**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 10 02:59:59 2014 Jun 10 08:16:46 moin :) Jun 10 08:33:38 does the built-in sip support in maemo work properly? Jun 10 08:33:48 trying to work out of this problem is just my firewall or something Jun 10 08:34:59 s/of/if/ Jun 10 08:35:00 BCMM meant: trying to work out if this problem is just my firewall or something Jun 10 09:01:17 I just popped a balloon at microsoft's lumia 1020 stand in Oulu with my N900's stylus and said "thats how it's done" in finnish.. they were terrified.. Jun 10 09:02:39 lumiat on rumia Jun 10 09:06:25 se yks kysy btw "what is your language?" Jun 10 09:07:15 oops wrong tab Jun 10 09:07:24 forget the last one Jun 10 10:17:37 knott_rays: hahaha Jun 10 10:26:14 BCMM: works properly, yes. prolly only issue might be packet loss from wi-fi. then again, not all sip servers work the same Jun 10 18:00:02 DocScrutinizer05: or sixwheeledbeast any idea what it might meen when a N900 led is solid orange when conected to a charger but do not start? Jun 10 18:00:31 did you try to turn it off and on again? Jun 10 18:01:00 Humpelstilzchen: fails at turning it on Jun 10 18:02:06 aah does not start as in does not boot Jun 10 18:02:37 Agge: Jun 10 18:02:42 ~flatbatrecover Jun 10 18:02:42 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. Jun 10 18:03:22 DocScrutinizer05: i lost my phone :( Jun 10 18:03:24 got another one now Jun 10 18:03:40 all i need to know is how to setup the repos again Jun 10 18:03:50 i remember i had to rewind the year back, but forgot what year Jun 10 18:04:39 Agge: it basically means that your battery is so low on voltage that the CPU cannot boot and the bq24150 is charging the battery autonomously to pull the system out of this deadlock situation Jun 10 18:05:15 aha thanks doc. it is the China phone it was problem with on saturday. tested with a good batery to see if that worked. both batereys works in my old N900 but none of them in the new one Jun 10 18:05:56 charging right new from a samsung charger becouse I don't have the original charger with me Jun 10 18:06:04 wizbit: you need to set system date to 2011 to get rid of warnings in apt about expired nokia signature in base repos. This is not really needed to set up the repos for a working system Jun 10 18:07:18 DocScrutinizer05: the only repos i have on are: Nokia Applications & Nokia Software Updates Jun 10 18:07:25 can i update from that once year is 2011? Jun 10 18:07:33 you will want maemo-extras Jun 10 18:07:39 ok ill stick that in Jun 10 18:07:49 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Jun 10 18:08:05 Distribution: fremantle-1.3 <-- ? Jun 10 18:08:12 yep Jun 10 18:08:14 ace Jun 10 18:08:16 iirc Jun 10 18:08:22 i will write this down this time Jun 10 18:08:26 sorry, afk, bbl Jun 10 18:08:34 ok dude Jun 10 18:32:07 is it worth using CSSU-Thumb ? Jun 10 18:32:14 probably Jun 10 18:32:34 there's some minor speed increases Jun 10 18:32:45 the big advantage is in the less space used in the rootfs Jun 10 18:32:54 right i see Jun 10 18:37:10 kerio: after the nokia security update, should i then add in the CSSU-Thumb repo then do a big update? Jun 10 18:37:34 you should follow the instructions in the cssu thumb topic Jun 10 18:37:38 ay eok Jun 10 18:37:40 wait, nokia security update? :O Jun 10 18:37:49 its the latest firmware Jun 10 18:37:56 which one? Jun 10 18:37:59 ~tell wizbit about cssu-thumb Jun 10 18:38:06 i had the nokia repo left Jun 10 18:38:12 then set my block back to 2011 Jun 10 18:38:18 then it said maemo security update Jun 10 18:38:22 so i am installing it Jun 10 18:38:29 *clock Jun 10 18:39:11 well that was interesting, 1 months rainfall in an hour and I get a call out Jun 10 18:39:12 Maemo 5 21.2011.38-1.205.1 Jun 10 18:39:25 so much for this "heatwave" Jun 10 18:43:42 wizbit: 21.2011.38-1 is the pr1.3.1 update Jun 10 18:43:50 ace Jun 10 18:43:56 its nearly finished installing Jun 10 18:44:10 so basically the last Nokia release Jun 10 18:44:16 is that good? Jun 10 18:44:37 you will need this or p1.3 before going CSSU Jun 10 18:44:59 