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Jun 27 06:46:19 <sixwheeledbeast> That was my thought, checking the source out.
Jun 27 09:33:43 <DocScrutinizer05> weird request: can somebody point me to the sources for N900-nitdroid please? Or even to the particular source for ECI accessory (headset buttons)
Jun 27 09:51:52 <Wnt> DocScrutinizer05: is this what you are looking for? https://gitorious.org/android-n900
Jun 27 09:52:47 <Wnt> one of the repositories under that
Jun 27 09:54:23 <Wnt> the original author might be able to help you that exact piece of source: https://twitter.com/drunkdebugger
Jun 27 09:56:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Wnt: looking for the multibutton headset driver aka ECI
Jun 27 09:58:21 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly to be found under /dev/eci*
Jun 27 09:59:47 <DocScrutinizer05>  http://nitdroid.de/category/nitdroidnews/   >>Hier eine Liste aller Sachen, die laut e-yes “funktionieren sollten”:  [...] ECI accessory (headset buttons) <<
Jun 27 10:00:06 <DocScrutinizer05> AIUI it works on N900 too, right?
Jun 27 10:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mxr
Jun 27 10:17:54 <DocScrutinizer05> timeless: mxr broken or empty?
Jun 27 10:18:41 <DocScrutinizer05> timeless: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/27/plasma-desktopW27898.png
Jun 27 14:45:55 <timeless> DocScrutinizer05: is this using mxr.maemo.org = nslookup(timeless.justdate.net) ?
Jun 27 14:49:03 <timeless> hrm
Jun 27 14:49:22 <timeless> it does seem somewhat unhappy
Jun 27 15:08:12 <DocScrutinizer05> timeless: tis is wit ezc/hosts hack
Jun 27 15:08:32 <DocScrutinizer05> timeless: this is wit etc/hosts hack
Jun 27 15:29:36 * timeless nods
Jun 27 15:29:41 <timeless> yeah, something's wrong
Jun 27 15:41:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo mxr is <reply>`echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
Jun 27 15:41:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Jun 27 15:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mxr
Jun 27 15:41:57 <infobot> `echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
Jun 27 15:42:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo mxr.maemo.org is <reply>see mxr
Jun 27 15:42:27 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jun 27 15:42:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mxr.maemo.org 
Jun 27 15:42:41 <infobot> `echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
Jun 27 16:10:04 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo mxr is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-25.log.html#t2013-10-25T23:30:42 or simply do `echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
Jun 27 16:10:04 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jun 27 16:10:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mxr.maemo.org 
Jun 27 16:10:09 <infobot> rumour has it, mxr is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-25.log.html#t2013-10-25T23:30:42 or simply do `echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
Jun 27 16:11:12 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: hi
Jun 27 16:11:28 <DocScrutinizer05> hi Shapeshifter! long time no see
Jun 27 16:13:24 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: Hello, hello. Still have my N900, daily use :) In any case, I got a question for you - not sure if it's answerable... Imagine a smart watch, but with a 5.25" screen. Would it be possible to power something like this using just 2 AA batteries?
Jun 27 16:13:35 <Shapeshifter> I thought you might ballpark this
Jun 27 16:13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jun 27 16:14:07 <Shapeshifter> power it for a couple of hours, that is
Jun 27 16:14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> why wouldn't it be possible? the question is for how long you can power it
Jun 27 16:14:44 <Shapeshifter> I'm sure you're familiar with the Psion 5?
Jun 27 16:15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> this question is impossible to answer without a bunch of very specific details about the platform
Jun 27 16:15:22 <DocScrutinizer05> not exactly familiar
Jun 27 16:15:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I have an idea what a device it is
Jun 27 16:17:10 <Shapeshifter> I was thinking, if it were possible to cram a small arm board in there and put linux on it. But I don't think it's possible, since there's no space for a large enough battery to power the board and screen and wifi and everything for any reasonable length. But what if it's just an oversized smart watch? i.e. only needing to power a graphics display and bluetooth and add a protocol for transferring keystrokes and display taps. I'm not ...
