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Jul 28 14:08:04 <zamm> hello
Jul 28 14:08:32 <zamm> DocScrutinizer51 hello how are you
Jul 28 14:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hi. Considerable well, thanks
Jul 28 14:09:12 <zamm> well
Jul 28 14:09:39 <zamm> so I was wondering where has gone the keyboard plus
Jul 28 14:10:26 <zamm> I mean the thing which appears as you push the special key+Sym
Jul 28 14:10:46 <zamm> the blue arrow is the special key
Jul 28 14:11:34 <zamm> I can't access to all the special characters in that virtual keyboard plus
Jul 28 14:11:57 <zamm> DocScrutinizer51 thx in advance for any answer
Jul 28 14:12:33 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Jul 28 14:12:48 <zamm> I mean idk how is possible maybe messing up... well anyway it disappeared
Jul 28 14:13:05 <DocScrutinizer05> strange
Jul 28 14:13:13 <DocScrutinizer05> thought about reflash?
Jul 28 14:13:33 <zamm> I can't summon the damn virtual special char keyboard
Jul 28 14:13:41 <zamm> wtf noo way
Jul 28 14:13:44 <zamm> flash no
Jul 28 14:15:18 <DocScrutinizer05> nb the specialchar vkbd only shows up when focus is on a text input field
Jul 28 14:15:36 <zamm> what?
Jul 28 14:15:47 <zamm> yes
Jul 28 14:15:53 <zamm> ok I got it
Jul 28 14:15:57 <zamm> well it is
Jul 28 14:16:09 <zamm> I overtested 
Jul 28 14:16:24 <zamm> no way to get it back
Jul 28 14:16:29 <zamm> like once
Jul 28 14:17:04 <zamm> it is focused even now with irssi i am
Jul 28 14:18:09 <DocScrutinizer05> please go to desktop, type a key on kbd. contacts will open, with textfield for searchstring, with your char you typed. This *still doesn't accept blue+SYM*, you need to click into the text iput field so the cursor | is showing in there. *then* type blue, then type ctrl/SYM
Jul 28 14:19:11 <DocScrutinizer05> when it doesn't work, reflash is all I know to suggest
Jul 28 14:20:25 <zamm> ok that must be the lonely way which I did not try yet so it must work thx now yes thx
Jul 28 14:20:47 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry?
Jul 28 14:21:56 <zamm> first I need to deciphrate your istructions and then I can thank you
Jul 28 14:22:46 <zamm> ok deciphrated
Jul 28 14:24:28 <zamm> fuck that is not a solution man
Jul 28 14:25:01 <zamm> just another way of testing it
Jul 28 14:25:15 <zamm> unsuccessfull
Jul 28 14:25:19 <zamm> fuck
Jul 28 14:25:38 <zamm> maybe I removed tha package?
Jul 28 14:26:47 <zamm> DocScrutinizer51 don't let me cry
Jul 28 14:32:49 <zamm> I got it
Jul 28 14:33:02 <zamm> it was as I installed mscim
Jul 28 14:34:55 <zamm> it's surely a messy package mscim
Jul 28 14:45:06 <zamm> yyyyyyeeeesssss
Jul 28 14:45:29 <zamm> DocScrutinizer51 the solution is to disable the damn mscim option
Jul 28 14:45:53 <zamm> to return to hildon option in the damn thing mscim
Jul 28 14:45:57 <DocScrutinizer05> great that I was able to help ;-P
Jul 28 14:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> now what's mscim?
Jul 28 14:46:32 <zamm> well idk
Jul 28 14:46:42 <zamm> I still dont know dude
Jul 28 14:46:56 <zamm> I installed it to finnd out
Jul 28 14:47:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yay
Jul 28 14:47:03 <zamm> but idk
Jul 28 14:47:36 <zamm> %=¥ yey
Jul 28 14:48:01 <DocScrutinizer05> you're probably better of with doing a BM backup before installing stuff "for test", which you could restore after you finished your test 
Jul 28 14:48:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Jul 28 14:48:17 <infobot> backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Jul 28 14:48:24 <zamm> thx
Jul 28 14:48:34 <zamm> I hope I am able to
Jul 28 14:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> umm yes, you should: http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/
Jul 28 14:56:59 <bencoh> scim is an input method
Jul 28 14:57:15 <bencoh> (quite known by asian languages learners ;)
Jul 28 14:58:00 <zamm> hey is up the neo900 project?
