> all but flex cable/b2b-conn and hallswitch should be independant of slider open/closed
May 20 13:03:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and both of the above are hardly any independent on slider state
May 20 13:03:50 <DocScrutinizer05> meik: ping me when you got better data
May 20 13:04:00 <DocScrutinizer05> i.e. when you're back home
May 20 13:06:11 <meik> yup :)
May 20 15:06:24 <e-yes> anyone has an idea how to access vibra directly from userspace using /dev/input device?
May 20 15:06:37 <e-yes> (for rm696, sorry)
May 20 16:05:40 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: do you have any idee om what do do whit a n900 that the touch screen dont realy work?
May 20 17:01:43 <Maxdamantus> Meh, e-yes left.
May 20 17:01:56 <Maxdamantus> It's in /sys, not /dev
May 20 17:02:34 <Maxdamantus> echo 255 80 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse
May 20 17:55:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Agge: swap digitizer?
May 20 17:55:47 <Agge> do you know whare to get those?
May 20 17:55:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Agge: define "dont realy work"
May 20 17:57:11 <Agge> some parts of it works allitle but allot of the time it rigister the button press but it will show that it have registred the screen press
May 20 17:58:05 <Agge> it don't register the actualy button press but show that it have resived somthing
May 20 18:02:14 <lynx-z> additionally to Agge above, it's like the screen is extremely badly calibrated, and register touches only sometimes, and usually not in the right area of the screen itself
May 20 18:02:40 <lynx-z> which makes it's quite difficult to use the screen at all 
May 20 18:04:25 <lynx-z> DocScrutinizer05: do you have any idea what we can do about the thing? 
May 20 18:05:37 <lynx-z> it would've be very useful if the keyboard navigation was possible :( 
May 20 18:07:09 <DocScrutinizer05> run screen calibration, test, reseat the flexd cable b2b-connector, test, run screen calibration, test, do full reflash, test, swap digitizer, test, discard (stop on test==success)
May 20 18:07:38 <lynx-z> but we can't even access the screen callibration 
May 20 18:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05>  /usr/bin/tscalibrate
May 20 18:08:37 <DocScrutinizer05> or: /usr/bin/tscalibrate cpanel 67108886
May 20 18:08:40 <Agge> thanks
May 20 18:09:08 <lynx-z> DocScrutinizer05: thankyousir, we'll try <3
May 20 18:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
May 20 18:09:24 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: any quick comands to acces the setting menue?
May 20 18:11:43 <DocScrutinizer05> won't help since you can't select anything in settings menu, when digitizer defunct
May 20 18:12:05 <Defiant> you should be able to with x2x or ssh forward
May 20 18:12:24 <DocScrutinizer05> you should be able to use a *mouse*
May 20 18:12:32 <Agge> how?
May 20 18:12:42 <DocScrutinizer05> either BT or USB with hostmode
May 20 18:12:56 <Defiant> try controlpanel for settings
May 20 18:13:53 <Defiant> broken touch?
May 20 18:14:09 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly
May 20 18:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like ts with leaking oil separator
May 20 18:15:13 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: P.S. thes is the second china phone of 4 that we have truble with
May 20 18:41:30 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: if we connect a mouse with a usb OTG cable to it do we need to doanything with the settings or will it start working imeditly
May 20 18:49:02 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: It seem like it was the screen protektor that the china phone was delivered with that made the screen not work
May 20 18:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you need H-E-N
May 20 18:49:54 <Agge> ?
May 20 18:50:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pkg
May 20 18:50:04 <infobot> i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
May 20 18:50:08 <Agge> aha thanks
May 20 18:50:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/hostmode-gui/
May 20 18:51:14 <meik> I disconnected and connected again my screen (n900) and now the problem is gone...
May 20 18:51:29 <meik> (at least, for now)
May 20 18:51:38 <DocScrutinizer05> get an old version of H-E-N which is python
May 20 18:52:06 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that's what I suggested as 2nd step to try and fix it
May 20 18:52:31 <meik> yup
May 20 18:53:36 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: do the they have a problem with lose conectors?
May 20 18:55:22 <DocScrutinizer05> the b2b connector usually doesn't go loose omce it's properly connected (unless you insert a credit card between kbd and screen)
May 20 18:55:43 <DocScrutinizer05> but somebody reassembling the device night have failed to properly seat it
May 20 18:55:54 <DocScrutinizer05> s/night/might/
May 20 18:55:54 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: but somebody reassembling the device might have failed to properly seat it
May 20 19:13:33 <wizbit> DocScrutinizer05: have you ever tested N900drop
May 20 19:13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> no
May 20 19:14:03 <wizbit> i think maybe the software is old and thats why it doesnt auth
May 20 19:14:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 20 19:14:25 <wizbit> it doesnt matter, can use the web client easy enough
May 20 19:35:32 <mkaindl> hm, just took my n900 out of the box, where it was lying the last half year and wanted to reflash it, but had to see, that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is down :(
May 20 19:36:13 <mkaindl> any idea where to get some images from a trusted source?
