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Jun 16 09:20:28 <Apic> Hi.
Jun 16 09:20:35 <Apic> oot@quartz:/home/apic/MyDocs/Debootstrap# apt-get -mf install aptitude
Jun 16 09:20:41 <Apic> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
Jun 16 09:20:41 <Apic>   hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed
Jun 16 09:20:44 <Apic>   libglib2.0-0: Breaks: gvfs (< 1.8) but 1.0.3-3maemo3.2+0m5 is to be installed
Jun 16 09:20:46 <Apic> How to resolve please?
Jun 16 09:20:49 <Apic>   sysvinit-utils: Breaks: upstart (< 1.5-1) but 0.3.8-67+0m5 is to be installed
Jun 16 09:20:51 <Apic> E: Broken packages
Jun 16 09:21:28 <Apic> (I tried apt-get --reinstall install osso-af-startup but it changed not a Thing…(
Jun 16 09:21:39 <Apic> s/…(/…)/
Jun 16 09:21:40 <infobot> Apic meant: (I tried apt-get --reinstall install osso-af-startup but it changed not a Thing…)
Jun 16 09:29:37 <Sicelo> Apic: what exactly are you trying to do/achieve?
Jun 16 09:29:55 <Apic> I want to install patitude
Jun 16 09:29:58 <Apic> aptitude
Jun 16 09:30:06 <Iridos> osso? that sounds like maemo, not debian
Jun 16 09:30:10 <Apic> So it can automagically resolv Stuff for me which apt-get cannot.
Jun 16 09:30:23 <Apic> I have a Maemo Base System installed
Jun 16 09:30:43 <Iridos> ops,  I am in #maemo :P  sorry, thought I was in a different channel, my fault
Jun 16 09:30:47 <Sicelo> you'll end up with a seriously broken Maem
Jun 16 09:30:47 <Apic> But added plain Debian to /etc/apt/sources.list.de
Jun 16 09:30:52 <Apic> Ok.
Jun 16 09:30:55 <Sicelo> *Maemo
Jun 16 09:31:05 <Apic> So i cannot install aptitude at all without Breakage?
Jun 16 09:31:15 <Apic> Then i would like at least debootstrap
Jun 16 09:31:27 <dos1> maemo + plain debian? won't work...
Jun 16 09:31:29 <Apic> So i can set up a chroot Jail on a ext3 Image
Jun 16 09:31:31 <Apic> Ok
Jun 16 09:31:38 <Apic> Then i'll remove it from apt/
Jun 16 09:31:40 <Apic> Thanks.
Jun 16 09:31:46 <dos1> but aptitude from maemo repos should
Jun 16 09:32:01 <dos1> (at least to some extend, ncurses ui seems to segfault here)
Jun 16 09:32:12 <Apic> root@quartz:~# apt-get update && yes|apt-get dist-upgrade
Jun 16 09:32:17 <Apic> Ok
Jun 16 09:32:31 <Sicelo> debootstrap from debian does work on Maemo.. if you really need that, just install the deb. don't use debian repos
Jun 16 09:32:39 <Apic> So how can i install debootstrap? Or shall i rather use my host Laptop with a QEMU-VM?
Jun 16 09:32:53 <Apic> Ok, i'll try to install the .deb
Jun 16 09:33:08 <dos1> but if apt-get cannot resolve dependences, then probably something is broken and aptitude is not likely a proper solution
Jun 16 09:33:15 <Sicelo> i have 1.0.38
Jun 16 09:34:00 <dos1> and on maemo, you should refrain from "apt-get dist-upgrade" and similar - some maemo specific packages may expect to be installed via HAM and work incorrectly otherwiseHAM
Jun 16 09:34:07 <Sicelo> and btw Apic .. apt-get is not even recommended on Maemo.. use the built-in application manager as much as possible
Jun 16 09:34:13 <Sicelo> ah, yes dos1 :)
Jun 16 09:34:32 <Apic> Sicelo: Of what?
Jun 16 09:34:51 <dos1> and apt-get/aptitude may decide that some essential package is not used anymore and remove it
Jun 16 09:34:52 <Sicelo> of?
Jun 16 09:35:15 <Sicelo> 1.0.38 ... debootstrap version
Jun 16 09:35:18 <dos1> afair there is a popular problem with voip support being automatically removed by apt-get
Jun 16 09:36:00 <Sicelo> by the way, what do you intend to do with the system installed via debootstrap?
