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Jul 11 04:47:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you asked for refund?
Jul 11 04:49:13 <DocScrutinizer05> b1101: please don't miss http://neo900.org/donate-gdc
Jul 11 06:32:30 <vakkov>  module "QtMobility.connectivity" is not installed 
Jul 11 06:32:31 <vakkov>      import QtMobility.connectivity 1.2       I have enabled mobility 1.2 in the .pro file. Is there a qtmobility qml plugin for connectivity?
Jul 11 06:33:53 <APic> Re.
Jul 11 10:08:47 <zGrr> moin :)
Jul 11 10:30:32 <DocScrutinizer05> moin!
Jul 11 10:30:58 <DocScrutinizer05> we just publihsed part 2 of our Neo900 trilogy: http://neo900.org/news/july-trilogy-part-ii-the-present
Jul 11 10:34:21 <kerio> fuck yeah 1gb ram
Jul 11 10:34:25 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: feature request: 2gb ram
Jul 11 10:36:22 <APic> o/
Jul 11 10:36:36 <APic> DocScrutinizer is the Best.
Jul 11 10:37:40 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: doesn't fir on OMAP3
Jul 11 10:37:50 <DocScrutinizer05> fit, even
Jul 11 10:38:02 <kerio> really? :O
Jul 11 10:38:12 <DocScrutinizer05> not enough address lines
Jul 11 10:38:15 <kerio> it has a 1gb hard limit? :(
Jul 11 10:38:18 <kerio> goddammit TI
Jul 11 10:38:27 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Jul 11 10:39:16 <bencoh> oO
Jul 11 10:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> what the heck do you want with 2GB RAM? you have 0.25GB right now, on your N900
Jul 11 10:39:55 <bencoh> love the diagram btw
Jul 11 10:40:20 <zGrr> .25gb is definitely NOT enough.
Jul 11 10:40:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, it's already great, but wait for the HTML version which has awesome hove textx with additional info for every single component
Jul 11 10:41:12 <DocScrutinizer05> hover texts even
Jul 11 10:41:43 <zGrr> Why do you insist on keeping the N900 physical form for Neo900?
Jul 11 10:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> because we got no better one
Jul 11 10:42:17 <zGrr> Hmm...
Jul 11 10:42:45 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, we could use cases of laptops... ;-P
Jul 11 10:42:45 <zGrr> Don't chinese manufacturers have anything to offer?
Jul 11 10:42:53 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Jul 11 10:43:09 <zGrr> There were some good UMPC designs.
Jul 11 10:43:56 <DocScrutinizer05> with matching resistive touchscreen? with LCD display? with keyboard? with antennas?
Jul 11 10:49:03 <zGrr> hmm
Jul 11 10:49:26 <zGrr> The Chinese tend to use wacoms
Jul 11 10:50:00 <DocScrutinizer05> wacom doesn't build r-ts afaik
Jul 11 10:50:28 <DocScrutinizer05> not already a showstopper but sure I prefer r-ts over cheesy c-ts
Jul 11 10:50:38 <zGrr> I would already buy OQO Model 3-China if it wasn't so fscking expensive.
Jul 11 10:50:57 <zGrr> I also prefer resistive.
Jul 11 10:51:31 <zGrr> I like wacom though
Jul 11 10:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> well, what do you like from wacom?
Jul 11 10:51:58 <zGrr> precission
Jul 11 10:52:03 <zGrr> and
Jul 11 10:52:15 <DocScrutinizer05> seems our N900 r-ts is as precise as it gets
Jul 11 10:52:24 <zGrr> Yes.
Jul 11 10:52:56 <zGrr> Nowdays the chinese typically sell dual mode - capacitive/wacom
Jul 11 10:53:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and Neo900 even comes with gesture/dualtouch :-D
Jul 11 10:53:36 <bencoh> dualtouch ? waitwaithow ?
Jul 11 10:53:50 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, SG Note-2 has such a critter, actually bearable
Jul 11 10:54:01 <zGrr> wacom with the pen, and capacitive with the finger
Jul 11 10:54:19 <bencoh> hmm
Jul 11 10:54:23 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: I said "I want dualtouch!" and it happened ;-)
Jul 11 10:54:33 <bencoh> magic
Jul 11 10:54:57 <bencoh> hm, seriously though ... whathow ? :)
Jul 11 10:55:00 <zGrr> The Chinese - at least those that I know don't use keyboards.