so this update will give me PR1.3.1 so i should be good to go Jun 10 18:45:06 :nod: Jun 10 18:45:23 then go to CSSU page Jun 10 18:45:26 ~CSSU Jun 10 18:45:26 well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jun 10 18:45:31 is CSSU-Thumb stable to use? Jun 10 18:45:40 i dont do anything too fancy on the phone Jun 10 18:47:14 er, well it's based on CSSU-Testing so you should "expect" the odd issue. The question is how confident are you with Debian, Maemo and useful bug reporting? Jun 10 18:47:26 it's slightly edgier than cssu-testing, but not by much Jun 10 18:47:35 aye ok Jun 10 18:47:38 good to know :) Jun 10 18:48:03 do you guys use CSSU thumb on your phones? Jun 10 18:48:54 wizbit: I use CSSU-Stable for my day to day device but I have a Testing and Thumb device too :) Jun 10 18:49:23 is your CSSU-stable device pretty stable? Jun 10 18:49:29 or does it crash every now and again Jun 10 18:49:34 :) Jun 10 18:51:57 CSSU-Stable is well "Stable" there's the odd minor annoying bug that needs an update Jun 10 18:52:05 ace Jun 10 18:52:50 tbh, i was on stable for a long time too, then eventually started using Testing. no complaints at all Jun 10 18:55:01 ok ill install CSSU-stable on this phone then if i get another i will install CSSU-Thumb on it Jun 10 18:55:02 Yes, I agree everything in Testing currently is solid. However, that's not the idea behind our Stable/Testing/Devel method. Jun 10 18:55:44 what is a clean way to update to CSSU-Stable, im now on PR1.3.1 Jun 10 18:56:23 wizbit: That would be the best idea. You can upgrade to Testing if you wish but you can't really downgrade Jun 10 18:56:29 ok Jun 10 18:56:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation Jun 10 18:56:51 i will follow instructions there Jun 10 18:56:59 There is only one way to install CSSU read and follow the instructions on the wiki page ^^^ Jun 10 18:57:08 :nod: Jun 10 18:58:55 first i will enable the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ repo and install backupmenu and do a backup :D Jun 10 18:59:26 ~bm Jun 10 18:59:27 hmm... backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jun 10 19:01:04 backupmenu is not in extras Jun 10 19:01:31 oh its in extra-devel Jun 10 19:02:32 i wonder if there is a quick way to add in all the required repos Jun 10 19:02:52 ~jr-tools Jun 10 19:02:55 methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jun 10 19:03:09 there should be a script there to do just that wizbit Jun 10 19:03:13 ace Jun 10 19:03:22 http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Jun 10 19:04:42 ummm, rather http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install please Jun 10 19:06:39 my fault. fixed Jun 10 19:07:10 ace Jun 10 19:07:12 works :D Jun 10 19:07:40 i didnt backup my phone last time, this time i will :D Jun 10 19:16:27 It's a shame the latest bm is in extras-devel. It seems silly asking new users to install something from a -devel repo. Jun 10 19:17:01 i wonder if backupmenu still works, considering my silly partitioning Jun 10 19:18:01 you can install the .deb directly with microb however it defeats the object of extras/testing/devel again... :sigh: Jun 10 19:18:09 should i keep the Nokia Applications repo turned on? Jun 10 19:18:13 yep Jun 10 19:18:17 ok Jun 10 19:37:08 sixwheeledbeast: we already promoted it to testing afaik, it just depends on other stuff that as well isn't available in extras (sans -*) Jun 10 19:37:42 I opted for promoting the dependencies to extras as well, afaik it's just the i2c-tools, for charging Jun 10 19:38:02 ~seen robbiethe1st Jun 10 19:38:03 DocScrutinizer05: nope I just checked the latest is devel Jun 10 19:38:11 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50.107.30.