Jun 16 09:37:23 <Apic> Now i'm using Program Manager „aktualisieren“ (in German - means Update)
Jun 16 09:37:40 <Apic> I want to do _everything_ Debian can
Jun 16 09:37:49 <Apic> gcc, emacs, mc, nethack, screen, …
Jun 16 09:37:59 <Apic> bsdgames, bsdgames-nonfree, other Games…
Jun 16 09:38:20 <Apic> Maybe even CLANG
Jun 16 09:38:36 <Apic> Maybe sometime in the Future some Lisp, Forth, Erlang, Haskell…
Jun 16 09:38:54 <Sicelo> most likely EasyDebian is what you need
Jun 16 09:38:55 <Apic> GIMP, LibreOffice, …
Jun 16 09:39:08 <Sicelo> already provides most of what you want
Jun 16 09:39:10 <Apic> I tried EasyDeb like 23 Times and trashed it everytime
Jun 16 09:39:19 <Apic> It does not even do ionice -c 3 nice
Jun 16 09:39:23 <Apic> So it blocks the whole System
Jun 16 09:39:28 <Apic> Especially when unpacking
Jun 16 09:39:33 <Apic> And it's helluva outdated
Jun 16 09:39:35 <Apic> I
Jun 16 09:39:49 <Sicelo> mine been working fine. just installed htop in it a few minutes ago
Jun 16 09:39:51 <Apic> I once had a very good own Debian Chroot with debootstrap running
Jun 16 09:39:57 <Apic> Then it magically broke
Jun 16 09:40:03 <Apic> So i'll try to set up a new good one now.
Jun 16 09:41:32 <Sicelo> if you want up-to-date debian, the you'll need a newer kernel as well... therefore, you'll need to boot into that debian. depends how confident you feel about that, but that even the  best option
Jun 16 09:41:59 <Sicelo> of course, you can still break your maemo if you want.. after all, you can always reflash ;)
Jun 16 09:43:31 <Apic> I'll use Stable instead of Testing then
Jun 16 09:44:44 <Apic> I'll get debootstrap-udeb_1.0.60~bpo70+1_all.udeb from the Pool now…  will that work out?
Jun 16 09:45:45 <Sicelo> i don't know. i have a lower version than that
Jun 16 09:46:39 <Sicelo> mayb you need regular deb even.. not sure
Jun 16 09:46:41 <Apic> ic
Jun 16 09:46:56 <Apic> Then i'll use  debootstrap_1.0.26+squeeze1.tar.gz
Jun 16 09:47:28 <Apic> I'll be AFIRC for a while, playing Hedgewars
Jun 16 09:55:20 <Apic> Ok, back
Jun 16 09:56:35 <Apic> root@quartz:/home/apic/debootstrap# make
Jun 16 09:56:35 <Apic> rm -rf dev
Jun 16 09:56:38 <Apic> etc …
Jun 16 09:56:40 <Apic> Seems to run
Jun 16 09:57:31 <Apic> install -o root -g root -m 0644 devices.tar.gz /usr/share/debootstrap/
Jun 16 09:57:31 <Apic> root@quartz:/home/apic/debootstrap# 
Jun 16 09:57:32 <Apic> o/
Jun 16 11:13:30 <Sicelo> which dev are you deleting? :p
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Jun 16 13:01:24 <dos1> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1429737
Jun 16 13:05:36 <hurrian> 1802, slightly newer than a Maemo Summit device
Jun 16 13:07:09 <hurrian> not too exciting, it's pretty close to the final hardware.
Jun 16 13:12:24 <kerio> is that toilet paper
Jun 16 13:18:20 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: hehe, nice
Jun 16 15:27:24 <DocScrutinizer05> thank you freedesktop, Poettering, friends: http://privatepaste.com/363a589b62
Jun 16 15:29:45 <ampharos_> le systemd face
Jun 16 15:29:53 <DocScrutinizer05> r33b.net
Jun 16 15:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> farce?
Jun 16 17:07:43 <ecc3g> weird.  after a learning cycle on my really old bl5j battery, it claims the capacity increased somewhat...
Jun 16 17:12:14 <ecc3g> though maybe the previous learned capacity may have been pessimistic, it was 50 charge/discharge cycles ago...