Jul 28 14:58:07 <zamm> how s up about that
Jul 28 14:58:19 <bencoh> zamm: btw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64834
Jul 28 14:59:28 <zamm> tthx
Jul 28 14:59:56 <zamm> I would also remove the transition effects
Jul 28 15:00:01 <RMS> I would like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Jul 28 15:00:15 <bencoh> bleh :]
Jul 28 15:00:19 <bencoh> dafuq
Jul 28 15:00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> zamm: (Neo900) we're about to build 2nd prototype version, which will already be capable of demonstrating most of the functions of the final product
Jul 28 15:00:31 <kerio> is that a twitch copypaste
Jul 28 15:00:55 <kerio> also, linux is hardly just POSIX
Jul 28 15:01:07 <GNU_FSF_RMS> I would like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Jul 28 15:01:23 <zamm> and I suppose neo900 will be able to make coffee and turn into transformer kind of
Jul 28 15:02:08 <jaykru_>  Loonix is Loonix, go away RMS
Jul 28 15:03:48 <DocScrutinizer05> fools
Jul 28 15:04:06 <zamm> yes
Jul 28 15:04:08 <zamm> ?
Jul 28 15:04:20 <zamm> lolz
Jul 28 15:04:21 <jon_y> I don't thnk that was RMS
Jul 28 15:04:24 <zamm> you banned
Jul 28 15:04:27 <DocScrutinizer05> orly?
Jul 28 15:04:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm absolutely sure that wasn't Mr Stallman
Jul 28 15:05:01 <jon_y> RMS is too famous to show up in person :)
Jul 28 15:05:03 <DocScrutinizer05> that been a stupid troll
Jul 28 15:05:37 <zamm> yes so I suppose
Jul 28 15:05:53 <kerio> as opposed to RMS who's not stupid
Jul 28 15:06:07 <DocScrutinizer05> digitalocean-ic-306493-adm-b7.c.telia.net
Jul 28 15:06:20 <zamm> I would remove transition effects
Jul 28 15:06:24 <zamm> I would remove transition effects
Jul 28 15:06:25 <zamm> I would remove transition effects
Jul 28 15:06:26 <zamm> I would remove transition effects
Jul 28 15:06:28 <zamm> I would remove transition effects
Jul 28 15:06:33 <zamm> XD
Jul 28 15:06:39 <bencoh> spamming wont help
Jul 28 15:06:49 <zamm> alright
Jul 28 15:07:01 <kerio> zamm: make them short
Jul 28 15:07:02 <bencoh> I think there are some tutos out there about transitions.ini
Jul 28 15:07:17 <kerio> transitions are useful
Jul 28 15:07:26 <jon_y> I normally use turbo mode
Jul 28 15:07:31 <zamm> in /etc/transitions.ini?
Jul 28 15:07:41 <jon_y> the only thing I have to put up with is the red squares
Jul 28 15:07:58 <jon_y> my N900 is obviously Communist infused
Jul 28 15:08:03 <bencoh> :D
Jul 28 15:08:44 <zamm> made in china is the main cause I suppose
Jul 28 15:09:00 <jon_y> afaik the red squares is some sort of debug mode thing
Jul 28 15:10:04 <zamm> I ve transitioncontrol but it restores its values as I reboot
Jul 28 15:10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> if you wanna have fun with trolls, try ssh <whatever-login-name-you-think-of>@188.226.129.47
Jul 28 15:10:49 <zamm> dont intrigue me with your drugs
Jul 28 15:10:52 <jon_y> they actually have internet facing port 22 open?
