**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 23 02:59:58 2014 Jun 23 03:25:36 wireless charging Jun 23 03:34:40 o.O Jun 23 03:35:01 honestly: did you use hostmode? Jun 23 03:35:57 honestly: do you have bq27200.sh installed? or bq27k-detail? Jun 23 03:36:31 what exactly shows it's "charging"? Jun 23 03:36:40 icon? LED? Jun 23 03:57:01 If I were to get a second n900, and use uboot to back it up. I should be able to just flash that backup to a different n900 correct ? Jun 23 03:57:59 uboot with backupmenu ? Jun 23 03:58:15 ya Jun 23 03:58:20 I'd say yes, but I've never done it myself Jun 23 04:01:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jun 23 04:38:09 b1101: backupmenu will restore any backup made on any other (N900) device. You don't flash the backup, you restore it using BM, identically to creating those backups Jun 23 04:40:10 so to restore or copy to another device, you need a (preferrably clean) working fremantle rootfs on that device, plus BM installed. I think robbiethe1st somewhere provides a COMBINED fiasco image that can flash such fremantle rootfs with BM already installed Jun 23 04:42:02 if you don't like to search for, and use such custom made fiasco image, you're absolutely fine with flashing stock PR1.3 and then install BM the usual way on the device, then bring backup file to device - probably on a uSD card most conveniently - and restore this backup to device using BM Jun 23 04:43:17 when you use the BM fiasco, you can skup step 2 "...and then install BM the usual way..." Jun 23 04:43:28 skip* Jun 23 04:44:49 you *can* also create your own fiasco from a BM backup file, but that is pretty cumbersome and not really worth anything, it's more complicated than what I explained above Jun 23 07:01:48 When you say 'pretending it's charging' do you mean in the status menu, led, both or something else? Jun 23 07:04:01 My n900 also once said its charging with the led..reboot fixed it Jun 23 07:52:30 DocScrutinizer05: the toolbar and the led showed charging Jun 23 07:52:57 the status menu didn't show the "usb connected" field Jun 23 10:10:17 DocScrutinizer05: how to 'reset' charger chip? Jun 23 10:11:16 asking because occassionally, my N900 will show very faint amber when charging, but if i restart, then it gives 'proper' glow. Jun 23 10:45:49 battery problem Jun 23 10:53:56 what battery problem? Jun 23 10:58:30 dim glow? Jun 23 10:58:44 sounds like a relative of Jun 23 10:58:46 ~xy Jun 23 10:58:47 somebody said xy was The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. Jun 23 10:59:23 do you talk about the pulsing amber? Jun 23 10:59:30 Sicelo: ^^^ Jun 23 11:01:01 pulsing amber is done by mce (pattern_charging) and mce is known to have a bug of reducing brightness of indicator LED to almost invisible *when you lock the device under ambient light >=1000Lux* Jun 23 11:02:11 luckily there's a fix for that (see my post on tmo), and a workaround (unlock, cover ALS in upper right corner, lock again) Jun 23 11:05:18 DocScrutinizer05: give link on tmo Jun 23 11:05:29 even better, put tmo link in ~mcebug Jun 23 11:05:50 kerio: please see #maemo-meeting of a few days ago Jun 23 11:06:04 thursday iirc Jun 23 11:07:50 ooops, #maemo-ssu Jun 23 11:08:21 [2014-06-19 Thu 20:40:19] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91849&highlight=MCE Jun 23 11:11:02 ~#maemo mcebug is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91849&highlight=MCE Jun 23 11:11:02 DocScrutinizer05: okay Jun 23 11:11:53 ~#maemo mcebug is also squashed by DocScrutinizer the nasty way Jun 23 11:11:53 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jun 23 11:16:04 kerio: happy now? Jun 23 11:16:16 very Jun 23 11:16:18 Sicelo: see ^^^ Jun 23 11:16:24 DocScrutinizer05: gimme all your money Jun 23 11:16:54 * DocScrutinizer05 throws 1EUR32 at kerio Jun 23 11:17:22 amazing :O Jun 23 11:18:14 kerio: thanks! reached a clearly defined status thanks to you Jun 23 11:19:41 available_money=0 looks much better to a computer nerd like me than 'available money="1,32EUR"; ' Jun 23 11:20:14 yeeeah Jun 23 11:20:18 your problem is that you're using a string Jun 23 11:20:29 for what's either an integer or a fixed-point decimal Jun 23 11:20:45 kudos to DocScrutinizer05 for the syntax Jun 23 11:21:14 yeah, but then I would need