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 35d 16h 33m 31s ago, saying: 'I swear, microUSB connections are way too tiny'. Jun 10 19:38:49 a pkg can't be promoted to extras if dependencies are not there. Jun 10 19:39:14 whatever, council *could* decide to override all quarantine and promotion rules and promote BM incl dependencies to extras repo Jun 10 19:40:09 maybe a nice topic for council meeting supposed to start in 20 min Jun 10 19:40:13 i am following the instructions here Jun 10 19:40:19 http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install Jun 10 19:40:23 i clicked on that Jun 10 19:41:23 are they safe on all versions of Maemo/CSSU? Jun 10 19:41:40 wizbit: those are which instructions? CSSU installation? Jun 10 19:44:17 dam now i have this Jun 10 19:44:39 Unable to update libqtm-bearer Conflicing application packages Jun 10 19:46:17 does this mean my phone has stuff installed on it already? Jun 10 19:46:23 and i will need to flash it :( Jun 10 19:50:03 how annoying there is maemo 4 stuff on my phone Jun 10 19:51:13 look like ill have to flash it :( Jun 10 19:59:23 figured it out Jun 10 19:59:37 needed to click on CSSU icon in setup :D Jun 10 20:09:58 updated to CSSU-stable Jun 10 20:10:00 one last thing Jun 10 20:10:07 to install extra stuff, like open-ssh Jun 10 20:10:46 should i use the Community SSU devel repro or Meaemo Extras-DEVEL repro? Jun 10 20:11:11 or neither of those? Jun 10 20:11:20 maybe just Maemo Extras ? Jun 10 20:37:28 wizbit: <> Did you fix this? Jun 10 20:37:51 neither to the above question BTW Jun 10 20:39:41 sixwheeledbeast: yes fixed that Jun 10 20:39:53 i clicked on the SSU community icon in setup Jun 10 20:39:58 then it was all ok after that Jun 10 20:40:07 I see. Jun 10 20:40:20 what repro should i use for extra stuff? Jun 10 20:40:39 "maemo.org" aka "Extras" Jun 10 20:40:45 right ok ill use that :D Jun 10 20:41:01 NOT "extras-devel" or "extras-testing" Jun 10 20:41:06 ok Jun 10 20:41:06 ~extras Jun 10 20:41:06 i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Jun 10 20:43:55 sixwheeledbeast: if i did want to install a few newer applications like opera, should i go with maemo extra devel? Jun 10 20:44:07 then switch off the repo after Jun 10 20:45:15 wizbit: that's up to you. Extras-Devel can lead to buggy software as per ~extras-devel Jun 10 20:45:37 I found Opera 12 in Devel unstable for example Jun 10 20:45:41 thats ok opera 12.1 beta was working fine last i used it Jun 10 20:46:00 will it cause a big repro mess though if i do that Jun 10 20:46:12 deb package hell? Jun 10 20:46:33 no Jun 10 20:46:35 eh? Jun 10 20:46:37 ace Jun 10 20:46:42 im thinking of rpm hell Jun 10 20:47:06 but yes, it segfaults for many.. i found if you strace it, it behaves for a while :p Jun 10 20:47:22 Sicelo: what opera? Jun 10 20:47:39 yep Jun 10 20:47:45 :nod: Jun 10 20:48:00 I have gone back to using microB TBH Jun 10 20:48:09 ok Jun 10 20:48:12 ipv6 FTW ;) Jun 10 20:51:45 * Sicelo uses MicroB too. :) Jun 10 20:59:39 ~bm Jun 10 20:59:44 backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jun 10 21:43:01 does the n900 silently drop mms? Jun 10 21:43:33 There are certain things (mainly two factor auth stuff or email->sms bridges) where I never actually get the text Jun 10 21:43:37 but normal messaging is fine Jun 10 21:49:36 I think you need to download fmms to receive SMS, but not sure what it does without it Jun 10 21:49:48 err... s/SMS/MMS/ Jun 10 21:49:58 worth a shot, thanks Jun 10 21:50:25 yeah you need fmms Jun 10 21:59:40 there is no native mms, use fmms Jun 10 22:12:41 if it actually wants to work... Jun 10 22:15:02 I can get it to connect to the MMS "network", but as soon as I try to find something it shuts that connection down Jun 10 22:15:24 then it fails before it actually connects if I tell it to connect again while sending : Jun 10 22:15:27 :/* Jun 10 22:16:55 anyone know if fmms actually requires that you have 3g or something? Jun 10 22:17:08 rather than 2g Jun 10 22:26:17 Tekk_: I think I got it to work on 2g but I realy recomend sending picturs with email or somthing bether then bothering with fmms it was a lot of problem to get it to work Jun 10 22:32:12 wizbit: ((will it cause a big repro mess though if i do that)) enable extras-devel, install one package you found out _before_ that you want it, then instantly disable extras-devel again Jun 10 22:34:14 about fmms ask frals Jun 10 22:34:31 