Jun 16 17:23:01 <wizbit> I have a strange problem
Jun 16 17:23:29 <wizbit> My Nokia N900 remains stable, unless i open up the web browser
Jun 16 17:23:33 <wizbit> then it resets itself
Jun 16 17:23:59 <Apic> Install Firefox
Jun 16 17:23:59 <wizbit> i tried the built in browser and opera, both have the same effect
Jun 16 17:24:18 <wizbit> It even restarted when i opened Yaparri
Jun 16 17:25:01 <wizbit> this has happened since i changed swap to use micro SSD card
Jun 16 17:27:05 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Jun 16 17:28:15 <DocScrutinizer05> so I'd think the device resets on kernel panic when actually needing swap which is somehow broken/flawed
Jun 16 17:28:34 <wizbit> ill paste my start-up script
Jun 16 17:28:51 <DocScrutinizer05> unrealted to the app which causes incrased RAM usage and thus swap need
Jun 16 17:29:04 <DocScrutinizer05> unrelated
Jun 16 17:30:12 <wizbit> http://dpaste.com/0VE78AZ.txt  that is my startup script
Jun 16 17:30:17 <wizbit> inside /etc/event.d
Jun 16 17:31:28 <wizbit> DocScrutinizer05: first ill make my phone use internal swap
Jun 16 17:31:33 <wizbit> see if that makes a difference
Jun 16 17:31:37 <DocScrutinizer05> well, what can I say. looks good. *IF* those swap aprtitions are actually existing and correct and formatted
Jun 16 17:32:20 <wizbit> strangely my fstab still shows the old swap file
Jun 16 17:32:21 <wizbit> /dev/mmcblk0p3 none swap sw 0 0
Jun 16 17:32:22 <DocScrutinizer05> you're aware that you need a mkswap ?
Jun 16 17:32:54 <wizbit> yep i did that
Jun 16 17:32:57 <wizbit> but will redo it
Jun 16 17:32:58 <wizbit> just incase
Jun 16 17:33:04 <DocScrutinizer05> fstab is autogenerated during each boot, and doesn't know of your swap swap
Jun 16 17:33:50 <wizbit> DocScrutinizer05: should swap appear as the first partition or the last partition on the SSD card
Jun 16 17:33:58 <wizbit> or doesnt it matter
Jun 16 17:34:14 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*  don't think that makes much difference - for the swap
Jun 16 17:34:19 <wizbit> ok
Jun 16 17:34:28 <DocScrutinizer05> for general usability I'd put it last
Jun 16 17:35:48 <wizbit> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1999990784 bytes
Jun 16 17:36:03 <wizbit> maybe i forgot to do that before :S
Jun 16 17:36:42 <wizbit> cat /proc/swap
Jun 16 17:36:43 <wizbit> /dev/mmcblk1p2                          partition       1953112 0       -1
Jun 16 17:36:51 <wizbit> seems to be working manually now
Jun 16 17:37:34 <wizbit> DocScrutinizer05: should be startup script have a 60 second delay?
Jun 16 17:37:37 <wizbit> *my
Jun 16 17:37:49 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly not
Jun 16 17:39:37 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly, I think there are at least half a dozen prove-to-work implementations of alternative swap on N900. I don't feel like debugging the N+1'th
Jun 16 17:39:39 <wizbit> got lots of apps open now
Jun 16 17:39:43 <wizbit> stable so far
Jun 16 17:39:48 <wizbit> before it was a instant restart
Jun 16 17:40:11 <wizbit> i must of forgot to do mkswap 
Jun 16 17:40:17 <wizbit> so it wasnt writing to the swap properly
Jun 16 17:40:19 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly
Jun 16 17:41:49 <wizbit> DocScrutinizer05: is my method of creating a startup-script to initialize the swap the correct way to do it?
Jun 16 17:42:03 <wizbit> http://dpaste.com/0VE78AZ.txt
Jun 16 17:42:50 <wizbit> what file can i edit so fstab shows the correct swap at boottime?
Jun 16 17:43:17 <wizbit> then i wouldnt need to swap on and swap off
Jun 16 17:43:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know. please refer to existing solutions
Jun 16 17:43:46 <wizbit> ok
Jun 16 17:43:49 <wizbit> seems stable now
Jun 16 17:45:54 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not fstab defining the mounts, it's preinit and rcs doing mounts and fstab gets generated to match the existing mounts - more or less
Jun 16 17:46:20 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo is pretty fsckd up regarding fstab and mounting
Jun 16 17:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> there's an awk script that gets called to build fstab, *after* everything got mounted
Jun 16 17:47:25 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc CSSU has an improved awk script and even a way to not autobuild fstab during boot
Jun 16 17:47:51 <wizbit> /etc/event.d/rcS-late is the best solution
Jun 16 17:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05> take all of the above with a grain of salt, I didn't look into this stuff for literally years
Jun 16 17:49:18 <wizbit> it works!!!!
Jun 16 17:49:20 <wizbit> after a reboot
Jun 16 17:49:20 <wizbit> /dev/mmcblk1p2                          partition       1953112 0       -1
Jun 16 17:51:38 <Apic> o/
Jun 16 17:52:50 <wizbit> dam it just restarted again
Jun 16 17:52:51 <wizbit> arghghghghghg
Jun 16 17:53:33 <wizbit> maybe something wrong with the actual partitions i created with cfdisk
Jun 16 17:53:34 <dos1> damn it
Jun 16 17:53:58 <dos1> I have one bl-4j battery
Jun 16 17:54:11 <wizbit> could the battery cause restarts?