Jul 28 15:11:17 <kerio> i have port 22 open
Jul 28 15:11:19 <zamm> thats maleficient
Jul 28 15:11:23 <kerio> hell, it's a *service*
Jul 28 15:11:38 <kerio> play acehack, nethack or robotfindskitten!
Jul 28 15:11:44 <jon_y> I just move it to a non-default port
Jul 28 15:11:52 <kerio> the only acehack public server
Jul 28 15:12:07 <kerio> and the only roguelike-ish game server with the latest robotfindskitten
Jul 28 15:12:16 <kerio> play now! ssh acehack@acehack.de
Jul 28 15:12:17 <DocScrutinizer05> jon_y: pretty sane standard procedure, yes
Jul 28 15:12:27 * kerio doesn't get any money from this
Jul 28 15:12:57 <jon_y> also, fail2ban is nice
Jul 28 15:13:28 <jon_y> I would do selinux too if I had all the time in the world
Jul 28 15:13:45 <jon_y> too hard to wrap my head around it
Jul 28 15:13:50 <zamm> you damn pushers
Jul 28 15:14:25 <kerio> we also have the best web terminal
Jul 28 15:15:02 <jon_y> web... terminal?
Jul 28 15:15:25 <jon_y> you mean netcat?
Jul 28 15:16:04 <kerio> nope
Jul 28 15:16:11 <kerio> https://acehack.de/wstty/
Jul 28 15:16:15 <kerio> works in modern browsers
Jul 28 15:16:36 <kerio> it's based on hterm, the library used by chromeos for the terminal
Jul 28 15:16:48 <jon_y> oh, it needs js
Jul 28 15:16:49 <kerio> it's... good
Jul 28 15:16:54 <kerio> ah, yes
Jul 28 15:17:05 <kerio> it's literally an empty page without javascript
Jul 28 15:17:33 <kerio> it also works in fennec 17, because n900 > iphone
Jul 28 15:17:48 <jon_y> cool, I'm watching a game
Jul 28 15:18:35 <jon_y> so when is Dorf Fortress adventurer mode coming? :) 
Jul 28 15:19:31 <kerio> jon_y: it's a beefy server
Jul 28 15:19:35 <kerio> but not that beefy
Jul 28 15:19:51 <jon_y> :)
Jul 28 15:21:01 <kerio> right now we have 22gb of free ram
Jul 28 15:25:15 <kerio> i'd ask for donations but i don't actually pay for it lol
Jul 28 15:25:52 <jon_y> just ask for it and start embezzling?
Jul 28 15:26:43 <jon_y> hmm, I'm reading too many president for life stories
Jul 28 15:27:13 <kerio> it's a friend's server
Jul 28 15:27:15 <kerio> i admin it
Jul 28 15:38:44 <bencoh> kerio: hterm doesnt work on iphone ?
Jul 28 15:38:56 <kerio> it works correctly
Jul 28 15:39:02 <kerio> but you have no way to use it
Jul 28 15:39:11 <bencoh> hmm how comes ?
Jul 28 15:39:12 <kerio> there's no way to summon the on-screen keyboard
Jul 28 15:39:17 <bencoh> bleh :D
Jul 28 15:39:18 <kerio> without a text field
Jul 28 15:41:47 <kerio> it would work, i assume
Jul 28 15:42:00 <kerio> safari on ios is good
Jul 28 15:42:31 <kerio> same as chrome for android
Jul 28 15:42:36 <kerio> or whatever it's called
Jul 28 16:42:24 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jul 28 16:42:33 <DocScrutinizer05> hw kbd FTW
Jul 28 17:11:44 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ plus some ACMEbot
Jul 28 17:13:00 <DocScrutinizer05> err ECHAN, sorry
Jul 28 20:51:34 <M4rtinK> so modRana just got batch tile download size estimation :)
Jul 28 20:52:02 <M4rtinK> I should have added it ages ago, it was so simple in the end :)
Jul 28 21:04:25 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: :) 
Jul 28 21:05:54 <sixwheeledbeast> re tracklogs I cannot reproduce the reported issue of not stopping a tracklog. However I did notice the stop button displays the banner "saving" even if the tracklog is off.