Jun 27 16:17:16 <Shapeshifter> ... sure if bluetooth has sufficient bandwith though, either
Jun 27 16:18:01 <Shapeshifter> Basically I still miss my old psion. It's the perfect portable. The N900 is neat but just a bit too small. the keyboard is usable but cramped. The Psion was absolutely perfect. You could write actual work on that thin
Jun 27 16:18:05 <Shapeshifter> g
Jun 27 16:18:15 <Shapeshifter> it's just an idea
Jun 27 16:18:49 <Shapeshifter> but if it's impossible to revive the Psion 5 "neo900 style", as in full hw replacement, which I think it is, maybe it's possible to convert it into a dumb peripheral at least
Jun 27 16:19:12 <Shapeshifter> because then one could place a fairly large battery pack where the original board was.
Jun 27 16:19:39 <Shapeshifter> http://www.rugged-portable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Psion_5mx_disassembly.jpg
Jun 27 16:19:58 <Shapeshifter> http://www.rugged-portable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Psion_5mx_side.jpg such a brilliant keyboard... ;_;
Jun 27 16:23:22 <Shapeshifter> but it's probably very difficult. smart watches communicate very little it seems. but if one were to write text or even view animations/video on the screen, there would have to be too much communication.
Jun 27 16:23:36 <Shapeshifter> aww man, I just wish they would build me a modern psion one of these days...
Jun 27 16:24:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you for sure can upgrade the thing ala GTA04 or NeoN, doing a full swap of main PCB
Jun 27 16:26:33 <DocScrutinizer05> see for example ben nanonote
Jun 27 16:27:18 <DocScrutinizer05> which is using a not too bad CPU, running linux, should fit into the psion 5 case
Jun 27 16:27:49 <Shapeshifter> mhh
Jun 27 16:28:12 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no ben nanonote swap board availsble, but you *could* build your own one, customized for the psion
Jun 27 16:29:39 <Humpelstilzchen> DocScrutinizer05: do you usually send feedback mails when you got a donation?
Jun 27 16:31:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Humpelstilzchen: yes, we do, though only around once per week
Jun 27 16:32:11 <DocScrutinizer05> for paypal the notification scheme is yet to get established though
Jun 27 16:32:26 <Humpelstilzchen> DocScrutinizer05: k I donated on June 16 but havn't got a confirmaiton mail yet
Jun 27 16:32:43 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Jun 27 16:33:00 <DocScrutinizer05> plase /query dos1
Jun 27 16:33:05 <DocScrutinizer05> please
Jun 27 16:33:06 <Humpelstilzchen> k
Jun 27 16:34:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Humpelstilzchen: please also check your spam folder!
Jun 27 16:35:07 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: that nanonote is really tiny. so it were actually possible...
Jun 27 16:35:10 <Humpelstilzchen> DocScrutinizer05: solved, thanks
Jun 27 16:35:20 <Shapeshifter> too bad it looks unusable
Jun 27 16:35:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Humpelstilzchen: ooh, that been fast
Jun 27 16:35:40 <Shapeshifter> that keyboard is even worse than the n900
Jun 27 16:35:40 <dos1> :)
Jun 27 16:36:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: I know. I didn't suggest the device, I talked about the mainboard
Jun 27 16:36:48 <Shapeshifter> sure
Jun 27 16:36:49 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, the system
Jun 27 16:37:24 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean by "could build my own"? Actual board design?
Jun 27 16:37:41 <Shapeshifter> i.e. differently shaped pcb with parts moved around?
Jun 27 16:41:44 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, in theory you can do exactly this
Jun 27 16:42:21 <Shapeshifter> well yeah. not me though..