a struct of two linked lists, to handle the multiple amounts of alternative currencies Jun 23 11:22:06 >linked list Jun 23 11:22:08 >2014 Jun 23 11:22:14 never heard of cpu caches? Jun 23 11:23:45 kerio: damn you, found a note in swapped out heap memory about a 1000 NTD to lie about somewhere Jun 23 11:25:37 actaully that would be one linked list of structs Jun 23 11:25:51 but why are you using linked lists Jun 23 11:25:53 they're so awful Jun 23 11:26:35 because I talk machine code, not fancy 4G stuff like python or whatnot else Jun 23 11:27:07 especially so Jun 23 11:27:11 arrays are so much nicer Jun 23 11:27:17 and they're much more efficient Jun 23 11:27:26 in machine code all data structures of unknown rather dy or, you know Jun 23 11:28:10 an array of 1024 bytes Jun 23 11:28:20 an array will either be limited to a certain size, or... meh forget or Jun 23 11:28:27 you're not going to encounter 128 different currencies Jun 23 11:28:28 seriously Jun 23 11:29:29 I'm neither going to waste 1024 of my precious bytes, and you forget about such nasty currencies with names of 45chars length Jun 23 11:30:30 regardless, only DOGECOIN matters Jun 23 11:30:45 arrays are only them more efficient when you don't need malloc Jun 23 11:30:45 such value Jun 23 11:30:48 very coin Jun 23 11:30:52 wow Jun 23 11:31:19 bouncing around the memory to access stuff in a linked list is a pretty huge hit tho Jun 23 11:31:36 because of cache misses Jun 23 11:31:47 it has an impact on cache, right Jun 23 11:32:52 but when you allocate the elements of such linked list in close sequence, odds are you get even same memory page for them Jun 23 11:33:27 the famous contiguous linked list Jun 23 11:33:42 while for an array you always need a malloc of max size you expect Jun 23 11:33:58 or of one mmu page Jun 23 11:34:46 (mmu also creates a sort of linked list for you, just you don't notice it ;-P) Jun 23 11:35:17 though *my* mmu seems to work completely different, in my wetware Jun 23 11:37:04 particularly it seems that freeing memory is somehow flawed Jun 23 11:37:48 what dogecoin? that thing that weighs half a ton? Jun 23 11:38:10 and has a diameter of 70cm? Jun 23 11:38:18 pure gold Jun 23 11:40:22 http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/devisen-rohstoffe/die-30-millionen-euro-muenze-groesstes-goldstueck-der-welt-kommt-nach-deutschland-12742452.html Jun 23 11:41:18 oh sorry! not _half _a ton. And 80cm, not 70 Jun 23 11:41:50 Dogecoin is an open source peer-to-peer digital currency, favored by Shiba Inus worldwide. Jun 23 11:43:01 now do you think you can make me use google a third time in 3 minutes? no way ;-P Jun 23 11:43:38 http://dogecoin.com/ Jun 23 11:44:27 also "Shiba Inus" sounds like I don't _want_ to sacrifice vlauable bytes of my wetware storage for it. Told ya memfree() doesn't work Jun 23 11:44:42 but they're so cute Jun 23 11:45:00 wetware storage hasa crappy garbage collector too Jun 23 11:45:19 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what made him remember that 1000kg gold coin Jun 23 11:45:19 are you saying that cute dogs are garbage Jun 23 11:45:33 I started to mine dogecoins, just for the sake of saying "look I have DOGE so cute" Jun 23 11:45:40 exactly Jun 23 11:45:44 it was just before its value started to skyrocket Jun 23 11:45:48 "skyrocket" Jun 23 11:46:22 well, yes - one day i had few cents, few days later could buy new N900 from that :P Jun 23 11:46:53 how many million DOGE did you have Jun 23 11:47:21 around 1.5 M Jun 23 11:47:32 at its peak it was worth more than 3 BTC Jun 23 11:47:48 and BTC was pretty high as well Jun 23 11:47:56 * DocScrutinizer05 throws a 1000kg "Australian Kangaroo" at kerio Jun 23 11:48:08 now THATS coolman! Jun 23 11:48:21 dos1: cool, gimme a dogecoin Jun 23 11:48:33 hold on i don't even think i still have a wallet Jun 23 11:49:15 I don't know where I have my one - it's for sure not on N900 ;) Jun 23 11:49:16 you won't need wallet for "Australian Kangaroo", you need heavy truck ;-P Jun 23 11:50:45 * sixwheeledbeast throws 1000kg of feathers at DocScrutinizer05 ;) Jun 23 11:51:11 dos1: wait what?! you say you own virtual currency of any ral value, in a volume of 1.5 million?? Jun 23 11:51:24 real* Jun 23 11:51:43 when I got it it didn't have any value :) Jun 23 