Jun 16 17:54:30 <dos1> and when I slide the keyboard too fast it restarts :<
Jun 16 17:54:46 <dos1> on standard bl-5j's it doesn't happen
Jun 16 17:55:09 <dos1> annoying
Jun 16 17:55:13 <wizbit> im replacing the battery
Jun 16 17:55:19 <dos1> hah, you were talking about restarts as well? :D
Jun 16 17:55:20 <wizbit> with standard one see if it makes a differnce
Jun 16 17:55:48 <dos1> my post was unrelated - just got angry at my device that just restarted ;)
Jun 16 17:57:07 <dos1> my restart is easily reproductible and happens exactly when sliding out the keyboard fast
Jun 16 17:57:52 <dos1> probably it makes some battery contact to loose a bit due to it being a bit smaller than it should be
Jun 16 17:59:19 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Jun 16 17:59:27 <kerio> why are you using a 4j instead of a 5j
Jun 16 17:59:36 <kerio> why would anyone go for a smaller battery instead of a bigger one?
Jun 16 17:59:37 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly ;-P
Jun 16 18:00:03 <dos1> I got it with some other phone, and I have no USB on N900
Jun 16 18:00:15 <DocScrutinizer05> use a 2 layers of paper in the notch of the battery in center of conatct side
Jun 16 18:00:26 <dos1> so when 5j goes flat, I replace it with 4j and charge 5j with some old nokia with broken screen :P
Jun 16 18:00:44 <wizbit> i had a akkro polarcell in mine stuck a bl-5j in it now
Jun 16 18:01:29 <wizbit> no difference just restarted :(
Jun 16 18:01:35 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jun 16 18:01:36 <dos1> actually I have second 5j somewhere as well, so this 4j here is rather temporary until I overcome my laziness and try to find it :P
Jun 16 18:01:37 <wizbit> i will use internal swap for a while now
Jun 16 18:04:52 <Guest2277> RIP N900 2010-2014 #neverforget
Jun 16 18:06:33 <FIQ> the 4j actually works inserting in N900 like that?
Jun 16 18:06:49 <FIQ> I thought you needed a specific nokia battery for each model (well, almost)
Jun 16 18:07:18 <FIQ> or is it only a matter of sizes?
Jun 16 18:08:34 <ecc3g> it should be just sizes, they're all Li-ion cells inside plus that size indication resistor...
Jun 16 18:09:24 <ecc3g> just hope that the pinout remains the same.
Jun 16 18:09:33 <FIQ> mhm
Jun 16 18:10:05 <FIQ> hm
Jun 16 18:10:10 <FIQ> my N900 screen broke
Jun 16 18:10:16 <FIQ> it's trivial to fix, but meh
Jun 16 18:10:34 <FIQ> not willing to do it when it's going to fall apart in any second anyway given its current state otherwise
Jun 16 20:26:43 <wizbit> no matter what i do
Jun 16 20:26:50 <wizbit> the n900 will crash if i use swap on the sd card
Jun 16 20:26:56 <wizbit> could it be my sd card is too slow
Jun 16 20:27:35 <ecc3g> my n900 will crash with swap on sd, and I open the back cover...
Jun 16 20:27:53 <wizbit> im using cfdisk to partition it
Jun 16 20:27:56 <wizbit> maybe thats the problem
Jun 16 20:30:38 <dos1> ecc3g: well, sd becomes unavailable when back cover is open, so that would be expected :P
Jun 16 20:31:12 <ecc3g> but of course...
Jun 16 20:44:49 <wizbit> how strange
Jun 16 20:44:57 <wizbit> if i manually do swap on and swap off
Jun 16 20:45:00 <wizbit> it doesnt crash
Jun 16 20:45:19 <wizbit> if i set the partition in rcS-late it does crash
Jun 16 21:05:51 <Sicelo> wizbit: tracker maybe? iirc you will get a crash if something tries to hog any partition of uSD. that's why i would check your tracker config. 
Jun 16 21:06:25 <Sicelo> partitioning with cfdisk is not likely to be the problem at all
Jun 16 21:12:59 <wizbit> oh i did install tracker-cg not long ago
Jun 16 21:13:01 <kerio> wizbit: also remember that during boot-time the partitions may be swapped
Jun 16 21:14:49 <wizbit> i just turned off all the tracker-cfg options
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