Jun 27 17:28:16 <DocScrutinizer05> THIS thing had an incredibly great kbd (no surprise, right ;-D )  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_200LX
Jun 27 17:32:16 <kerio> you know what has a good keyboard? my laptop
Jun 27 17:33:05 <kerio> and it's thinner than that
Jun 27 17:46:04 <DocScrutinizer05> simply no kbd ever connected to a laptop has a kbd that can compete with the HP keys used in their calculators and the 200LX
Jun 27 17:58:14 <ecc3g> dang, I still have my 200LX.
Jun 27 17:58:25 <bencoh> :)
Jun 27 17:58:28 <ecc3g> and a broken 100LX
Jun 27 17:59:18 <ecc3g> the keyboard is sturdy and tactile indeed... but still too small to touchtype
Jun 27 17:59:51 <ecc3g> have to type just like on the n900... using the two-thumb method.
Jun 27 17:59:53 <jaska> i drooled at those 100/200lx as a kid
Jun 27 18:01:07 <jaska> sadly tablets and phones ate the sector
Jun 27 18:01:09 <ecc3g> I was using it as a pda for several years... pretty good, even great battery life... alas, no network access
Jun 27 18:03:34 <ecc3g> Forgot how many hours I could get out of two NiCd AA's... only 1.5Wh of power there, then again, it has no backlight :o
Jun 27 18:04:04 <ecc3g> Morphy-1. HA.
Jun 27 18:04:26 <ecc3g> or what was it called...
Jun 27 18:04:46 <ecc3g> basically the "Neo900" of the 200LX.
Jun 27 18:39:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope not
Jun 27 19:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/source/72b729c2a4   (ECI aka multibutton wired headset, this time for real err for N900)
Jun 27 19:14:49 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders why *nobody* ever ported that to e.g. maemo kernel-power yet
Jun 27 19:15:51 <DocScrutinizer05> now the question is: Does Neo900 need to support it at all?
Jun 27 19:17:02 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: pali: ^^^
Jun 27 19:55:06 <sixwheeledbeast> I'd be happy if the one button would work...
Jun 27 20:26:38 <DocScrutinizer05> it does
Jun 27 20:29:13 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, seems I trunkated that URL above
Jun 27 20:29:33 <DocScrutinizer05> https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/source/72b729c2a46d4226822776f198370e30a1b3dc91:include/linux/input/eci.h#L32
Jun 27 20:29:54 <DocScrutinizer05> https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/source/72b729c2a46d4226822776f198370e30a1b3dc91:drivers/input/misc/eci.c
Jun 27 20:51:42 <sixwheeledbeast1> grr...pidgin
Jun 27 20:54:31 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ping
Jun 27 20:54:32 <infobot> ~pong
Jun 27 20:58:59 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: rather IRC
Jun 27 20:59:12 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast (~paul@2a01:348:6:860a:3d01:9f4:953c:ca1c) has left this server (*.net *.split).
Jun 27 21:00:17 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: Ah, yes however, I get "Excess Flood" messages in Pidgin and have to kill it.
Jun 28 00:18:09 <DocScrutinizer05> collateral effect of server problems and netsplits
Jun 28 00:19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I've seen exactly same with Konversation when trying to log in to a server that's suffering overload
Jun 28 00:20:59 <DocScrutinizer05> IP packets queue up in a router or Turing knows where, then eventually rush in to server like a hysteric mob, and server says "bye bye! that's too much per time unit"
Jun 28 00:24:37 <nox-> stupid kids packeting...
Jun 28 00:47:40 <DocScrutinizer05> nox-: reference?
Jun 28 00:48:43 <nox-> i just mean freenode splits are usually caused by ddos'ing kids
Jun 28 00:48:57 <nox-> or can be
Jun 28 01:15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> aah, yup
Jun 28 01:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> either kids or infantile stupid grown ups
Jun 28 01:16:42 <DocScrutinizer05> who have a weird deficit to compensate
Jun 28 01:17:35 <nox-> *nod*
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