**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 20 03:00:00 2014 Jun 20 03:31:28 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 20 03:57:38 ~wb Jun 20 03:57:39 thx Jun 20 12:02:52 moin :) Jun 20 18:31:54 time to research GPS apps Jun 20 18:35:56 wizbit, why_ Jun 20 18:35:58 ? Jun 20 18:38:04 well i need some kind of GPS app on my phone Jun 20 18:38:07 incase i get lost Jun 20 18:38:34 * wizbit reads http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools Jun 20 18:39:02 this looks the best http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana Jun 20 18:41:53 ideally i need GPS for walkers Jun 20 18:43:29 wizbit, i too Jun 20 18:43:32 i will test out ovi maps first Jun 20 18:43:34 not for car Jun 20 18:45:17 ovi maps doesnt show a map at all Jun 20 18:47:18 Someone said that Nokia killed the Mapserver Jun 20 18:47:58 wizbit, did you say mainly walking Jun 20 18:48:40 do you have data? Jun 20 18:49:34 yes i walk Jun 20 18:49:40 so need some kind of GPS for walking Jun 20 18:49:54 the map server doesnt work on ovi maps Jun 20 18:53:22 wizbit: modRana should work for you, works best with a data connection Jun 20 18:53:52 ace will use that Jun 20 18:54:19 download tiles as you go, or alternately I have had varying success with downloading tiles. Jun 20 18:55:35 I still think map packs would be best for modRana but that is not available. Jun 20 18:56:13 modrana is in active development? Jun 20 18:56:46 * sixwheeledbeast remembers he was looking to download the tiles and get offline monav working in modRana Jun 20 18:57:34 :nod: I was hoping MartinK would be about I have a few things I was going to ask him Jun 20 19:00:13 ah http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide Jun 20 19:01:45 wizbit: m4rtink is modrana maintainer / developer, and yes he's very active Jun 20 19:02:02 ~seen m4rtink Jun 20 19:02:12 He seems to hide when I want him :) Jun 20 19:02:20 m4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 48d 6h 47m 26s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'. Jun 20 19:02:21 wise man Jun 20 19:02:28 :D Jun 20 19:03:05 Only because I give him more work to do Jun 20 19:03:20 ~+status Jun 20 19:03:20 Since Fri Jun 20 03:29:34 2014, there have been 0 modifications, 17 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 21 commands. I have been awake for 15h 33m 46s this session, and currently reference 119280 factoids. I'm using about 24256 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 75.8/1.93 child 0/0 Jun 20 19:03:49 what is the difference between ModRana and Modrana QML Jun 20 19:04:15 I'd guess modrana QML is using QML toolkit for GUI Jun 20 19:04:31 They are installed together at the moment, there are some differences minus the obvious code Jun 20 19:04:37 so most likely meant for HARM platforms Jun 20 19:06:00 should i be using QML on N900? Jun 20 19:06:24 http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/ Jun 20 19:06:46 I think QML is an error of evolution ;-) Jun 20 19:07:05 GTK Jun 20 19:07:13 like e.g. silverlight Jun 20 19:09:05 modrama works straight away :D Jun 20 19:09:07 thank you :D Jun 20 19:09:37 wizbit: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-06-08.log.html#t2014-06-08T23:47:34 Jun 20 19:09:50 GTK vs QML Jun 20 19:11:10 more like nodrama :D Jun 20 19:12:16 QML is really nice, but I hate that paradigm Nokia promoted: "everything should be in QML, augmented by C++ logic in case it couldn't be in QML" Jun 20 19:13:45 I used it few times to just augment QWidget-based UI with nicely animated QML controls and IMO that's where it trully rocks Jun 20 19:15:12 reminds me of edje from enlightenment Jun 20 19:16:06 I, as a matter of principle, don't like the approach to design GUIs with toolkits that pretend that the GUI was a webpage of sorts Jun 20 19:16:38 hmm, QML is hardly "webpage of sorts" Jun 20 19:16:58 if you wanna go this way, then do it completely and write your app as local html server Jun 20 19:17:06 it's rather a canvas, where you place elements and declaratively describe their interaction Jun 20 19:17:21 completely unrelated to html (maybe except using javascript syntax for scripting) Jun 20 19:17:34 exactly Jun 20 19:17:59 a webpage with web scripting Jun 20 19:18:01 but javascript is hardly only-html thing nowadays Jun 20 19:19:44 QML is almost exactly what edje is - just with