frals: right? :-) Jun 10 22:35:03 Agge: it's not that I was sending a pic, it was just text Jun 10 22:35:23 the issue is that things like at&t's "email to sms" service appear to actually use mms, not sms Jun 10 22:35:39 aha iritating Jun 10 22:35:51 hm Jun 10 22:35:58 it has the same behavior with wifi too Jun 10 22:36:07 it drops the net connection at several points when it tries to send Jun 10 22:36:13 so even if you reconnect in time it fails Jun 10 22:36:25 Doc have you had problem with any N900 that dident want to start after the 30min solid orange charghing? Jun 10 22:36:36 doesnt mms need a special "apn" config or what its called? Jun 10 22:36:54 at&t, isn't that this rogue US borne telecom company that *always* manages to mess stuff up at both a technical and a customer-service level? Jun 10 22:37:11 I could be wrong ;-P Jun 10 22:37:33 Agge: nope, never had such problem Jun 10 22:38:06 Agge: it could suggest that either your battery cell, your NOLO firmware, or your hardware are completely broken Jun 10 22:38:26 nox-: exactly Jun 10 22:38:35 DocScrutinizeryes Jun 10 22:38:42 that would be the one :) Jun 10 22:39:12 the batery works in an other phone and it at least to somthing with the led. any idee what it could be? Jun 10 22:39:47 Agge: you got linux on PC? Jun 10 22:40:16 yes Jun 10 22:40:32 watch syslog, plug in a powered down N900 Jun 10 22:41:03 yeah. hit send -> disconnect any internet connection -> try to send over internet -> offer connection dialog -> connect -> disconnect again and fail Jun 10 22:41:04 there are three USB ENUM events getting logged to PC syslog: ROMBOOT, NOLO, linux Jun 10 22:41:40 Tekk_: fmms switches APN. Jun 10 22:42:08 for details ask frals Jun 10 22:42:18 okay Jun 10 22:43:05 frals == developer of fmms Jun 10 22:43:36 Tekk_, http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS Jun 10 22:43:42 nobody except him *really* understood how this fancy lil piece of magic works, really Jun 10 22:44:24 DocScrutinizer05: how is the neo900 coming along? Jun 10 22:45:08 wizbit: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs might help you handling the switching back and forth of extras-devel Jun 10 22:45:42 Agge: much work and a lot of headache, restructuring whole internal organization Jun 10 22:46:07 anyone use syncevolution with Evolution3 ? Jun 10 22:46:09 nox-: yeah, trying to go and start the config from scratch Jun 10 22:46:13 but we're still on a path into right direction Jun 10 22:46:46 sounds iritating. hope that the new organization works better and you have had more luck with hardware/software part of it Jun 10 22:53:52 hm Jun 10 22:54:40 Agge: the new organization *has* to work better since we changed from old to new for this sole purpose ;-) Jun 10 22:55:51 I just hope for next to 100% of donors will forward their donation from GDC to Neo900 UG, so we have a basis to continue our work Jun 10 23:00:32 Agge: however I don't get the part about hw/sw-luck Jun 10 23:01:47 mostly just hope that you havent had any problem with the hw/sw part of the project Jun 10 23:02:29 nah, we're not in software basically, though recently I intensified my fostering for a few sw-related bits Jun 10 23:03:13 for the hw we been quite lucky so far, we even found components we honestly had our concerns if we could source them anywhere at all Jun 10 23:04:02 I noticed the updated future list :) Jun 10 23:06:56 no luck finding a wifi card with nfc/rfid? Jun 10 23:11:06 the specs sounds realy good Jun 10 23:12:30 and now did I see that rfid part :) Jun 10 23:12:30 And now did I notice the RFID part :) Jun 10 23:13:43 DocScrutinizer05: Got thes form the syslog from the problematic N900 http://bpaste.net/show/361622/ Jun 10 23:16:54 Agge: this looks like your system is semi-working Jun 10 23:17:02 you should reflash Jun 10 23:18:08 actually it even exports phonet USB device, which is meant to allow 2G/3G data connection from PC by using the phone as USB 3G dongle Jun 10 23:18:55 I wounder if you actualy can inititsiate that from an phone that is off? Jun 10 23:19:25 no, I told