Jul 28 21:05:55 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: BTW, any feedback on the track logging fix ? :)
Jul 28 21:06:13 <M4rtinK> yeah, it should do that
Jul 28 21:06:17 <M4rtinK> for about 3 seconds
Jul 28 21:06:32 <M4rtinK> because if you leave it running for a couple of hours
Jul 28 21:06:53 <M4rtinK> there will be a multi-MB CSV file that needs to be converted to GPX
Jul 28 21:07:31 <M4rtinK> so while usually it is quite redundant, sometimes it is indeed "saving" for some time :)
Jul 28 21:07:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Well I tried to use the tracklog for the first time this weekend out on the motorbike. However the device became unresponsive by the time I got to the petrol station 5 minutes away.
Jul 28 21:08:00 <M4rtinK> weird
Jul 28 21:08:02 <sixwheeledbeast> Not tried again since.
Jul 28 21:08:36 <M4rtinK> I've use      
Jul 28 21:09:09 <sixwheeledbeast> Black screen with backlight on only modRana was open. I did get a SMS in that time so maybe that caused some weirdness?.
Jul 28 21:09:28 <M4rtinK> d modRana a bit on a field trip this Friday and it worked fine
Jul 28 21:10:07 <sixwheeledbeast> I plan to track my route up Snowdon in a few weeks.
Jul 28 21:10:29 <sixwheeledbeast> So when I walk or ride I am testing it out.
Jul 28 21:10:32 <M4rtinK> lets hope we can track it down before then :)
Jul 28 21:11:08 <M4rtinK> I think there are 3 most probable possible causes:
Jul 28 21:11:54 <M4rtinK> 1) memory leek - it is possible modRana is adding to some data structure somewhere and not removing from it
Jul 28 21:12:24 <M4rtinK> 2) modRana triggering some race or other bug in Cairo/GTK/X
Jul 28 21:13:02 <M4rtinK> (could b related to the SMS - might trigger a notification, which shows an overlay, etc.)
Jul 28 21:13:27 <M4rtinK> 3) that SGX driver bug resurfacing for some reason
Jul 28 21:14:34 <M4rtinK> so I think that black screen could be either the N900 swapping like hell and being unresponsive or X/GPU driver crashing
Jul 28 21:15:13 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: seemed like the SGX bug symptoms however I was away from a device I could SSH with.
Jul 28 21:16:00 <M4rtinK> I'm thinking some sort of script that logs top or free memory could be useful to track it down
Jul 28 21:16:59 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: could swap on uSD be a constant? Maybe reports are from people with uSD swaps?
Jul 28 21:17:13 <M4rtinK> as for potential countermeasures I'm thinking about introducing performance tuning settings
Jul 28 21:17:29 <M4rtinK> for the tile cache size, download thread counts, etc.
Jul 28 21:17:52 <M4rtinK> in hope that setting them to lower values it could be possible the work around the issue :)
Jul 28 21:18:19 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: for the record I'm using the stock partitioning on my N900
Jul 28 21:18:47 <M4rtinK> only bigger change is CSSU + Thumb + 900 MHz overclock (since like ever)
Jul 28 21:19:07 <M4rtinK> so yeah, I guess it could be influenced by it
Jul 28 21:19:32 <M4rtinK> like say io errors crashing the kernel :)
Jul 28 21:20:06 <M4rtinK> actually I wonder what happens if you kill the block device under an active swap :)
Jul 28 21:20:15 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: well it is popular to use uSD swaps now. no overclocking here.