11:51:52 and now it's less Jun 23 11:51:58 ooh Jun 23 11:52:00 already exchanged some of it Jun 23 11:52:39 * DocScrutinizer05 sneezes, wipes away a few feathers Jun 23 11:54:51 * DocScrutinizer05 puts a kolibri and a refrigerator into a schroedinger box and places the box on a scale Jun 23 11:55:09 making sense is optional Jun 23 11:55:31 don't ask me what's the power source of the fridge ;-P Jun 23 11:55:41 jaska: exactly Jun 23 11:56:02 statement both makes sense and doesn't Jun 23 11:56:08 until it's read Jun 23 11:56:17 then this superstate collapses ;) Jun 23 11:56:22 jaska: is the kolibri already frozen? and how much weighs the box if it isn't? Jun 23 11:57:12 dos1: fine, you got it :-D Jun 23 11:58:10 what a shitty day, sipping on a coffee *without milk* :-o Jun 23 11:58:46 meh, I just read "spinning" :p Jun 23 11:58:54 damn quantum mechanics Jun 23 15:06:35 thanks DocScrutinizer05. i guess that explains why a reboot 'fixes' the problem Jun 23 15:07:13 Sicelo: sure, a reboot counts as unlock ;-) Jun 23 15:07:40 the ambient light level only gets checked during device unlocked Jun 23 15:08:09 when you lock the device in bright ambient light, the LED stays dim no matter what the ambient light will change to Jun 23 15:09:05 N900 and its surprises, hehe. Jun 23 15:09:10 :-) Jun 23 15:09:19 got me a new keymat for mine this weekend :) Jun 23 15:09:41 yeah, i recall on last chaos camp I cursed a lot about N900 LED seemingly broken now on my device Jun 23 15:09:53 Sicelo: where from? Jun 23 15:10:05 those get increasingly hard to source Jun 23 15:11:04 some shop had a broken N900, with keymat in perfect condition. Jun 23 15:11:10 ooh Jun 23 15:11:30 i wanted the whole device (without screen part) but they refused Jun 23 15:11:34 how many broken N900 had the shop? Jun 23 15:11:40 just one Jun 23 15:11:43 meh Jun 23 15:12:50 thanks for the info anyway :) Jun 23 17:50:39 is T9.1+thumb1 the version with the reported issues with libc6 Jun 23 17:50:49 ~cssu-thumb Jun 23 17:50:49 methinks cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb Jun 23 18:05:46 ~jr-tools Jun 23 18:05:46 from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jun 23 18:21:25 http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ Jun 23 21:14:21 So we have a recommended source for the tiny PH00 screws holding the display module together? Jun 23 21:14:33 s/So/Do/ Jun 23 21:14:33 sixwheeledbeast meant: Do we have a recommended source for the tiny PH00 screws holding the display module together? Jun 23 23:10:10 not really Jun 23 23:10:54 they are pretty standard, on interwenbs you can get a dozen per cent, or you pay 7$ for 4 Jun 24 02:20:06 Hmm.. apparently the other windows switch to portrait when the calling application pops up, while portrait mode for other things is disabled. Jun 24 02:20:41 * Maxdamantus wonders if setting the dialing pad to landscape will help. Jun 24 02:53:51 that's the problem that complete screen "riotates" when going portrait. Of course this will be seen on other windows as well until the dialer actually shows up. Switching to another task is supposed to switch to landscape when that task's display is set to show in landscape, but again switching to other window and rotating screen might have a time skew/delay between them. Jun 24 02:55:12 Is jOERG here? Jun 24 02:55:49 I'm the dude who made edits to the dual SIM article btw Jun 24 02:56:01 probably tasks that have no particular setting/preference will get displayed in whatever format the last foreground task left it Jun 24 02:56:05 it's me ;-) Jun 24 02:56:08 hi! Jun 24 02:56:12 ~joerg Jun 24 02:56:13 hmm... joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org Jun 24 02:56:14 Hey Jun 24 02:57:01 Tried to explain things in a simple, straightforward manner as much as possible, but any input on my edits will be much appreciated. Jun 24 02:58:13 I just found the https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dual_SIM&oldid=605949464#Dual_SIM_Dual_Standby_.28DSDS.29 more enlightening / to the point Jun 24 02:58:53 but my texting is abysmal, that's why usually Sebastian and Werner do that ;-) Jun 24 02:59:25 (aka dos1, wpwrak) Jun 24 02:59:35 I'd prefer it to be a tad brief though **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 24 02:59:59 2014