edje using embryo/lua instead of js Jun 20 19:19:53 I generally headdesk when I read (maybe not exactly QML or JS related) advice like "make an invisible object consisting of one transparent pixel, where you then store your local variables" Jun 20 19:20:29 yeah, that may happen when you use things like QML or edje to implement logic Jun 20 19:20:34 I hate it and headdesk as well :P Jun 20 19:21:07 when you use QML/edje properly - to describe UI and *UI* interactions, then it's nice and clean Jun 20 19:21:49 my dbase and SEVAG mask generator hacks were not as braindamaged as *this* Jun 20 19:21:50 is evernote client work now? Jun 20 19:22:01 I can't auth :( Jun 20 19:22:28 and it provides nice means to separate UI from logic - which is funny, cause QML feels like it was built for exactly this purpose Jun 20 19:22:38 And, can anybody help me: I want VirtualBox image with SDK. Nokia delete it :( Jun 20 19:22:57 ~sb Jun 20 19:22:57 but then you see Nokia/Digia/whatever advicing to implement both UI and logic in QML Jun 20 19:22:57 extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Jun 20 19:23:01 and you die a little inside Jun 20 19:23:19 infobot, it is not fast start :) Jun 20 19:23:19 So we want to be stupid, right, is not fast start :) ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! Jun 20 19:23:37 is any more simple way to get SDK? Jun 20 19:23:48 snare2: download the VM image Jun 20 19:24:17 DocScrutinizer05, is worked links to VM images anywhere? Jun 20 19:24:25 Good, infobot wants to be in the army. A nasty stinking soldier. Jun 20 19:24:36 Infobot, I will crush you with my Marine Corps awesomeness Jun 20 19:24:37 You will crush you with my Marine Corps awesomeness? Jun 20 19:24:54 Infobot, test Jun 20 19:24:54 i guess test is not funny Jun 20 19:25:01 Infobot, you suck Jun 20 19:25:02 and very well I might add Jun 20 19:25:07 * Snafu777 laughs Jun 20 19:25:18 infobot, rm -rf / Jun 20 19:25:19 -rf / is an unperson Jun 20 19:25:48 Snafu777: see last URL in link the bit gave Jun 20 19:26:20 err Jun 20 19:26:28 snare2: ^^^ Jun 20 19:30:48 Whats up spoofy Jun 20 19:31:01 hm? Jun 20 19:31:16 infobot, what is the meaning of life? Jun 20 19:31:17 Snafu777: I think you lost me on that one Jun 20 19:31:31 infobot, what color of underwear am i wearing Jun 20 19:31:35 she's not Eliza Jun 20 19:31:41 Heh Jun 20 19:32:02 ~attack Snafu777 Jun 20 19:32:02 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Snafu777 Jun 20 19:32:12 Whoa Jun 20 19:32:16 Thats just mean Jun 20 19:32:34 infobot is a girl Jun 20 19:32:35 hmm Jun 20 19:32:38 ~undress Jun 20 19:32:38 undress is probably take me: _/\*/\_ Jun 20 19:32:40 ~gender Jun 20 19:32:41 I'm not sure Jun 20 19:33:05 ~hug Snafu777 Jun 20 19:33:06 * infobot gets a running start and tackle-hugs Snafu777 Jun 20 19:33:11 hah Jun 20 19:33:12 ok im done Jun 20 19:35:36 ~coffee Snafu777 Jun 20 19:35:37 * infobot steals some of eMHa's special coffee and gives it to Snafu777 on a silver platter. Jun 20 19:39:04 dos1: well, when people would use QML correctly then it might be a semi-OKish approach Jun 20 19:39:50 though I still fail to see why not using proper HTML then, right away Jun 20 19:40:38 infobot: give my coffee back! Jun 20 19:40:39 * infobot gives coffee back! to my Jun 20 19:40:41 html is rather poor way to describe ui Jun 20 19:40:44 :-) Jun 20 19:43:01 even on web - when you want your page to feel like an application, you often abstract html away as much as you can Jun 20 19:43:23 like, using JS, ajax? ;-) Jun 20 19:44:06 like using two-way binding, via some JS framework Jun 20 19:45:19 I'd rather connect QML to CSS than HTML, but way more powerful Jun 20 19:46:26 snare2: you found the ~1GB VM image? Jun 20 19:49:55 DocScrutinizer05, yes, thank you Jun 20 20:16:52 DocScrutinizer05, yes, thank you Jun 20 20:17:07 yw Jun 20 20:25:09 1GB? I thought it was more like 5GB. Jun 20 20:25:36 oh it's compressed, nevermind Jun 20 20:31:11 you wouldn't think I installed it ~18 hours ago :rolleyes: Jun 21 00:06:42 sigh...wish it were possible to make an answering machine out of an n900... Jun 21 00:14:29 why wouldn't it be possible? Jun 21 00:20:14 is there an application available? Jun 21 00:33:10 ecc3g: well, dunno, but it looks to me like something perfectly possible to implement ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 21 03:00:00 2014