you it looks like your system semi-working Jun 10 23:20:19 ok. do you think it would be posible to get data from it? Jun 10 23:20:29 CPU starts up and ROMBOOT dies USB ENUM, so you already left the emergency phase that usually is indicated by steady amber Jun 10 23:20:49 s/dies/does/ Jun 10 23:20:50 DocScrutinizer05 meant: CPU starts up and ROMBOOT does USB ENUM, so you already left the emergency phase that usually is indicated by steady amber Jun 10 23:21:36 I don't see NOLO but that might have different reasins, starting with me being mistaken, to your PC not logging it Jun 10 23:21:54 running xubunto on that pc Jun 10 23:22:05 anyway phonet is a connection that's forwarded by CPU to the modem Jun 10 23:22:25 what data are you interested in? Jun 10 23:22:43 pictures and contacts mostly Jun 10 23:22:52 try : Jun 10 23:22:57 ~rescueos Jun 10 23:22:57 [rescueos] http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Jun 10 23:26:57 thanks I will try that Jun 10 23:30:56 Agge: RFID is still not decided upon yet. Lots of difficulties with that, starting at antenna for RFID Jun 10 23:32:39 if you are casitn new battery covers it would probibly be posibly to cast the antenna in it? othervice it might be nice to have the chip even if the user need to have an external antenna Jun 10 23:39:26 yes, we consider that external antenna idea Jun 10 23:40:49 the problem is not to find place for the antenna but to find a place where no nearby other antenna or huge metal object ruins the RF properties Jun 10 23:41:26 Agge: would you mind telling me about the usecases you want RFID for? Jun 10 23:43:25 msotly random stuff but. ultimatly to be able to decode encrypted milfare clasic card and store them on the phone insted of having alot of acces card with me all the time Jun 10 23:45:43 ultimatly also the ability to read and store 125khz tags. aside from regular 13.56mhz cards Jun 10 23:46:13 did you look at the http://www.openpcd.org/ project? Jun 10 23:47:29 you probably don't need new battery covers, just RF coil stickers and pogo pins on the mobo. Jun 10 23:47:46 IIRC that's how most Android devices do NFC Jun 10 23:51:11 I also somthimes ahve to reconfigure access cards on the fly and it would be helpfull to be able to do it witout pulling out a laptop and varius card reader/writer. Jun 10 23:51:59 hurrian: yes, we planned for exactly that, but we have lots of antennas and huge massive metal areas exactly there Jun 10 23:52:58 wouldn't be fun to have that antenna coil glued in there and find that it ceases to work as soon as you place the cover on a phone with inserted battery? Jun 10 23:53:14 125kHz we for sure can't support Jun 10 23:54:23 decode and store Mifare is something that for sure needs special chip properties when feasible at all Jun 10 23:54:54 not realy just a chip that you can controll the timing on Jun 10 23:55:19 I'm not fluent with that RFID stuff, but I seen about hifare specs Jun 10 23:55:34 mifare* Jun 10 23:55:53 the clasic and simular cards a realy not safe. you can usaly get the same key just by luck in about 5 of 30 cases Jun 10 23:56:23 iirc mifare don't even consider them to be an "encrypted" card internaly Jun 10 23:56:24 aw man, i'd be happy just to clone UID, that's authentication for the majority of the 13.56 MHz devices Jun 10 23:57:30 hurrian: the funny thing is that you can whrite data to the card so that it behave as it had a different UID then it have :) Jun 10 23:57:58 Agge: those cards arent RO? Jun 10 23:58:12 oh boy, I think I can repurpose quite a few cards then Jun 10 23:58:57 hurrian: depends most mifare clasic are not. they are encrypted with a A and a B key and you need both to realy change stuff with them Jun 10 23:59:45 I only used *one* RFID card in my life. Ooops nope, two. Both been my key to the office of the companies I worked for Jun 11 00:00:41 iirc it combine the UID with the B key to get the data string that it sends. so if you change certen data in the B key you can get it to emulate a different UID Jun 11 00:03:17 and you can extract the A and B key by