Jul 28 21:20:54 <M4rtinK> well, could improve the eMMC lifetime I guess
Jul 28 21:21:04 <M4rtinK> I wonder about throughput though
Jul 28 21:21:22 <M4rtinK> uSD bandwidth generally sucks
Jul 28 21:21:49 <sixwheeledbeast> eMMC lifetime and workaround for swap defragmentation
Jul 28 21:22:01 <M4rtinK> oh, interesting :)
Jul 28 21:22:06 <sixwheeledbeast> ~flopswap
Jul 28 21:22:07 <infobot> well, flopswap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap
Jul 28 21:22:10 <sixwheeledbeast> ;)
Jul 28 21:22:54 <M4rtinK> BTW, what about compressed swap ? :)
Jul 28 21:23:33 <M4rtinK> using something like LZOo/LZ4/snappy could work
Jul 28 21:25:01 <M4rtinK> might also help with the limited bandwidth
Jul 28 21:25:45 <sixwheeledbeast> I dont believe there are any benefits, you have to uncompress it.
Jul 28 21:28:19 <M4rtinK> sure, bu the benefit is that only compressed data will go over the presumably slow uSD bus
Jul 28 21:28:58 <M4rtinK> all the compression would happen in RAM and LZO & co are _FAST_
Jul 28 21:30:12 <M4rtinK> but who knows, it might still be too much for the CPU of the N900 to provide any benefit
Jul 28 21:30:49 <M4rtinK> on the other hand we have had some good experience with zRAM (previously called compcache)
Jul 28 21:31:37 <M4rtinK> N9 is using it's predecessor and it is in mainline kernel since 3.10
Jul 28 21:32:22 <M4rtinK> it is basically a fixed size compressed block device residing in RAM you can use to setup swap
Jul 28 21:32:50 <M4rtinK> and it indeed seem to work quite nicely
Jul 28 21:34:47 <M4rtinK> we have enabled it on one of our virtualisation servers and the claim of the zRAM people that using it basically duplicates possible RAM usage before the real swap is hit seems to hold :)
Jul 28 21:35:46 <M4rtinK> oh, looks like it is in kernel power already: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76112 :)
Jul 28 21:40:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Well I believe Swappolube should be able to tune the I/O
Jul 28 21:44:22 <M4rtinK> BTW, provided the swap on uSD can be disabled
Jul 28 21:44:54 <M4rtinK> it might be good to try if you get more/less modRana freezes if it is ON or OFF
Jul 28 21:59:32 <fanf> 'lo ?
Jul 28 22:12:11 <sixwheeledbeast> well yes it can be disabled, I'll check that out.
Jul 28 22:21:16 <ShadowJK> The current day deent uSDs have better iops performance than 2008-2009 era emmc
Jul 28 22:21:30 <ShadowJK> Though of course, you can also buy worse performing cards.
Jul 28 22:23:53 <M4rtinK> new modRana is out! :D http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1434142&postcount=1619
Jul 28 22:48:08 <jooles> Hey all. Does anyone have a copy of the latest rx-48 firmware image? All the sites that had it seem to have gone down and my N810 won't boot anymore :C
Jul 28 22:48:45 <ShadowJK> did you take out battery for 5 minutes?
Jul 28 22:48:57 <jooles> not for 5 minutes
Jul 28 22:49:21 <jooles> even so, it's in a mess and could do with being re-flashed
Jul 28 22:50:02 <ShadowJK> rx-48, is that wimax model?
Jul 28 22:50:03 <jooles> I succumbed to temptation like I always do, some months back, and tried to build a new kernel for it which never ends well
Jul 28 22:50:05 <jooles> it is
Jul 28 22:50:13 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Jul 28 22:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tabletsdev
Jul 28 22:50:20 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
Jul 28 22:51:02 <jooles> in order, down, 404 and has no images
Jul 28 22:51:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~combined
Jul 28 22:51:43 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jul 28 22:51:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~emmc
Jul 28 22:51:59 <infobot> emmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Jul 28 22:52:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flasher
Jul 28 22:52:06 <infobot> somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jul 28 22:53:18 <jooles> DocScrutinizer05, Care to read what I wrote or not? I get that these questions get annoying but once all the sites went down I had no choice but to come and ask. I'm not an idiot but clearly you can't tell that RX-48 != RX-51
Jul 28 22:54:04 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks for your kind way to tell me that you didn't notice http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz
Jul 28 22:54:33 <jooles> right, the flasher I could find
Jul 28 22:54:41 <jooles> I'm looking for the firmware image
Jul 28 22:54:50 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Jul 28 22:54:53 <jooles> As I also said earlier. Also spamming links at me is kinda rude
Jul 28 22:55:16 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Jul 28 22:55:22 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck
Jul 28 22:57:59 <jooles> Well thanks anyway. Sorry everyone for causing so much spam.