Jul 11 10:55:24 <bencoh> (looks like we're on wrong chan again btw :D)
Jul 11 10:55:26 <zGrr> And resistive touchscreens are not very good at handwriting recognition.
Jul 11 10:55:36 <zGrr> And capacitive are even worse.
Jul 11 10:56:08 <zGrr> With the Wacom (compatible) pen they get even pressure sensor.
Jul 11 10:57:12 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1393889#post1393889
Jul 11 11:00:51 <bencoh> oh ... okay :)
Jul 11 11:00:54 <bencoh> thx
Jul 11 11:02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> yw :-)
Jul 11 11:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> zGrr: (Chinese don't use kbd) well, that's no surprise, given their weird 4000 "char" writing
Jul 11 11:04:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet that's more convenient to enter via handwriting
Jul 11 11:04:37 <zGrr> DocScrutinizer05: Japanese use keyboard with no problem.
Jul 11 11:06:32 <zGrr> The entire Chinese alphabet consists of 214 radicals all characters are built from. If you had 214 keys keyboard, it could be much more convenient than handwriting. 
Jul 11 11:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, no idea :-D
Jul 11 11:07:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I seen a few colleagues in TPE writing mails
Jul 11 11:07:40 <zGrr> TPE? What's that?
Jul 11 11:07:54 <DocScrutinizer05> but never wrapped my head around it, all I seen been that they need up to 5 keystrokes for one "char"
Jul 11 11:08:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Taipei
Jul 11 11:08:45 <zGrr> Yes, they do use keyboards, I believe. They have some weird keyboard for that. 
Jul 11 11:09:58 <zGrr> I guess invented by the Taiwanese expats in Japan.
Jul 11 11:12:13 <DocScrutinizer05> https://totalueberwachung.de/blog/category/openezx http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/11/01/openmoko-media-player-and-web-browser/
Jul 11 11:14:06 <zGrr> Nice time you had there, right?
Jul 11 11:30:32 <zGrr> Why the handhelds are practically extinct species?
Jul 11 11:31:30 <APic> Huh? Really?
Jul 11 11:36:54 <zGrr> I think so.
Jul 11 11:37:37 <zGrr> The last models were released in 2011
Jul 11 11:38:01 <zGrr> You can hardly get them even on ebay auctions.
Jul 11 11:38:47 <zGrr> Bloody tablets and stupid smartphones rule the market. 
Jul 11 15:14:34 <sixwheeledbeast> Anybody else use the "My Location" and having trouble with it not displaying your location.
Jul 11 22:01:44 <DocScrutinizer05> HEY GALS&GUYS, YOU RECEIVED A VOTING BALLOT MAIL!
Jul 11 22:03:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and if not, then you can request a resend on http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php
Jul 11 22:05:50 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a token for almost every one of our 60k users
Jul 11 22:06:28 <DocScrutinizer05> don't hope for a council when only 0.01% of you bother to vote for one
Jul 11 22:09:29 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you think you don't need a council, but you will notice how wrong you were when it vanishes
Jul 11 22:10:54 <DocScrutinizer05> we done a hell of a job to set up a infra for you that "just works", but even such robust infra and orga is "bitrotting"
Jul 11 22:27:40 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: i could be wrong, but i seem to remember we could set the order of the choices .. is this no longer there?
Jul 11 22:29:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: they are sorted the sequence you click them. When you don't like what you did, click to the entry in the list and it jumps back to your list of choices
Jul 11 22:31:23 <DocScrutinizer05> when you want to start anew, just click on all your votes to push them back to the list of candidates to choose from, and you can start again by clicking on your #1 choice, then #2 aso
Jul 11 22:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I admit this voting page could use a bit more of smartness and help
Jul 11 22:33:04 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously not done by a javascript wizard like dos1
Jul 11 22:33:14 <Sicelo> :)
Jul 11 22:33:22 <Sicelo> i have cast my vote
Jul 11 22:33:53 <DocScrutinizer05> great! one more :-)
Jul 11 22:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> soon we will trip the 6 dozen votes I guess
Jul 11 23:41:54 <Kilroo> I don't think I have a garage account.
Jul 11 23:42:03 <Kilroo> I was wondering why I couldn't find the email.
Jul 12 00:34:51 <APic> Good Night (UGT).
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