manupulating the seed. it is seeded 16bit time from startup to first contact with reader so it is realy weak Jun 11 00:08:35 hurrian: abut the random generater and good info about manupulating the data on rfid http://youtu.be/aO6zFpgtLj8?t=13m27s Jun 11 00:10:17 Agge: nice, I should've read up on it before I headed out on vacation :p Jun 11 00:10:52 mifare specifaly is good lesion in how to not do security Jun 11 00:11:05 in the backwater I come from, all the auth is just UID based, waving a NFC phone in front of them usually causes them to crash lol. Jun 11 00:14:17 nice one :) Jun 11 00:20:12 hurrian: about manupilating the UID of cards http://youtu.be/QJyxUvMGLr0?t=43m47s Jun 11 00:22:08 looks like I remembered some ditales wrong but the general idea was correct :) Jun 11 01:20:39 * DocScrutinizer05 looks at "freebsd/developer/nox" and idly wonders what bsd developers think about dudes like Poettering and friends farting at *nix compatibility of linux at large Jun 11 01:21:37 DocScrutinizer05: wasn't a *BSD developing a compatibility layer for Poetteringware? Jun 11 01:22:01 OMG! :-o Jun 11 01:22:15 something to do with the linux compat layer and the fact that newer linux programs will eventually depend on poetteringware if they didn't already Jun 11 01:25:35 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd Jun 11 01:25:47 ~Poetteringware is broken by design software that is broken by design because of dependencies to also totally broken by design and fubar system components introduced and forcefed down the throat of all linux distros by Mr Poettering and friends, like systemd, kdbus, avahi, and last not least PolypAudio Jun 11 01:25:47 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jun 11 01:27:19 looks like De Raadt is kicking OBSD into high gear. Jun 11 01:27:58 I can't find enough to eat, so I could puke like I feel I want to Jun 11 01:31:17 how about a compatibility layer to make fubar poetteringware work on proper clean sysV-init systems? Pretty please with a convenient function to remotely electrocute the developer of that ware which needs the compatibility layer Jun 11 01:32:50 user land software with dependencies (SIC!) to systemd, WTF?! Jun 11 01:33:37 when will kernel get integrated into systemd? Jun 11 01:33:52 linux kernel? kdbus on the way. Jun 11 01:34:04 yup Jun 11 01:34:23 but Linus gave the only possible and correct answer to this Jun 11 01:36:38 and I hope he will need years err decades to feel convinced that this other guy and poettering changed their arrogant habit to mess up stuff and then declare all *other* apps as broken and leave it up to them to fix their API so they work with new "leete shite" of poettering's wet dreams Jun 11 01:38:16 ~freee Jun 11 01:38:17 hmm... freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 Jun 11 01:40:21 http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html honestly made my day. Thank you Mr Torvalds! Thanks you a truckload of times! Jun 11 01:41:48 ooh, "Kay Sievers" been the name of the other guy Jun 11 01:42:37 Sievers, like the unit for hard deadly radiation, should be possuble to remember, but noooo... My brain refuses, wonder why Jun 11 01:42:56 possible* Jun 11 01:50:40 honestly kudos to wicket for his signature! e.g. here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1407827&postcount=22 Jun 11 01:52:26 ~literal poettering Jun 11 01:52:26 "poettering" is "'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''" Jun 11 02:06:19 ~poettering is also you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html Jun 11 02:06:21 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jun 11 02:06:24 ~literal poettering Jun 11 02:06:24 "poettering" is "'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html" Jun 11 02:11:33 ~poettering Jun 11 02:11:34 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html Jun 11 02:14:14 ~poettering is also http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html Jun 11 02:14:16 DocScrutinizer05: okay **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 11 02:59:59 2014