Jul 28 22:58:18 <DocScrutinizer05> friendly guy
Jul 28 23:02:30 <bencoh> what the ... hmm.
Jul 28 23:06:26 <nox-> no n8xx firmware anymore?
Jul 28 23:17:43 <antranigv> Hay, I have N900, I changed the /bin/sh to /bin/bash in /etc/passwd file... I wanted to use Bash as default... so now I can't boot the device :( it's stuck at loading :( any help ??
Jul 28 23:20:10 <nox-> ~rescueos
Jul 28 23:20:11 <infobot> [rescueos] http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Jul 28 23:22:34 <antranigv> P.S. MicroUSB not working  :( ... I can fix it after I go back home (still outside of my country)
Jul 28 23:23:20 <nox-> ow
Jul 28 23:23:56 * nox- leaves you to DocScrutinizer05 maybe he has a better idea
Jul 28 23:24:54 <antranigv> Let's hope and wait :))
Jul 28 23:25:07 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no idea how to fix such sort of broken rootfs
Jul 28 23:25:45 <antranigv> DocScrutinizer05: is flashing a good idea ? I can get the USB port fix
Jul 28 23:26:17 <DocScrutinizer05> when you can fix the USB, then get rescueos and revert the passwd edit
Jul 28 23:27:27 <antranigv> DocScrutinizer05 , nox- thanks !
Jul 28 23:27:54 <DocScrutinizer05> nox-: how would I publish a torrent?
Jul 28 23:28:09 <DocScrutinizer05> noob here
Jul 28 23:30:55 <xes> http://www.btkitty.com/DcjJAQAgCAOwmcBSyjh47T-C5hnUNWOxIzmdvZc84MZ0QfilCJzxAA~S8ssyi1PLEotBgA.torrent.html
Jul 28 23:33:52 <nox-> DocScrutinizer05, i havent tried that yet either...
Jul 28 23:35:47 <nox-> oh xes found it it seems :)
Jul 28 23:37:53 <xes> anyway md5 must be checked
Jul 28 23:38:58 <nox-> *nod*
Jul 28 23:39:59 <bencoh> broken usb + broken fs abroad ? sounds terrible :/
Jul 28 23:40:07 <nox-> indeed
Jul 28 23:42:03 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I found this, and it doesn't work for me. but that's maybe because I'm behind a NAT anyway. And actually I asked how to *publish* a torrent/magnet
Jul 28 23:43:35 <nox-> downloading a torrent more or less needs portfowards yeah
Jul 28 23:43:47 <nox-> (if you're behind nat)
Jul 28 23:56:16 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I know. I have to admit I simply don't understand that crap (not port forwarding since that's easy - but that torrent client)
Jul 28 23:57:12 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems to miss any server it can coordinate with
Jul 28 23:57:50 <DocScrutinizer05> neither sends nor receives a single byte
Jul 28 23:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> search is more or less broken too
Jul 29 00:02:02 <dos1> there is no "server it can coordinate with" aside of trackers, but that's per torrent file (but DHT can be used instead anyway)
Jul 29 00:03:22 <dos1> generally you just create a .torrent file with a hash and some open tracker specified, then point your local client to it in a way so it treats your file as already downloaded, and then send .torrent file to someone else (or to some public index)
Jul 29 00:05:30 <dos1> (or magnet link can be used instead of .torrent file)
Jul 29 00:06:10 <DocScrutinizer05> no connection to any trackers here
Jul 29 00:06:29 <dos1> http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Creating_a_torrent
Jul 29 00:07:18 <dos1> trackers are per-file, so if you don't have any torrents down/uploading then that's expected :P
Jul 29 00:07:44 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHAHA!!!  >>You must add at least one tracker: type or paste in the URL: http://linuxtracker.org:2710/announce and click the add button.<<