May 20 19:37:05 <RiD> ~emmc
May 20 19:37:06 <infobot> i guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
May 20 19:37:18 <RiD> ~combined
May 20 19:37:19 <infobot> i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 20 19:37:27 <RiD> ~flasher
May 20 19:37:28 <infobot> somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 20 19:37:48 <RiD> there you go, you can still follow the tutorial on maemo wiki I guess
May 20 19:38:00 <NIN101> checksums somewhere could be useful.
May 20 19:38:41 <RiD> they're... somewhere
May 20 19:39:57 <NIN101> anyone knows whether nokia allows redistributing the firmware?
May 20 19:42:16 <sixwheeledbeast> NIN101: If m.o could redistribute I am sure they would.
May 20 19:42:52 <mkaindl> can we put the fds-fire.nokia.com links in the wiki?
May 20 19:44:48 <sixwheeledbeast> Possibly this wasn't done for a reason.
May 20 19:51:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't see why we couldn't put them on wiki somewhere
May 20 19:52:35 <DocScrutinizer05> but rather not directly to updating_the_firmware tutorial
May 20 19:53:19 <DocScrutinizer05> rather on a separate page and link to that page from tutorial
May 20 19:54:44 <DocScrutinizer05> also a clear note that Nokia shut down tabletsdev 18some months ago for no good reason (at least no reason given)
May 20 19:55:31 <thedead1440> maybe wiki can link to a pastebin link where all those *.nokia.com links are pasted
May 20 19:55:59 <DocScrutinizer05> rumor has it they stated some "security issue" inofficially. Nobody knows why they were not able to fix said security issue
May 20 19:57:11 <DocScrutinizer05> pastebin is not editable
May 20 19:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> where I live, linking to official support files isn't illegal, not even when those support files are not on the URL they once been
May 20 19:59:59 <DocScrutinizer05> when those files where meant to get sold, like e.g. mp3 music, then somebody could try to sue you for "supporting piracy" and try to get money for you to compensate the loss they had from not selling the mp3 files (or CDs)
May 20 20:01:04 <DocScrutinizer05> when you rename the files or use them in own work, then owner could sue you for copyright infringement
May 20 20:02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> as long as they are (or were) officially and freely available for download, pointing to a backup/archive is 100% OK for all I know
May 20 20:02:50 <DocScrutinizer05> except for flasher, all files been freely downloadable from fire.nokia.com
May 20 20:03:50 <DocScrutinizer05> flasher might be a FOSS infringement by Nokia, so probably they rather ignore you pointing to a DL site than sue you for something they did wrong themselves
May 20 20:06:27 <DocScrutinizer05> or Nokia has the rights to flash those firmware files to their devices (even in service points, using phoenix software, thus the files are on fire.nokia.com) but they must not redistribute them to customers
May 20 20:06:52 <DocScrutinizer05> thus they removed flasher and nuked tabletsdev
May 20 20:06:54 <DocScrutinizer05> who knows
May 20 20:06:58 <DocScrutinizer05> who cares?
May 20 20:07:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia didn't tell us what's the problem and the supposed solution, so they have to live with community finding their own solutions to their own problems
May 20 20:14:37 <DocScrutinizer05> HiFo supposed to sort this out and offer a clear statement about tabletsdev, since ... 2 years?
May 20 20:15:18 <DocScrutinizer05> seems the progress and success is pretty limited
May 20 20:15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, completely obscure
May 20 20:17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> any further "stay calm and hush, we're in negotiations, don't disturb those" seems like a lame joke
May 20 20:22:53 * DocScrutinizer05 figures HiFo_or_whatever_successor announcing proudly "we got the permissions to host fiasco image for PR1.1!!!" -- in 2023
May 20 20:25:02 <jaska> heh
May 20 20:25:12 <jaska> 2300
May 20 20:25:20 <sixwheeledbeast> wow, there's been a shed load of spam on w.m.o. I haven't had the time to keep an eye on it lately. All from different IP's so hard to block. Seems I have rolled back the last 30 days worth.
May 20 20:25:43 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 20 23:57:07 <mtnman> hello
May 20 23:58:30 <Sicelo> hi
May 21 00:05:29 <mtnman> can anyone tell me why gst-launch has disappeared from my system?
May 21 00:05:49 <mtnman> has it been upgraded or has the named otherwise changed?
May 21 00:07:28 <mtnman> help
May 21 00:07:35 <mtnman> oops
May 21 01:11:59 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 21 02:59:58 2014