Jul 29 00:08:13 <DocScrutinizer05> suuure, I know this by heart, and thus the shitty ktorrent doesn't even suggest it
Jul 29 00:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> and the magnet seems to linger there like it does nothing at all
Jul 29 00:09:11 <dos1> dunno what you want to seed - if it's not some 100% legal linux iso, then something like http://openbittorrent.com/ will probably be a better choice :P
Jul 29 00:09:39 <DocScrutinizer05> probably best choice is to forget about that torrent shit
Jul 29 00:10:17 <nox-> torrents are faster for some people
Jul 29 00:10:48 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, I don't care
Jul 29 00:10:54 <nox-> :)
Jul 29 00:11:07 <TheOnlyJoey|desk> i normally download torrent with the speed of my internet connection, 50mbit as we speak
Jul 29 00:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not like it gives me headache to NOT share some of the stuff I have here
Jul 29 00:11:32 <dos1> it all depends
Jul 29 00:11:34 <DocScrutinizer05> this ktorrent client however for sure gives me headache
Jul 29 00:11:59 <TheOnlyJoey|desk> DocScrutinizer05, try Transmission, has served me well for years :)
Jul 29 00:12:41 <dos1> ktorrent is a pretty good client imo - you would probably have similar problems with any client
Jul 29 00:13:00 <dos1> unless it has some "friendly" trackers etc. so it autoprefills this stuff for you ;)
Jul 29 00:13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, so much for wasted time with torrents
Jul 29 00:15:09 <dos1> anyway, that mepis wiki page has it described pretty well
Jul 29 00:18:41 <nox-> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:49f11696a576b26adc8254216728484b268554e3&dn=firmwares
Jul 29 00:18:48 <nox-> doesnt seem to work at least in rtorrent
Jul 29 00:19:08 <nox-> (from xes' link)
Jul 29 00:23:41 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Jul 29 00:24:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and http://openbittorrent.com/  reports "Error: invalid data from tracker"
Jul 29 00:32:22 <nox-> theres a thunder:// link too which seems to belong to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_Download
Jul 29 00:32:37 <nox-> "Although not widely reported, Xunlei client has been discovered spreading the malware Win32/KanKan to thousands of Chinese Windows PCs and Android devices.[5] In 2013 the company admitted its employees bundled malware into Xunlei client.[6]"
Jul 29 00:32:38 <nox-> uh
Jul 29 00:32:47 <hurrian_> such a surprise
Jul 29 00:35:31 <jon_y> isn't xunlei also one of those exploiting torrent clients?
Jul 29 00:35:46 <jon_y> uh, selfish client
Jul 29 00:35:46 * nox- wouldnt know
Jul 29 00:36:09 <jon_y> last I read, it was banned from private trackers
Jul 29 00:36:51 <nox-> well if it spreads malware who wants to use it anyway...
Jul 29 00:37:51 <jon_y> lusers want to, for faster speeeeed
Jul 29 00:39:09 <nox-> any idea whats wrong with that magnet link?  or is it just the tracker being down?
Jul 29 00:40:11 <jon_y> I think its just the tracker since you got the torrent already
Jul 29 00:44:10 <nox-> there doesnt even seem to be a .torrent to download
Jul 29 00:44:14 <hurrian_> man, and people wonder why nobody outside of china wants to use that crap
Jul 29 01:48:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I gave up on torrent, that's silly. When you need sth, just ask me
Jul 29 01:48:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I got an amazingly huge backup folder here
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